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Post Post #22 (isolation #0) » Thu Feb 13, 2014 2:13 am

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Vote Shos


My Role PM says that this will help my win condition
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Post Post #24 (isolation #1) » Thu Feb 13, 2014 2:16 am

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My role PM says I'm not supposed to answer that question
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Post Post #27 (isolation #2) » Thu Feb 13, 2014 2:57 am

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Actually probably the mechanic is something stupid like "the people we vote for the most are the scumteam."

We've got two votes down. Someone put down a third vote on someone and see if the mod sends out role PMs
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Post Post #28 (isolation #3) » Thu Feb 13, 2014 2:57 am

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Well, Antihero is actually not a bad place for a vote.

Vote: Antihero
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Post Post #39 (isolation #4) » Thu Feb 13, 2014 5:15 am

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In post 37, MTD wrote:
In post 36, Dessew wrote:He said we would get our role PMs in 12 hours, right?
Did he? I don't see it anywhere...
It's in the PM I got. Did you get a different one?
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Post Post #53 (isolation #5) » Thu Feb 13, 2014 8:21 am

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Would the theory help us find scum?

If yes, then share it. If you think that it's just a theory of how the detectives work and shit, can it. We could have 10 pages of theory discussion that wouldn't do a damn thing to help us find mafia. For the record, I think it would be pretty bullshit if the Police were anti-town. They might have to do something like "find a mafia member to win" . It's probably antihero testing if outside observers really can get good scumreads. BUT THIS IS TOTALLY IRRELEVANT :P
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Post Post #54 (isolation #6) » Thu Feb 13, 2014 8:22 am

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Straw Poll: Does anyone think that any activity during the 'no role PM' time helped determine the scumteam? Or was it just for the police? Windblown got to talk during that time, so...
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Post Post #58 (isolation #7) » Thu Feb 13, 2014 8:49 am

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In post 57, Nobody Special wrote:I'm scared.

Hold me.
Do you still cave like flimsy cardboard if someone looks at you when you're scum?
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Post Post #66 (isolation #8) » Thu Feb 13, 2014 9:17 am

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100% Town. I don't think this is a "U Pick" though. Or if it is, I'd certainly have liked to have been told about it.

PEdit: Serial killer is pretty hot.
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Post Post #68 (isolation #9) » Thu Feb 13, 2014 9:18 am

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You think so?

I'm not entirely sold on that one.
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Post Post #88 (isolation #10) » Thu Feb 13, 2014 10:47 am

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I think Kovara just achieved it.

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Post Post #110 (isolation #11) » Fri Feb 14, 2014 2:53 am

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In post 109, zMuffinMan wrote:
Vote: Empking
At this stage?

Vote: zMuffinMan
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Post Post #111 (isolation #12) » Fri Feb 14, 2014 2:54 am

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In post 92, Nobody Special wrote:Prod dodge.
Although posting this less than 24 hours since you last posted is pretty awful...
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Post Post #123 (isolation #13) » Fri Feb 14, 2014 7:45 am

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Given my history with NS and post restrictions (Cthulufish mafia or whatever that abomination was) I'm just autolynching him if he claims one. Literally no one else in this game has one, unless someone didn't feel like fucking sharing.
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Post Post #130 (isolation #14) » Fri Feb 14, 2014 10:35 am

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In post 125, Lady Lambdadelta wrote:
Vote: Muffin
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Post Post #146 (isolation #15) » Sat Feb 15, 2014 6:13 am

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Oh my gawd

I really do suck!

Wait... no, I don't.

Dessew, why are you not voting for muffin?
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Post Post #160 (isolation #16) » Sat Feb 15, 2014 2:15 pm

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In post 147, zMuffinMan wrote:
lld wrote:This guy is supposed to be good at scum? Please.
you probably wouldn't be reading me as scum if i actually were scum
This is like

The actual literal definition of WIFOM

The actual literal definition

"I only play shitty and scummy if I'm town!"

Can we just lynch this motherfucker?
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Post Post #161 (isolation #17) » Sat Feb 15, 2014 2:18 pm

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In post 149, Dessew wrote:Because I'm slow, I guess, and thus I don't really get why there's a wagon on Muffin. Feel free to explain it.
Dessaw, read the above post. Seriously. That's what he calls content. Oh, and voting for the moderator. And whining that I'm scum and LLD is a bad player, because that must be why we have a scum read on him!

He's just blatantly attacking everyone voting for him, and trolling. Fucking lynch players doing that, Dessaw. That's how you nail scum.

Everyone should explain in their next post why they're not voting Muffin.
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Post Post #164 (isolation #18) » Sat Feb 15, 2014 2:37 pm

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In post 163, MTD wrote:If I was voting Muffin right now, that would be for a policy lynch and I don't do policy lynches.
...

You are voting for Muffin right now.

The fuck is this?

I mean the fuck is this?
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Post Post #174 (isolation #19) » Sat Feb 15, 2014 8:38 pm

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In post 168, zMuffinMan wrote:that's actually not what i was saying at all - as it is, nothing i've done is "shitty" or "scummy"

i put a vote down on empking late night before i went to sleep without having read the thread. you voted me for it and you're harping on about it being scummy. so tell me what you think the scum motivation for doing that is
Seriously

You want the scum motivation for avoiding anything happening in the town, and voting nonplayers who cannot be offended or lynch you

Avoid taking stances

And otherwise do nothing to make any waves?

In post 169, zMuffinMan wrote:if only i could learn to produce something on your level, i'd be obvtown, right?

i should take notes
Just vote zMuffinMan

It's what town does

You can be obvious town too!
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Post Post #180 (isolation #20) » Sun Feb 16, 2014 3:37 am

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In post 175, zMuffinMan wrote: first, if you think this is scummy, then why are you solely attacking me for it? why not question, say, privatei or NS for what they've done so far? or pressure them in any way for the manner in which they've approached the game so far?
Why me = fry me

"Waaah it's not fair you aren't going after these other people, waaaah it's not fair you want to lynch me, I know all these other people are playing much worse, you're lynching me for totally the wrong reasons! You didn't have a real scumread on me, you just got lucky with your 'tunneling' waaaaaahhhhh"

Bitch about it in the deadthread, scum
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Post Post #192 (isolation #21) » Sun Feb 16, 2014 10:25 pm

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In post 183, zMuffinMan wrote: Shit I can't get Grey distracted by people like NS who always play scummy. Fuck, he can read me too well.

I know, I'll try and pretend that he's tunneling, because he's got like 5 or 6 votes he could be using and is only focusing on me. That'll sound pro-town! I know, I'll totally lie like the stinking little weasel I am and pretend my actions were pro-town! It'll be like "oh, little townies, I was doing it all for you! It totally wasn't what it looked like, no it was not!"
Gamr, fucking vote for this waste of oxygen.

@Dessew: What's the point of waiting when you've got caught scum? So we can sit around for 10 days admiring ourselves in the mirror?
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Post Post #194 (isolation #22) » Sun Feb 16, 2014 10:27 pm

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You worthless little shitweasel, I'm going to rip your guts out of your scummy little stomach and spread them around the town.

I'm glad you've rallied your scumteam, but they're not gonna save your worthless slimy ass.
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Post Post #195 (isolation #23) » Sun Feb 16, 2014 10:28 pm

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In post 189, dopog wrote:Yeah whatever having trouble reading zmuffs because people when defending themselves will say whatever junk they think.
Oh yeah, like, don't think I don't notice this shit muffin.

They're making apologies for you.

It's pretty sad, Muffin.
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Post Post #196 (isolation #24) » Sun Feb 16, 2014 10:29 pm

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Like dopog thinks you need his help to be seen as more townie. That's how bad at this you are.

Dopog, you get bonus townie points for bussing at this juncture.
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Post Post #199 (isolation #25) » Sun Feb 16, 2014 10:37 pm

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Fine. You want some fucking theory discussion?

Lets do some fucking theory discussion, you dumb motherfucker. Every. Single. Scummy. Thing. Town. Does. Period! Everything! Townies do everything scum do. So yes, you can take any scum behavior AT ALL and find a game where a townie has done something similar. Including faking cop guilties.

