Mini 1602: Game Over

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VOTE: Flames

Whoop whoop

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Actually,
VOTE: Tammy
That condescension in post 16 feels like scum trying to brush off the srs vote from flames.

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Actually,
VOTE: Tammy
That condescension in post 16 feels like scum trying to brush off the srs vote from flames.

I don't know if your being serious, but flames's vote wasn't serious.

VOTE: tAmMy

Very serious vote pls lynch him

This vote came right after Tammy voted him (and corrected her capitalization), so yeah, I'm pretty sure this a serious vote.

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Actually,
VOTE: Tammy
That condescension in post 16 feels like scum trying to brush off the srs vote from flames.

I don't know if your being serious, but flames's vote wasn't serious.

VOTE: tAmMy

Very serious vote pls lynch him

This vote came right after Tammy voted him (and corrected her capitalization), so yeah, I'm pretty sure this a serious vote.

No it wasn't lol

In any case, Tammy's reaction to it was very scummy, regardless of whether the vote was serious or not.

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Phokd

you are threading in very dangerous waters

i applaud but you are gonna lose your life
if you keep going the way you are

I always lose my life, might as well lose it pushing scum.

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Regardless of me being hilariously wrong about the srsness of flames' vote, my point still stands about Tammy trying to play it off.

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Eh, still don't feel too good about Tammy, but rack's posting has been way worse. The "confusion" in the beginning then the vote and immediate unvote seems like scum.
VOTE: rack

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Eh, still don't feel too good about Tammy, but rack's posting has been way worse. The "confusion" in the beginning then the vote and immediate unvote seems like scum.
VOTE: rack

Trying to vote someone else to try to get votes off of you huh?

You mean all 2 of them?

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Eh, still don't feel too good about Tammy, but rack's posting has been way worse. The "confusion" in the beginning then the vote and immediate unvote seems like scum.
VOTE: rack

Oh, please.

VOTE: phokda

Nice omgus bro

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phokdapolees - Null-leaning town, actually. His push on Tammy doesn't feel like something that would come from scum-phokdapolees. Unless he has gained more confidence in being scum than I think he's more likely town.

Have we ever played any games together? All I can remember is that one marathon game that me and DV destroyed

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This is all you got? Really? "Nice omgus bro"?

I'm already voting him, what else am I supposed to say about it?

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For the record, the reason I took the exchange between flames and Tammy as not a joke is the fact that Tammy said "it's a good thing I'm already voting you, or I would have to omgus you" (paraphrased cuz I don't feel like having to quote it), not that I don't have a sense of humor :<

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This is all you got? Really? "Nice omgus bro"?

I'm already voting him, what else am I supposed to say about it?

Something that justifies your vote on him.

I believe I already provided that in my post voting him

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@AGar

Okay, time to come clean.

I have played with Tammy before (no, not telling you who I am).

I do know this is her towniness; I primarily wanted to gauge reactions from other players to my vague accusations. (And, in my mind, it worked. Pretty well, actually.)

Very convenient excuse to take his vote off of Tammy.

Not sure, but I *think* that confession post could be a blatant scumconfession trying to masquerade as a joke. Thoughts?

And this was a thought that Tammy already had and presented as her reasoning for voting Mala in the very previous post, yet he tries to pass it off as his own idea.

Anything else?

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@AGar

Okay, time to come clean.

I have played with Tammy before (no, not telling you who I am).

I do know this is her towniness; I primarily wanted to gauge reactions from other players to my vague accusations. (And, in my mind, it worked. Pretty well, actually.)

Very convenient excuse to take his vote off of Tammy.

Could be town bullshit. Already hit on this. Not buying.

Could also be scum bullshit, but w/e.

Not sure, but I *think* that confession post could be a blatant scumconfession trying to masquerade as a joke. Thoughts?

And this was a thought that Tammy already had and presented as her reasoning for voting Mala in the very previous post, yet he tries to pass it off as his own idea.

Two players can come to the same idea with independent thinking, y'know?

I know, but he presents the thought as if nobody has said it before, which seems to me like an attempt to be making content while just regurgitating what somebody else has already said.

Anything else?

Yeah. Look at Flame. Look at what I've said about Flame. Now look at how he's quick to defend Rack. They cooooould be scumbuddies. Like, it's possible. But I think it's more possible that Flame-scum is maybe hedging a bet on rack-town to get some credit in the event of a townflip. It seems way too early for hard defenses of scumbuddies at the moment. But getting in front of a burgeoning wagon? Seems like an ideal play to me. Gets him on the board for that.

