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He voted the same person I did
When I did it you decided I wasn't town
But when he did it your stance is that his wagon is a bad wagon
I don't understand the cause of the discrepancy, and I don't see how your question gains you insight into the legitimacy of the wagon
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↑ Anatole Kuragin wrote:Why did you vote him?
Because it was something to do? I mean, it was the second post of the game, I assumed that intention would be pretty evident
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↑ Anatole Kuragin wrote:Well technically it is self-evident that anything someone does is a thing to do because it was an action performed.
Ok, but I think this is especially appropriate sass on my part given that you're asking me about the second post of a game
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↑ Anatole Kuragin wrote:Do you think because it was your second post of the game you should be immune to questioning about it?
Of course not, but I do think me saying "Oh boy, no RVS!" and voting and then never returning to that subject paints a pretty legit picture of my intentions with that post to just "do something"
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Just because your whole conversation is contingent on a hypothetical that isn't even true, flubbernugget was saying that csarea was trolling about his lack of knowledge, flubber was not calling himself a troll. And flubber brought up that notion on his own whereas I provided no content in my initial vote
Similarly farside provided no content in his initial vote of flubber so I don't at all see the distinction between the two wagons that makes you so staunchly opinionated
Similarly farside provided no content in his initial vote of flubber so I don't at all see the distinction between the two wagons that makes you so staunchly opinionated
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I just don't see how you could extrapolate so much more meaning from my vote on csarea than from farsides vote on flubber (besides the "taking advantage of a noob" card which wasn't even true considering I didn't even push csarea when he responded to my vote) and use that to be so confident I must be scum. It seems ridiculous
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When I read through your posts regardless of content they came off as vindictive. I care much less about what you are doing in your posts. Do you currently believe that farside is even scummy?
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↑ Ki-Gi wrote:↑ MattP wrote:I just don't see how you could extrapolate so much more meaning from my vote on csarea than from farsides vote on flubber (besides the "taking advantage of a noob" card which wasn't even true considering I didn't even push csarea when he responded to my vote) and use that to be so confident I must be scum. It seems ridiculous
But I'm not confident you're scum, and said as much. We're three pages in. I don't understand the wagon on Flubber so I can't extrapolate anything from that. Your vote on Csarea seemed opportunistic. Not pushing, which helps, but opportunistic all the same.
All right. C'est la vie.
↑ mykonian wrote:↑ MattP wrote:↑ Anatole Kuragin wrote:Well technically it is self-evident that anything someone does is a thing to do because it was an action performed.
Ok, but I think this is especially appropriate sass on my part given that you're asking me about the second post of a game
I'm decidedly losing you here. Both of you. No clue where you are going with this.
What do you want from posting this and why exactly?
↑ Anatole Kuragin wrote:↑ MattP wrote:
When I read through your posts regardless of content they came off as vindictive. I care much less about what you are doing in your posts. Do you currently believe that farside is even scummy?
Pursuing a case without any reasoning at all, discouraging questioning players and their motives are the scummiest traits that have been displayed so far. I'm trying to let her explain why she's playing like this before I make up my mind.
So then just do what you do.
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I was going to most likely not
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to your case because I currently feel that anatole and you are both town and that directing attention to this discussion is counterproductive, but I was going to read it and if I did believe there was merit in the case I would do whatever made sense within the context of my position at the time, which would fall within these options {push anatole, shut up and let you talk, express agreement with the case}SlappyKrust
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↑ mykonian wrote:Any kind of response is a good response.
They are fancy sentences that say absolutely nothing. I do not understand why either of you is making them. They are no part of anything social, nor do they do anything to advance the game.
Would be very nice if you did have a clue where that was going.
Are you actively scumhunting when you ask or are you exclusively just confused about what we were saying?
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↑ mykonian wrote:↑ MattP wrote:↑ mykonian wrote:Any kind of response is a good response.
They are fancy sentences that say absolutely nothing. I do not understand why either of you is making them. They are no part of anything social, nor do they do anything to advance the game.
Would be very nice if you did have a clue where that was going.
Are you actively scumhunting when you ask or are you exclusively just confused about what we were saying?
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How is this a question. Apart from the posts surrounding my votes, does it even look like I'm actively scumhunting?
This actually doesn't explicitly answer my question!
