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I never learned how to read. Reading is against God's will.In post 6, Untrod Tripod wrote:If you had read the PM that everyone got when the game opened, you would know that the Private Topics will be coming momentarily. Do not start faking mod errors or I will smite you.In post 3, AngryPidgeon wrote:Wait do I have a private topic. I don't recall one
Pedit: skipping out on RVS BPC? Not on my watch. No hiding from me. I'll be tracking you done you scumbutt.
I'm a miller.
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Ugh what I MEANT to fakeclaim was Paranoid Gun Owner. Just don't touch me with a 11.5 foot pole, ok? Unless its a doctor protect, you can still do that to me.In post 14, Axxle wrote:Wait, are you claiming miller or godfather?
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Apparently Im the only person in my Private Topic. I've been posting mean things about you in there.In post 16, Bacde wrote:Yo ap you're ignoring me
But, uh, Im not sure what to say? I missed you ^^.
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Things I said that were serious: Having special flavor saying I return innocent to cops despite being town.
Things I said that were not serious: PGO claim, Watcher crumb, Tracker crumb, Hider crumb, Miller claim.
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In post 50, implosion wrote:In what senses of the words "shit" and "real" do you claim this proposition to be true?
In post 51, Messiah Complex wrote:All joking aside, I think that Levi scumslipped like a mofo and deserves to hang.
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Most scumslips aren't actually scumslips?:In post 59, implosion wrote:Also remind me what thor says about scumslips?
Subject: Mini 1347 - Over
Arugula wrote:@AP
I wanted to shoot Tech and lynch kondi, not the other way around.
I'm not scum, I've always been a 2-shot SK.
AP, why do you think Pidgey is town? I saw his vote on you and then unvote pretty scummy. It seems like he'll vote for anyone he can find a reason to do so.
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God I hope you two arent scum together. That would be a bitch.In post 62, Bacde wrote:Lets throw implosion into the town pile
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Ugh. Is this scum? I think I've never been on Axxle's team. In Balto I was scum. In Brass/Shrapnel he was scum. And I sort of knew it all along but didn't want to lynch him anyways. Axxle doesn't give me the same feel that he did there I guess. Is this town-Axxle posting...I guess?In post 28, Axxle wrote:I feel like both of you were pretty jumpy at early pressure. Bacde moreso since he's more aggressive (and hypocritical) in his jumpiness while Jargo is more defensive.
AngryPidgeon wrote: Gosh this Bacde wagon is stalling so hard. Because his buddies won't bus him.
I think my main beef with this post is the assumption that being aggressive rather than defensive is inherently scummy. Also using hypocrisy as a scumtell, which is pretty meh. Thinking about this though, I don't see how Bacde was hypocritical at all? Like, is Axxle implying that bacde is hypocritical because hes afraid to be lynched? Eh?
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Bacde: You ask me why Im not sure of myself and simultaneously tell me Im too sure about my BPC read, why dat? And admittedly I could be. No one is a super strong read yet.
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implosion: I was trying to be unabashedly obvtown on P1 so him calling me transparently town felt right at first. On reread of myself, Im not as sure that I actually came off that way (despite it being my intent). So slight town lean on him I guess, but not much.
Jargonaut: might actually be town. Didn't like how he obviously recognized I was being a troll, but took my vote on him as if it were 100% sincere. But meh.
Messiah: Mmm, town? I dont think they are scum with Bacde at least (and vice versa). Desperado better town it up for me.
Lord God is a little sketchy, I dont see why Messiah is so obvscum here.
Bob seems to be doing his own thing which is promising.
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implosion: I was trying to be unabashedly obvtown on P1 so him calling me transparently town felt right at first. On reread of myself, Im not as sure that I actually came off that way (despite it being my intent). So slight town lean on him I guess, but not much.
Jargonaut: might actually be town. Didn't like how he obviously recognized I was being a troll, but took my vote on him as if it were 100% sincere. But meh.
Messiah: Mmm, town? I dont think they are scum with Bacde at least (and vice versa). Desperado better town it up for me.
Lord God is a little sketchy, I dont see why Messiah is so obvscum here.
Bob seems to be doing his own thing which is promising.
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<3In post 75, Messiah Complex wrote:don't worry baby, it's coming
You do know that Fish literally always draws scum right? I'm scumreading you guys purely off of the Titus-tell right now
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Maybe. I feel like I vary game to game quite a bit. Mastin is also working on her PhD about my play being cyclical and me actually swapping my town and scum meta every so often.In post 89, Bacde wrote:You not being sure of yourself is more of a playstyle difference that im wondering about... Has your style changed in the last year?
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See what has me concerned about you is your focus on me and how well you read me.In post 104, Bacde wrote:Ugh everyone is tr ap too early. Ap damn you man I know you're good at town telling but are you actually town? That is the question
I sort of expect town-you to say things like that, but I am concerned by your lack of jumpy enthusiasm if that makes sense? And I can certainly see you feigning interest in sorting me if you are scum.
Why is implosion a townread?
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omfg. The whole point is that Leviathan "scumsliped" about knowing that the mafia team is aligned with Satan or something. Srsly?In post 109, Jargonaut wrote:In post 51, Messiah Complex wrote: All joking aside, I think that Levi scumslipped like a mofo and deserves to hang.Messiah pls rspndIn post 52, Jargonaut wrote:How do you figure?
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Ugh I am so sick of people dropping dumbtells.
Like.
I legitimately can't tell if Leviathan actually believes that (dumb) or is just pretending to be dumb (scum).
Its been happening so mcuh recently and I just wish I could expect people to say at least REASONABLE things all the time. Is that too much to ask?
Like.
I legitimately can't tell if Leviathan actually believes that (dumb) or is just pretending to be dumb (scum).
Its been happening so mcuh recently and I just wish I could expect people to say at least REASONABLE things all the time. Is that too much to ask?
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No, Im completely baffled that you don't think there is a mafia team in a game of MAFIA.In post 121, leviathan93 wrote:Apparently i'm the one the spot light is on for using the word devil and and that "apparently" is a scumslip.
Thus my continued use of the word, you say is "dumb". I could care less about my use of it. I have nothing to hide.
Im left to conclude that maybe you are on that team and think that saying this will make people think you arent.
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Ssshhhhh. As I told my new PT buddy, I need like 5 hours to get home and read this over again carefully...un-sober.In post 133, Bacde wrote:If ap doesnt sheep this he is prob scum
Leviathan is all over the place right now and I want to strip away the bullshit and actually nail down a good read here.
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In post 135, Bacde wrote:Why arent you voting ap then, who claimed he was convertedIn post 130, leviathan93 wrote:I am under the impression they aren't. an apparently someone was just converted so I see cults (under the name churches) as the enemy.
Your thoughts dont match up to your actions
In post 137, leviathan93 wrote:I meant WHO the enemy would be. like a mafia, or cult, werewolf, serial killer, etc.
yes, there are opposing factions. which would make them enemies. i agree with that.
Levi is flailing pretty hard. Im not sure of this being scum flail though.
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I gotIn post 159, BipolarChemist wrote:AP, you seem nice, catch me up.
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recruited to a new religion. My old one died.Leviathan posted about how the devil might be the mafia team faction and Bacde and Messiah have jumped on him for it, saying its a scumslip. Messiah is now (faking?) a dayvig on Leviathan.
Bacde is v interested in sorting me and is pretty sold on Levi scum.Leviathan just posted a whole lot of nonsense that makes me think hes town...maybe but other people seem to think differently.
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Well don't waste your time.In post 170, BipolarChemist wrote:Levi seems pretty weird so far, I dunno about him yet!
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Or you could ISO him. But I wouldn't wish such torment on my enemies even, so meh.
The case on Levi is that he is contradicting himself about what he thinks the anti-town faction is in this game and is spending more time talking about horse shit than actually finding scum.
I think hes town, but Messiah disagrees. And all of my opinions are not backed by my warranty until after I get home and read this game while not sober tonight.
The case on Levi is that he is contradicting himself about what he thinks the anti-town faction is in this game and is spending more time talking about horse shit than actually finding scum.
I think hes town, but Messiah disagrees. And all of my opinions are not backed by my warranty until after I get home and read this game while not sober tonight.
