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Post Post #63 (isolation #0) » Fri Oct 03, 2014 3:25 am

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Spill Coffee On: Anatole Kuragin


He's very wily.

I'll come back to this later, probably.
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Post Post #111 (isolation #1) » Fri Oct 03, 2014 9:31 am

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@Lynch-
Grats!

@Guyett-
Why so mean?

@Konowa-


@Anatole-
Why so fluffy?

Re:status online-
I don't know how to toggle it, so I suppose it's default (I think on since I've seen my name at the bottom before)

@shos- Limited Access this weekend
(kind of normal, but actually going to be out of town most of it).

I like TSQ & his posts- why does he have so many fake votes?

I think we should as close to the max time as possible.
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Post Post #114 (isolation #2) » Fri Oct 03, 2014 10:10 am

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Anatole Kuragin wrote:Pere, do you think my posts are more fluffy than yours?


Only about 45% of them. But I may be confused as to your play, since I was convinced of town you in Timeshift- and it was not this.
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Post Post #115 (isolation #3) » Fri Oct 03, 2014 10:14 am

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Thestatusquo wrote:
PeregrineV wrote:
@Lynch-
Grats!

@Guyett-
Why so mean?

@Konowa-


@Anatole-
Why so fluffy?

Re:status online-
I don't know how to toggle it, so I suppose it's default (I think on since I've seen my name at the bottom before)

@shos- Limited Access this weekend
(kind of normal, but actually going to be out of town most of it).

I like TSQ & his posts- why does he have so many fake votes?

I think we should as close to the max time as possible.

Why not propose an answer to the question "why does he have so many fake votes" instead of just asking. What do you think? For someone who complained about fluff like 3 times in this post, the entire post itself is fluff.

Because my answer is you seem to be jumping right into scumhunting, which is a good thing. But now, it's probably because you seem hyper-aggressive to everyone. So, you are right, I did answer my own question.

This post is shorthand, because I don't have time for explaining the backstory behind each question. They will either get it because they already know, or they will ask.
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Post Post #264 (isolation #4) » Tue Oct 07, 2014 5:29 am

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Back- catching up today/tonight
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Post Post #326 (isolation #5) » Wed Oct 08, 2014 6:53 am

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shaddowez wrote:I'd also love to hear more about what people think about the Konowa/UT neighbors. Considering the theory of this game, and the fact that we're all supposed to be connected all the time, including hearing the scum talk, I'm really going to be surprised if there's neighbors.

Pere - You mentioned drinking coffee as close to the max time as possible. What do you think of dry-fits idea of agreeing to basically auto-vote whoever has the most hypothetical votes at the time we go into evening phase?


I 'd like to hear the flavor for the nieghbors, since my impression is we're all talking over earpieces. Assuming it's true, I think it slightly higher chance of being scum/town than town/town (prob 60/40), but don;t feel the need to scumhunt in the neighborhood just yet.

I think that most of the discussion should occur in the pre-drink phase(?), and that any changes from the final pre-drink vote to the drink vote should be explained. We had a similar mechanic at least once in Politics Mafia where the final vote came after "discussion" votes.
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Post Post #327 (isolation #6) » Wed Oct 08, 2014 7:00 am

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LimMePls wrote:Elaborate on this please. How is his play here different from his obv-Town play in Timeshift?


I was the SK, and I had a hard townread on Anatole, who turned out to be scum. I am partial to townreading certain playstyles, and Anatole-now is different from Anatole-Timeshift, which in theory mean Anatole-now is town (because Anatole-timeshift was not), but that just seems dumb to think that, so net result is I want more and better posting from Anatole.

Not sure if that answers the question or makes sense, but there you have it.
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Post Post #328 (isolation #7) » Wed Oct 08, 2014 7:03 am

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LimMePls wrote:If it seemed he was jumping into scumhunting, and that is a good thing, then what was the point of the question? I want the backstory to this question, and I want your read of TSQ.


Not sure what you mean. My question:
PeregrineV wrote:I like TSQ & his posts- why does he have so many fake votes?

was directed to pretty much everyone voting TSQ.

Right now, slightly on the town side of null.
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Post Post #329 (isolation #8) » Wed Oct 08, 2014 7:48 am

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On page 12- sorry, but just got a work assignment that I know nothing about, so now have to figure it out, then do it.
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Post Post #384 (isolation #9) » Mon Oct 13, 2014 5:17 am

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PeregrineV wrote:On page 12- sorry, but just got a work assignment that I know nothing about, so now have to figure it out, then do it.


Pretty sure we had lots of time left. Anyone give me a rundown of what happened before I read it?
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Post Post #387 (isolation #10) » Mon Oct 13, 2014 5:41 am

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LimMePls wrote:You could have read it over the night. Why didn't you?

Live games go first, I can do the four pages today.