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This is just not the first time I've raised an eyebrow at what you've chosen to scumhunt, or respond to, or be inquisitive about, or whatever you would call it. And I barely see any value in you gaining an understanding of the meaning of those two posts so much later in the game, and I've yet to find any of your choices natural in this game.
I was clearly receiving pressure from Anatole about my first vote of the game, and he mocked my response to his pressure so I reexplained myself, albeit with another mocking tone, and then he did the same thing again and then so did I and we had a mutual understanding while also being asses about it.
I was clearly receiving pressure from Anatole about my first vote of the game, and he mocked my response to his pressure so I reexplained myself, albeit with another mocking tone, and then he did the same thing again and then so did I and we had a mutual understanding while also being asses about it.
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↑ MattP wrote:↑ Anatole Kuragin wrote:Do you think because it was your second post of the game you should be immune to questioning about it?
Of course not, but I do think me saying "Oh boy, no RVS!" and voting and then never returning to that subject paints a pretty legit picture of my intentions with that post to just "do something"
To this transition in conversation from Anatole:
↑ Anatole Kuragin wrote:Ki-Gi, do you think it's likely that scum would drop a second-vote-on-wagon vote without explanation like that?
Implied to me that he understood my point and was moving onto focusing on Ki-Gi.
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There's no way you could play the helpless and confused cards and be scumhunting and expressing scum reads so timidly so early in the game and not be scum. None of your reads have any UMPH behind them and you're choosing the most bizarre things to focus on.
All of the louder players of the game have at the very least commented on a few of these traits of yours, and yet they're distracted. I'd like to point out that myko PROBABLY is displaying these traits because he:
1. is scum and is overwhelmed with the player base
2. is unable to overcome his admission of guilt and therefore can't push a town player hard enough
3. is biased in seeing town player's moves as townlike and therefore is reaching for unnatural things to call out so that at least it looks like he's doing something
I think if myko is scum you could pretty much figure out a bunch of people's alignments, but just from the get-go that Ki-Gi is town
P-edit: Csareo is a lazy vote this early in the game. It's not going to derive any information and he can be dealt with later.
All of the louder players of the game have at the very least commented on a few of these traits of yours, and yet they're distracted. I'd like to point out that myko PROBABLY is displaying these traits because he:
1. is scum and is overwhelmed with the player base
2. is unable to overcome his admission of guilt and therefore can't push a town player hard enough
3. is biased in seeing town player's moves as townlike and therefore is reaching for unnatural things to call out so that at least it looks like he's doing something
I think if myko is scum you could pretty much figure out a bunch of people's alignments, but just from the get-go that Ki-Gi is town
P-edit: Csareo is a lazy vote this early in the game. It's not going to derive any information and he can be dealt with later.
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↑ mykonian wrote:If I were scum I'd love to get away with playing like that.
It looks active, but makes little waves. Little of what he says can come back to him and the little that did got strung out to the point where nobody but farside and he read it at which point townies zone out and assume it to be 50/50 and let it be for the time being. It's a defensively strong playstyle, because with each post seems "useful", while in the end there are few results to show. What this game would need is wagons but in no way could anatole make them happen playing like that, so at no point he has to step out and let himself be judged on his stances.
The playstyle would work perfectly for scum, and have limited use as town. If only it made him scum.
Anatole's entire game so far has consisted of getting an early read on me, moving onto Ki-Gi, and immediately becoming swept up in a counter-productive 8 page argument with farside. The situation with farside was led by farside and Anatole was just indignantly responding, and I don't think indignance fueling 8 pages of crap is scum-motivated considering I've done that myself as town many times (and have gotten similar shit for it as anatole is getting now). I think you're being short-sided because you're not acknowledging that anatole certainly got the short end of the stick so far this game with being tunneled by a clear town farside and has been responding in a clearly natural way of someone who thinks highly of himself and believes the shit he is getting is ridiculous. He's trying to change to a more productive string of conversation by pushing a Csareo wagon now. Nothing he's done has set off any alarms in my head.
p-edit: Myko has explicitly stated he feels lost in certain portions of the game, has reads but noone will listen so he's given up on pushing and feels like he will just join a different game in 2 weeks. I think this is pretty insane given we're 24 hours into this game
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The reason I said this to anatole is because I believed that anatole was town and that this sort of response from anatole was going to be harmful to town (whether it gave scum the chance to hound on farside OR anatole as a result)
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↑ xRECKONERx wrote:tbf I'm already feeling very lost mostly because 10 pages in 24 hours is ridiculous and it's hard to get the oomph back if you don't have it from the start
But you made it seem like this was something meta-related for myko, y/n?
