He's very wily.
I'll come back to this later, probably.
↑ Anatole Kuragin wrote:Pere, do you think my posts are more fluffy than yours?
↑ Thestatusquo wrote:↑ PeregrineV wrote:@Lynch-Grats!
@Guyett-Why so mean?
@Konowa-Why?
@Anatole-Why so fluffy?
Re:status online-I don't know how to toggle it, so I suppose it's default (I think on since I've seen my name at the bottom before)
@shos- Limited Access this weekend(kind of normal, but actually going to be out of town most of it).
I like TSQ & his posts- why does he have so many fake votes?
I think we should drink coffee as close to the max time as possible.
Why not propose an answer to the question "why does he have so many fake votes" instead of just asking. What do you think? For someone who complained about fluff like 3 times in this post, the entire post itself is fluff.
↑ shaddowez wrote:I'd also love to hear more about what people think about the Konowa/UT neighbors. Considering the theory of this game, and the fact that we're all supposed to be connected all the time, including hearing the scum talk, I'm really going to be surprised if there's neighbors.
Pere - You mentioned drinking coffee as close to the max time as possible. What do you think of dry-fits idea of agreeing to basically auto-vote whoever has the most hypothetical votes at the time we go into evening phase?
↑ PeregrineV wrote:I like TSQ & his posts- why does he have so many fake votes?
↑ PeregrineV wrote:On page 12- sorry, but just got a work assignment that I know nothing about, so now have to figure it out, then do it.
Konowa said the mod made how drinking coffee clear in the QT, so UT should have known how drinking coffee worked. So we swung him, as we should have.
↑ LimMePls wrote:Secondly, because Matt's vote during the coffee phase was too much "I know this is going to flip town, so let me get away from it". The fact that he had 0 chance of actually causing another wagon to form and lynch his target means he KNEW it was nothing more than for appearances. If he had a problem with the lynch, he should have pushed hard against it BEFORE we drank coffee. But he didn't, he pushed it hard. Only after we'd drank coffee and committed to the lynch did he back off and pursue MS.
↑ LynxKuroneko wrote:
Konowa didn't keep me company in our private thread. I truly feel alone right now.
Actually... Why did you out this thread so early, Konowa? Curious, and felt I'd ask here sinceyou aren't bothering to say anything over there.
↑ Konowa wrote:L-1.
I think Lynx's lack of enthusiasm in the qt is pretty indicative of Scum to me. I think that if Town, he would actively use the QT to probe me lay out thoughts there. I was kind of stalling to see if he would make use of it.He didn't aside two posts prodding me to post.
I'll hammer in a few if anyone else wants to get stuff in.
↑ LynxKuroneko wrote:Konowa is complete bs.I've been trying to get Konowa to talk, and they've said crap until that post up there.Do NOT let Konowa get away with that completely bull post. There's literally NO way to get you to post here through our channel, because you're going to do what you please (like you've been doing this whole time. Lurking, and suddenly showing up to hammer for gods knows why.)
↑ Konowa wrote:So you cast aside the reasoning -why- I wasn't posting? Lynx's first post was to say hi after a recently completed game, second was him humming to Family Guy theme, third was asking why Shea tries to make himself unlikable as possible. I see no attempt to try and get me to talk. The prod dodgy (I know that's not what it is but the feel to it) feel to his posts gave me Scum waiting for me to post first so he could go from there. I wanted him to talk first and lay out his thoughts like he was doing in the game thread, the fact that he wasn't gave me Scum vibes. Like I said in the post you quoted.
↑ LimMePls wrote:↑ PeregrineV wrote:The last 3 coffee votes came 304-305-306 within 30 minutes of each other, and pretty much an hour later there were four votes on him.
There wasn't any time to do anything before coffee was drunk other than what was already done.
Don't follow your point here. Expand please.
Deciding that Lynx wasn't as scummy as UT doesn't seem like a thing scum-Matt would do no matter what Lynx might flip.
Because?
You have any other reason?
Laid it all out in 388.