Konowa said the mod made how drinking coffee clear in the QT, so UT should have known how drinking coffee worked. So we swung him, as we should have.
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Post Post #390 (isolation #11) » Mon Oct 13, 2014 6:20 am

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Dry-fit wrote:I think we should take a harder line on it than that. Did allowing changing votes after "discussion" work in Politics Mafia?


It did, but sometimes the same thing happened there that happens in normal voting- one or two people putting pressure on someone for vote-changing did not make them respond nor care about the questions they were asked.

Anyways, I think the fact this is a smaller game means it won't be such an issue.
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Post Post #391 (isolation #12) » Mon Oct 13, 2014 6:39 am

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LimMePls wrote:Secondly, because Matt's vote during the coffee phase was too much "I know this is going to flip town, so let me get away from it". The fact that he had 0 chance of actually causing another wagon to form and lynch his target means he KNEW it was nothing more than for appearances. If he had a problem with the lynch, he should have pushed hard against it BEFORE we drank coffee. But he didn't, he pushed it hard. Only after we'd drank coffee and committed to the lynch did he back off and pursue MS.


The last 3 coffee votes came -305-306 within 30 minutes of each other, and pretty much an hour later there were four votes on him.
There wasn't any time to do anything before coffee was drunk other than what was already done.

Deciding that Lynx wasn't as scummy as UT doesn't seem like a thing scum-Matt would do no matter what Lynx might flip.

You have any other reason?
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Post Post #392 (isolation #13) » Mon Oct 13, 2014 6:45 am

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LynxKuroneko wrote:
Konowa didn't keep me company in our private thread. I truly feel alone right now.
Actually... Why did you out this thread so early, Konowa? Curious, and felt I'd ask here since
you aren't bothering to say anything over there.

Konowa wrote:L-1.

I think Lynx's lack of enthusiasm in the qt is pretty indicative of Scum to me. I think that if Town, he would actively use the QT to probe me lay out thoughts there. I was kind of stalling to see if he would make use of it.
He didn't aside two posts prodding me to post.


I'll hammer in a few if anyone else wants to get stuff in.

LynxKuroneko wrote:Konowa is complete bs.
I've been trying to get Konowa to talk, and they've said crap until that post up there.
Do NOT let Konowa get away with that completely bull post. There's literally NO way to get you to post here through our channel, because you're going to do what you please (like you've been doing this whole time. Lurking, and suddenly showing up to hammer for gods knows why.)


This whole thing bothers me. If Konowa thought UT/Lynx was scum, why was he not trying to pump him for scumteam info- get him to slip in some way? Saying that Lynx was doing nothing but "asking him to post", and calling Lynx scum for that while not posting in there on his own?...nope.

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Post Post #396 (isolation #14) » Mon Oct 13, 2014 8:34 am

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Konowa wrote:So you cast aside the reasoning -why- I wasn't posting? Lynx's first post was to say hi after a recently completed game, second was him humming to Family Guy theme, third was asking why Shea tries to make himself unlikable as possible. I see no attempt to try and get me to talk. The prod dodgy (I know that's not what it is but the feel to it) feel to his posts gave me Scum waiting for me to post first so he could go from there. I wanted him to talk first and lay out his thoughts like he was doing in the game thread, the fact that he wasn't gave me Scum vibes. Like I said in the post you quoted.


Either you thought he was town, in which case you question him or
You thought he was scum, in which case you try to get him to give his fakereads to analyze later or
You're not sure on his alignment, in which case you try to figure it out.

This would be the town thought flow. I don't get how waiting for him to spill stuff in the QT while he was getting lynched here is in any way town.
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Post Post #398 (isolation #15) » Mon Oct 13, 2014 8:40 am

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LimMePls wrote:
PeregrineV wrote:The last 3 coffee votes came -305-306 within 30 minutes of each other, and pretty much an hour later there were four votes on him.
There wasn't any time to do anything before coffee was drunk other than what was already done.


Don't follow your point here. Expand please.

Your saying Matt chance to change his mind about Lynx should have came BEFORE coffee. Coffee AND the first 4(?) votes to lynch Lynx came very quickly one right after another. Where would be the time to fight against the Lynx lynch when it was already happening?

Deciding that Lynx wasn't as scummy as UT doesn't seem like a thing scum-Matt would do no matter what Lynx might flip.


Because?

Because scum-Matt knows the Lynx mislynch is happening. Stupid to draw attention by expressing any other opinion after already have pressed the UT/Lynx=scum opinion.
If scum-Matt were bussing, final day phase and Lynx with 4 votes is stupid time to try to not-bus.
Pretty sure MattP is not stupid.

You have any other reason?


Laid it all out in 388.

Yeah, and you'd need to convince me that MattP is a bad player to think that he would pull that as scum.
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Post Post #399 (isolation #16) » Mon Oct 13, 2014 8:41 am

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LimMePls wrote:
Konowa wrote:
Anatole Kuragin wrote:So because Matt disagreed with the bad lynch you pushed, he's scum?