Well were 10 pages in because farside and anatole got into a fistfight.
I never brought up meta, myko brought up meta
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↑ mykonian wrote:Yes. But seen the responses I suspect this isn't really a productive way of using my vote, which is a pity. I'm waiting for a next place to put it down, so I don't really have interesting reads at the moment. Game is a bit meh apart from the flubbernugget wagon, but that'll take time to give something to talk about.
Its this sort of lackluster posting and lack of committed leads that makes me feel like you're struggling very hard to find a natural angle to scumhunt in this game
I think it's bizarre that you would have a dialogue like this with and regarding someone you are becoming more and more convinced is a scumread. You've barely even tried to expose him as scum besides your "bruh" comment, it would be nice to have actually seen more of an effort from you before you became so completely hopeless about it all and respond like that to a push from Ki-Gi
↑ mykonian wrote:↑ MattP wrote:Anatole's entire game so far has consisted of getting an early read on me, moving onto Ki-Gi, and immediately becoming swept up in a counter-productive 8 page argument with farside. The situation with farside was led by farside and Anatole was just indignantly responding, and I don't think indignance fueling 8 pages of crap is scum-motivated considering I've done that myself as town many times (and have gotten similar shit for it as anatole is getting now). I think you're being short-sided because you're not acknowledging that anatole certainly got the short end of the stick so far this game with being tunneled by a clear town farside and has been responding in a clearly natural way of someone who thinks highly of himself and believes the shit he is getting is ridiculous. He's trying to change to a more productive string of conversation by pushing a Csareo wagon now. Nothing he's done has set off any alarms in my head.
You aren't listening. Explaining isn't the issue, I can explain what he's doing, he's showing everything. It's not the logic of his play, it's the intention of it. It's defensive. The issue isn't wjether his play makes "sense" it's whether he would enjoy playing defensively as town.
I acknowledge he is playing defensively as town but I'm saying that it's not town motivation that could make him do it, it could be his ego, which is more town indicative anyway because a town player on a pedestal would be more likely to scoff at a scumread on him he believes to be ridiculous than scum would.
Huh? You said the last PAGE of the game. I'm saying my feelings have formed over the ENTIRETY of the game, which has been only 24 to 36 hrs.
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Oh, I get your point here. I wasn't calling you insane, I was using "insane" as a different way of saying "unbelievable"..."this is pretty insane" is not at all synonymous with "myko is insane"...
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↑ Espressojet wrote:Matt, can you please explain to me why you would like Flubber lynched?
Can't you just iso his 14 posts? I said it was a tonal issue, so it's not like you have to really read anything other than that and develop your own thoughts..
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↑ Espressojet wrote:Ok, sounds good.
Well besides me just being indignant, doesn't it make more sense for you to independently form an opinion given the extreme lack of effort that goes into it and then discuss with me? It seems pretty all-around more helpful for all parties.
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↑ xRECKONERx wrote:My god myko is town. I actually really liked his case on MattP :c but Mattykins I don't wanna lynch you
Uh what are you talking about, he never made a case on me
How could you say this and then sheep me without me even providing an explanation of my flubber vote
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How could you have confused me with TSO and have had it be "meta related". You had the same meta reason make me be scum as TSO?
Feels like you just randomly stated mykos case on me was good to seem like you had an opinion and then when we realized myko had made a case on
Feels like you just randomly stated mykos case on me was good to seem like you had an opinion and then when we realized myko had made a case on
TSO
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↑ xRECKONERx wrote:I was shocked by myko's case because there was actual thought and reasoning which is a huge departure.
I didn't say I agreed with it.
You did kind of agree with it though when you entertained lynching me.
↑ xRECKONERx wrote:My god myko is town. I actually really liked his case on MattP :cbut Mattykins I don't wanna lynch you
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↑ Anatole Kuragin wrote:don't know if Csareo's vote on me is any more scummy than Espresso's bullshit "reaction test" into "I think you may be a power role..", "HAHA I WAS WRONG YOU ARE TOTALLY SCUM LOOK AT YOU FLAIL!" after I make one comment about his case being dumb, into completely avoiding my asking him for reads which he said he would post "tomorrow" two days ago.