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Page top~In post 199, BipolarChemist wrote:Tsk tsk, AP. Assuming I don't do background research before asking someone to do something!
Well I'd love to hear your opinion on the Leviathan posts then. I dont think its really that difficult to divine why people think hes scummy if you have read them.
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Despite my crippling insecurities: scummy.In post 220, Bacde wrote:What do you think about the last line of #210
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I was referencing this this, but I felt it was appropriate regardless :
p-edit: Gut? IDK, I'm chatting it up in my neighborhood and waffling about it. I just don't feel like BPC is playing to a town wincon here. I liked Klazam's post a lot more. BPC looked like he was just trying to say something to get out of my suspicion.
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p-edit: Gut? IDK, I'm chatting it up in my neighborhood and waffling about it. I just don't feel like BPC is playing to a town wincon here. I liked Klazam's post a lot more. BPC looked like he was just trying to say something to get out of my suspicion.
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This is too dumb to be scum, right? right?!? Come on this has to be town. This cant be mafia. ITs just too scummy. Its just too wow. Its town? I mean the words it says and the opinions it has. Its just gotta be? Someone back me up here?In post 233, leviathan93 wrote:How does anyone KNOW if someone is playing a town or scum wincon? the point is we DON'T!
both towntells and scumtells are bullshit. Especially when made by people who actually PLAY the game and have so many times. They know how to "fool" the system. Therefore it really comes into play that you can't trust anyone.
yes, there are majorly stupid or scummy things that can be said or happen, but I personally think that what is MORE scummy is finding scumminess in things that are pointless or stupid. or making big deals out of things.
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I have not attempted to recruit anyone today. I wanted to fake a relevant guilty on BPC and see what he'd do. And he came in and chainsaw defended himself. So Im still digesting that. I think hes scummy though because lolgut and I cant make up my mind.In post 242, Jargonaut wrote:Wait, did you actually fake it? I get that this post is supposed to be a joke, but I'm still not sure if you were telling the truth in it.
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IDK man, I just don't think "I can't recruit you, therefore you are scum" should have garnered a "wait no Im just unrecruitable" from a townie who was unrecruitable. Especially since Leviathan had just claimed Town Unrecruitable. You just took what I said as truth without wondering if I was bullshitting (which I have admitted to doing already this game) or ...i dunno. You didn't even stop to wonder if I was just making a shitty assumption about recruitable=town?
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Obviously I wanted to see how you'd react to me calling you confirmed scum. But Im waffling now so Im just going to go cry in my QT.
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Obviously I wanted to see how you'd react to me calling you confirmed scum. But Im waffling now so Im just going to go cry in my QT.
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Ok I realize Im spamming so Im gonna contain myself to the QT where my religion buddy will have to deal with me instead of everyone.
but can we keep D1 <35 pages? That'd be great. Im so sick of games that go to DL and talk about fucking horse shit for a hundred pages just to have flashwagons at deadline.
but can we keep D1 <35 pages? That'd be great. Im so sick of games that go to DL and talk about fucking horse shit for a hundred pages just to have flashwagons at deadline.
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Bacde, you're breaking my heart. Also, have you figured out some fake logic for your implosion read:In post 274, Bacde wrote:Ok good idea lets just let town lose
?In post 106, Bacde wrote:Im gonna get back to you on implo, lets see if i can remember/put it into words
I dunno man. Some things you do make me want to townread you (also I just want you to be town) but I just dont feel it.
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I'm really really not though. I dunno, is this anything to do with that newbie game where I was a scum IC?
p-edit: Do I need to start calling you confirmed scum and crying until people lynch you to get you to townread me?
Wait I've been scum with you town in like half of out games together >.>
I dont think Ive ever been town with you scum.
p-p-edit: Hm. Well I'll think on that. I know you pointed out that I felt less confident and
I may be starting to townread you >.>, but if you ARE scum you've entered "breaking my heart permanently" territory. JSYK. ; )
p-edit: Do I need to start calling you confirmed scum and crying until people lynch you to get you to townread me?
Wait I've been scum with you town in like half of out games together >.>
I dont think Ive ever been town with you scum.
p-p-edit: Hm. Well I'll think on that. I know you pointed out that I felt less confident and
thats because Im an IC so I changed my style up intentionally
I dont really know why that is although I agree that I am less tunnely than I have been in the past. I come and go. Im actively trying not to be as much of a spazz (see my comment in Left for Dead mafia recently)I may be starting to townread you >.>, but if you ARE scum you've entered "breaking my heart permanently" territory. JSYK. ; )
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Oh right that game. I try not to think about that game. I reread that shit so many times and called the entire playerlist scum multiple times. And I misread you mostly. Although that was largely because of shitty setupspec on my end.In post 295, Bacde wrote:I was scum with you in a game we both replaced into. I got wagoned and then claimed doc, you were a universal townread, so i killed you and claimed roleblocked to victory
Im sure you remember it
Why are you townreading me now? You should know I'm trickier than that
I realize that my latest posts look scummy cause Im being oddly emotional, but...appealing to you emotionally is the best bullet in my chamber for reading you I think.
And Im probably also scummy for being self aware and thinking my posts are scummy.
And scummy for suddenly generating a read on you.
And Im gonna burn in hell if Im wrong. But I think you are town : |
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Thinking about it though, my play this game shouldnt match up with your recollection of my town OR scum games.
So Im not sure why you are so sure about this being me for scum meta. I try to lead people as scum and town. I'll give you the toying with you sentiment, but I fail to see how I did that this game conceivably.
So Im not sure why you are so sure about this being me for scum meta. I try to lead people as scum and town. I'll give you the toying with you sentiment, but I fail to see how I did that this game conceivably.
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I think Klazam is my best townread actually.In post 302, leviathan93 wrote:@Pidgeon and why is it dumb my vote on Messiah? You can't give everyone a town read, and what makes you so sure that THEY out of all of us is the most town of all?
When did I call your vote bad?
Oh. It was really everything else in your post that made me . Basically asserting that there are no tells at all and then going on to talk about how Messiah had dropped scumtells of some manner. It was silly.
I dunno. I do sort of think Messiah is town though.
Lord God might be scum.
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Bacde Im going to post quill post and you guess the alignment:
Quill wrote:Okay, I still don't get how this site's meta just gives people who vote randomly without reasons a free pass, but since that's apparently not enough to consider Kid A scummy and he's stepping up the pace in his last couple posts (#160 seems especially good) I'll back off.
Unvote: Kid A
Tbh, Not_Mafia's reasons for votes have been pretty weak thus far too, despite him including them:
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TL;DR: Voting Not_Mafia makes sense, although once again there's people already voting him who don't seem to have as good a reason to as they should.
Vote: Not_Mafia
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Ugh. UGH. I sort of want to lynch you just because I have all these hypothetical teams in my head and your alignment is a fairly big factor in some of my other reads although it shouldnt be. I hate it.In post 312, Bacde wrote:Lol I like axxle, he can be town
But I just told my QT buddy that Im going into overdrive this game (
because I need to appease Bacde
because fuck it Im reclaiming my throne of tunnels and hilarious lynching of people).LordGod is fucking scum, jesus christ. That defense of Leviathan was so backhanded and scummy, idgi. Just because a singular game existed where there were multiple factions, does not give Leviathan the excuse to be complete wrong about this game and then not get suspected for it. Wow.
Axxle -could- be scum. I really disliked his catchup post and I feel like hes putting too much effort into clarifying his actions/reads and it doesnt look natural, explicitly his vote on Bacde over Jargonaut.
Jargonaut What do you want to lynch Jargo for? This guy looks like textbook town to me, I mean for real. Im not gonna take a bullet for JArgo, but you will not find me on that wagon with a 11.5 foot pole.
implosion Ok Im going to waffle about this one. I reallydont know what to expect from scum implosion I guess. I like his posts so gar although my gut twitches a little as I read them just cause I think he may be trying to hard to be protown, but fuck it hes a town lean for now.
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Klazam - Town. Town as fuck. We aren't lynching Klazam ever so if hes scum this game is already lost. His blatant buddying me over my Leviathan read was town. Not lynch ever ever ever ever.