Vote: Anatole Kuragin


Konowa's town.


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Post Post #404 (isolation #17) » Mon Oct 13, 2014 9:04 am

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Konowa wrote:
PeregrineV wrote:This would be the town thought flow. I don't get how waiting for him to spill stuff in the QT while he was getting lynched here is in any way town.

Except that is a gross misrepresentation by you. I was waiting for him to post -anything- and that was before enough votes to drink coffee occurred. I wasn't waiting for him to "spill stuff" I was waiting for -anything- game relevant. I can go into greater detail if necessary, and at that point we would be crossing more into theory so I'd rather not.

More game related, why the facepalm over LMP saying I'm town for my vote on Anatole? Do you disagree that Anatole is likely scum?


I'm saying why would you wait for him? How do you scumhunt him by waiting for him?

As for Anatole, I said back in day1 he looks nothing like his Timeshift game (where he was scum, and I thought he was town because he was playing/trying/etc.). Since his scum meta is *doing something*, pretty sure his doing jack-shit in this game means he's town. I'm sad it's that way, but there you have it.
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Post Post #405 (isolation #18) » Mon Oct 13, 2014 9:07 am

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LimMePls wrote:
PeregrineV wrote:
LimMePls wrote:
Konowa wrote:
Anatole Kuragin wrote:So because Matt disagreed with the bad lynch you pushed, he's scum?


Vote: Anatole Kuragin


Konowa's town.


:facepalm:


Do you really not see how bad that post was, and why Konowa's vote was good?

Unvote
Vote: Anatole Kuragin


Given --, yes the post was bad.
Konowa voting him does not help.
You voting him is null.
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Post Post #414 (isolation #19) » Mon Oct 13, 2014 9:31 am

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Konowa wrote:
PeregrineV wrote:
Given --, yes the post was bad.
Konowa voting him does not help.
You voting him is null.


I'm don't get this at all.


He agreed with and also pushed for the Lynx lynch in the posts given. and you pointed out why in the 2nd half of .
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Post Post #416 (isolation #20) » Mon Oct 13, 2014 9:52 am

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Konowa wrote:I'm not getting the second and third line of your post. Can you explain what you mean there?


Since I suspect you might be scum, your vote on Anatole does not lead me to deduce anything about Anatole's alignment.
LMP's vote on Anatole likewise does not change my opinion of Anatole's alignment, since LMP is still an unsure read for me.
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Post Post #472 (isolation #21) » Wed Oct 15, 2014 8:56 am

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Dry-fit wrote:
PeregrineV wrote:As for Anatole, I said back in day1 he looks nothing like his Timeshift game (where he was scum, and I thought he was town because he was playing/trying/etc.). Since his scum meta is *doing something*, pretty sure his doing jack-shit in this game means he's town. I'm sad it's that way, but there you have it.

This is not how you do meta.


Not doing meta so much as establishing the baseline for expectations. Meta would require multiple games, research, etc. I tend not to do that as much as I used to, because reliability issues on the conclusions.
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Post Post #473 (isolation #22) » Wed Oct 15, 2014 9:01 am

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Metal Sonic wrote:Titus if I'm not town you can hang me


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BTW: if I were to vote for some random nullread right now, it probably would be you over SmashBros.
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Post Post #474 (isolation #23) » Wed Oct 15, 2014 9:02 am

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Guyett wrote:I'm an idiot :/


Yeah, but you're not, so I don't get this.
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Post Post #501 (isolation #24) » Thu Oct 16, 2014 10:09 am

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Titus wrote:Have not been feeling well. Will catch up.

PV, I see the most frustrating game is over.


Hope you fell better!

Yeah, I decided to stop ranting. Games like that are why I play multiple ones simultaneously, so I don't take it too much to heart.

Also, OT, but- would you be up to a hydra replace in Touhou? PM me.
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Post Post #502 (isolation #25) » Thu Oct 16, 2014 10:22 am

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LimMePls wrote:@PV: Can you flesh out your null read on MS further? Also, who are your top scum suspects right now?


I find Metal too fluffy and don't feel liek he ever scumhunts, and he started this game that way. But then he posted . While I disagreed with his opinion of 80, he had an opinion and articulated it.
With that said, he then goes back to posts that are all over the place.
I like that he is taking stances.
I don't like that those stances are like unto dandelions, and a slight breeze may allow them to change.

Anyways, I strongly think Konowa is scum. (, ). I dislike Titus and Guyett at this point, mostly for them failing to meet me expectations of them as town.
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Post Post #513 (isolation #26) » Fri Oct 17, 2014 8:31 am

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Metal Sonic wrote:
PeregrineV wrote:
LimMePls wrote:@PV: Can you flesh out your null read on MS further? Also, who are your top scum suspects right now?