I was JUST thinking about this being the scummiest thing that's happened so far in the game, and then I ran into this thread to recheck it and saw the situation with vizak/reck/farside
Reck is town, but I need to look over some stuff
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I don't think Reck is super invested in this game, but I don't think he usually is super invested in games.
His tone and thought process (no matter it being mildly to moderately uninvested) is what makes him town. He's invested enough that I can see clarity and a pretty natural direction in where he is going.
I like Vezok's reads. I think Cstareo and Espresso are scummy. I like an espresso lynch, and the only thing that makes me iffy is farside's reaction to the cstareo votes. They are the first thing that made me severely doubt my town read on farside. But at worst, I feel more confident that farside, if scum, would not chainsaw so hard and would more likely be doing this if cstareo was a mislynch and she was looking forward to dismantling the game tomorrow and sending people off on reck / vezok lynches.
I want an espresso lynch today.
VOTE: Espresso
His tone and thought process (no matter it being mildly to moderately uninvested) is what makes him town. He's invested enough that I can see clarity and a pretty natural direction in where he is going.
I like Vezok's reads. I think Cstareo and Espresso are scummy. I like an espresso lynch, and the only thing that makes me iffy is farside's reaction to the cstareo votes. They are the first thing that made me severely doubt my town read on farside. But at worst, I feel more confident that farside, if scum, would not chainsaw so hard and would more likely be doing this if cstareo was a mislynch and she was looking forward to dismantling the game tomorrow and sending people off on reck / vezok lynches.
I want an espresso lynch today.
UNVOTE
VOTE: Espresso
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Just for associative tells tomorrow:
Farside has never even hinted at her stance on Espresso and has only asked him one or two very uncommitted questions that she never expanded upon afterwards.
Pedit: No, but this isn't an "active lurking" or "never posting content" thing, this is directly related to tone and the only things he's ever tried to be useful about
But why
Farside has never even hinted at her stance on Espresso and has only asked him one or two very uncommitted questions that she never expanded upon afterwards.
Pedit: No, but this isn't an "active lurking" or "never posting content" thing, this is directly related to tone and the only things he's ever tried to be useful about
But why
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↑ farside22 wrote:Can you explain why the bold makes sense to do as scum.
Also why you think this when ki was on you null list
This sounds like your saying I know it's a mislynch and will use it to lynch reck/vezo because of that instead of shitty fake reads and never mind ki being scum read for ever in a day?
You saying you ignore the later for a reason?
Ki was on my null list specifically, as I stated, because having been gone for 5 days made him fall out of my town list since reads fade over time without constant reminding. I thought Ki was town when he was actively engaged in discussion.
I explained in the post why it makes sense for scum to do. And I'm not entertaining the idea as something I legitimately care about / believe at this moment, it simply made me hesitant about who to lynch today in the condition you were scum, and entertaining the idea put me more at ease with lynching espresso over csareo since I highly doubt you as scum would have chainsawed csareo so hard, especially when reck came into the equation. I think it would be much more likely csareo was town were you scum.
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↑ Espressojet wrote:I've been reading throughout the game bit by bit. I have been since I started posting again, but I wanted to know how people would feel if I said I wasn't.
Nobody went for the bait, so there's no reason to continue.
VOTE: Anatole
This guy's been pushing every little thing, and he's been way overeager in everything he does. My guess is either scum or power role, but my money's on scum, I think it's more likely, and the way he was biting the hook made me feel even more from him.
Beyond me thinking this was ridiculous and fake
↑ Espressojet wrote:I speculate you might have a power role because potentially if others seem to agree with me on the fact that you are scum, instead of letting you get speedlynched it could give you a chance for a claim just so we don't fuck up. (It could potentially stop a mislynch if that happened to be the case)
And beyond me thinking this was ridiculous and fake
↑ Espressojet wrote:Lol, look at all this flailing.
There's no way he's a power role, I was wrong in that initial assumption.