This is a good point, but why would he defend him against the lynch so early in the game? There would be plenty of time to defend him against the lynch to earn towncred later on, not to mention the fact that this rack wagon could dissolve at any point.

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huzzah for quotestripes

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For the record, the reason I took the exchange between flames and Tammy as not a joke is the fact that Tammy said "it's a good thing I'm already voting you, or I would have to omgus you" (paraphrased cuz I don't feel like having to quote it), not that I don't have a sense of humor :<

Why would you think that was serious in the context of the entire exchange?

Cuz I'm dumb

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Prod dodge, will make real post tomorrow

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Chaos, if you had a stronger scumread on rack than Mala, then why did you decide to vote for mala to "get it out of the way" when the rack wagon is already developed?

Also, AGar is town, Tammy is meh, Riabi is meh, chaos is town, mala's meh, aneninen is town, implosion is scum (his reads list in 210 has scumreads of pretty much every easy mislynch), I'm obvtown, shaddow is meh, tman's weird, flames is scum (PoE), elias is town, rack is scum

Game solved

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Here, sorry

And I agree with Tammy, neil's introduction is pretty scummy.

VOTE: neil

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Actually, not the introduction itself (though I also find it weird how he didn't know which slot he replaced into), moreso these posts:

Scum catch up post? Taking their time to read through the game, make reads, further town information, etc.... is a scum motivated catch up post?

Tell you what Tammy, when you want to actually read my posts as I read through, then we can discuss it. Until then, keep your mouth shut. Mis-repesenting someone doesn't suit you well and further proves your scumminess. Consider this a free newbie mafia tip.

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Chaos, if you had a stronger scumread on rack than Mala, then why did you decide to vote for mala to "get it out of the way" when the rack wagon is already developed?

Also, AGar is town, Tammy is meh, Riabi is meh, chaos is town, mala's meh, aneninen is town, implosion is scum (his reads list in 210 has scumreads of pretty much every easy mislynch), I'm obvtown, shaddow is meh, tman's weird, flames is scum (PoE), elias is town, rack is scum

Game solved

Could you elaborate on your reads here?

What do I need to elaborate on?

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Chaos, if you had a stronger scumread on rack than Mala, then why did you decide to vote for mala to "get it out of the way" when the rack wagon is already developed?

Also, AGar is town, Tammy is meh, Riabi is meh, chaos is town, mala's meh, aneninen is town, implosion is scum (his reads list in 210 has scumreads of pretty much every easy mislynch), I'm obvtown, shaddow is meh, tman's weird, flames is scum (PoE), elias is town, rack is scum

Game solved

Could you elaborate on your reads here?

What do I need to elaborate on?

I don't know. It just seems like there isn't much explanation.

I explained everything I needed to

Can we lynch neil already, I'm getting bored

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Just saw scum try to fakeclaim cop on D1 in my last game in an attempt to "explain their actions", so not buying this

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Actually I lied. Mala if you want to look for scum on the wagon, let's look here first...

Unvote

VOTE: shaddowez

Reasoning coming after I take a shower.

This is quite the long shower

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prod dodge, sorry

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Chaos's reads list is really lazily put together, going after Oso, who's been scrutinized for most of the day, and anen and tman, who would most likely be pretty easy (mis)lynches. Plus chaos has been laying low for most of the game, which he also did in my mini normal, where he was scum.
VOTE: chaos

Agar makes some good points on Oso wanting to stay clear of his partner's wagon until he saw where it went and thinking he picked up on a "cop tell" from Tammy, and looking through Riabi's iso, he conveniently avoided giving any reads throughout his first few posts, and then is overly cautious about quickhammering in his post 184. From his one post after that, he calls rack, the biggest wagon at the time, scum and only gives one townread (Agar).

Also, here's flames' one full reads list-

Townreads - AGar, Elias, shaddowez, Tammy, mala
Scumreads - rack, phok,
Everyone else - Not really sure

I have already explained my reads for rack and phok, so I don't really need to explain more. Also what is White Knighting?

As you can see, he conveniently leaves chaos and Riabi in his "not sure" category, making a flames/neil, Riabi/Oso and chaos scumteam seem like a big possibility.