I find Metal too fluffy and don't feel liek he ever scumhunts, and he started this game that way. But then he posted . While I disagreed with his opinion of 80, he had an opinion and articulated it.
With that said, he then goes back to posts that are all over the place.
I like that he is taking stances.
I don't like that those stances are like unto dandelions, and a slight breeze may allow them to change.

Anyways, I strongly think Konowa is scum. (, ). I dislike Titus and Guyett at this point, mostly for them failing to meet me expectations of them as town.



Titus is town and I saw it right away. It's very strange that you fail to see it, considering your wonderful hydra experience


Not really. I've townread her with about a 50% success rate so far, and scumread her with a 60-75% success rate so far. The consequences for incorrect townread being much worse than incorrect scumread.
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Post Post #514 (isolation #27) » Fri Oct 17, 2014 8:33 am

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Konowa wrote:All of #502 from Pere is confbias.


Actually, it's not. It's more based on contradicting statements between you and Lynx, and NOT doing things in the neighborhood that town would do.
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Post Post #515 (isolation #28) » Fri Oct 17, 2014 8:35 am

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Anatole Kuragin wrote:casual is my middle name


You're not fake-voting. Who are your top 2 town and scumreads right now?
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Post Post #517 (isolation #29) » Fri Oct 17, 2014 8:53 am

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Konowa wrote:
PeregrineV wrote:I find Metal too fluffy and don't feel liek he ever scumhunts, and he started this game that way. But then he posted . While I disagreed with his opinion of 80, he had an opinion and articulated it.
With that said, he then goes back to posts that are all over the place.
I like that he is taking stances.
I don't like that those stances are like unto dandelions, and a slight breeze may allow them to change.

Anyways, I strongly think Konowa is scum. (, ). I dislike Titus and Guyett at this point,
mostly for them failing to meet me expectations of them as town.


PeregrineV wrote:Actually, it's not. It's more based on contradicting statements between you and Lynx,
and NOT doing things in the neighborhood that town would do.


Expectations of town without examining motivations is the very definition of confbias.

Did you give your motivations in ?

Pere, what is your read of Anatole?

Myy Day one read is per . Since we are now in day2, he is now required to step it up and do something. Right now he's null-on-the-town-side, because he is currently being voted for reaction test, overreacting and underreacting, none of which make me think he's scum.
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Post Post #519 (isolation #30) » Fri Oct 17, 2014 9:27 am

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Anatole Kuragin wrote:Want to lynch Dry-fit or MS I think.


Townreads?
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Post Post #521 (isolation #31) » Fri Oct 17, 2014 9:56 am

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Anatole Kuragin wrote:Want to lynch Dry-fit or MS I think.

Anatole Kuragin wrote:PV and Matt are townreads but I'm not super confident


The next question is, of course, why, but since I'm out for the weekend it's a looming question not a immediate response.
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Post Post #523 (isolation #32) » Fri Oct 17, 2014 10:17 am

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LimMePls wrote:
PeregrineV wrote:
Anatole Kuragin wrote:Want to lynch Dry-fit or MS I think.

Anatole Kuragin wrote:PV and Matt are townreads but I'm not super confident


The next question is, of course, why, but since I'm out for the weekend it's a looming question not a immediate response.


This post makes my skin crawl.


Why? It's basically saying "gut" is not allowed.
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Post Post #580 (isolation #33) » Mon Oct 20, 2014 8:12 pm

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Sorry, out of steam- will come back to this later.
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Post Post #646 (isolation #34) » Tue Oct 21, 2014 7:17 pm

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LimMePls wrote:The part that makes my skin crawl is the part that basically says "I have a follow up, but no pressure, take your time answering it".


I guess I could provide fake pressure? :neutral:
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Post Post #647 (isolation #35) » Tue Oct 21, 2014 7:19 pm

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Anatole Kuragin wrote:i have been imaginary lynched pls take care of my imaginary family ika


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Post Post #649 (isolation #36) » Tue Oct 21, 2014 7:29 pm

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Titus wrote:
Anatole Kuragin wrote:Sorry pere, all I have is gut.


This is concerning to me. You do not generally rely on gut as town.


@Anatole- I was looking for a response to this before I brought it up, but finished reading and didn't see it. Please respond.
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Post Post #657 (isolation #37) » Wed Oct 22, 2014 5:35 am

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Anatole Kuragin wrote:
PeregrineV wrote:
Titus wrote:
Anatole Kuragin wrote:Sorry pere, all I have is gut.


This is concerning to me. You do not generally rely on gut as town.


@Anatole- I was looking for a response to this before I brought it up, but finished reading and didn't see it. Please respond.


I don't have any cases to reveal. I like where farside is going on konowa though.