Scummy things are a reason to pressure people. What's your response to pressure?

First you went for OMGUS. Then you cried and whined that we were voting for you. Then you started trying to feed me industrial grade WIFOM about how the other townies were doing it too. Then you lied and accused me of tunneling and pretended that it was BAD FUCKING PLAY TO LYNCH SCUM. And now you're trying to pretend your play is logical. And finally you're trying to tell me how to be a better townie WHILE FUCKING VOTING FOR ME. YOU THINK TOWN DOES THAT?!? FUCK NO

THERE YOU GO MUFFIN

TODAY YOU LEARNED TWO THINGS ABOUT MAFIA

NUMBER 1:
HOW TO FIND SCUM

NUMBER 2:
YOUR SCUMTEAM IS GONNA BE DOWN A MEMBER.

Town, it's fucking time. Vote Muffin. Seriously, look at this shit.


Pedit: Gamr fucking vote for this scumbag.
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Post Post #201 (isolation #26) » Sun Feb 16, 2014 10:42 pm

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Rev that chainsaw MTD. Rev it hard.
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Post Post #202 (isolation #27) » Sun Feb 16, 2014 10:43 pm

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Say, out of curiosity, where does this grand conviction that Muffin is town come from, oh he who does not know where his vote is?
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Post Post #204 (isolation #28) » Sun Feb 16, 2014 10:52 pm

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In post 203, MTD wrote:
In post 202, GreyICE wrote:Say, out of curiosity, where does this grand conviction that Muffin is town come from, oh he who does not know where his vote is?
It doesn't exist except that I don't think a wagon on scum would form like this (without anything scummy, really)
So let me see if I'm filtering this correctly. You don't have any town read on Muffin at all. You're saying he's at best neutral. You don't have enough information to get a read.

Yet you are aggressively attacking my interactions with him, trying to shut them down, something which should be actively
preventing
you from getting a read.

And you say he has done nothing scummy? Perchance, what do you consider scummy, MTD? You even agreed he wasn't contributing much.
In post 163, MTD wrote:
In post 161, GreyICE wrote: Everyone should explain in their next post why they're not voting Muffin.
Agreed, he isn't contributing much.
Yet now he's done nothing scummy?

I am very confused as to what you would consider scummy, MTD. Do bother to enlighten us.
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Post Post #208 (isolation #29) » Sun Feb 16, 2014 11:25 pm

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In post 207, zMuffinMan wrote:hm

it just occurred to me that greyice could be a lyncher who's deliberately misrepresenting everything i'm saying
Okay, this is one of my personal favorite scum tells here. Gather around, townies, because it's a good one. And it is probably the most accurate outside of maybe Amshed's tell - when someone, in the absence of any evidence that alternative alignments exist, starts speculating that another player is non-mafia scum,
THEY ARE MAFIA
.

Always. What happens, boys and girls, is that the scum want to scumhunt. It's so very very hard to fake scumhunting. So a bit of honesty leeches into their play. They speculate the person is scum - but
non-mafia
scum. Because the little bit of honesty is that muffin knows for a fact that I am not mafia - I am not in his quicktopic.cut

Oh muffin. You're not immune. Put enough pressure on, and the scumslip comes sliding out. Plain as day.

Wrapped with a bow. I'll put a final case on this tomorrow and end this thing. So very cute :lol:
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Post Post #213 (isolation #30) » Mon Feb 17, 2014 4:57 am

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In post 210, zMuffinMan wrote:
greyice wrote:when someone, in the absence of any evidence that alternative alignments exist, starts speculating that another player is non-mafia scum, THEY ARE MAFIA
nope

i'm just considering different alternatives that would explain why you're so gung ho about lynching me and why you keep misrepresenting everything i say, to the point of probably being deliberate.

i never lied, i never "distracted", my vote on you isn't for omgus reasons, and you are tunneling me while ignoring everything else (and to some extent i'm also guilty of this, but that's mostly because of how the game is playing out and i'm still responding to other people's questions about the game)

so i'm trying to understand why you have such a huge hard on for me. don't get me wrong, i'm flattered, but i don't swing that way.

so let's play a game, greyice. a thought experiment. a completely hypothetical universe exists where i'm actually town (i know, i know, you're thinking this universe existing is impossible, but play along for argument's sake, please) and it's a double day. you get me lynched - where do you go from there? you've done nothing outside of tunnel on me and call me scum, and your case on me is, to put it in the nicest possible terms, a steaming pile of shit that i'd laugh at if i didn't think you seriously thought you had a case.

you're not scum hunting (no matter how much you claim you are - and yes, i am fully aware i am also somewhat guilty of this) and your sole contribution to the game is pushing a lynch on a town player.
Well lets see. I'll play along, if nothing else because your response will be interesting.

The Kovara wagon is such obvious bullshit that I'm quite happy that it's your counterwagon.

Kovara - 4 (Garmr, Dessew, shos, MTD)


At least two of those players are scum, in my estimation, and I'd actually literally eat my hat on youtube if that's an all town wagon. I'd bet MTD and Dessew, based on their content.

Assuming you're town, then I honestly think that I'd be tempted to look at the lurkers. This post is kinda shit, literally saying "oh I'm demotivated because one person finds me scummy" is like... really...


Now lets continue the thought experiment. First, do the same for me with a fun analysis assuming I'm town.

Now explain what would be the point of the following sequence:
In post 44, Antihero wrote:
Also, note that I edited in the Rules/Setup Stuff into the first page.
Please read these.
In post 48, Antihero wrote:
In post 47, MTD wrote:Can the detectives be lynched/nightkilled? After all, they aren't town, and we don't really know if they play against town...
No, the detectives cannot be lynched or nightkilled.
In post 109, zMuffinMan wrote:
Vote: Empking
44, 48... 109.

If you're testing a theory about the police... where was this theory aired? It wasn't in the game thread, because the game thread already had a very, very, very clear answer.

So where exactly was this theory brewed up? And what was it?
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Post Post #216 (isolation #31) » Mon Feb 17, 2014 6:13 am

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In post 214, zMuffinMan wrote:
greyice wrote:At least two of those players are scum, in my estimation, and I'd actually literally eat my hat on youtube if that's an all town wagon. I'd bet MTD and Dessew, based on their content
you think there's one or no scum among the players on my wagon?
I think your wagon is all town. This might be flavored by the fact I think you're scum, but I believe LLD wants you dead for the exact same reasons I do, and NS is clearly applying pressure to people he wants to apply pressure to (same with Shos).
what do you make of mtd unvoting kovara and voting you?
MTD's play is frankly bizarre, such as his defense of you while voting you, and that amazing sequence above.

If you're town, I'd be a hell of a lot more suspicious, because "I don't have an actual town read on muffin, but you're playing really scummy" seems designed to make us both look worse. OTOH I don't see him defending you quite like this if you were scumbuddies, he seems a bit skittish.
greyice wrote:First, do the same for me with a fun analysis assuming I'm town.
if you are town, i'd look at LLD or NS before i looked at anyone else. i don't believe scum are completely avoiding my wagon (i guess it's *possible* scum are among the players keeping their options open and calling my responses bad buttttt i dunno if they'd just sit back and watch here rather than jump on me) and nothing either of them has done so far strikes me as particularly town

as for the kovara wagon (i'm guessing the wagon you pulled up there is from earlier in the game because shos has been part of my wagon for a while now - or he's a double voter, i dunno) i agree it's likely dessew or mtd is scum; more inclined to think dessew than mtd, but i haven't seen much from either that looks town

i don't have any reads that are anywhere near solid yet, though
LLD? I do admit I want that one explained. NS... seriously.

Are we gonna play 'kick NS again'

'cause I've done it and it's fun but it's not really anything other than a cheap way to mislynch NS.

And I don't get a scum vibe from him here so I'd like to know why.
greyice wrote:Now explain what would be the point of the following sequence
i hadn't read the thread (see my response to dopog in ) but even if i had i probably would have voted empking to test it because bastard mod, etc

i don't think an admitted bastard mod declaring that X can't be lynched is a "very, very clear answer"

as is, i think there's a possibility votes are secretly counted for the detectives but not registered in the votecounts, but i don't see much good in testing that at the moment, so i'm not

i also have a theory that one detective could be scum and one could be town and they're like treestumps buttttt again, i don't see much good in pursuing this line of thought at the moment, so i'm not
See I have a theory too

I have a theory that the scum don't know jack shit about the police, because this game is named "Paranoia". And the scum knowing everything about how the police work is the OPPOSITE of paranoia.