Quill - This game needs more quill posts. Also Bacde was right about Quil's alignment in Hard boiled (you didnt cheat did you?!? I'll give him that Quill has not posted enough for me to be confident about a read there, and I get mixed emotions form the "Im glad the Leviathan thing will be over soon" but fuck it, its town probably. Id rather not lynch it today.
Bob - ISO did not look as town as I hoped it would. Get in here and actually post something about your feelings, thanks.
Quill - This game needs more quill posts. Also Bacde was right about Quil's alignment in Hard boiled (you didnt cheat did you?!? I'll give him that Quill has not posted enough for me to be confident about a read there, and I get mixed emotions form the "Im glad the Leviathan thing will be over soon" but fuck it, its town probably. Id rather not lynch it today.
Bob - ISO did not look as town as I hoped it would. Get in here and actually post something about your feelings, thanks.
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hmmmmmmmIn post 177, Quill wrote:I wanted to say more but there really isn't much more to talk about yet, is there? I guess I can say that I'm not townreading anyone yet, including AP and Messiah Complex, but that's really more erring on the side of caution than actually thinking anything of theirs is leaning scum. From what I've seen in person and skimmed from other games, they're too good to trust at this point.
Bacde help me. Is this too waffly to be scum or is this just flatout scum logic and active lurking.
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Thats not true, you bust me when Im scum regularly. Just not this game. In fact I just finally came around to thinking you might be town, so gimme a little time to let that stew, ok?In post 318, Bacde wrote:Lets be real, you dont really care about my opinions because my reasoning never makes sense (even though it usually leads me in the right direction)
I hear your point on Jargonaut, but Jargo is town. I would potentially compromise on Quill but ONLY if I can say "I told yo so" after Quill flips town.
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Because scum never ever white knight townies.In post 320, leviathan93 wrote:@Pidgeon in the assumption of your post concerning our alignments and the statement of Lord God being scum, wouldn't that make BOTH of us scum? since he protected me an all?
Ever. ever. ever.
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Leviathan logic:In post 326, leviathan93 wrote:Yes, but in that case don't you think an experienced mafia player would KNOW that and be careful of the situation in which it occurs?
Also which one do you think is more likely to happen: whiteknighting, or mafia protecting mafia buddy?
or even better, townie trying to protect townie. =P
Im town.
Lord God called me town.
Scum would know better than to call me town.
Therefore Lord God is town.
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Lets see. There is a complete and utter lack of anything that looks like genuine town thought process in his ISO which is disturbing for him at this juncture.In post 327, leviathan93 wrote:Also @pidgeon, why do you think bipolar chemist is so scummy? i've currently thought he was nullish.
Look guys I meta's Leviathan!!In post 199, BipolarChemist wrote:Tsk tsk, AP. Assuming I don't do background research before asking someone to do something!
Horse shit. Hes so uninvested in this game that he made this post in an attempt to buddy up to me:
Then there is this gem:In post 159, BipolarChemist wrote:You people are weird. My church is the best, gosh. We may be few put we are powerful! I think, I don't really know, I haven't been paying attention.
AP, you seem nice, catch me up.
UNVOTE: AP
That Bacde read is actually terrible. Its like hes -trying- to be stream of thought about it, but its just a little dash of IIoA and nothing about it tells me that hes actually read a singular bacde post. Bacde is certainly NOT someone in this game that its acceptable to have an "IDK my BFF JIll" read on right now.In post 210, BipolarChemist wrote:Bacde is a big I don't know for me! His posts are pretty null, he's asking some questions, seems to be on an okay track, but nothing really concrete.
MC: I did look! And I said what I saw. Maybe you need to take a look again, I just can't see him being scum after his posts today.
AP: Nah, my church can't be converted while I'm alive. I'm pretty important, yo.
Despite me being a confirmed/known troll, he seemingly recognizes that Im claiming a guilty on him and doesnt bother to do what all the town aligned players did (question why I tohugh not-recruitable = scum) and instead just tries to get me off of his nuts in the quickest way possible without bothering to try and determine if Im town/scum/3rd-party-lyncher etc. ITs scummy.
And then he follows it up with a "QQ you made me out my role" which is just an attempt to look opinionated and townie and certainly doesnt match with him tripping over himself to spill his role info despite my post being out of place and everyone else picking up on that.
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Well I really can't argue that I guess.
Maybe scum have realized that Messiah is going to shoot you soon and they'd rather just distance from your flip since its probably going to happen? I don't get why you think scum is incapable of calling you town. I think you look fairly town. If I were scum, I'd probably call you town*. Its silly to assume scum will NEVER townread you if they are 'good'. Its not like there are so many obvious/confirmed townies running around this game, that scum NEEDS to ML you out of necessity.
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What do you think of Quill's post about you?
Maybe scum have realized that Messiah is going to shoot you soon and they'd rather just distance from your flip since its probably going to happen? I don't get why you think scum is incapable of calling you town. I think you look fairly town. If I were scum, I'd probably call you town*. Its silly to assume scum will NEVER townread you if they are 'good'. Its not like there are so many obvious/confirmed townies running around this game, that scum NEEDS to ML you out of necessity.
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What do you think of Quill's post about you?
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So BPC did commit a scumtell?In post 337, Bicephalous Bob wrote:
axxle how does ap's gambit make sense how could he possibly have knownbpc would commit that scumtell
VOTE: axxle
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He was aggressively mislynched on D1 that game.In post 335, Bacde wrote:Ap, that post of quill's that i guessed the alignment of, was it a d1 post?
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If Leviathan is scum, I will actually do that thing I told Kagami I'd do if he flipped town (and did). Chug an entire bottle of wine without stopping and post the youtube video in thread.In post 364, leviathan93 wrote:This could either be lazy town or scum. (well DUH!) but still. =P
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You know I hate it when all my scumbuddies are lurkers.In post 378, Bacde wrote:Ap, stop trying to bus bob and just keep bussing quill
I think Im just going to do this 1408 style. Bus Quill today over some obvious scumslip, then get mastin to replace Bob over Night 1.
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In post 275, Lord God wrote:Oz Mafia had only factions competing to win.In post 138, Messiah Complex wrote:so you think all the churches are individual cults (that all have town win conditions)In post 130, leviathan93 wrote:I am under the impression they aren't. an apparently someone was just converted so I see cults (under the name churches) as the enemy.
???
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=56&t=31833
No I meant this backhanded defense of Leviathan.In post 282, Lord God wrote:You're right. Please continue your interrogation of Leviathan. If you share any "Ah ha" moments with us regarding his alignment, it would be appreciated.
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Yes?In post 381, Lord God wrote:And why are you saying all of this while agreeing with me?
Sorry, I dont scumhunt people based on whether or not they like me and my opinions. That sounds like something scum would do.
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Its scummy because you quoted a game that Leviathan probably hasn't even read in defense of Leviathan thinking that this game has bizarre win conditions which it clearly doesn't.
If you wanted to be townie, you could have stepped up to the plate and passed some sort of judgement on Levi's posting rather than calling him town and pointing at a Red Herring.
If you wanted to be townie, you could have stepped up to the plate and passed some sort of judgement on Levi's posting rather than calling him town and pointing at a Red Herring.
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Hm ok, well I actually clicked the link and see that he was in it.In post 384, AngryPidgeon wrote:game that Leviathan probably hasn't even read
So Im just going to fall back on Desperado's point that the win conditions in this game in no way indicate that this is remotely similar to Oz mafia so your defense of Levi for having been in a game where there WAS alt wincons doesnt really fly and you are still avoiding passing a judgement on whether or not its reasonable for Levi to think what he thinks in this game.
Scum.
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Desperado is right that the town wincon here looks pretty damn standard and there is no reason for Levi to suspect that this is a crazy-ass multifactional whatever game.In post 386, Lord God wrote:It wasn't a defense of Leviathan, but you can definitely take it as one.
Then why the hell did you link that game?
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And 282 was DEFINITELY strongly implying that you thought there was a STRONG reason to think that Levi was town or would think what he does as town, w/o really going into it. Its a very leading and pointed way that you made the request and it immediately followed his response to you linking that game, so I am led to understand that you see that game as a valid reason to townread Levi here or otherwise find his posts about the gamestate 'null' at best.
Which is fairly backhanded and beating around the bush.
Which is fairly backhanded and beating around the bush.