I was more referring to Titus statement that, as town, you do not generally rely on gut.
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Post Post #658 (isolation #38) » Wed Oct 22, 2014 5:45 am

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Vote: Drink Coffee
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Post Post #660 (isolation #39) » Wed Oct 22, 2014 6:23 am

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Anatole Kuragin wrote:
PeregrineV wrote:
Anatole Kuragin wrote:
PeregrineV wrote:
Titus wrote:

This is concerning to me. You do not generally rely on gut as town.


@Anatole- I was looking for a response to this before I brought it up, but finished reading and didn't see it. Please respond.


I don't have any cases to reveal. I like where farside is going on konowa though.


I was more referring to Titus statement that, as town, you do not generally rely on gut.


I rely on gut at the beginning of games and transition to evidence when I think I've found something substantive. I think most people do this, they just tend to try and twist evidence to support their gut.

:up: Would like this verified/discussed by someone that has played with town-Anatole. :up:

If it becomes relevant, I'll expect you to explain why something is a transition and not a twist on your part.
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Post Post #664 (isolation #40) » Wed Oct 22, 2014 10:48 am

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Vote: Konowa
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Post Post #689 (isolation #41) » Thu Oct 23, 2014 9:23 am

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@shos- V/LA Oct 24-27
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Post Post #729 (isolation #42) » Thu Oct 23, 2014 10:35 am

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LimMePls wrote:
farside22 wrote:I really, really don't like dry-fit's vote, but if you don't like konowa as scum can you tell me what you thought about lynx comment? Lynx never thought konowa was scum until konowa made the comment about what was posted in the QT and then lynx called him a liar for it. I don't see that coming from town being pissed and tunneling a lead, that comes from hey you fucker lied.


Lynx comment came off to me as defensive "Nuh UH! YOU'RE THE ONE NOT TALKING IN THERE". I get the feeling neither one of them was doing much of anything in the QT, and both reading that as scum the other being scummy. I unequivocally don't buy into the line of thinking that because they were having miscommunication, one of the two must be scum. The rest of Konowa's play has been fine (if a little lurky) to me. To illustrate the QT mess:

Konowa wrote:Someone asked something about UT in our neighbor thread, he didn't converse at all other than to say hi once and to ask what I thought later on. I asked shos in our neighbor thread specifically about the coffee stuff and shos replied in the neighbor thread so I would assume that UT would have understood the rules.

Konowa wrote:I think Lynx's lack of enthusiasm in the qt is pretty indicative of Scum to me. I think that if Town, he would actively use the QT to probe me lay out thoughts there. I was kind of stalling to see if he would make use of it. He didn't aside two posts prodding me to post.

LynxKuroneko wrote:Konowa is complete bs. I've been trying to get Konowa to talk, and they've said crap until that post up there. Do NOT let Konowa get away with that completely bull post. There's literally NO way to get you to post here through our channel, because you're going to do what you please (like you've been doing this whole time. Lurking, and suddenly showing up to hammer for gods knows why.)

Konowa wrote:So you cast aside the reasoning -why- I wasn't posting? Lynx's first post was to say hi after a recently completed game, second was him humming to Family Guy theme, third was asking why Shea tries to make himself unlikable as possible. I see no attempt to try and get me to talk. The prod dodgy (I know that's not what it is but the feel to it) feel to his posts gave me Scum waiting for me to post first so he could go from there. I wanted him to talk first and lay out his thoughts like he was doing in the game thread, the fact that he wasn't gave me Scum vibes. Like I said in the post you quoted.


To sum it up, it looks like this to me:

UT says hi.
Konowa asks mod some questions about the setup
UT asks Konowa what he thinks of something
UT replaced by Lynx
Lynx says hi
Lynx humms Family Guy tune
Lynx asks why Shea tries to make himself unlikable.
Konowa says Lynx "lacks enthusiasm" in the QT, and believes it's scummy.
Lynx calls him out in thread over it.

I don't see Konowa-scum putting himself in a 1v1 like that by lying about what happened in the QT. I also don't actually see what Konowa said as a "lie". Lynx just views it that way from his own frame of reference. So the whole thing reads to me like neighbors who are paranoid of each other, and has no bearing on their alignment as far as I can tell.


Except Lynx flipped town. And I could go back and check, but after scumreading UT, why would Konowa not try to gain a fresh perspective to test his scumread? And try to get info from scum-Lynx if he still read him that way?
Anyways, already stated a few times.
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Post Post #730 (isolation #43) » Thu Oct 23, 2014 10:36 am

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LimMePls wrote:I'm crazy


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Post Post #732 (isolation #44) » Thu Oct 23, 2014 10:42 am

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Anatole Kuragin wrote:Guyett, ika, Metal Sonic, Titus, LynchMePls, PeregrineV

coffee votes.

Including Pere, who didn't think I was scum. Why would you vote for coffee if you weren't scumreading the top lynch candidate?