This is a blatantly scummy feigned conclusion and complete mud-slinging
I don't like your antagonistic tone and moreover I don't like your rationalization of an Anatole lynch. I think unnaturally forwarding your agenda, and I think you're scum
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You don't even have a developed case on Vezok you've presented. You just quoted his catchup post and said "Thanks for confirming you're scum" and now you're saying anyone who doesn't agree with you is scum or stupid. It's ridiculous and over the top. And I think you're being really stupid / short-sighted that you don't see the only person agreeing with you is Csareo.
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Before I cater to you and explain something completely subjective, look at the last post and ask yourself how Espresso came to the conclusion that Anatole must not be a PR
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It's because I was already reading Ki-Gi as town and Vezok's posts came off typically what I would expect from Vezok town, whether or not I consider them quality posts. Good luck ever finding a game where Vezok demonstrates effort when delivering reads. Link me to a single town game of Vezok's where he was articulate with going through his reads
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Espresso says "Are you a PR? Because if that's the case then I want to give you a chance to claim before I lynch you" <--- What the hell does this even mean considering Anatole barely had a wagon / lynch threat on him at that moment
Next Anatole gives Espresso shit for that aforementioned statement
Then Espresso responds "There's no way he's a power role, I was wrong in that initial assumption." <---Nothing Anatole did warranted Espresso concluding that Anatole was not a PR, this is just ridiculous validation of Espresso's scum read on Anatole
Next Anatole gives Espresso shit for that aforementioned statement
Then Espresso responds "There's no way he's a power role, I was wrong in that initial assumption." <---Nothing Anatole did warranted Espresso concluding that Anatole was not a PR, this is just ridiculous validation of Espresso's scum read on Anatole
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Let's get this straight, farside is antagonizing my current reads in the game and I've not insulted her (besides her syntax because sometimes I literally cannot understand what she's saying)
You're the ONLY person I'm antagonizing because you're like a little yappie dog that isn't contributing anything useful to the conversation
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That's not true at all. And even if you believed it was true, it doesn't mean we should be ok with them considering you seem to think some people in each bloc are town and therefore are probably being manipulated by scum and we should put everyone on the right track??
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You said that vezok, reck, and probably me are scum. You think you and farside is town. Those are the loudest people on each bloc. You clearly believe that the major proponent of one bloc is the entire scumteam. Am I missing something here?
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↑ Csareo wrote:You are not attacking farside, because she has earned legitimacy for herself. If you are hostile to her, it will backfire (assuring you're scum)
I am looked at as a noob player. A scum player see's that, and will continue to make baseless, and over exaggerated insults to destroy any credibility that noob player has.
Smart townies would see that.
Funny, because Vezok and Reck are attacking farside and the only people it's "backfired" with are you and farside. So that's not true.
You are looked at as a noob player because of your actions. Ego buffering etc etc
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↑ Csareo wrote:↑ MattP wrote:↑ Csareo wrote:You are not attacking farside, because she has earned legitimacy for herself. If you are hostile to her, it will backfire (assuring you're scum)
I am looked at as a noob player. A scum player see's that, and will continue to make baseless, and over exaggerated insults to destroy any credibility that noob player has.
Smart townies would see that.
Funny, because Vezok and Reck are attacking farside and the only people it's "backfired" with are you and farside. So that's not true.
You are looked at as a noob player because of your actions. Ego buffering etc etc
How did it backfire?
You read them as scum? They're attacking farside and it hasnt majorly backfired. You JUST stated that I am clearly not attacking farside because everyone knows if one attacks farside it'll backfire. I'm saying that's not true. And therefore I've made an active choice not to attack farside even though I disagree with her reads, while I've (albeit minorly) antagonized you (over two posts) because I disagree with you and I think you are harming the progression of productive discussion
What? I stated that you think one bloc as scum. You then corrected me stating that you don't think they're scum, you're just
reading
them as scum. I then am saying that it doesn't change my pointI feel like I'm deep within the rabbit hole right now
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↑ Csareo wrote:I can't connect the interaction I just saw.
The reaction from Mattp to that post was simply to over exaggerated and crazy to be true.
Even if it was a stupid post, which it was not, the fact that mattp staged an acted and fake performance of being a "rabid jackass" was neither amusing or town.
A rabid jackass? When in the world did I call you that?
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↑ xRECKONERx wrote:
Are you saying when you scumread peopleyou're not calling them scum!?
I can't do it guys. I'm out. Godspeed.