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Well yes, if it was clear how you reached your conclusion about Levi town we wouldnt be having this discussion. All you did was link an alignment-madness game he was in, imply that it makes him town here, and then never actually talk about why you think Leviathan is town. And then you later denied that game being related to your townread on Levi in the first place, so now there actually is nothing to suggest you should be townreading Leviathan.In post 388, Lord God wrote:Not really sure how this is about liking you or your opinions. It's about how I reached the conclusion that Leviathan is town, and you reached the conclusion that Leviathan is town, but you dislike my conclusion. Can you clear that up?
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Not sure if swearing....In post 398, Bacde wrote:Lord god, lets focus on one scum at a time
or appealing to the player in this game.
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Huh. Well this is either blatnatly scum motivated or just really town.In post 405, implosion wrote:Second off in brief skimming I have realized that I didn't find axxle scummy; I found quill scummy. Yes. Their names are completely different. I have no idea how I managed to confuse the two either. But ALAS, I did.
I think its just really town.
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Probably town, but null enough that I wouldnt read someone over doing it.In post 409, Bicephalous Bob wrote:so who would you expect to add a playstyle disclaimer in his first post: town or scum quill?
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only if hes town. Also im in a lol game, more from me in a bit!In post 446, Bacde wrote:AP is your vote on quill a bus?
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Huh? You just said in the scum QT that you thought this was hilarious. Why is it awkward now?In post 449, Bacde wrote:I'm sorry about thinking you were scum earlier, I FEEL SO AWKWARD ABOUT THAT
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Dude. Can I mock you endlessly when this troll flips town? I swear to Lord God that Quill is just too stubborn to be scum. I dont know. Im not exactly sober right now and Im chuckling to myself quite a bit as I post this. But like dude. Quill is just a townie. A hillariously town aligned player. Look at the sentences he posts.In post 451, Bacde wrote:Mild scumslip? What makes it an opinion and not a fact?In post 431, Quill wrote:I'm town. If I get lynched, it's a mislynch. Pretty much not gonna change thatopinion.
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I want you to reread this Quill post slowly. Just read it to yourself slowly. And again. What alignment of player do you think is arguing with you about the definition of being a mislynch. Hint: probably not a scum one. Can't you see a townie making this ridiculous post? I can. I mean its ridiculous. Its still town though in its own snowflake of a way.In post 454, AngryPidgeon wrote:Dude. Can I mock you endlessly when this troll flips town? I swear to Lord God that Quill is just too stubborn to be scum. I dont know. Im not exactly sober right now and Im chuckling to myself quite a bit as I post this. But like dude. Quill is just a townie. A hilariously town aligned player. Look at the sentences he posts.In post 451, Bacde wrote:Mild scumslip? What makes it an opinion and not a fact?In post 431, Quill wrote:I'm town. If I get lynched, it's a mislynch. Pretty much not gonna change thatopinion.
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I feel like I'm fairly readable. If you actually bother to look at my content, its there and very stream-of-thoughts. Yes I drop little tidbits like my joke at Bacde, but those are very minor and far between in my posts. Bacde also made a similar post ("Why cant I motiviate Quill to look town") and you haven't commented on Bacde in this regard. Why not?In post 461, Abelcain wrote:AP apparently being a known/accepted troll-type player is screwing up all my reads on him. Gut says town, brain retired from trying to figure out what he is after he talked about being in the scum QT in 453.
@Klazam: You just have to speak our language ^^. Which I realize not everyone does. But its easier to see the world in harmony when you are the one just posting nonsense and prodding at people.
Ok Bacde lets talk shop. I have a huge respect for your ability to read me. Bluntly, if Im scum, you are dead tonight. <- I say that to emphasize just how much I am scared of you as scum (rare for me to be scared of anyone, believe me) and I respect you as town. Im a bit shocked that you are still scumreading me. I think Ive been preeeeetty damn transparent at a few places and I think you are town..so what gives? What do I need to do to show you Im town? I wonder if you are biasing because I have different reads than you right now. Trolling is stiil a towntell for me btw ; ).In post 466, Bacde wrote:Abel is town
Ugh ap is scum but unless lord god is going to actually try to convince anyone who isnt already convinced (me) that wagon isnt going anywhere
Quill still scum
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This sentiment looks really town to me?In post 468, Quill wrote:Your note about the no-post wagons is interesting to me. The only common denominator between people who've been voting for me and people who are currently voting for Abel is AP, which isn't much of a surprise. I want to take today to make sure my vote is properly placed on Axxel, but if not I'm gonna come back to that.
Bacde if you are mafia I will make many sad faces post game. For real. I had something else to say....Oh right I didnt find Abel's latest post very town. Pretty weak excuse for waffling on me (me posting occasional 1 line troll posts) and goes after implosion for calling Quill scummy, but not really. I happened to agree with that implosion post, partially maybe because I have played a game where everyone thought Quill was scummy and mislynched them on D1.
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I would be pretty ok with a Bob lynch today. Bob is a person who posts things that I find scummy.In post 476, Bacde wrote:I have a feeling bcb will end up being the compromise lynch today which sucks because hes not my top scumread and he has a higher than average chance to be a strong pr
Oops did i just say that in thread
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Like this feels scummy to me ^. Focusing on defending himself from the weakest vote on the wagon by going after Bob. He sort of just writes me off as a troll and he goes after implosion's opinion on Quill which was a fairly easy thing to attack someone over even though I felt implosion's point on Quill made complete sense.In post 480, Abelcain wrote:If you have a justified reason to vote me, why did you wait until AP and implo put what look like "baseless wagon votes" on me?
Bacde is like the Pai Mei of trolling and I am merely on a rampage to kill all the scum.In post 480, Abelcain wrote:Bacde is less trolly than you are
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Damn it. I thought for sure I could get people to investigate me by claiming my GF role in my opening post.In post 489, Bacde wrote:Btw angrypidgeon i decided that I'm not going to cop you tonight since I already know you are scum and you are probably the godfather anyway (since you are recruitable and we know the nilla maf are unrecruitable)
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scum detected. bzzzt. bzzzt. AngryPidgeon has entered subroutine: "tunnel" until the termination of Bob. bzzzt. bzzt.In post 491, Bicephalous Bob wrote:I will get frustrated, break down and sell you out if you give up on me this early
Me too man. In fact thats why I was laughing last night - that was serious! I cant believe people read my posts and dont vote me immediately.In post 497, leviathan93 wrote:also it would really make me laugh if Pidgeon was scum.
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Dude.In post 562, Bacde wrote:vote angrypidgeon
Can you link me to a game where you correctly read me as town when you were town? You just made a claim that I don't believe you can make.
You killed messiah BC you were afraid of his dayvig. I recruited messiah to relieve him of your scumness, but too bad he died.
Do you have anything to say about messiah's recruit choice?
This post is a scum claim. I dont need to have a game in which I read town-you correctly to be suspicious of you atm. In fact in that damn mini normal I felt the same way but wrote you off as town for setupspec reasons and that scumflip of yours makes me cry myself to sleep every night to this day (ok not really). Still though, I think its fairly ridiculous of you to go after me for this meta angle. Even if I HAVENT read you correctly as town (I have zero intention of arguing something so arbitrary, so I wont recall any of our games here), .... why is it unreasonable of me to think I know how to read you? Maybe I havent! Maybe I dont have a good reason for thinking Id know you were town if town. That doesnt make it UNLIKELY for me to genuinely believe it by any stretch. Vishnu knows Im capable of being stubborn and overconfident when Im on my stride. Tl;DR: I really am not buying that you think this is a salient point against me and I dislike you sending me on a meta goose chase for something so peripherally related to my ability to believe in the statement I posted.