Mostly becasue I was drinking coffee at the time, and I missed voting it day1. (my fun reasons)

But, farside came in and saw exactly what I saw, which means I'm not crazy (NPI), so I want to move this day forward. The people fake-voting you have no case, and now that the shit is hitting the fan, they need to back their empty cases up or vote scum-Konowa. Or, come up with an entirely new person, but then explain why they failed to think that during the pre-drink days.
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Post Post #733 (isolation #45) » Thu Oct 23, 2014 10:43 am

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Anatole Kuragin wrote:Which wasted 9 or 10 days that people could have figured the game out in at their own speed.


Yeah, I guess once the other 5 coffee voters explain their hurry, my reason will look stupid. Until then....
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Post Post #734 (isolation #46) » Thu Oct 23, 2014 10:46 am

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Anatole Kuragin wrote:The yellow names should be under a lot of scrutiny because that is 100% anti-town behavior.


Why so?

Do you propose only the people who fake-hammered you can vote for coffee?


Anatole Kuragin wrote:When PV voted for coffee he didn't seem to have any intention of voting for me as the clear leader in the hypothetical vote counts.


Yep, no intention of voting you at all. Maybe deadline lynch, but I won't be here at deadline, and I'm very happy with my vote on Konowa.

Anatole Kuragin wrote:Fortunately PV still seems to be posting so he can address the question of why he voted for coffee.

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Post Post #737 (isolation #47) » Thu Oct 23, 2014 10:51 am

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Anatole Kuragin wrote:PV - when you have 11 days to discuss a lynch and deliberately cut it down to 2 days while townreading the most likely lynch, it's crippling the town's ability to lynch scum.


Except we didn't.
shos wrote:You have 3 days, 12 hours, 21 minutes to get into coffee phase and lynch someone; otherwise - nobody will be lynched..

Coffee happened the next day (Wed), so a little over 2 days.
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Post Post #738 (isolation #48) » Thu Oct 23, 2014 10:52 am

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Anatole Kuragin wrote:There's no town motivation for voting for coffee in that scenario.


See .
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Post Post #744 (isolation #49) » Thu Oct 23, 2014 10:57 am

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Anatole Kuragin wrote:Ok, I guess I was misreading the deadline somehow. It still doesn't make sense to vote for coffee without confidence in the lynch unless you're 48 hours from deadline.


I'm confident Konowa is scum. I'm confident enough people will see that.
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Post Post #745 (isolation #50) » Thu Oct 23, 2014 10:58 am

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ika wrote:i much rather just talk for the required time and then rush to coffe.

these long deadlines are boring me to death

pedit: during that time i would of been lurking


You drank it now, you should vote Konowa.
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Post Post #777 (isolation #51) » Mon Oct 27, 2014 10:20 am

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shaddowez wrote:So, your answer in 732 is basically saying that you had no good town-motivated reasons to do it, you just decided to do it because you felt like it?


Your quoting Anatole, but 732 is mine.

Yes, there was only a few days left to coffee. If I had not coffeed, I would have been gone and unable to vote for Konowa.

If you think those 48 hours would have produced a revelation of some sort, then we can talk about it, but I have no problem with MY coffee vote. Or my regular vote.

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Post Post #812 (isolation #52) » Wed Oct 29, 2014 10:20 am

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Lots of work today- will catch up tonight.
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Post Post #822 (isolation #53) » Thu Oct 30, 2014 7:10 am

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shos wrote:
THIS IS AN *OFFICIAL* IMAGINARY VOTECOUNT LOL

The three-day minimum for the morning phase have officially ended.
You have (expired on 2014-10-27 13:11:11) to get into coffee phase and lynch someone; otherwise - nobody will be lynched..

There are now 11 people alive, so it takes 6 votes for an imaginary lynch to happen. May I remind you that..well..you're imagining things...

shaddowez (1) - Super Smash Bros. Fan.
Konowa (1) - PeregrineV.
Anatole Kuragin (6) - Konowa, Titus, Metal Sonic, LynchMePls, Guyett, ika. - IMAGINARYNCH
Super Smash Bros. Fan (1) - shaddowez.
Metal Sonic (1) - Dry-Fit.


Not Voting (1) - Anatole Kuragin.

NOTICES:
1. NOBODY is currently on V/LA.
2. Still searching for replacement for SSBF.


OFFICIAL VOTES FOR COFFEE:

Guyett.



If I missed something/got something wrong, correct me please in bold.

shos wrote:
THIS IS AN OFFICIAL VOTECOUNT LOL

There are now 11 people alive, so it takes 6 votes for a lynch to happen.


OFFICIAL VOTES FOR COFFEE:

Guyett, ika, Metal Sonic, Titus, LynchMePls, PeregrineV.