But Police = Cop = Scary. Can the Police determine alignment? Is there someone in the game thread who knows what they know? Oooh. Man I really want to know how they work.

Like Kovara did a little granted but Kovara is an open book. It's a bit of a coloring book, but like he's absolutely fascinated. "Oooh there's this toy! And that toy! How do they work! I want to try things!"

You just saw "Police" and wanted to test them. Figure out how they tick. See if we can eliminate the police. Make us not trust them because maybe the mod is lying to us (I really don't think the mechanic is Antihero is lying to us about everything, and if it is I don't really care because that isn't Paranoia, that's just stupid).

See you say you wouldn't hunt for "other scum" as scum, but I see you doing it twice and I get a little suspicious. So tell me Muffin, if you saw that there was a police faction, a group of COPS as scum, what would you do?
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Post Post #230 (isolation #32) » Mon Feb 17, 2014 7:39 am

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In post 228, shos wrote:post 208 is plain wrong.
Grey, gimme a link to where this 'tell' served you well, please.

for example, I now kinda think that you are a third party jester. that is precisely the tell that you said only mafia do. and you..you fit to TWO possible third parties by now - a lyncher for Muffin, and a jester; I don't see how you're going up town and muffin's scum.
Are you serious

Subject: Mini 1156 - Game over!
Pine wrote:I'm going to go out on a huge limb here...

UNVOTE: Silavor
VOTE: GreyMarble

Haven't felt it prior to that post, but I got a massive Serial Killer vibe from it. I'm having a hard time putting my finger on it, but I think it's where he implied that if Ion were NKed, that would conclusively prove that the killer was a Vig, despite the fact that games with multiple one-shot vigs aren't especially rare.

I'm well aware that I'm
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leaping to a conclusion, but I'm learning to just go with my gut when it yells at me.

Right here.

See that post?

That post right there got pine killed.

[url=http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 4#p3030054]
Pine was lynched
He was a [/color]
Mafia Rolecop
[/i][/quote]

See that tell Shos?

It's a damn good one.

Now tell me Shos, why would Muffin do that? Why would he all of a sudden start speculating about lynchers?
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Post Post #232 (isolation #33) » Mon Feb 17, 2014 7:57 am

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In post 231, zMuffinMan wrote:i explained why i speculated about the possibility you're a lyncher. i don't think i can make it much clearer than i did in
... This post?
In post 218, zMuffinMan wrote:the reason i'm considering all options for players that i think might have an anti-town win con is because that would necessarily conflict with my own.

i thought you could be a lyncher because your argument on me looked like you were deliberately misrepresenting everything i was saying <- i'm not sure if you'd do this as factional scum, it's risky because of the backlash you'll receive if you do manage to lynch me. lyncher makes sense for that reason. or you could just be really cocky and think you can talk your way out of any trouble you get into for pushing my lynch through on a really shitty basis.
"Oh my, the anti-town win conditions that all conflict with my own, yup yup."

Hey muffin. I've got a really easy explanation of why I want to lynch you.
I THINK YOU'RE SCUM.


You're the one trying to invent third party factions I could be a part of.
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Post Post #241 (isolation #34) » Mon Feb 17, 2014 6:27 pm

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In post 240, shos wrote:that amkes more sense.

I have yet to see just one single reason to think that muffin is scum.
@Grey: why would muffin say that? because you seem to be dead-streaight-up wanting to lynch him with no reason at all. makes sense.
Hey shos, did you read the game I linked you to?
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Post Post #243 (isolation #35) » Mon Feb 17, 2014 6:39 pm

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I'm talking to shos, Muffin.

Why do you feel such a need to answer for him?
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Post Post #250 (isolation #36) » Tue Feb 18, 2014 2:23 am

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In post 245, shos wrote:
In post 228, shos wrote: for example, I now kinda think that you are a third party jester. that is precisely the tell that you said only mafia do. and you..you fit to TWO possible third parties by now - a lyncher for Muffin, and a jester; I don't see how you're going up town and muffin's scum.
Also..
Yay you just did the same thing and I think you're town. Congratulations, have a cookie.

No, but seriously Shos, I can bullet point this:
At what point do you look at that and say "town" shos? And more to the point, how the FUCK are you looking at that and saying I have no reason to vote for him? I mean what the fuck, Shos?

I gave you the game you wanted, right there. If you were just going to ignore it, then why the FUCK did you ask for it in the first place?
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Post Post #253 (isolation #37) » Tue Feb 18, 2014 6:29 am

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In post 252, zMuffinMan wrote:i didn't answer for him, i asked you a question

that you didn't answer
Another lie, muffin, you were clearly trying to interrupt my conversation with shos. You know it, I know it, I know you know it.

But if you want to know why you're scum, Antihero sent you a role PM that told you you have to kill all the townies off to win, or something along those lines. No magic involved. There you go, I answered your question of why you are scum.
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Post Post #257 (isolation #38) » Tue Feb 18, 2014 6:36 am

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What's your read on Shos, muffin?
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Post Post #262 (isolation #39) » Tue Feb 18, 2014 6:59 am

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...

Fuck the police.
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Post Post #264 (isolation #40) » Tue Feb 18, 2014 7:01 am

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EMPKing, you're interrogating town you brain-dead buffoon
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Post Post #268 (isolation #41) » Tue Feb 18, 2014 7:12 am

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Muffin, I'm extremely tired of your claims that I am misrepresenting you. I linked to the posts in question. Anyone in this game can click those links, follow my train of thought, see what I'm thinking and how I'm voting, and draw their own conclusion.

As for the rest, can you just add a boilerplate to the bottom of your posts that says

Muffin Boilerplate"GreyICE is a terrible player! He has no points on me at all! He's either scum trying to mislynch me or a lyncher or so bad at town that it's unbelievable. GreyICE is the worst player on MafiaScum! All of his points are wrong and false and don't follow any links he gives you! He hasn't answered any of my latest question spam so assume there's 5 or 6 rhetorical questions that won't tell me anything useful in this post! My vote wasn't OMGUS it was because I didn't think your vote on me was trying to find scum and your scumhunting was terrible (because it found me, obviously terrible)! Also you shouldn't try to talk to other players and you're lying and misrepresenting me and stuff!"


It would save us both some time. You can even remove the capital letters if that makes you feel better.

PEdit: Until proven otherwise I'm going to assume the faction named "Police" are on my side, or at least trying to catch Mafia, especially since I can't lynch them or talk to them.
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Post Post #270 (isolation #42) » Tue Feb 18, 2014 7:13 am

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Hi guyett! Thanks for replacing NS.

Have you had a chance to read the game yet?
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Post Post #277 (isolation #43) » Tue Feb 18, 2014 7:29 am

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In post 274, Guyett wrote:explain the case on muffin pls
More or less in summary:

1) He started the game late and voting for someone who isn't a player and can't be voted for.
2) When put under pressure he reacted by throwing a temper tantrum and ranting at us that we were literally the worst players in the world because we thought he was scummy.
3) When he actually decided to push the case on me that I'm scum (rather than throwing a fit and complaining about how bad we were for voting him) he did it assuming that I'm a THIRD PARTY LYNCHER, not mafia.
4) Frankly he's probably spent more time lecturing us that the Police are anti-town and searching for lurkers than he has actually scumhunting.

I'm sure there will shortly be a post telling you that I have no case, that I'm misrepresenting everything he's said, that I'm a liar, that I'm a terrible player and that even if I'm town I'm so bad you shouldn't feel bad if you mislynch me, you can check any of the past bunch of pages for the general details on how that will look.

That help?
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Post Post #282 (isolation #44) » Tue Feb 18, 2014 7:37 am

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I just want to point out that once again I wish to talk to a player and get their opinion on things, and once again Muffin is here to save the day, attacking me with the same shitty boilerplate.