↑ Konowa wrote:↑ PeregrineV wrote:This would be the town thought flow. I don't get how waiting for him to spill stuff in the QT while he was getting lynched here is in any way town.
Except that is a gross misrepresentation by you. I was waiting for him to post -anything- and that was before enough votes to drink coffee occurred. I wasn't waiting for him to "spill stuff" I was waiting for -anything- game relevant. I can go into greater detail if necessary, and at that point we would be crossing more into theory so I'd rather not.
More game related, why the facepalm over LMP saying I'm town for my vote on Anatole? Do you disagree that Anatole is likely scum?
↑ Dry-fit wrote:↑ PeregrineV wrote:As for Anatole, I said back in day1 he looks nothing like his Timeshift game (where he was scum, and I thought he was town because he was playing/trying/etc.). Since his scum meta is *doing something*, pretty sure his doing jack-shit in this game means he's town. I'm sad it's that way, but there you have it.
This is not how you do meta.
↑ Metal Sonic wrote:↑ PeregrineV wrote:
I find Metal too fluffy and don't feel liek he ever scumhunts, and he started this game that way. But then he posted 134. While I disagreed with his opinion of 80, he had an opinion and articulated it.
With that said, he then goes back to posts that are all over the place.
I like that he is taking stances.
I don't like that those stances are like unto dandelions, and a slight breeze may allow them to change.
Anyways, I strongly think Konowa is scum. (392, 396). I dislike Titus and Guyett at this point, mostly for them failing to meet me expectations of them as town.
Titus is town and I saw it right away. It's very strange that you fail to see it, considering your wonderful hydra experience
↑ Anatole Kuragin wrote:casual is my middle name
↑ Konowa wrote:↑ PeregrineV wrote:I find Metal too fluffy and don't feel liek he ever scumhunts, and he started this game that way. But then he posted 134. While I disagreed with his opinion of 80, he had an opinion and articulated it.
With that said, he then goes back to posts that are all over the place.
I like that he is taking stances.
I don't like that those stances are like unto dandelions, and a slight breeze may allow them to change.
Anyways, I strongly think Konowa is scum. (392, 396). I dislike Titus and Guyett at this point,mostly for them failing to meet me expectations of them as town.
↑ PeregrineV wrote:Actually, it's not. It's more based on contradicting statements between you and Lynx,and NOT doing things in the neighborhood that town would do.
Expectations of town without examining motivations is the very definition of confbias.
Pere, what is your read of Anatole?
↑ Anatole Kuragin wrote:Want to lynch Dry-fit or MS I think.
↑ Anatole Kuragin wrote:PV and Matt are townreads but I'm not super confident
↑ LimMePls wrote:↑ PeregrineV wrote:↑ Anatole Kuragin wrote:Want to lynch Dry-fit or MS I think.
↑ Anatole Kuragin wrote:PV and Matt are townreads but I'm not super confident
The next question is, of course, why, but since I'm out for the weekend it's a looming question not a immediate response.
This post makes my skin crawl.
↑ Titus wrote:↑ Anatole Kuragin wrote:Sorry pere, all I have is gut.
This is concerning to me. You do not generally rely on gut as town.
↑ Anatole Kuragin wrote:↑ PeregrineV wrote:↑ Titus wrote:↑ Anatole Kuragin wrote:Sorry pere, all I have is gut.
This is concerning to me. You do not generally rely on gut as town.
@Anatole- I was looking for a response to this before I brought it up, but finished reading and didn't see it. Please respond.
I don't have any cases to reveal. I like where farside is going on konowa though.
↑ Anatole Kuragin wrote:↑ PeregrineV wrote:↑ Anatole Kuragin wrote:↑ PeregrineV wrote:
@Anatole- I was looking for a response to this before I brought it up, but finished reading and didn't see it. Please respond.
I don't have any cases to reveal. I like where farside is going on konowa though.
I was more referring to Titus statement that, as town, you do not generally rely on gut.
I rely on gut at the beginning of games and transition to evidence when I think I've found something substantive. I think most people do this, they just tend to try and twist evidence to support their gut.