OFFICIAL VOTES FOR A LYNCH:


Konowa (2) - PeregrineV, Metal Sonic.
Guyett (6) - farside22, dry-fit, shaddowez, LynchMePls, Titus, ika.
- LYNCH!!

PeregrineV (2) - Anatola Kuragin, Konowa.

Not Voting (1) - guyett

PeregrineV is V/LA yntil the 27th.
Shaddowez is V/LA until the 28th.
Prodding guyett.
No need lol


Night falls in: (expired on 2014-10-24 23:52:22)


"I don't give a fuck anymore! Just pick whichever of these assholes and let's start hitting them!" he said, but another jumped right at him with a stright up -amazing- punch to the face. "Your bloodlust is exactly what we're looking for here! IT'S HIM GUYS! HIT HIIIMMM!!!!"

..
"Eww."
Guyett's face didn't look like a face anymore. It was just some sort of..well...jelloooplas..tic...or something. "I don't think he's still with us, guys." The man said. "Let's check his pockets."

They took out a watch, some pennies and....POISON! YEAH BABY, THAT GUY'S A KILLER!!


Guyett has been lynched.

He was a..
Spoiler: flip
Image
Scum
Lunatic.[/spoiler][/align]

Night starts now. Deadline is in (expired on 2014-10-26 22:40:22)


Would like to hear from each player who voted differently from their original vote during the discussion yesterday. Because unless I'm wrong that's everybody except me. Makes me wonder what the point of the discussion phase is if were not going to use it for discussion, and why Anatole tried to give me so much shit for not letting the 48 hours run out.

Initial thought was that with Anatole the lynch going into coffee, and Guyette becoming the lynch, that they are probably not scum together. However, Anatole not actually voting Guyette derails that thought.
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Post Post #823 (isolation #54) » Thu Oct 30, 2014 7:13 am

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Metal Sonic wrote:
farside22 wrote:As mason because again my vote is not moving.


i am mason with titus. dont vote my mason


:neutral:

Yet, you don't play like you are a mason....
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Post Post #877 (isolation #55) » Mon Nov 03, 2014 8:01 am

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Received. back later
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Post Post #900 (isolation #56) » Mon Nov 03, 2014 4:46 pm

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shaddowez wrote:
PeregrineV wrote:Would like to hear from each player who voted differently from their original vote during the discussion yesterday. Because unless I'm wrong that's everybody except me. Makes me wonder what the point of the discussion phase is if were not going to use it for discussion, and why Anatole tried to give me so much shit for not letting the 48 hours run out.


You're wrong - you completely skipped posts and where people's votes changed. However, using the discussion phase to actually discuss things is something I'm on board with, and why I'm really not liking ika right now.


Some of them are obvious- farside coming in I expect her own reads. I'd be more suspicious if they mirrored Smash.

Metal
Konowa
Shadow
ika

less so Titus (deadline vote) and dryfit/vonflare (had some guyette suspicion)
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Post Post #901 (isolation #57) » Mon Nov 03, 2014 4:50 pm

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vonflare wrote:I'm confused about 2 things:

1) Why is there
literally no content
in the public scum qt?

2) why did everyone suddenly vote for know? That is the flashiest flashwagon I have ever seen. Went from like 1 vote to hammer in like 4 posts.

Also, hi perigrene and farside!


Hello!

Re: Konowa- , are mine, Farside explains it better (), LMP contests it
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Post Post #902 (isolation #58) » Mon Nov 03, 2014 4:50 pm

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vonflare wrote:Why do you think pv is voting for you?

@pv: why are you voting for know?


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Post Post #903 (isolation #59) » Mon Nov 03, 2014 5:04 pm

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Konowa wrote:I really have zero rational for any of my reads right now. This gamestate is so fucking apathetic and I'm pretty sure, like Guy, there's at least one other Scum just sitting back and letting you and I yell at each other.

Pretty much the main reason for me wanting to lynch ika Today. PV, there isn't any development or trying to figure anything out. He's rehashing the same point over and over again. As for AK, I didn't like the stuff early D2 but I'm probably wrong about it but it still is leaving a bad taste in my mouth.


Your actually my strongest scumread, but I haven't looked back at guyette stuff to see how he interacted with players.

Until I do that, would want to lynch Metal over Titus. ika not really a preferred lynch, although I would like the stable version of him more at this point. And I think I liked MattP play at one point. Titus I still don't have a read on, which I don't like much, but she's not pinged me either way.

Dry, Anatole, Shadow, Titus, Farside not in lynch. Farside townish.
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Post Post #920 (isolation #60) » Tue Nov 04, 2014 10:17 am

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Anatole Kuragin wrote:Let's vote coffee so we can lynch Konowa.


And this is followed by....

your vote for coffee?
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Post Post #953 (isolation #61) » Thu Nov 06, 2014 12:33 pm

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Sorry for absence. I'll read back tomorrow.