Muffin, I am serious. Go fuck yourself with a chainsaw.
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Post Post #287 (isolation #45) » Tue Feb 18, 2014 7:59 am

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Because the sheer level of noise that you create in this town has stopped ANYTHING from happening.

Seriously, there are SEVEN FUCKING POSTS from you on this page. SEVEN FUCKING POSTS. WE'RE LIKE NINE POSTS INTO THE FUCKING PAGE.

And all you do is attack me. Insult me. Yell at me. Fucking complain that I'm misrepresenting you. Shit at me at EVERY FUCKING TURN. You try and steer the conversation in some way that suits YOUR ends, not fucking letting me get a read on people and interact. You think I have a read on NS? CHRISTFUCK NO. If you pointed a gun at my head I'd say town, but it's not strong by any stretch of the imagination, and here comes muffin, to fucking tell the new guy how to talk to me. AND IT'S ALL THE SAME SHIT. EVERY FUCKING POST, THE SAME EXACT SHIT

YOU WANT SOME FUCKING EXAMPLES SCUMBAG?

#164 I start talking to MTD. #168, there's muffin to fucking attack me and spam shit and try and stop me getting any reads. I don't like MTD's posts, but I've had ZERO chance to get any decent interaction with him because of PAGES OF BULLSHIT. Shos? PAGES OF BULLSHIT. Fucking new guy replacing Nobody Special (and NS replacing out is more than a bit of a scumtell, he doesn't like playing scum)? PAGES OF BULLSHIT.

The ONLY thing I see on your mind is your own lynch, and how you can throw more shit at me to try and get out of it. It is the most important thing in the entire world to you. And that ain't town.

PEDIT: ANOTHER FUCKING MUFFIN MAN POST

DIEDIEIIEIDIIEDIIEIEIDIEIIDIEIDIIEIDIEIDIIEDIIEIDIIEIDIE
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Post Post #291 (isolation #46) » Tue Feb 18, 2014 8:06 am

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In post 289, MTD wrote:WTF? In 164 you "start" talking to me, I answer in my next post, you
never talk to me again
. How is that muffin's fault?
Also It is just stupid to attack muffin for making noise, when basically all he has done is answer to you.
Because the next few pages are nothing but MUFFIN BULLSHIT.

As for him answering me

Actually

I'm curious

MTD, why don't you summarize all of his answers to me. Do tell me how many original answers he comes up with.
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Post Post #329 (isolation #47) » Tue Feb 18, 2014 4:19 pm

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In post 221, Lady Lambdadelta wrote:what do you think you accomplish with your posts above? you're arguing with someone who thinks you're scum and will almost certainly not change his mind. You're not stupid enough to not realize this.

So the only real intent you can have in making this drawn out bullets for bullets/points for points argument with him is to frustrate outside readers and create apathy towards you and he, so that people fall off your lynch wagon. Very common scum strategy, but very obvious.

Besides, you also stooped to asking "why me" which is death anyway, so.
Thank you love. This summarized it with about 900% less anger than I was feeling.
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Post Post #338 (isolation #48) » Wed Feb 19, 2014 2:32 am

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In post 337, MTD wrote:Ok, as I do this, you do me a favor and summarize your original arguments for him being scum k?
I summarized it for Shos.

Guyett replaces in. I summarize it for Guyett.

Now you want a summary. I mean why? Go find one of the other summaries. Use LLD's summary, she hit the key points. There's literally no point to another summary.

What is the point of asking for a summary, MTD?
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Post Post #340 (isolation #49) » Wed Feb 19, 2014 3:10 am

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No, MTD. You've made it brutally clear you will consider nothing I've said. Despite stating you have no town read on Muffin, you have shown up here for two purposes. One is to dump a useless vote on Kovara when I pointed out you were voting Muffin despite defending him. The other is to brutally attack me, and me alone, every time the Muffin wagon seems to move forward.

You can't even answer simple, basic questions. All you do is reiterate that you need a summary, and scumplain about how shitty the case is. Given your inability to answer simple, basic questions, or even give a good summary of why you believe Muffin is town, I have less than zero desire to interact with you.

If you can't even pretend to be reading what I'm writing and achieve the minimum level of human interaction I'd expect out of a potato, fuck off.
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Post Post #344 (isolation #50) » Wed Feb 19, 2014 3:35 am

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In post 342, MTD wrote:I am not gonna answer to this, everyone with a brain can see this is stupid, at least if they have read the thread.
My vote will stay on you., now to talk to the rest.
Good for you. I appreciate a small bit of honesty out of you for once. It's rather refreshing.
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Post Post #348 (isolation #51) » Wed Feb 19, 2014 4:04 am

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In post 347, Guyett wrote:read the thread

VOTE: greyice

is terrible
*blink*

The hell?

That's right before you voted for muffin in the first place.
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Post Post #350 (isolation #52) » Wed Feb 19, 2014 4:06 am

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In post 296, Guyett wrote:Oh I'm voting muffin already... cool
You posted this in response to my case. I don't think that's anything other than an intent to vote muffin here.
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Post Post #353 (isolation #53) » Wed Feb 19, 2014 4:12 am

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But now that you've read the thread, what's your thoughts on MTD and Dessew?

PEdit: Interesting response.
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Post Post #354 (isolation #54) » Wed Feb 19, 2014 4:12 am

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In post 351, Guyett wrote:I wanted to lol hammer him to give myself time to read... then I remembered the last time I lol hammered and he was very pissed off with me for doing it.

That wasn't in response to your case, I hadn't read it at all.
Out of curiosity, what do you dislike about the logic?
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Post Post #356 (isolation #55) » Wed Feb 19, 2014 4:33 am

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Guyett:

1) On page 5, that's a perfectly good reason to vote for someone. And that's where this had all started. If Muffin had simply said "I wanted to test it" and proceeded to act ANYTHING like a townie, then fine. Early game votes are early game votes. Instead that's where he started to cave. Note all he's ever said about it is "I hadn't read the thread and even if I had I wouldn't have trusted the mod."

Doesn't that strike you as a little overdefensive? Explaining how it was a good move when really it wasn't? Why not just say "I didn't read thread, oops"? And that's what characterizes his play. A hell of a lot of defense.

2) Which is cute, but I'd expect you'd do something else. Look, you've been in the game what, a day, and you're already interested in Dessew? You're curious about other players? You're trying to figure things out. If I voted you for shitty reasons I'd expect you'd get mad, and even vote me, but I'd also expect that you'd keep looking around at things.

3) Right here, this is the link. If you're curious as to why I consider that a scumtell, I explained it in this post.

Subject: Mini 1156 - Game over!
Pine wrote:I'm going to go out on a huge limb here...

UNVOTE: Silavor
VOTE: GreyMarble

Haven't felt it prior to that post, but I got a massive Serial Killer vibe from it. I'm having a hard time putting my finger on it, but I think it's where he implied that if Ion were NKed, that would conclusively prove that the killer was a Vig, despite the fact that games with multiple one-shot vigs aren't especially rare.

I'm well aware that I'm
jumping
leaping to a conclusion, but I'm learning to just go with my gut when it yells at me.
(GreyMarble is a hydra of me and Llamarble)

Note that he starts speculating about third parties.
Pine was lynched
He was a
Mafia Rolecop
As for number 4, please bear with me, but it's a little long. AND HELLA FUCKING CONFUSING

Spoiler:
In post 175, zMuffinMan wrote:third, you're taking one post i made without having read the thread (my vote on empking) and making a big deal out of it for reasons that don't make a lot of sense and i don't think you're bad enough to really believe i'm scum because of it. and this is why you're scum.
In post 214, zMuffinMan wrote:i don't think an admitted bastard mod declaring that X can't be lynched is a "very, very clear answer"

as is, i think there's a possibility votes are secretly counted for the detectives but not registered in the votecounts, but i don't see much good in testing that at the moment, so i'm not

i also have a theory that one detective could be scum and one could be town and they're like treestumps buttttt again, i don't see much good in pursuing this line of thought at the moment, so i'm not
In post 217, zMuffinMan wrote: i wouldn't assume (and i'm not assuming) that they're cops, and if they were a different faction with no relation to scum win con, i probably wouldn't care. at the very least, if i were to do something about it in thread, i'd do more than a naked vote on one of them - coz how the fuck does that benefit me in any way if i'm scum?
In post 218, zMuffinMan wrote:the reason i'm considering all options for players that i think might have an anti-town win con is because that would necessarily conflict with my own.

i thought you could be a lyncher because your argument on me looked like you were deliberately misrepresenting everything i was saying <- i'm not sure if you'd do this as factional scum, it's risky because of the backlash you'll receive if you do manage to lynch me. lyncher makes sense for that reason. or you could just be really cocky and think you can talk your way out of any trouble you get into for pushing my lynch through on a really shitty basis.

and i have a number of theories about what the detectives are and how they relate to the game; testing whether i could vote for them was the first step in eliminating at least one of these theories.