↑ LimMePls wrote:↑ farside22 wrote:I really, really don't like dry-fit's vote, but if you don't like konowa as scum can you tell me what you thought about lynx comment? Lynx never thought konowa was scum until konowa made the comment about what was posted in the QT and then lynx called him a liar for it. I don't see that coming from town being pissed and tunneling a lead, that comes from hey you fucker lied.
Lynx comment came off to me as defensive "Nuh UH! YOU'RE THE ONE NOT TALKING IN THERE". I get the feeling neither one of them was doing much of anything in the QT, and both reading that as scum the other being scummy. I unequivocally don't buy into the line of thinking that because they were having miscommunication, one of the two must be scum. The rest of Konowa's play has been fine (if a little lurky) to me. To illustrate the QT mess:
↑ Konowa wrote:Someone asked something about UT in our neighbor thread, he didn't converse at all other than to say hi once and to ask what I thought later on. I asked shos in our neighbor thread specifically about the coffee stuff and shos replied in the neighbor thread so I would assume that UT would have understood the rules.
↑ LynxKuroneko wrote:Konowa is complete bs. I've been trying to get Konowa to talk, and they've said crap until that post up there. Do NOT let Konowa get away with that completely bull post. There's literally NO way to get you to post here through our channel, because you're going to do what you please (like you've been doing this whole time. Lurking, and suddenly showing up to hammer for gods knows why.)
↑ Konowa wrote:So you cast aside the reasoning -why- I wasn't posting? Lynx's first post was to say hi after a recently completed game, second was him humming to Family Guy theme, third was asking why Shea tries to make himself unlikable as possible. I see no attempt to try and get me to talk. The prod dodgy (I know that's not what it is but the feel to it) feel to his posts gave me Scum waiting for me to post first so he could go from there. I wanted him to talk first and lay out his thoughts like he was doing in the game thread, the fact that he wasn't gave me Scum vibes. Like I said in the post you quoted.
To sum it up, it looks like this to me:
UT says hi.
Konowa asks mod some questions about the setup
UT asks Konowa what he thinks of something
UT replaced by Lynx
Lynx says hi
Lynx humms Family Guy tune
Lynx asks why Shea tries to make himself unlikable.
Konowa says Lynx "lacks enthusiasm" in the QT, and believes it's scummy.
Lynx calls him out in thread over it.
I don't see Konowa-scum putting himself in a 1v1 like that by lying about what happened in the QT. I also don't actually see what Konowa said as a "lie". Lynx just views it that way from his own frame of reference. So the whole thing reads to me like neighbors who are paranoid of each other, and has no bearing on their alignment as far as I can tell.
↑ Anatole Kuragin wrote:Guyett, ika, Metal Sonic, Titus, LynchMePls, PeregrineV
coffee votes.
Including Pere, who didn't think I was scum. Why would you vote for coffee if you weren't scumreading the top lynch candidate?
↑ Anatole Kuragin wrote:Which wasted 9 or 10 days that people could have figured the game out in at their own speed.
↑ Anatole Kuragin wrote:The yellow names should be under a lot of scrutiny because that is 100% anti-town behavior.
↑ Anatole Kuragin wrote:When PV voted for coffee he didn't seem to have any intention of voting for me as the clear leader in the hypothetical vote counts.
↑ Anatole Kuragin wrote:Fortunately PV still seems to be posting so he can address the question of why he voted for coffee.
↑ Anatole Kuragin wrote:PV - when you have 11 days to discuss a lynch and deliberately cut it down to 2 days while townreading the most likely lynch, it's crippling the town's ability to lynch scum.
↑ Anatole Kuragin wrote:Ok, I guess I was misreading the deadline somehow. It still doesn't make sense to vote for coffee without confidence in the lynch unless you're 48 hours from deadline.
↑ shos wrote:
"I don't give a fuck anymore! Just pick whichever of these assholes and let's start hitting them!" he said, but another jumped right at him with a stright up -amazing- punch to the face. "Your bloodlust is exactly what we're looking for here! IT'S HIM GUYS! HIT HIIIMMM!!!!"