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I was being sarcastic. I just explained that. That is why it was in "quotes"
I said "I am not attacking farside even though she is antagonizing me because I respect her approach to the game"
You said "You are not attacking farside, because she has earned legitimacy for herself. If you are hostile to her, it will backfire (assuring you're scum)"
I effectively then said "That's not true, people (aka Reck and Vezok) HAVE antagonized farside and it hasn't backfired"
I said "I am not attacking farside even though she is antagonizing me because I respect her approach to the game"
You said "You are not attacking farside, because she has earned legitimacy for herself. If you are hostile to her, it will backfire (assuring you're scum)"
I effectively then said "That's not true, people (aka Reck and Vezok) HAVE antagonized farside and it hasn't backfired"
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↑ Espressojet wrote:I thought I posted something else, but I guess not.
To sum it up, Csareo is likely scum here and Reck is proving himself town in my book.
To sum what up? How can you think you posted something else
Post actual content
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↑ Anatole Kuragin wrote:you're not getting rid of shit, matt, you're going to cause a no-lynch
???
We have over a full day left
You could have even voted MafiaSSK in your post
You don't care at all about that wagon growth on Espresso?
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↑ xRECKONERx wrote:She also quoted my posts out of order to make them look worse.
465: I think flubber is scummy. myko made a solid case on TSO. I had TSO on my list for meta reasons I didn't want to share yet and wanted to wait it out to see if more meta stuff came to light.
493: I explain that I liked myko's case because it felt like genuine effort, but I didn't have Matt as a scum read and didn't want to lynch Matt. (I was misreading the case as myko attacking Matt, not TSO).
498: I reiterate, again, that I liked myko's case, but incorrectly remembering it was MattP on the line, I did not want to lynch MattP.
She's trying to make it look like I didn't want to lynch TSO all along. That's not true. I already had meta reasons for keeping an eye on TSO. When responding to myko's case after the fact, and thinking it was Matt on the line, I did not want to lynch Matt. She's just plugging in one name for the other and pretending like it doesn't change anything contextually, but it does.
Her whole push on me has a) not addressed me directly but instead is addressing other people regarding me, and b) been intellectually dishonest as it presents things out of order or out of context to paint it as worse than it is.
↑ xRECKONERx wrote:
Ugh seriously. Fine.
Pre-446: Start to notice meta things about TSO that have me curious/suspicious.
446: Read myko's case. Think he's town for the genuine effort. Mistakenly remember it as being on Matt and don't want to lynch Matt.
456: I expand, still mistakenly thinking it was on Matt (this is while at work, 40 minutes later, so memory is worse) and explain that I liked that myko seemed to be putting in genuine thought and reasoning, but I didn't agree with it (Because I didn't want to lynch Matt, I had a town read on Matt, so I liked myko's effort but read Matt as town.)
462: I go back and reread the case now and realize it was on TSO and not Matt. Everything makes sense now.
465: I reveal that I had a meta-dependent thing on TSO from earlier but I didn't want to reveal it because it would kind of ruin the experiment.
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↑ farside22 wrote:Matt: If he read the case and agreed with the case, why would he agree about a case that is all quotes about Tso and think it was you?
That makes less sense.
Please explain with meta on vezo you know of what makes SSK a better lynch.
Nothing new. He is pretty much like I saw before. Plus with just over a day I expect people to vote scum no matter there alignment.
Also Flubber did the same, anything on him about meta?
He explains it in his post, he was at work and haphazardly reading and made a mental mixup. I've seen 100x worse happen, and his explanation of his mental mixup makes sense to me. I don't know what to say, it's not like I'm not acknowledging that what he did was stupid, I just think it was a genuine mixup. Read his explanation, it makes sense that someone could essentially not make sense in that manner.
I can't say anything content-wise about Vezok because part of my rationalization of a read on him stems from something that is "ongoing"
You see, here's the thing, you're defending MafiaSSK with meta, so I don't understand why you're so hung up on my personal meta. Considering MafiaSSK has literally said like one thing this entire game I don't really think there's anything to even derive meta-wise. I think he's a useless and harmful player, and I think regardless of your understanding of his meta he did something scummy and opportunistic by voting Espresso pace-wise when he did
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↑ xRECKONERx wrote:
holy shit you're one of the thickest people I've ever seen. what the fuck. do you just not know how to write OR read english?