Shall we go over why I really hate it? He wanted to test a theory, his words:

"i think there's a possibility votes are secretly counted for the detectives but not registered in the votecounts"


Now Guyett, how would you go about testing this theory? I imagine you'd do pretty much what I'd do - ask the town to have six votes for EMPKing or Windblown.

And that would make sense. And I could buy that as an actual theory. But Guyett,
he never does that.


So does that look like town trying to figure things out? Or post-hoc rationalization from scum?


As for the rest, LLD has gone over how his scum suspects are "everyone voting for him"
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Post Post #358 (isolation #56) » Wed Feb 19, 2014 5:20 am

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In post 357, zMuffinMan wrote: and also ALL of those quotes are directly responding to you talking about it or asking me about it - and since your fourth point is that i spend more time speculating about it than scum hunting and the only time i've talked about it is IN RESPONSE TO YOU i'm going to call this more bullshit you're trying to spin
Then why did you invent such flimsy reasoning and rationale? It's clearly invented, Muffin. "I'm voting someone to see if there's secret votes the mod isn't counting" is completely fucking horrible. What will you see? That the mod doesn't count... the secret votes the mod isn't counting?
inb4 you say i'm trying to cut off your conversation with guyett by pointing out your bullshit
Thank you for explaining your own behavior so succinctly.


@Guyett:
I'm still carrying on the conversation with you no matter how much spam gets posted.
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Post Post #361 (isolation #57) » Wed Feb 19, 2014 5:33 am

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In post 359, zMuffinMan wrote:
greyice wrote:"I'm voting someone to see if there's secret votes the mod isn't counting" is completely fucking horrible.
that is NOT what i said at all - and once again you're fucking misrepresenting what i've said about it
I directly quoted you, Muffin.

Here's the link: http://forum.mafiascum.net/posting.php? ... []=5692870

Is your only response to anything I say "you're scummy" or "misrepresentation"?

@Guyett:
You notice how he cuts off all conversation by yelling "MISREPRESENTATION" at the top of his lungs and complaining about how scummy I am?
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Post Post #364 (isolation #58) » Wed Feb 19, 2014 5:43 am

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In post 360, zMuffinMan wrote:what i said about hidden votes was a possibility i was considering as a possibility after i saw that votes didn't officially count in the votecounts - it had nothing to do with my initial vote

it's also something i said i'm not interested in testing at the moment because it's at best a distraction if i'm wrong

at no point did i say i was voting empking to see if there's secret votes the mod isn't counting
Then why did you fucking do it

When there was an announcement in thread that EMPKing could not be voted for

You have never, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever given a straight answer to that without it.

Your first idea was "Oh I read EMPKing was unlynchable AND HADN'T READ THE THREAD" (something Antihero noted AFTER THE GAME STARTED -
SO YOU COULD HAVE ONLY LEARNED IT BY READING THE THREAD
)

You've complained that "You're giving me a hard time about it and not NS (Guyett) or PrivateI!" - And I'd lynch you for that alone. AND YOU KEPT AT IT.

You've speculated about the possible meaning of the detectives. As I noted. Repeatedly.

But you've never really come out and explained your vote.

And don't give me "oh I only read the thread up until I saw EMPKing was unlynchable and that made me vote immediately rather than doing something productive with my vote." Because that's a REALLY SELECTIVE "not reading the thread". Which you emphasize repeatedly that you didn't do.

You later then shifted stance, going for
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Post Post #365 (isolation #59) » Wed Feb 19, 2014 5:44 am

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Sorry, cut off

You were going for "it's scummy to even question me about this" and making it the centerpiece in the "Grey isn't reading me" case.

But the thing is I am reading you.

As I said, it's not the only thing you did. It was a good reason to vote you way back on page 5, and since then? Since then the reasons have gotten so, so, so much better.
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Post Post #368 (isolation #60) » Wed Feb 19, 2014 5:55 am

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So how did you read an announcement that occurred in [b[post 48[/b] without reading the thread, Muffin?

And yes, there's lots of scum motivation to go third party hunting and avoid making firm opinions and actually scumhunting. Look how shitty it is to fake scumhunting. Even if you win this debate with me, you'll just have one dead townie and even more questions tomorrow.

Wouldn't it be so much nicer if you just got to lurk and not be interrupted until some nice wagons had formed that you could quietly join?
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Post Post #372 (isolation #61) » Wed Feb 19, 2014 6:06 am

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In post 370, MTD wrote:
In post 368, GreyICE wrote:And yes, there's lots of scum motivation to go third party hunting and avoid making firm opinions and actually scumhunting. Look how shitty it is to fake scumhunting. Even if you win this debate with me, you'll just have one dead townie and even more questions tomorrow.
True for you.
Not in the least. If I'm wrong about muffin, I'm wrong about muffin. If I get mislynched because of it, it happens. I am quite willing to gamble the game that this sort of INTENSE discomfort at attention and behavior does not come from town.

I don't normally like to boast, MTD, because it's rude, and because I don't think that "I am the lord of scumhunting, sheep me" is in any way productive. But I am not at all bad at it. I can offer you links from the past that show exactly that. Now I have been on hiatus some time, and recently joined 4 games (this is one). Now, the following is a site rule:
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Post Post #374 (isolation #62) » Wed Feb 19, 2014 6:08 am

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In post 371, zMuffinMan wrote:
greyice wrote:So how did you read an announcement that occurred in [b[post 48[/b] without reading the thread, Muffin?
i didn't read that announcement

i opened the thread page one, read the op,
read the rules, read the role descriptions
, saw the part about detectives not counting towards living players then put a vote down
Interesting.

But here's the thing, Muffin. Earlier you said this:
In post 191, zMuffinMan wrote:
dopog wrote:@muffin why vote empking after pI did?
i hadn't read the thread

it was late, couldn't be bothered reading,
saw OP, saw he was "unlynchable" in a bastard game
, figured i'd see what happens, voted, went to sleep.
But muffin, the opening DID NOT INCLUDE ANYTHING ABOUT UNLYNCHABILITY.
In post 2, shos wrote:

Activity Note: The Police Detectives, listed in the first post, can't post in the game thread but they'll be calling people out of the thread for interrogation. The person they call out can't post in the thread for 36 hours.
The Police Detectives don't count towards that "alive" population.

Where does it say that they're unlynchable?
In post 48, Antihero wrote:
In post 47, MTD wrote:Can the detectives be lynched/nightkilled? After all, they aren't town, and we don't really know if they play against town...
No, the detectives cannot be lynched or nightkilled.
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Post Post #375 (isolation #63) » Wed Feb 19, 2014 6:09 am

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In post 372, GreyICE wrote:
In post 370, MTD wrote:
In post 368, GreyICE wrote:And yes, there's lots of scum motivation to go third party hunting and avoid making firm opinions and actually scumhunting. Look how shitty it is to fake scumhunting. Even if you win this debate with me, you'll just have one dead townie and even more questions tomorrow.
True for you.
Not in the least. If I'm wrong about muffin, I'm wrong about muffin. If I get mislynched because of it, it happens. I am quite willing to gamble the game that this sort of INTENSE discomfort at attention and behavior does not come from town.