Re Messiah kill: He was townreading me in the Pt which I can actually prove when I recruit someone tonight. Also he supposedly recruited you but Im not sure if you joined the PT or not. Ut hasnt said if anyone joined. Why on earth would I think messiah would day vig me??? He was gung ho about a handful of people (levi?, bpc?, lord god?, implosion?). I dont remember which of those he mentioned here or in the Pt. But point being: WHAT? I actually have zero motivation to kill Messiah unless I wanted to be head of my now 1-person church, whoop-de-doo
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Ya I sort of think Bacde/Klazam is a thing.In post 569, Jargonaut wrote:There's probably scum within {Bacde, Axxle, Klazam}
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You are like simultaneously just reiterating your original point against me and simultaneously pretending I didn't just explain that I dont have a good reason for FEELING like I would. Let me comment on myself. I believe my town game is REALLY easy to see. I feel like, as scum, Im just sort of ~around~. I see a bit of myself in you and I feel like a similar methodology can be applied to reading you. town-you is blatantly town. Scum you is just sort of ... in the game but not really ...I dunno. Im not going to pretend I have a hilariously good reason for thinking I can read you. I think you aren't town, GG no re. You seriously are going to argue that I SHOULDNT have any read on you cause I suck at it? Jump in a lake.In post 574, Bacde wrote:You are often overconfident angrypidgeon, i'll give you that. But i want to know why you think youd know if i was scum or not. Because i literally cant think of a single instance of you correctly reading me, though i can provide a LOT of evidence of me accurately reading you. And right now im reading you as scum
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Yes true I am when Im not getting owned by you in all the games Im scum. But I actually am town this game and you do realize that us both being ML'd is a ticket straight to lylo?In post 575, Bacde wrote:Btw im down to be lynched today if it means angrypidgeon gets lynched tomorrow no questions asked, because thats how dangerous angrypidgeon is as scum
So while this sentence sounds like something you believe, it sounds disingenuous. Also Im upset you didnt join my PT, I told Messiah it should help me read you cause my tnhoughts there should have obvtowned me to you . But thats IMO.
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You have got to be kidding me.In post 576, Bacde wrote:when ap is the one who manipulated the bcb lynch
Seriously. You have to be.
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Literally half of your posts this game Day?In post 586, Bacde wrote:When did i say you shouldnt have a read on me?
I said I don't think you are town.
you say "Lol Ap you shouldn't know when Im not town cause you suck at it".
That has been the blunt of your posting Today.
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BPC is not a townread for me.In post 590, Bacde wrote:Look at how bad bpcs vote is on me. Seriously, pretend you are me and town, and look at bpcs vote. What do you think?
I want to think about him more.
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So you are arguing that I should not be CONFIDENT about a read on you.In post 591, Bacde wrote:I said that it makes no sense for you to KNOW (caps was your choice) if i am town. Since its never happened before
I'm telling you that I am and its not irrational
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Im playing League atm but been thinking about this.
I keep mulling over what I want to say to you and keep coming back to wanting to just reiterate my point and hope that you understand why Im right, but thats defo not going to progress this. Just saying - thats how silly I find this pressure on me.
Random sidenote: I read your post about Klazam and misread 'lynched' to mean Messiah and I was like "wait how did you know they expressed paranoia of Klazam overnight", but yeh. I mentioned I disliked Klaz's last couple posts of D1 and Messiah agreed that that + the Bob flip looked bad on him.
I keep mulling over what I want to say to you and keep coming back to wanting to just reiterate my point and hope that you understand why Im right, but thats defo not going to progress this. Just saying - thats how silly I find this pressure on me.
Random sidenote: I read your post about Klazam and misread 'lynched' to mean Messiah and I was like "wait how did you know they expressed paranoia of Klazam overnight", but yeh. I mentioned I disliked Klaz's last couple posts of D1 and Messiah agreed that that + the Bob flip looked bad on him.
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I actually had something to say last night but didnt cause had to do other things, but here it isIn post 594, Bacde wrote:Confidence is cool, its the angrypidgeon i remember
Why is it bad for me to refute you with evidence? Is scum more likely to use evidence than town?
You aren't providing any evidence contrary to anything. Your case is that it doesnt make LOGICAL sense for me to believe I know how to read you and claim that I havent been able to in the past.
My response is this:
1) Screw you, nice discredit.
2) Do you expect me to be a robot? Yes maybe if I were a 100% logical/thinking player rather than an impulsive/feeling player, I might evaluate my own ability to pass a judgement on you before doing it. Maybe I would be extremely explicit about my read not being as reliable as it could otherwise be given my track record. The thing is, Im NOT an 100% logical/thinking player, Im impulsive and slightly on the feeling side of the thinking/feeling spectrum. And I don't particularly feel that my inability to have read you as town correctly makes my abilities any less valid here.
3) You know if I were really confident you were scum, I wouldn't be arguing with you in hopes that we can come to understand each other. Sometimes you just have to fake confidence and roll with it because deep down you have a deep fear that you might be wrong, but instead of letting it cripple your gameplay or slow you down, you just do what you think needs to be done and fake some confidence.
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You haven't actually provided evidence for anything. You are pushing a super contrived case on me based on pretty old games that is based on the assumption that I should have a crippling doubt about my ability to play games with you because I failed in the past. Which I dont have. Maybe that is TOTALLY ILLOGICAL of me to be this way. That doesnt make it out of the realm of human possibility by any remote stretch of the imagination and its not irrational in the slightest for me to believe I can read you.
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You are at that point now that if I waffle you back over to the mehtown side of the fence and end up wrong, Im never going to forgive myself.
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It really just depends on what type of player you are. I read town-motivated trolling as such fairly accurately because it resonates with how I think when I play.In post 604, Lord God wrote:Yes. Makes you wonder at why town would ever do it.In post 463, Klazam wrote: I hate when people are trollish- harder to divulge scum motivation.
People who play the game 100% straight and w/o a single instance of humor or emotion are kind of cold on my radar because I have a hard time getting inside their head. I dont care if their logic is flawless or terrible, that is ultimately a reflection of how much respect I will have for their brain power, not my opinion on whether or not their logic is dedicated to achieving a scum or town win. At least early on. This post can probably be ignored seeing as how its not super relevant to the game.
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Does this post make any sense to anyone? Cause I keep reading it and scratching my head, and I dont get it.In post 565, Axxle wrote:I assume there were other people in your PT? I know I didn't believe MC's claim about being a dayvig when he didn't do so in thread, so anyone in there is suspect.In post 564, AngryPidgeon wrote:He was gung ho about a handful of people (levi?, bpc?, lord god?, implosion?). I dont remember which of those he mentioned here or in the Pt.
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Off the top of my head at this moment in time*, my top 3 undesirables are Klazam, Axxle, Abelcain.
*Thor once accused me of having the attention span of a goldfish so take this as you will.
I dont really have townreads that I feel great about. I sort of like implosion for town but he doesnt feel like I remember him being exactly; I just like the things he says, so Im biased. Leviathan......I told Messiah last night that I wouldnt mind shooting Leviathan (mostly out of frustration over the Bob flip and just feeling unconfident about my Levi read). Levi makes a ton of sense for a MC kill, so meh. Townread there is up for consideration. Actually I think Quill is town; similar to Jargonaut read but a little less.
*Thor once accused me of having the attention span of a goldfish so take this as you will.
I dont really have townreads that I feel great about. I sort of like implosion for town but he doesnt feel like I remember him being exactly; I just like the things he says, so Im biased. Leviathan......I told Messiah last night that I wouldnt mind shooting Leviathan (mostly out of frustration over the Bob flip and just feeling unconfident about my Levi read). Levi makes a ton of sense for a MC kill, so meh. Townread there is up for consideration. Actually I think Quill is town; similar to Jargonaut read but a little less.
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Huh this post is outright terrible though. Nevermind, I reserve the right to waffle on Quill right now.In post 439, Quill wrote:Is it, though?
What are your thoughts on Axxel? I believe you're reading them as town at the moment; what am I missing?
At what level of "active-ness" will I suddenly become town in your eyes, assuming that all active players are town and all passive players are scum?
And while I don't find your vote-bouncing in itself suspicious, the fact that you went very quickly from thinking I was okay after a few posts to being aimed straight at my throat after a post from Abel is worrying me.
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Im not going to look at the PT right now to confirm this, but I think Messiah had a 1-shot Day recruit and was also able to recruit every night. He recruited me D1 and therefore couldnt also use a vig shot. He attempted to recruit Bacde and Bacde has confirmed that he did get the opportunity to join us.In post 618, Jargonaut wrote:I'm still interested in this question. Also, AP, did you recruit anyone last night?