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@anen: True, you're not easy lynches at this very moment, but it'd be most likely be much easier to push a case and lynch on you or tman than anyone else. And I don't definitively know that you'd be mislynches, I was just announcing the possibility of chaos scum going after you two as opposed to trying to take on anyone else, and as such would be mislynches (which is what I believe at this point).

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YOU’RE BORING. BE MORE INTERESTING.

I'll try my best

Btw I didn't defend Oso, I said in that post that I think a neil/chaos/oso scumteam is the most likely possibility

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YOU’RE BORING. BE MORE INTERESTING.

I'll try my best

Btw I didn't defend Oso, I said in that post that I think a neil/chaos/oso scumteam is the most likely possibility

Yeah, I agree, maybe not so much a defend, but one of the first to kinda be like "Yo guys give some slack here", something that I think would be a possibly good thing for scum to be able to plant and point back to.

This is a blatant misrep, I never said anything like that. In my post 507, I said that I agreed with Agar's points, and even went beyond that and talked about Riabi's iso as well about my scumread on him.

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Chaos's reads list is really lazily put together, going after Oso, who's been scrutinized for most of the day, and anen and tman, who would most likely be pretty easy (mis)lynches.

Mostly just referencing this line here. Not calling it outright scummy, just something that I might look back at later. Many of the reads and stuff if my posts have been like that.

Saying that someone is going after the easy lynch =/= defending the easy lynch

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Still here, sorry, didn't realize it'd been so long

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Phok who is scum

chaos and BPC probably

Makes the most sense interaction-wise

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Interaction w/ each other or the flipped scum

Both

Chaos's reads list is really lazily put together, going after Oso, who's been scrutinized for most of the day, and anen and tman, who would most likely be pretty easy (mis)lynches. Plus chaos has been laying low for most of the game, which he also did in my mini normal, where he was scum.
VOTE: chaos

Agar makes some good points on Oso wanting to stay clear of his partner's wagon until he saw where it went and thinking he picked up on a "cop tell" from Tammy, and looking through Riabi's iso, he conveniently avoided giving any reads throughout his first few posts, and then is overly cautious about quickhammering in his post 184. From his one post after that, he calls rack, the biggest wagon at the time, scum and only gives one townread (Agar).

Also, here's flames' one full reads list-

Townreads - AGar, Elias, shaddowez, Tammy, mala
Scumreads - rack, phok,
Everyone else - Not really sure

I have already explained my reads for rack and phok, so I don't really need to explain more. Also what is White Knighting?

As you can see, he conveniently leaves chaos and Riabi in his "not sure" category, making a flames/neil, Riabi/Oso and chaos scumteam seem like a big possibility.

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yeah not really feeling the shadow wagon.

After reviewing VCA, I feel good about my lynchpool.

let's try this:
VOTE: phok

sleeping on associatives. coming back in the morning

How am I "sleeping" on them? I'm just pointing out that I think them most likely to be scum based on their interactions.

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How do you know it was a bodyguard and scum didn't just kill him directly?

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Two out of the eleven people alive yesterday when the ZZZX wagon would be much easier to push?

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Because scum only ever need one viable mislynch right?

There are mislynches that would've been way more viable than DV.

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Because scum only ever need one viable mislynch right?

There are mislynches that would've been way more viable than DV.

If they didn't want to go after the easy wagon, which is already starting to form.

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Why replace into a game if you're gonna be V/LA for two weeks straight

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Townread =/= bodyguard target

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So I was "freaking out" because I wanted you to provide solid reasoning for why you thought it was a bodyguard attempt and not just a scum NK on DV? Seeing as to how you still have not provided anything convincing (once again, townread =/= bodyguard target) it seems to me like you're just trying to clear BPC with no real substance behind it.

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Given your egregious conflation wrt scumtargets, I'm not interested in debating this with you. Your logic is either crap or you're scum. I don't really care if you are convinced.

I'm not asking for a debate, I'm asking for more solid reasoning than "DV had a townread on BPC, therefore that was a crumb and BPC was obviously who he targetted".

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get that they might have made a mistake in assuming.

I have seen no evidence of this.

Nor have we seen evidence of your DV crumb theory

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prod dodge

I will say that I like np's VCA tho

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Sorry guys, I've really been slacking on this game. I'll be doing a full reread tonight (possibly tomorrow if I don't finish) and posting my thoughts.