I don't normally like to boast, MTD, because it's rude, and because I don't think that "I am the lord of scumhunting, sheep me" is in any way productive. But I am not at all bad at it. I can offer you links from the past that show exactly that. Now I have been on hiatus some time, and recently joined 4 games (this is one). Now, the following is a site rule:
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Post Post #376 (isolation #64) » Wed Feb 19, 2014 6:09 am

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In post 372, GreyICE wrote:
In post 370, MTD wrote:
In post 368, GreyICE wrote:And yes, there's lots of scum motivation to go third party hunting and avoid making firm opinions and actually scumhunting. Look how shitty it is to fake scumhunting. Even if you win this debate with me, you'll just have one dead townie and even more questions tomorrow.
True for you.
Not in the least. If I'm wrong about muffin, I'm wrong about muffin. If I get mislynched because of it, it happens. I am quite willing to gamble the game that this sort of INTENSE discomfort at attention and behavior does not come from town.

I don't normally like to boast, MTD, because it's rude, and because I don't think that "I am the lord of scumhunting, sheep me" is in any way productive. But I am not at all bad at it. I can offer you links from the past that show exactly that. Now I have been on hiatus some time, and recently joined 4 games (this is one). Now, the following is a site rule:
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Post Post #379 (isolation #65) » Wed Feb 19, 2014 6:17 am

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In post 378, zMuffinMan wrote:
In post 2, shos wrote:The Police Detectives don't count towards that "alive" population
this is what unlynchable was referring to btw

i used the word unlynchable because it's easier than saying "don't count towards the alive population"
Hey MTD

I want you to say, on record, that it makes sense that he used "unlynchable" as a shorthand for "doesn't count towards the alive population"

And not from Antihero's post #48 where the moderator clearly states he's unlynchable.

This is the post in question by the way.
In post 191, zMuffinMan wrote:
dopog wrote:@muffin why vote empking after pI did?
i hadn't read the thread

it was late, couldn't be bothered reading,
saw OP, saw he was "unlynchable" in a bastard game
, figured i'd see what happens, voted, went to sleep.
Guyett, same question.
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Post Post #434 (isolation #66) » Thu Feb 20, 2014 2:10 am

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Not that I don't find the sudden activity from certain people and the flash wagon fascinating

But wait for shos
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Post Post #443 (isolation #67) » Thu Feb 20, 2014 6:58 am

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So you're voting Dessew because you think my "attack" is bad?

And apparently you haven't read the setup at all.
In post 441, shos wrote: how did you know, greyice, that I am being interrogated by empking? the mod never said that.
In post 2, shos wrote:
This Setup

Win Con
: You win when the all mafia players are removed from the game.
Activity Note: The Police Detectives, listed in the first post, can't post in the game thread but
they'll be calling people out of the thread for interrogation
. The person they call out can't post in the thread for 36 hours.
The Police Detectives don't count towards that "alive" population.[/quote]

And apparently neither has EMPKing, because he AGREED with this fucktarded assessment.

I mean this seriously shos: never call anyone bad at mafia ever again. Ever.
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Post Post #444 (isolation #68) » Thu Feb 20, 2014 6:58 am

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Like you're in a glass house and you want the nickname "captain stonechucker"
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Post Post #445 (isolation #69) » Thu Feb 20, 2014 7:01 am

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In post 431, Garmr wrote:
In post 430, Guyett wrote:I prefer a Dessew wagon but I'll join on a kovara lynch
I could compromise for a dessew wagon over a mara one

and sorry I had to get it off my chest, knowing me it would of built up more and it would of came out a lot worse. Mollie's kinda really special to me we share everything.

VOTE: Dessew
In post 432, Guyett wrote:VOTE: dessew

L-1 and stuff
If Dessew is scum, one of these two is a bus vote
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Post Post #446 (isolation #70) » Thu Feb 20, 2014 7:02 am

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Actually.

One of those two votes is probably scum anyway.
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Post Post #448 (isolation #71) » Thu Feb 20, 2014 7:09 am

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In post 447, Guyett wrote:I doubt garmr is scum and I know I'm town so nope
You'll excuse me

If that assurance

Means almost nothing
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Post Post #453 (isolation #72) » Thu Feb 20, 2014 7:20 am

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Hmmm.

MuffinMan is still 100% scum.

OTOH before we were sent role PMs, Dessew was far more active, he was far more active his previous game. I could buy it.

Dessew, you were a lot more active last game, especially near the end. You had at least 1 post most days and sometimes multiple posts per day, whereas this "1 post per 2 days" feels like a bit of a prod dodge.

(and no putting scum to L-1 doesn't buy you too many town points)

My case on Muffin is excellent, by the way, and the fucker needs to die. I really don't want to have to spend the post game spamming "I told you so" because first, I'd really like to win, and second, I'd just prefer to win this.


Dopog:
Welcome back! You seriously have ZERO READ on either me or Muffin after that?
In post 390, dopog wrote:Yeah so I'm having trouble trying to read this game. muffin and greyice is starting to read to me like a giant wash, null-fiesta. And really I've been liking MTD's recent posts
Think I'm realising I have a predisposition to reading aggressive playstyles as town when really I dunno... Just need to think. Like legit think.
blah blah
Why are we wagoning Dessew and not Dopog?

If I got cancer from this post, would it be lung cancer or colon cancer?
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Post Post #455 (isolation #73) » Thu Feb 20, 2014 7:58 am

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I'm literally psychic.
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Post Post #462 (isolation #74) » Thu Feb 20, 2014 9:08 am

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In post 460, zMuffinMan wrote:oh and
greyice wrote:MuffinMan is still 100% scum.
you're 100% shit at reading me if you're town
I realize you consider this playing to your win condition.

I am surprised at the number of townies here who are buying it :igmeou:
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Post Post #479 (isolation #75) » Sat Feb 22, 2014 11:20 am

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...

Claim stalling?

Vote: Dessew


Don't think so.
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Post Post #490 (isolation #76) » Wed Feb 26, 2014 6:37 am

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I believe my comments were that I finally got to hammer a fucking claim staller without having the entire town sit around with their thumbs up their collective asses waiting for them to whip out the latest ridiculous concoction and therefore yesterday was awesome.

Also that mastin thinks shos is scum for some ungodly reason that's been eaten by tigers but that I remember hating.
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Post Post #492 (isolation #77) » Wed Feb 26, 2014 7:18 am

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If we go with Merangal's theory of 1 scum left (which I could believe) I'd say Dopog, MTD, LLD, or PrivateI, simply based on wagons. Of them, LLD hasn't posted jack shit, but I don't see her shooting muffin, so Dopog, MTD, and PrivateI. Of which I'd REALLY like Dopog to start posting something.

If there's two scum left, or there's some sort of factional bullshit going on, then everything goes right out the fucking window. Given that Merengal just gained about 5,000 scum points for trying to gain town cred because she replaced her alt, I'm gonna say if that happens we poke her with dynamite.
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Post Post #501 (isolation #78) » Wed Feb 26, 2014 9:00 am

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In post 498, Ms Marangal wrote:Who's M?

Pedit: I was non-existant to this game prior to today
Fuck you
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Post Post #506 (isolation #79) » Wed Feb 26, 2014 12:59 pm

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Why so angry?

I mean we lynched scum day 1 and someone shot muffin. It's pretty much the perfect game so far if Mastin made any sense and I didn't want to policy lynch
Kovara
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Post Post #508 (isolation #80) » Wed Feb 26, 2014 1:22 pm

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Look, if we wanna policy lynch Mara, I'm kinda leaning towards down for it. This behavior is a mixture of anti-town and EXTREMELY scummy. Replacing out for your alt then trying to pretend you're different people is obnoxious as fuck, and randomly calling yourself confirmed town just irks me.

Shos otoh just strikes me as town. I have exactly one reason to believe he's not, and it's not even a very good reason, since I'd do the same thing.
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Post Post #510 (isolation #81) » Wed Feb 26, 2014 1:43 pm

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Shouldn't I just be like "fuck you it's antitown to explain my town reads"?

I should.

But honestly I dunno, he just strikes me as town whose as fucking frustrated with this game as I am. Call it gut. Meh.

Probably not the best read I ever had if I read the ISO, but w/e.