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Messiah's recruit on me was also apparently a 1x inventor shot. It removed two of my abilties. It removed the one about always investigating as town. It also removed an ability I had about "if I were converted by a specific religion Id form a mega-church with that person" or something. It gave me a 1-shot ability that I used last night. I did not attempt to recruit anyone last night because I was using the invention.
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Ok couple of questions then.
Why did you say I manipulated the Bob wagon?
Are townies more likely to be decisive than scum? TBH I waffle more as town than scum by a longshot. Mini 1408? I was like "guys Thad is scum, Im gonna cry if we dont lynch him" and people let me skate on that crap all game.
I had another question for you but I cant remember what it was now. Uhhh.
Why did you say I manipulated the Bob wagon?
Are townies more likely to be decisive than scum? TBH I waffle more as town than scum by a longshot. Mini 1408? I was like "guys Thad is scum, Im gonna cry if we dont lynch him" and people let me skate on that crap all game.
I had another question for you but I cant remember what it was now. Uhhh.
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OMG. I just noticed this.In post 576, Bacde wrote:Like for instance, why did ap try to seem town at the beginning of the game? He even admitted that he put sincere effort into appearing to be town. What sort of town player does that?
Once again, you can't be serious.
Also, I meant to make a snooty point earlier but forgot. Why do YOU have reason to believe that Im dangerous as scum? Lets think back...
That open game. I got vig'd N1. By KBW, for shame.
That newbie game. I lost horribly on D3 after picking fail NK targets and getting PoEd out.
Goonies. We lost. I was undersuspicion all game.
So I dont know why you are arguing that Im so dangerous when Ive done nothing but tank in my scumgames with you.
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Actually I recall mastin being on to me in the open. I remember bussing Fuduzn out of desperation and derp near the end of D1. The only reason we wont that game is because DeasVail replaced obvscum GNR and sweet talked his way to victory.In post 627, Bacde wrote:And mastin being unwilling to think you were scum in the open
You'll forgive me if I downplayed any evidence of you reading me well when I have strong evidence that you are not reading me well right now, lol. Which is also why you seem crazy to me right now Im sure.
And ya, Im very frustrated that you've started making short posts, they are harder to construe to benefit my scum wincon.
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Dude, you promised me and Bacde in the PT last night that you'd stop lurking so hard.
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Im sure there is n amazing reason you have for posting this.In post 639, Quill wrote:it seems pretty unlikely that BOTH bacde and AP are town.
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I swear to Lord God that Im town.In post 650, Bacde wrote:Ap im too paranoid about you to effectively answer my opinions about posts, because i keep feeling like you might be misleading me. But you can bet that if a maf flips "aligned with the devil" that levi will be instalynched
I feel dirty as I type this because if you are scum and trying to get me to eat out of your hand....its working ><
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I'm sorry and/or this post is scummy anyhow.In post 655, Klazam wrote:That's fair, but to be honest- I'm a bit overwhelmed by the amount of posts AP and Bacde makes. So much noise and ugh...
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Ok so you have townreads on u that you don'tfeel amazing about.In post 661, Klazam wrote:It's because I'm seeing towny-feeling posts from bacde, and I can't reconcile that messiah nightkill with you being scum- You seem to be arrogant enough to attempt and direct his dayvig somewhere.
I dont see why you stopped to ask us if we can both be town. Its not like we are both going
"BACDE IS A SCUMFUCK. IM RIGHT SCREW YOU. BACDE IS SCUM AND IM GOING TO DANCE ON HIS GRAVE. YOU ARE ALL WRONG AND IM RIGHT, THERE IS _LITERALLY_ NO WAY HES TOWN"
its more been like
"Ugh I dont know. Maybe Bacde is town. I want to believe it but I dont want him to have the last laugh."
So I dont get why you are asking us a ? with an obvious answer.
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Boo you whore. Stop sheeping Axxle's case on me.In post 670, Bacde wrote:I cant imagine messiah being killed unless the scum knew that his dayvig was real
IDK, who would you kill if you were scum in this game Bacde? I sort of expected one of us to die tbh, but I can see us both staying alive for various reasons. Messiah was actively doing things and was not really a viable mislynch at all. Who would you kill? Leviathan? No Jargonaut? Mehhh? BPC? No. Quill? No. Klazam? Maybe. Lord God? Mehhh? implosion? I could see it, but hes not doing much. Axxle? Hmmm.
I dunno I just dont see anyone who is a glaringly obvious scumkill to make. Messiah makes some sense to me seeing as how he is a doublevoter and showed signs of independent thought (VERY anti-church)
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In post 779, BipolarChemist wrote:You seem to be following along with whatever is popular right now. Care to give some extra reasoning on why you think abelcain is scum? Any comments on the thing that happened a couple pages ago?In post 764, leviathan93 wrote: what? i'm defending myself? i don't have a need to defend myself today you are right.
oh. and reading the thread. I like klazam now. just saying.
but i am suddenly suspicious of Abelcain.
UNVOTE:
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If Messiah was town, I feel very unlikely that abelcain is town as well.
I'll follow this Abelcain thing, see where it goes for now
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Ok so I kind of don't like this post. It doesn't feel genuine to me and I can see scum making it to buddy up to any number of people (especially Bacde if hes town).In post 677, BipolarChemist wrote:So how does one properly read AP? I'm kind of at a loss
In post 694, BipolarChemist wrote:I reflexively role cop people when they try to convert me at night. Why is one of your active abilities a factional night kill? Also, the bit about /r/athiesm posts made me lol.
Deep in my soul, I want to just throw fire at Klazam and BPC for this exchange. Im tying to work out if that is a justifiable opinion. It just feels like Hiraki/ISO did in Zelda mafia where Hiraki Dayvig'd his bulletproof buddy. Ugh. Questions Klazam over having a factional NK...which seems pretty ridiculous to be able to divine if you are a town Rolecop...that basically makes you a reflexive Cop if you can see who has a factional NK, lmao. So, Im torn here. Im not sure why as scum/scum BPC would lock Klazam into this situation unless Klazam has an extra scum-shot or something to 'prove' his role. Which seems op. Nothing else seems extremely likely either, I just have a hard time seeing BPC's role getting back 'factional NK' if town and I dunno how I feel about Klazam's part in this debacle exactly.
Please explain this whole process very carefully to me. What exactly did you learn last night? What info does your role give?In post 676, BipolarChemist wrote:Can confirm. This neckbeard tried to recruit me. I don't think it's good to excuse all unrecruitables as town.
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In post 704, BipolarChemist wrote:Oh boy, I'm not sure what to think of your reaction here. All of what I said was true, except the factional kill part. And my claim does make sense, please read again.
Ugh ok. OK.In post 706, Klazam wrote:^^Either you guys choose to believe BPC's claim and hang me, or scum kill me because conftowndness after you guys hang BPC.
Charizard, use firespin on BipolarChemist!
Its super effective!!! VOTE: ScumChemist
I think its scum theater. I might be dumb. I might be 100% wrong. I might be driving this crazy train right into the ground....but I think Klaz/BPC are scum together.In post 729, Bacde wrote:He obviously didnt try to fully fake a guilty on you until i asked about it, and then went into rxn test mode
There is no proof, its just whatever they both say. BPC is like "Ya Klaz is mafia lmao". Klaz is like "No Im not, Im an athiest and my powers are XYZ" BPC says in retort: "Oh thats cool, I was just kidding about you being mafia". There was no proof of anything in there, elaborate? It just all looks fake to me. Fake edit: Oh, he did call Klazam 'leaning town' at the start of the Day. Still, I don't think BPC ever intended to fake a guilty on Klazam here. There is not enough purpose/force behind his posts.In post 730, Bacde wrote:Do notice that he didnt back out until you had essentially proved he was lying
Ugh and its posts like this that make me so paranoid/uncertain/waffly.In post 750, implosion wrote:i actually read what bpc had done and i am completely willing to write off bpc as town. As well as klazam.
Why on earth do you think this? Why are you lumping both together and writing them off? You scum with BPC?
ftfyIn post 756, Quill wrote:Wait, sorry, that's sort of a dumb question withan obviousnoanswer. If you said something specific when you sent in Flying Spaghetti Monster to suggest atheism, that'd begood to knowirrelevant, but it's obviously not the sort of thing you're lying about sinceBPC could have immediately called you on it.there is literally no reason for anyone to lie about that sort of thing
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In post 765, leviathan93 wrote:but then again, I am SUPER confused about how this game is supposed to work. everyone is recruiting everyone else, does that mean their alignment changes?