To be fair farside, Reck's explanation of his fuckup just makes sense on a cognitive reading sort of level. The explanation is complicated because of the added meta situation involving TSO, but it makes sense, even if I too got tripped up on it logically for a while too...it clicks.
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When did I say Vezo offers nothing for reads?
Flubber sucks too. Sure, you're right. I'm frustrated with the lack of commitment by players this game and want to get rid of a waste of space.
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More content generated from him / more interactions than either of espresso or flubber?
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↑ Anatole Kuragin wrote:is the question directly related to this lynch?
It's just an important question, and I wish I could have it answered before deadline
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I know this was therefore a no lynch, but
If not, days over
MOD: Can we get a minor extension just so I can have your response to my question? I mean, I'm obviously limited by when I wake up tomorrow, but just wanted to check.
Answered in VC/End of Day - Omod
If not, days over
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I will just say, Myko, that I obviously would have hammered a known town bus driver before deadline if I were scum considering it was a "towny" thing to do and I wouldn't have gotten shit for it, and Idk why you think it's weird that I stalled on a lynch. I was hoping Oman would give an extension given the nature of my question to him, and I was upset that the lack of attention given by the mod to the game was to my detriment when it was something that shouldn't have any influence on the nature of the game. I didn't vote because I thought I was completely justified to have a chance to see an answer to my question before a lynch having asked it 5 hours before the deadline.
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I was mid an explanation of why I am deciding to claim when you posted that, Myko, but I'll just answer relevant questions you may have after my claim.
I am a follower. I was asking Oman if a follower can follow a bus driver or if the bus driver's action resolves prior to the follower and would render the bus driver un-followable (since bus driver generally resolves first). If I was able to follow Espresso I was going to follow him to verify his role and targets tomorrow. I figured that if he was town it was highly useful to keep him since we could easily coordinate a follower / bus driver deflection setup where each night I followed and he semi-protected me.
Last night I followed Flubber. He went nowhere.
I am a follower. I was asking Oman if a follower can follow a bus driver or if the bus driver's action resolves prior to the follower and would render the bus driver un-followable (since bus driver generally resolves first). If I was able to follow Espresso I was going to follow him to verify his role and targets tomorrow. I figured that if he was town it was highly useful to keep him since we could easily coordinate a follower / bus driver deflection setup where each night I followed and he semi-protected me.
Last night I followed Flubber. He went nowhere.
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Uh, what? A bus driver resolves prior to any other action. That's the point of a bus driver, to switch all other actions on the two targets. Therefore, I was checking to see if because a bus driver acts prior to all other resolvable actions, including a tracker, if it would be followable by a tracker since I would track after the bus driver action had resolved
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It didn't register with me when I was considering tracking a bus driver. I don't know why, but with a bus driver it seemed much less obvious
Because he got to L-2 with 2 votes being contingent on your associational tell that is wrong, and I believe that is a sign of a mislynch. I believe that MafiaSSK or vezok is most likely scum given the ease of their jumps onto the csareo wagon and willingness to believe your theory (mafiassk prior to even hearing it and acting as if he clearly saw it himself with no context provided)
↑ Anatole Kuragin wrote:Matt, why'd you unvote Csareo? I thought he was a consistent scumread for you.
Because he got to L-2 with 2 votes being contingent on your associational tell that is wrong, and I believe that is a sign of a mislynch. I believe that MafiaSSK or vezok is most likely scum given the ease of their jumps onto the csareo wagon and willingness to believe your theory (mafiassk prior to even hearing it and acting as if he clearly saw it himself with no context provided)
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↑ Anatole Kuragin wrote:So essentially you're ignoring your own read and the rest of my case on Csareo because I said there's a good chance you are a scum team and other people agreed.
No? So essentially I'm ignoring my own read because we are presumably 1 lynch away from lylo, there are probably 3 scum and 7 town, and I believe the ease of those two players jumping onto csareo contingent on your case is so outlandishly ridiculous that I believe it's idiotic to
A) leave him at L-2 this early
B) believe the growth of the wagon is town-motivated
But go ahead and believe that
entirely preposterous
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Is that a question you want me to answer?
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↑ Anatole Kuragin wrote:I think it looks pretty fishy how you are doing a complete 180 on your read now that other people agree Csar is scum.