..
"Eww."
Guyett's face didn't look like a face anymore. It was just some sort of..well...jelloooplas..tic...or something. "I don't think he's still with us, guys." The man said. "Let's check his pockets."
They took out a watch, some pennies and....POISON! YEAH BABY, THAT GUY'S A KILLER!!
↑ shaddowez wrote:↑ PeregrineV wrote:Would like to hear from each player who voted differently from their original vote during the discussion yesterday. Because unless I'm wrong that's everybody except me. Makes me wonder what the point of the discussion phase is if were not going to use it for discussion, and why Anatole tried to give me so much shit for not letting the 48 hours run out.
You're wrong - you completely skipped posts 634 and 661 where people's votes changed. However, using the discussion phase to actually discuss things is something I'm on board with, and why I'm really not liking ika right now.
↑ Konowa wrote:I really have zero rational for any of my reads right now. This gamestate is so fucking apathetic and I'm pretty sure, like Guy, there's at least one other Scum just sitting back and letting you and I yell at each other.
Pretty much the main reason for me wanting to lynch ika Today. PV, there isn't any development or trying to figure anything out. He's rehashing the same point over and over again. As for AK, I didn't like the stuff early D2 but I'm probably wrong about it but it still is leaving a bad taste in my mouth.
↑ Anatole Kuragin wrote:Let's vote coffee so we can lynch Konowa.
↑ Anatole Kuragin wrote:I have a nagging feeling titus and MS are lying
↑ Metal Sonic wrote:Ok
I have enough of this
I will sonicboom both of you at the same time
i am town cop. I have inno on all my "townreads" except farside. Farside town by play.
By PoE, the remaining 3 players should be lynched. They're scummy fucks anyway.
Thanks in advance
↑ ika wrote:↑ vonflare wrote:Here are my reads so far:
Know and farside: they continue to argue about whether dry-fit is scum, and imo it looks to me like two townies arguing. If you two could just call it off and stop trying to convince the other person, we could move forward in this game.
Metal and Titus: either they are masons, or they are scumbuddies. That means that they have the same alignment. If either of them gets night killed, then we know their alignment, but we can't count on that. I think the best play would be to lynch one of them (eventually), and then we would have either 2 scum confirmed, or 1 townie confirmed.
Still working on the rest.
this.
if you iso him he i belive at one point said that titus/sonic are both same alignment.
his iso is littered with many other things that stick out as well....
i would have to do it later cus i got work but its entirly possible that it is PV lurking it out right now if kon is town
↑ Formerfish wrote:Far/PV- what is preventing either of you from pushing this to coffee phase? How do you guys feel about a no lynch? Quicker we get java quicker we nl quicker we move this game on down the line.
↑ shos wrote:I have to say, that the scum could make use of their QT to communicate, or at least announce when they sent a kill (for example, PV's kill was overridden one time without him knowing). I shouldn't have allowed cryptography, though. I totally expected the game to go - scum do some shit to confuse in the QT - town go nuts about it - etc. in practice, you guys turned it into athree man scumteam which just doesn't talk to each other, doesn't plan anything, kills, busses, etc. I AM DISAPPOINT.
↑ shos wrote:oh also, some things I forgot to mention: the 3 days minimum was for two goals: 1. to prevent quicklynches, like one of my other modded games has been ruined with somewhen, and 2. to allow scum to actually plan and make a kill before townenters coffee.
The coffee idea is interesting too. The best thing, imo, town should have done is agree that once an unofficial hammer has been reached, everyone vote for coffee and lynch it asap. This would prevent people changing their votes before and after, and it will prevent a no-pressure situation where someone is at L-1 and doesn't give a fuck about it cuz he can't realy die. Also, I was sure you guys are going to lynch PV earlier because there was a time where he voted for coffee and did not vote in coffee. HOW DID YOU GUYS NOT SEE THAT.
↑ shos wrote:also reading posts 35+ for my comments may be interesting lol
http://www.quicktopic.com/50/H/Rq2BY76tQ9wet