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I wish I could man, I wish I could. He really would have to be the worlds cheekiest mofo to be making posts like 765 as scum. That said, I told Messiah last night that I wanted to shoot Leviathan anyways for fun because I just can't stand the niggling paranoia that hes secretly posting all these ridiculous posts and laughing in the mafia PT in all caps about how dumb we are for not lynching him post-haste.In post 770, Bacde wrote:Angrypidgeon get in here and tell me Levi is scum
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In post 788, implosion wrote:I'm not voting abel right now
In post 790, implosion wrote:is there just a trend in this game of people saying that i'm voting for people who i'm not voting for
In post 792, implosion wrote:it's okay, I can forgive you.
Also i'm slightly tempted now to vote for Abelcain without giving any reasons. Although I guess wanting to get the game moving is a reason in and of itself. There are also too many people that I have townreads on to various degrees, and he isn't one of them.
VOTE: Abelcain
He was one-shot if that matters to you. He could apparently use it on Day or night ,but not at the same time as any other action. He recruited me D1 and Bacde N1 and was going to shoot one of {LordGod, implosion, BPC, levi} D2.In post 795, Lord God wrote:If Messiah was really vig-capable, then I could see AP wanting that variable out of the way. With that said, I also think AP would try to get at least one townkill from it.
Ok, My current fantasy scumteam 2014 picks are implosion, Quill, BPC.
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I'm here for you, ;(
I've seriously had the same issue. The only person I dont want to vote after reading their posts is Jargonaut and even then Im not THAT sure of my townread there.
Abelcain - Focus on Bacde/me being trolls and not much else is
Bacde - Ugh please be town. I dont even have a good tangible reason for thinking you are right now except you seem genuinely vested in solving things.
Leviathan - Going for broke with the derp act or is actually just town and incapable of grasping the multiple neighborhoods concept. I guess. Basically, Im just going to let Levi skate and then rub bleach on my eyes when he endgames me.
Lord God - ehhhh?? I dunno. I kind of feel like his train of thought comes from town. I can follow what hes thinking at places at least and none of it looks contrived I guess. So sort of a null read, leaning town because other people are sketchier.
Axxle - MEh? Gut? Pressure on me for the Messiah thing makes sense from town and I can see scum being a little hesitant to put their hand in THAT cookie jar.
Klazam - He comes out looking better than BPC does in their little exchange. I -can- see the town motivation in trying to test BPC's claim. Its a little hard to see a scum-Klaz/town-BPC scenario for me. He said a couple things that make me nervous but I did like his blatant buddying of me over my Levi read D1. Also sortof sheeping MEssiah's townread here a little.
Jargonaut - If he were scum, I'd know . I just dont think this guy is nervous at all. Feels kind of along for the ride, but not in a forced way. Train of thought looks legit and I just sort of see where the posts are coming from even if they aren't like flash0bang-wow posts.
I've seriously had the same issue. The only person I dont want to vote after reading their posts is Jargonaut and even then Im not THAT sure of my townread there.
Abelcain - Focus on Bacde/me being trolls and not much else is
and easy place for scum to hide
probably town motivated. I mean I can see someone caring about our posts that way, I think its just horribly misguidedly unhelpful in a town way.Bacde - Ugh please be town. I dont even have a good tangible reason for thinking you are right now except you seem genuinely vested in solving things.
Leviathan - Going for broke with the derp act or is actually just town and incapable of grasping the multiple neighborhoods concept. I guess. Basically, Im just going to let Levi skate and then rub bleach on my eyes when he endgames me.
Lord God - ehhhh?? I dunno. I kind of feel like his train of thought comes from town. I can follow what hes thinking at places at least and none of it looks contrived I guess. So sort of a null read, leaning town because other people are sketchier.
Axxle - MEh? Gut? Pressure on me for the Messiah thing makes sense from town and I can see scum being a little hesitant to put their hand in THAT cookie jar.
Klazam - He comes out looking better than BPC does in their little exchange. I -can- see the town motivation in trying to test BPC's claim. Its a little hard to see a scum-Klaz/town-BPC scenario for me. He said a couple things that make me nervous but I did like his blatant buddying of me over my Levi read D1. Also sortof sheeping MEssiah's townread here a little.
Jargonaut - If he were scum, I'd know . I just dont think this guy is nervous at all. Feels kind of along for the ride, but not in a forced way. Train of thought looks legit and I just sort of see where the posts are coming from even if they aren't like flash0bang-wow posts.
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I meant that BPC looked worse than Klazam. As in, I find Klaz-scum/BPC-town less likely out of that exchange than the reverse. Although TBH I really didnt like the exchange at all. Would douse both parties involved with kerosene and matches.In post 817, Jargonaut wrote:AP, why did the exchange between Klazam and BPC make BPC look worse than he did before to you?
I dunno, why didn't I like it? I really wish I could say what it is about it that bugs me (other than everyone climbing over each other to shower town points at this little backandforth).
I disliked BPC pressing Klazam over the difference between atheism and Pastafarianism because it just feels like a pointless inquiry. I know Quill is mostly the one that asked about this.
[url=http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 902350Post 723[/url]is like... really? I don't know. I think it just looks bad and I don't know why.
I also disliked 718 where he tries to get someone to point to scum motivation in his gambit. I think town players are more likely to focus on why their actions are town. Scum players are more likely to try and argue that their actions are not scummy. And maybe there ISN'T explicit scum motive behind this. Maybe BPC just wanted to prove his role by claiming it in the thread so that he looks townish for it. Maybe hes just doing random things so people townread him. And he went from "IDK what to think!!" to "Ok that reaction was pretty town" in < 1 minute between his posts. Which looks pretty over-the-top to me and I dont see anything in his posts that indicates he is analyzing this in a genuine way.
Klazam...IDK just also felt a little clunky in this exchange. Damn it. ISOing these 2 clowns is making me want to revote them. Quill/BPC/Klazam team? Im not sure why he full claims in response to BPC saying he has a factional NK. Just sort of ... ok I guess? Then he calls BPC scum for his reaction to me despite BPC having already accounted for that. I dunno, I feel like Klazam as town should have wondered if BPC was gambiting about all this? Instead he sort of hints that its possible but never says anything about maybe it being the case. I dunno.
I dislike the latter half of this. There are alignment-indicative roles in the game? BPC knows that his role doesnt work on them? It explicitly says that? I mean...mmmmmIn post 708, BipolarChemist wrote:I was very iffy on your Bob vote and the more I thought about it the more I was worried you were scum. You had already came out as a recruiter and I know your roles, so I figured that it couldn't hurt to run a gambit!
My role cop thing only shows non-alignment indicative roles, so I wouldn't be able to see factional kills or anything.
SKETCH. V SKETCH.
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BPC makes me nervous. I like a lot of his points, but I cant shake the feeling that he is making good points for conclusions that he already knows. I did sort of like him asking me why non-recruitable = scum at one point since apparently he cant be recruited. Meh.
MEH. I'd lynch it but not feel great about it.
MEH. I'd lynch it but not feel great about it.
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Ok I think Im alright with one of the following lynches today:
Quil, Levi, Axxle
If we aren't lynching one of them then maybe Implosion or BPC. But Id like to stick to lynching in the top group as of right now. \o/.
Forever a waffler. Now which of these clowns has the most votes.
VOTE: Leviathan
Can we have this LEviathan lynch for great justice?
Quil, Levi, Axxle
If we aren't lynching one of them then maybe Implosion or BPC. But Id like to stick to lynching in the top group as of right now. \o/.
Forever a waffler. Now which of these clowns has the most votes.
VOTE: Leviathan
Can we have this LEviathan lynch for great justice?
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Gosh somebody is being a negative Nancy.In post 889, Bacde wrote:Axxle is going to flip town and i will die tonight
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You seem to miss the part where I unvoted Axxle.In post 896, Bacde wrote:If angrypidgeon was town he'd give a rat's ass about my reads and not dismiss me so easily as a negative nancy
Im tired of addressing this though because if i talk with angrypidgeon he will sway me back to the dark side
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Post 901 raises some valid points.