First off, on principle, when people agree with my read and actually vote said read I more often than not flip my vote which is even evident multiple times in this very game (because I generally experience paranoia of believing I'm being manipulated). Second off, when an incorrect associational tell is contigent on multiple people's votes of said player, and their jumps onto the wagon are in poor form (especially MafiaSSK's), I become more paranoid that my read is incorrect and jump off of said player
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I was gone sitewide. I didn't post in here but I've been overwhelmed with travel / med school apps / finding a job. I finished med school apps, so I should have relatively more free time.
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Myko is scum
Anatole is most nearly obviously town
Farside is most nearly obviously town
Flubber is not being lynched today even though his posts are poor quality
I believe at this moment that TSO is town
I think Myko is stagnant, and I think everything he is struggling hard to find a legitimate transition in his reads to seem a fluid player in the game, a la his attacks on Vezok/me and constant straddling on TSO, his only definite scum read he has been able to comfortably set into all game.
Anatole is most nearly obviously town
Farside is most nearly obviously town
Flubber is not being lynched today even though his posts are poor quality
I believe at this moment that TSO is town
I think Myko is stagnant, and I think everything he is struggling hard to find a legitimate transition in his reads to seem a fluid player in the game, a la his attacks on Vezok/me and constant straddling on TSO, his only definite scum read he has been able to comfortably set into all game.
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According to Vezok, MafiaSSK is "just an idiot" that doesn't for some reason deserve any sort of legitimate reading. I believe that the fact that MafiaSSK legitimately, all-around sucks and Vezok throwing it away as "what an idiot" is his way of acknowledging it while also keeping MafiaSSK on the sidelines and not having his playing associated with any sort of alignment-indicative behavior. Noone could legitimately argue that MafiaSSK has been townlike so naturally the thing to do is to denounce it as idiocy in Vezok's situation condering he has to respond to Mafia's vote on him without causing any harm to his team
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↑ vezokpiraka wrote:↑ Csareo wrote:I believe my scum record is 3-1, and my town record 2-5, so I kind of agree with TSO.
I play pretty shitty as town, and get way more involved into games where I'm scum.
If I have a low post count, or what i say is
1. Confusing
2. Bad
I'm most likely with the town. I'll let you guy's be the judge, but let's not spend long delaying the vezo wagon.
By his own self meta he cobfirms he is now playing aa scum. Seriously.
Now that you are provably gonna lynch me cause this town has its up its ass I am going to tell you what to do tomorrow.
Farside and csareo are scum. Probably mattp is the last one.
Ak, reck and myko are town. If I see you lynching them I might just break.Tso is stupid, but town. Flubber is also town.
Mafiassk is just an idiot.
Also I'm vanilla.
This is a classic AtE "final" post of a scum with a wagon on him
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Behold! Myko's ONLY mention EVER of considering forming a read of any sort on MafiaSSK
BECAUSE when you have a SHITTY scumbuddy like MafiaSSK how else can you respond to him that isn't going to get him lynched than to call him "mysterious", and "idiot", or "too hard to read"
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For the record, I understand it's HIGHLY improbably I just pegged the ENTIRE scumteam but I believe that this works and I believe all three are independently scummy but also fit pleasantly into a team with their interactions
Here is the thing to keep in mind. MafiaSSK is hands down ACTING scummy but is also a non-presence, regardless of whether or not that makes him scum. Supposing he is scum, the natural flow of the game would be scum would try to keep him as much of a non-presence as possible while town would try to push MafiaSSK for more of a reaction.
This is the contrast between Vezok and Myko's play versus many others in the game.
Here is the thing to keep in mind. MafiaSSK is hands down ACTING scummy but is also a non-presence, regardless of whether or not that makes him scum. Supposing he is scum, the natural flow of the game would be scum would try to keep him as much of a non-presence as possible while town would try to push MafiaSSK for more of a reaction.
This is the contrast between Vezok and Myko's play versus many others in the game.
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I am voting Myko at this very moment because he is the ringleader that has slipped through the cracks past early to mid day one and it is hedonistic to point a finger at him. I don't have high hope of him being the lynch today, and I am fine catering to discussion of either a Vezok or SSK lynch.
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↑ vezokpiraka wrote:Wow.
I didn't know mattp as scum can be so manipulative.
Are we go to lynch someone just cause he told us so? His scum team doesnt make sense.
hahahaha
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