Plus he tried to stop any wagon on me, and there'd be no reason to do anything other than let idiots push for my lynch today if he was scum.
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Post Post #512 (isolation #82) » Wed Feb 26, 2014 2:28 pm

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It's not great. Honestly though, I'm gonna go with this vote.

Vote: Dopog
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Post Post #513 (isolation #83) » Wed Feb 26, 2014 2:30 pm

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Although I have to admit after not taking the Kovara wagon seriously at all

I'm really considering a Marangal vote
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Post Post #526 (isolation #84) » Sat Mar 01, 2014 3:54 am

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Marangal, I think I've played in like one game with you. I don't know you from Eve. I just know this behavior is fucking irritating and shit. If I ask you a question about what you did on day 1 I don't want to hear "oh that wasn't me, that was this other person who happened to get heavily wagoned."

Frankly if I was the mod I would not have allowed it in the first place, but even given that he did, you're abusing it rather muchly.
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Post Post #556 (isolation #85) » Wed Mar 05, 2014 8:33 am

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Got prodded

Not gonna lie this interrogation mechanic is really bad

It just kinda kills my will to play until I hear from the interrogated player and that just puts a huge pause button on the game.

Still no guyett, so opinions soon I guess
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Post Post #559 (isolation #86) » Wed Mar 05, 2014 8:41 am

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Fucking useless fucking mechanic
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Post Post #566 (isolation #87) » Wed Mar 05, 2014 9:09 am

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In post 563, Guyett wrote:
In post 544, shos wrote:Guyette, ask as much as you can. Id like to know their opinion about how many scums are left, and if theybthink ms marascum is possible with dessews iso.
they think 2 scum are left and that dopog could be scum with mara
"They"? I thought Windblown wasn't in there.

And given your PI vote, what do you think of those reads (spoiler: I like the idea of lynching Dopog)
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Post Post #567 (isolation #88) » Wed Mar 05, 2014 9:15 am

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In post 555, Lady Lambdadelta wrote:
Vote: Shos
I know you don't like talking

But dopog is town here?
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Post Post #571 (isolation #89) » Wed Mar 05, 2014 9:48 am

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In post 568, Guyett wrote:I like their reads

I'm just saying what emp told me, I think they're agreed on that hence the they.
I could move to dopog but why not pi?
Nothing 100%, but I don't feel like a PI lynch today.

Worrying about the alignment of someone you can't even lynch (and who is being replaced) remains an enormous waste of fucking time. Shos, why are you diddling about with that shit?
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Post Post #573 (isolation #90) » Wed Mar 05, 2014 10:00 am

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I'm going to assume Antihero isn't going to have a game where we lynch all the scum then sit around arguing with townies.

So why is it relevant again? Why are we scumcounting in a bastard mod?
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Post Post #578 (isolation #91) » Thu Mar 06, 2014 9:45 am

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MTD and Marangal are making more sense than Shos.

Have we fallen into a bastard parallel universe?
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Post Post #589 (isolation #92) » Sun Mar 09, 2014 5:12 am

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I really don't think a PrivateI vote is the way to go if you think there's two scum.

Try Dopog.
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Post Post #591 (isolation #93) » Sun Mar 09, 2014 7:33 am

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Nothing to do with day play.
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Post Post #601 (isolation #94) » Sun Mar 09, 2014 3:38 pm

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In post 596, shos wrote:alright, do you have some role-related info that puts a guilty (or likely puts one) on dopog?
No. That's all day play. Dear god I'd obviously claim a day 2 guilty.

Read on PrivateI isn't.

If you want to know more, I'm sure you can figure it out if I flip. If not, I'll tell you more later.
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Post Post #607 (isolation #95) » Mon Mar 10, 2014 8:25 am

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So we're back to

Three scum?

Da fuq?
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Post Post #615 (isolation #96) » Tue Mar 11, 2014 9:35 am

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I think the purpose of the police is to kill activity completely.

I no longer feel it's any sort of scumhunting, or pro-town activity, or really anything at all.
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Post Post #616 (isolation #97) » Tue Mar 11, 2014 9:36 am

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Oh I'm working up something resembling excitement

Oh they abducted my second favorite player

And my favorite player is fucking MIA

And thinks content is a 4 letter word
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Post Post #618 (isolation #98) » Tue Mar 11, 2014 9:40 am

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That's the bastard element.

I'm the only townie. The only one.

I might think I have a role and shit, but the only purpose is for me to determine if its a conspiracy.

Mod: It's a conspiracy. They're all against me, trying to make me believe it's not a conspiracy. Do I win?
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Post Post #620 (isolation #99) » Tue Mar 11, 2014 10:21 am

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Vote: Shos


This is way past the point of reasonable play.
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Post Post #622 (isolation #100) » Tue Mar 11, 2014 10:38 am

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Jon is PrivateI

PrivateI is Jon
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Post Post #624 (isolation #101) » Tue Mar 11, 2014 11:26 am

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...
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Post Post #631 (isolation #102) » Tue Mar 11, 2014 1:14 pm

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In post 630, Ms Marangal wrote::/

I will be spending quality time with mastin myself when he gets back. until then
Yo I gotta ask

What was preventing you from spending quality time

For like the past fucking week?
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Post Post #632 (isolation #103) » Tue Mar 11, 2014 1:14 pm

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'cause "oh fuck the police took her away" is like... fucking seriously?
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Post Post #642 (isolation #104) » Wed Mar 12, 2014 6:00 am

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In post 640, MTD wrote:@LLD: I think I still need to know why you are voting shos.
@Grey: same.
He is not pressuring PrivateI/Replacement

He is pressuring me to reveal my Role PM

He's stuck in a situation where he says that he thinks I'm town, but now that I'm telling him I have night play info on his alignment, he can't exactly just go "that sounds scummy!"

I have a history of being virulently anti-fakeclaim as town (that dates from long before this game started) so this is not a matter of him thinking that I'm town doing a "gambit" (aka being an anti-town fuckwit, which is what 99.9% of town fakeclaim gambits are). Either I'm scum, or PrivateI is town (or at least a fucking terrible lynch for today when we have this many godawful lurkaderps). And under his 2 scum theory, if I'm scum PrivateI is STILL town (and instead of letting my partners fakeclaim and maybe survive an extra few days I drop fucking hammers on their face and go solo serial killer mode).

He even told me to breadcrumb what my result was, which I feel I have sufficiently done if I flip. But then he turns around and just ignores everything to go back to the push. There's literally no town reason to do that. None.

This feels like he really wants to know my role.
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Post Post #650 (isolation #105) » Wed Mar 12, 2014 3:34 pm

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I'd say MTD-scum isn't that hard to read, and imho he's town here.
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Post Post #655 (isolation #106) » Thu Mar 13, 2014 6:01 am

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Meh, I've played with Mastin a lot. This entrance was weak as hell, but I'm not overly concerned with mastin-scum. She can't maintain posting volume in her scum games, just lynch her if the walls feel forced or shitty (forced walls is a general scum tell from mastin).

Also the opening wall means literally nothing - chances are she prepared 90% of that before she entered the game and even knew her alignment. Because Mastin.

Dear, are you scum? Because this is feeling a tad modern family.
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Post Post #657 (isolation #107) » Thu Mar 13, 2014 8:06 am

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So if we lynched you would you give a shit?
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Post Post #679 (isolation #108) » Fri Mar 14, 2014 8:30 am

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Shos is pissing me off.

Take Jon out of the possibly scum list.

Unvote
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Post Post #683 (isolation #109) » Fri Mar 14, 2014 8:43 am

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In post 680, Guyett wrote:why?
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Post Post #713 (isolation #110) » Mon Mar 17, 2014 5:14 am

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Get away from me fucking prod.

