Paragraph one: The effort you've poured into getting a lynch and the passion you have while pushing said lynch means absolutely nothing as far as the alignment of the people you are pushing goes. Do you expect me to set aside my opinion and my pushes because you are more invested in the game and you have out more effort pushing than I have? Do you expect me to be quiet and accept whatever direction others push because your production is more impressive than mine? That is a naive mindset: effort =\= right.In post 158, CarbonFiber wrote:Okay, here's my problem, Nacho:
I am scumreading MastinSSK, Rancid, and AP.
Pieguyn, BRO-Desp and I spent a literal fuckton of time trying to get ANY one of them lynched. I literally wrote the number of town players who would vote for ANY scum lynch and try to make it happen. None of the scum are bussing. They are spamming and spamming and spamming hoping that the town doesn't try and figure out the scum. I don't intend to play games with some of the players in this game again. Not that I will blacklist them or anything because I don't have anything against them. It is just that their tactics of burying the thread are crap and borderline unethical. It is just that seeing their name in a playerlist might make me think about not signing up/not replacing in into the game. Specifically zMuffinman. I also enjoyed playing with Mastin but he is literally spamming up the thread with bullshit and it is exasperating. I don't think that making it physically impossible for town to catch up to the game and contribute is good in any way. It is not like they are actually playing a good game and fooling a majority of players. It is that their spam caused a whole TON of players to not get caught up in the game and not make an informed vote. As such we only had about 8-9 active players in the game. To lynch any of the scum, we basically needed ALL of us to agree on a lynch. We got the three people in this neighborhood and The Fox and the Hound to agree. We got Cupcake to vote Mastin and PeregrineV to vote Rancid. The problem is that you and ffery are determinedly avoiding any lynch that could actually yield scum. You got your Orc lynch, fine. He is obviously town. What now?
Add onto that, a few players like you and ffery proved COMPLETELY impossible to work with because you won't vote ANY of the scum in the game. I tried to work with you and her to vote ANY of Mastin/Muffin/AP but all you did was ignore the entire fucking game for the ENTIRETY of the 18 days with no contributions. Then you finally show up with 8 hours left to deadline and work with the scum to derail their lynch. The lynch you pushed went through because the scum were backing you and ffery 100%. You did jackshit the whole game. You never worked with me to help lynch any of my scumreads at all despite having me as obviously town. I don't think I was ever this much of a dick to you EVER in any game we played before. I don't understand how you think you can just pop in 8 hours before deadline and derail something that I worked so hard to accomplish, reaching out to so many players, spending so much time and effort to push and then shake all of it down. And you tell me that you are frustrated with me because I am not working with you. How the fuck do you actually think that's okay? In all other games we played together, when you were trying to push any of your scumreads, I backed you up or had a reasonable discussion about why I disagreed with your reads. You keep saying you are frustrated with me that I am not working with you and that's seriously bullshit. Like, are you kidding me? You showed up out of literally nowhere to say that me pointing out that Muffin was using insults was bad and that I should stop it.
You are not even thinking about it from my POV. Do you really, really believe that a skim of the thread gave you better reads overall than me who re-read the thread a fucking dozen times? Like seriously? You were oblivious to details of what was hapenning in the thread. You weren't involved. You don't understand the subtle emotional manipulation Mastin was doing with BRO because he could be riled up. You don't get that Mastin was trying to discredit me (and Pie when he joined the game). Muffin was spending a ton of time discrediting both Tammy and me although now it seems like he decided to buddy up with Tammy. You don't know ANYTHING. You fucking skimmed the thread, found one post from Rancid with ATE in it and decided that it made them town because he wouldn't do it as scum. You don't get that scum were in a hard place especially when Pie joined the game and re-inforced the attack that BRO-Desp, Fox, and I were building up. If he hadn't replaced in, it would have been even harder but his posts were like a breath of fresh air that provided the REAL possibility of getting Rancid/Mastin lynched today.
I really want to ask you this for the third time because I am so pissed off at you and I am not even getting it. DID YOU LITERALLY TELL ME THAT I AM NOT WORKING WITH YOU WHEN I SPENT EIGHTEEN FUCKING DAYS SOLVING THIS GAME AND FIGURING OUT THE SCUM AND YOU WON'T HELP ME PUSH ANY OF MY SCUMREADS? I said I'd settle for any of three players in the game and you were fucking with that and telling me that you are disappointed in me for nit working with you. Like ARE YOU FUCKING KIDDING ME? And hey I am looking over past games and still can't find a single instance where I was a total dick to you as far as helping you push your scumreads. I am not really sure what the problem is or how you expected me to work with you or what you think I could have done better in the thread.
Again, you have the same language that I'm derailing all of your hard work and I'm expressing my viewpoints and that makes me an asshole (I don't understand how you think you can pop in and derail something
I
worked so hard to accomplish)... Again, if you want me to be invested like you act like you want me to be, I will be aggressive. And if I disagree with the reads that you have, I will express my disagreement loudly and immediately. Saying that I am impossible o work with because "I won't vote any of the scum" is not exactly a fair statement: working with a player is taking their reads into account and adjusting accordingly, not forcing them to vote your way, and your single-minded pursuit of your suspects is cool and all but don't drag me in and ask me to work with you if you don't want to work through anything.I don't know anything.
I didn't read the thread.
Except... I did read the thread. And I've known Mastin for three years longer than you have, and I know him far more intimately than you do. Mastin was frustrated, Mastin was angry. I don't think Mastin was trying to make BRO have an emotional breakdown and I think the accusation is a little extreme. I do get that scum would be in a hard place if the narrative that you're building is true.
Yes, I'm telling you you're not working with me when you're pissed at me for "not pushing your scumreads". I have never asked anyone to push my scumreads for me when asking to work with them, and you asking that from me and getting angry when I refuse illustrates my point completely.