I deleted a post so I fixed this number
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It looks like we have a reasonable amount of time before deadline, sense we dont actually have a DL yet. Im going to be V/LA tomorrow and I dont think I can get to this today very much.
In fact Im going to be slightly tied up until Monday, enough that I wont feel comfortable with my ability to reread objectively and carefully and get a better grasp on the game.
Bacde, why did you accept Axxle's religion over Messiah's? Did you know/suspect I was in Messiahs?
In fact Im going to be slightly tied up until Monday, enough that I wont feel comfortable with my ability to reread objectively and carefully and get a better grasp on the game.
Bacde, why did you accept Axxle's religion over Messiah's? Did you know/suspect I was in Messiahs?
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IDK, I guess you didn't know who was offering the recruits? If you suspected you could join mine, I thought you would have.In post 910, Bacde wrote:Guys, this really isnt that hard to grasp, i feel like ive repeated this a lot today
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I've considered a lot of things. My thoughts are all jumping around this game which is why I want some time right now.In post 917, Bacde wrote:Why didnt you consider axxle-scum bacde-town?
I do think this is plausible. My last post was mostly focusing on you because you are at the center of my waffling right now.
Also, partial claim time although it doesnt look like it'll matter for the time being: if I ever die at night, Abelcain is confirmed town.
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Only scum would want to have fun when there is SRS BZNESS to get down to.In post 910, Bacde wrote:fun
Bacde, lets get down to bzness.
To defeat.
The scums.
Did they send me lurkers?
When I asked.
For town.
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AP is probscum for posting elsewhere but not here ; )
Ugh, Ive just been way too busy with things.
Im still town. Still feeling shitty about my reads this game and hoping to get time to rectify that.
I am free tonight so if I don't deliver anything amazingly waffly and irrelevantly extravagant by midnight pacific, just wagon me into oblivion.
Bacde, would you 1v1 me as scum >.>, I really don't think you would but fuck.
Catching up what I havent read right now.
Ugh, Ive just been way too busy with things.
Im still town. Still feeling shitty about my reads this game and hoping to get time to rectify that.
I am free tonight so if I don't deliver anything amazingly waffly and irrelevantly extravagant by midnight pacific, just wagon me into oblivion.
Bacde, would you 1v1 me as scum >.>, I really don't think you would but fuck.
Catching up what I havent read right now.
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1) Why would I admit in thread that I KNEW he had a dayvig if I killed him because I was the only one that knew he had a dayvig? Just sit on that one for a bit and get back to me. I'm sure you'll have a very eye-opening answer for me.In post 939, Axxle wrote:I can only really see three types of people making the messiah kill.
1) AP who was scared that messiah would dayvig his partner (or himself).
2) levi who messiah was heavily hinting he would shoot.
3) Someone wanted the double vote. Lord God got it but AP was next in line for the vote.
2) Ya. Can't really argue that, Messiah and (Bacde?) had the biggest hard-ons for killing Leviathan. In the interest of me not being an extremely logical person though, Im gonna trust my intuition on this being a meh point. Not necessarily accurate or inaccurate. Deal.
3) Meh. Im literally the only person in my religion right now. I guess you could argue that I wanted it, but Im not in a church of 1 and I had Messiah eating out of my hand anyhow so there is pretty zero motivation for me to take away that doublevote by extension.
God, Im making a post that mastin would make and people are going to scumread me for it. Fuck it.
Like, Im the only obvious townie in this thread (IMO and everyone feel free to shit on me for saying it, haters gonna hate) so no you are kind of failing on this front.In post 939, Axxle wrote:1) I'm doing what I can this game. I might be a bit demotivated to find my own scum but I think I'm pretty good at finding town and finding the correct ones to sheep. (minus this post)
It very clearly was not a gambit. I can confirm beyond all doubt that Messiah had a dayvig. If he was faking all that, I will be deeply impressed.In post 942, Axxle wrote:I'm assuming (maybe wrongly) that when messiah failed to daykill levi that it was a gambit.
Ok man. I'd love to know how other people were confused and I wasn't. I ask you this: who would YOU kill as scum? I didn't find the Messiah kill to be an obvious choice, but it also didn't seem like one to be confused over either. Messiah was being active, he was steering the town, he was softing a dayvig in the thread, and he had a PT with a strong town player (#deal). His NK did/does not really surprise me at all because I dont think he was getting lynched in the foreseeable future and he was putting effort into the game.In post 947, Bacde wrote:Seriously, who else would have killed messiah? Everyone seemed confused by the kill except levi because hes crazy and angrypidgeon because he felt that he had to justify his kill choice
It also hinges on the belief that I, as scum, would out a belief (that I am supremely confident that Messiah had a dayvig) that could point to motivation for me killing him. So basically its bullshit and fails to underrstand how I operate as a person. Im still trying to decide if that makes Axxle likely scum or not though.In post 948, Quill wrote:It seems to hinge on the belief that only someone in Messiah's religious group would be able to guess that, but that's not the case.
Hey BPC. How about. We have a showdown hoedown at the town center Today. Right now I think your emotion looks faked and Im willing to double down on this read right now cause I need some course in this game.In post 949, BipolarChemist wrote:Argh, guys, I wanted an Axxle lynch. Why are you unvoting? WHY? UGH.
Uh, real? What was fake about Axxle's claim? I sort of skimmed that post (or mostly focused on the parts where he called me scum for bad logic) but I dont remember him claiming much other than flavor which he most certainly has regardless of his alignment.In post 950, leviathan93 wrote:yeah, Axxle's claim is definitely fake or overexaggerated. honestly its probably scum. lets lynch him now and then his Buddy AP!
Klazam knows whats up. Kind of. The thing is there are a lot of factors that go into my scum night choices. Who my buddies are, who I think will never be lynched, who I think can be NKd without incriminating anyone, etc. So this is more on track with reality, but not the whole picture. Klazam read: undecided. Hope to fix that ASAP. I feel like Klazam and I could really connect if we tried, (so Id like to!). We both seem to be dominantly external-intuitive and I know I townread him at one point for matching my impression of some other's posts. Klaz we should talk in real time sometime this game.In post 955, Klazam wrote:I think Scum-AP, with how hes been playing, would think he could direct the kill
you know, I might agree with this. I think I may have been giving Implo a little bit of a pass this game causeIn post 964, Bacde wrote:Implo is scum you are right levi
[x] Hes calling me town
[x] I miss that guy
[x] For some reason I just want to be a hipster and buy into his excuses for inactivity
[] Im scum with him.
Oh Axxle claimed delayer, just read that.
I guess. Im used to devoting more time to this and Ive had confidence hits over a few games recently.In post 977, Bacde wrote:Dood just choose a read on me and stick with it, your waffling seems fake right now
Also I voted for BPC in the middle of this post then took it back.
Implosion still doesnt feel like he has in the past as town to me, but I just sort of like his excuses enough to not want to vote him and his last post sort of halted my intent of maybe voting him (I removed the BPC vote cause I was thinking about doing it).
Now I think Im just gonna do this for now and hopefully feel great about it later. VOTE: Bipolar Chemist
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Ok I cant actually support that Bacde read. Fuck it. I just WANT him to be scum this game cause if hes town hes throwing hard.
BPC probs is though, in fact I just ISO'd Messiah (something apparently no one else has done despite everyone else talking about motive for killing him?) and he was voteparking BPC most of D1. So I feel better about voting BPC.
BPC probs is though, in fact I just ISO'd Messiah (something apparently no one else has done despite everyone else talking about motive for killing him?) and he was voteparking BPC most of D1. So I feel better about voting BPC.
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Heh. Well if my hacky attempts to characterize BPC's personality and dive into the one spoiler post he made and determine who his buddies are based off how he talks about people are accurate, its BPC, Leviathan, Klazam scumteam. Lol. And ofc assuming Im right about BPC. I really do think Im right about BPC though. Can we just lynch him Today? And if we are determined to mislynch hilariously obvious town, we can lynch me and then ignore the fact that Messiah was voting BPC (cause only AP would want to NK him and ignore that AP thought BPc was scum (cause AP wsa lynched rather than NKd)? That'd be fantastic.
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