Vote: Dopog

In post 697, dopog wrote:I'm vt all the way
Go hammer away

This is probably it eh? and I guess as I said before not really too miffed; played average and stuff

But I mean seriously shos and (mostly?) mtd. I'm not like "oh yeah that's a concrete scumtell" I'm saying that's what I think when I read a post.
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Been a scum read for me all day, but this last post is really, really similar to quite a few scum posts I've seen. Especially if it's 2, then the thought of playing this one out has got to be fucking depressing.
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Post Post #719 (isolation #111) » Mon Mar 17, 2014 6:53 am

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Oh god. Mastin, best of wishes, and take as much time as you need.
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Post Post #721 (isolation #112) » Mon Mar 17, 2014 7:10 am

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Yeah sorry honey, but I was around for the reason your name is mastin2. That's a no-go.
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Post Post #738 (isolation #113) » Thu Mar 20, 2014 6:26 am

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Vote: LLD


I know your shot when I see it.
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Post Post #747 (isolation #114) » Thu Mar 20, 2014 7:56 am

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In post 742, shos wrote:Grey, tell me, why do you think this is LLD's shot?
Who the FUCK shoots Marangal?
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Post Post #750 (isolation #115) » Thu Mar 20, 2014 11:39 am

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In post 749, shos wrote:She was my strongest tiwnread so why nit?
So someone would shoot Marangal and not you, for instance?
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Post Post #752 (isolation #116) » Thu Mar 20, 2014 11:51 am

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Yes.

That's why she makes all of her shots.
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Post Post #758 (isolation #117) » Fri Mar 21, 2014 5:29 pm

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Ooh I know I should 1v1 you. It's basically how you want this day to go right? Then try to wiggle out of it tomorrow.

I like how your suspicion of me has suddenly cropped up day three though.
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Post Post #760 (isolation #118) » Fri Mar 21, 2014 5:56 pm

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For gods sake, who shoots Muffin and Marangal? I get Muffin at least, he's not an idiot, but Marangal? When she's not being an anti-town fuck she's more useless than a teflon-coated tires.

I mean honestly, WHO KILLS MARANGAL HERE? You LOVE the WIFOM shots, I know you do. Shooting me is NOT a WIFOM shot. I am probably the person in this town with the best shot of reading you, if you're flying solo you're going to be worried that that leads back to you.

Meanwhile no one sane shoots maranagal.
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Post Post #784 (isolation #119) » Thu Mar 27, 2014 3:46 am

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Yeah, so like, I was prodded.

I'm content with everything at the moment.
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Post Post #785 (isolation #120) » Thu Mar 27, 2014 3:50 am

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Honestly, I have really good feelings about Mastin, she's fairly obviously not a good choice. I feel really good about Shos at this point, and I feel really good about MTD

That leaves what, Guyett and LLD? Guyett at least seems to give a shit here. Although it should be noted, Nobody Special has a meta of replacing out as scum, so please keep that in mind.
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Post Post #787 (isolation #121) » Thu Mar 27, 2014 4:48 am

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Because Garmr spent all of day 1 wanting a different wagon than me vs. muffin and immediately hopped on Dessew, and because Mastin has been playing pretty town, and this matches her activity levels in other recent games (like Tales). Good enough for me.

Frankly you really think this game will be ongoing after LLD and Guyett die?
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Post Post #798 (isolation #122) » Fri Mar 28, 2014 6:31 am

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Mastin, I love you, but I've told you before one of the fastest ways for me to get a town read on someone is for you to tell me they're 100% scum.

Am good with an LLD lynch, but I'd vaguely like to hear something from Jon. She doesn't seem to give a shit, which is a good sign - playing solo serial killer after a day 1 scumbuddy lynch is hyper demoralizing.
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Post Post #828 (isolation #123) » Thu Apr 03, 2014 12:03 pm

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To Empking and Angry Pigeon: You know what to do. Fucking do it. kthxbai


To town: I am aligned with the police. Please hold while the really really stupid people who make up the police force do their thing.

To scum: Try and lynch me and I'll out you both.
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Post Post #829 (isolation #124) » Thu Apr 03, 2014 12:07 pm

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Additional to scum: I am not spiteful. I will not out you because I can or something shitty like that. I can and will do so the instant you threaten my win condition.
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Post Post #831 (isolation #125) » Thu Apr 03, 2014 12:15 pm

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sucks to be you mtd
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Post Post #835 (isolation #126) » Thu Apr 03, 2014 12:32 pm

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HAHAHAHAHAHA

To any town: I neither win with you nor the scum. Emp and AP can arrest one person, and will do so shortly. That person will be scum. Lynching me is counterproductive to your win condition, and my claim is nothing BUT testable.
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Post Post #836 (isolation #127) » Thu Apr 03, 2014 12:33 pm

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Actually lynching me would instantly cause a town loss, since there are currently two members of the scum team alive.
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Post Post #838 (isolation #128) » Thu Apr 03, 2014 1:02 pm

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Actually hold on a second, I have things to discuss in the scum QT, AP. Don't arrest anyone yet.
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Post Post #843 (isolation #129) » Fri Apr 04, 2014 4:53 am

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Yes, the game is on hold.

At the moment it is 2:2:1 Town:Scum:Cops, and you can't lynch anyone (as I literally have no motive to lynch, lynches are anti-cop).

At the conclusion of these activities it will be 2:1 Town:Scum, as an arrest will be made, and I will depart the thread (either the winner or the loser).

If you think this is a bullshit game state... it kinda is.

The major reason I'm posting this is because if any townies come in and vote for anyone who turns out to be town (or me), my two "scumbuddies" have the potential to jump on it for lynch, which would be catastrophic for both town and cops.
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Post Post #847 (isolation #130) » Fri Apr 04, 2014 5:18 pm

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Hi cops

You know that thing I sent last night? It's probably bullshit. I am leaning in the opposite direction now. I'll have decided in a day, 2 at most, but for now, arrest the person who I previously thought was NOT the godfather if some other enormous bullshit mechanic should kill me for some insane reason.

Also thanks for taking me into the QT last night and giving them conversation time without me you stupid twits.
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Post Post #848 (isolation #131) » Fri Apr 04, 2014 5:19 pm

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Like the previous times I was making fun of you? That was just me passing on messages about random shit underhandedly.

This time it's just me passing on messages directly. That was not pro-cop.
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Post Post #853 (isolation #132) » Sat Apr 05, 2014 11:06 am

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Okay yeah, final 180.

Go with who I have suspected since day 1. Little bit of last second paranoia, but seriously, go with the person I have said all along.

And please hurry up this is stupifyingly boring for everyone at this point.
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Post Post #856 (isolation #133) » Mon Apr 07, 2014 8:16 am

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Antihero, can you prod Empking and Angry Pidgeon. Or... I dunno what a prod is in this context, but shove sharp objects up their ass or whatever
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Post Post #860 (isolation #134) » Mon Apr 07, 2014 9:29 am

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Is simple setup. It's just a cleverly disguised 7:2 with anti-scum mechanics.

7 town, 3 scum, 1 undercover cop. Cops can make an arrest once when they interrogate someone. That vigs them. Because I know all the scum, that's the equivalent of removing 1 scum from the game (whether or not I hit the godfather) and me as well. So it's actually just a 7:2 with a good chance of the scumteam self-destructing from internal tensions. Like the godfather shooting at scum to try and hit me, or bussing people.

Town aren't going to be voting for me today. As to why dumb and dumber haven't taken the right person into interrogation, I'd like to say that they're discussing something important, but probably they just lost track of the game. It's not like the lurking has helped them maintain any motivation either.
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Post Post #1024 (isolation #135) » Thu Apr 17, 2014 1:54 am

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If the idiot police hadn't arrested me night 3, I would have had you.

Fucking anti-town nitwits.

And frankly it was 50/50 in the last day anyway.
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Post Post #1025 (isolation #136) » Thu Apr 17, 2014 1:54 am

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Also I felt your inspiration was more likely to be Reaper Charlie's famous inner circle mafia.

I use "famous" rather loosely.
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Post Post #1026 (isolation #137) » Thu Apr 17, 2014 1:58 am

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Also this role was completely stupid because it was defeated entirely by PrivateI's play.

He never posted in the scum QT. Ever.

You can prod people for not posting in the game, but how do you prod them for not posting in the scum QT?

This one oversight made the role a bit like playing a game of mafia with lurkers, only you can't even ask the mod to replace the lurkers. I couldn't design a less fun role to play if I tried. Hell, I'd rather have been a neutral survivor.
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Post Post #1027 (isolation #138) » Thu Apr 17, 2014 1:58 am

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And yeah, that's saying something, since survivor is typically the worst of all possible roles
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