Would vote coffee, but she it's already done.

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Post Post #967 (isolation #62) » Fri Nov 07, 2014 7:34 am

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farside22 wrote:For those voting Kowana, why would scum hammer coffee, seeing he would be the main lynch?


It didn't happen that way yesterday. Kowona wasn't the majority at coffee time (not voting was), so better to get ahead of his possible actual lynch.
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Post Post #968 (isolation #63) » Fri Nov 07, 2014 7:35 am

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Current votes

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1 for farside
1 for vonfalre
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Post Post #969 (isolation #64) » Fri Nov 07, 2014 7:38 am

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Of the non-K votes, I like the Metal Sonic one better, since I think he's spending more time avoiding the lynch rather than trying to catch scum.

But even for all the rest, this is stuff that should have been brought up pre-coffee, not with one day left on a Friday.
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Post Post #975 (isolation #65) » Fri Nov 07, 2014 8:14 am

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Anatole Kuragin wrote:I have a nagging feeling titus and MS are lying


You mean they are NOT "in-thread masons"?

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Maybe you should expound on what you think that are actually saying with that statement.
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Post Post #1039 (isolation #66) » Wed Nov 12, 2014 6:26 am

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I'm here. I think we no lynched yesterday. Pretty sure it wasn't on purpose. I'll have to go back and look at the dayend and read today.

My vote is still for Konowa. And it's hard to understand how no one is saying he is town, yet he is not getting lynched.

Conversely, if he's scum then he only has one scumbuddy left, so any protection/bussing would be of the single nature.
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Post Post #1058 (isolation #67) » Wed Nov 12, 2014 9:34 am

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Metal Sonic wrote:Ok

I have enough of this

I will sonicboom both of you at the same time


i am town cop. I have inno on all my "townreads" except farside. Farside town by play.

By PoE, the remaining 3 players should be lynched. They're scummy fucks anyway.


Thanks in advance


Would like to hear why you picked each player.
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Post Post #1059 (isolation #68) » Wed Nov 12, 2014 9:37 am

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Titus wrote:Not hammering ika. I want to lynch in order of my read strength. So

VOTE: AK




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Post Post #1060 (isolation #69) » Wed Nov 12, 2014 9:39 am

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This is bothering me. Would like a voice of reason here please.
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Post Post #1139 (isolation #70) » Tue Nov 18, 2014 8:00 am

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Vote: Konowa
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Post Post #1160 (isolation #71) » Wed Nov 19, 2014 7:42 am

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farside22 wrote:Never mind mod!
Reading the front page helped.

I just noticed vonflare flipped was a
Scum Lunatic Insomniac Facewatcher - Lynched

Weird that ms had the same role name and he said he was a cop.


I just looked, and you are right. That means Metal wasn't a cop, but something else. Else vonflare was a scum cop, which doesn't make a whole lot of sense.
Vonflare claimed tracker- maybe Metal was a tracker? Other possiblity is same name but different role.... :neutral:

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Post Post #1173 (isolation #72) » Thu Nov 20, 2014 10:49 am

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ika wrote:
vonflare wrote:Here are my reads so far:

Know and farside: they continue to argue about whether dry-fit is scum, and imo it looks to me like two townies arguing. If you two could just call it off and stop trying to convince the other person, we could move forward in this game.

Metal and Titus: either they are masons, or they are scumbuddies. That means that they have the same alignment. If either of them gets night killed, then we know their alignment, but we can't count on that. I think the best play would be to lynch one of them (eventually), and then we would have either 2 scum confirmed, or 1 townie confirmed.

Still working on the rest.


this.

if you iso him he i belive at one point said that titus/sonic are both same alignment.

his iso is littered with many other things that stick out as well....

i would have to do it later cus i got work but its entirly possible that it is PV lurking it out right now if kon is town


MS had you, Konowa, vonflare and farsdie unchecked.

I agree that farside is town via play, and have no desire to lynch her.

vonflare is dead flipped scum.

I've been pretty certain Konowa is scum, with only a slight moment of doubt.

The only other person is you.

So, if you want to convince me that Konowa is town, I'll be happy to vote for you.

Otherwise, I'm not going to over-think it, will look for Titus VCA (cause I like that), and see if anyone has any better ideas than this.
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Post Post #1184 (isolation #73) » Sat Nov 22, 2014 4:43 am

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VOTE: konowa
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Post Post #1189 (isolation #74) » Mon Nov 24, 2014 5:32 pm

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ika wrote:-.-


so farside or gf..........

sigh, i need to look over the game but im going to say we do a no-lynch



Thinking you as the last scum.

Vote: ika


But, due diligence to come, just in case rose-colored glasses.
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Post Post #1192 (isolation #75) » Tue Nov 25, 2014 5:00 am

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farside22 wrote:
PeregrineV wrote:
ika wrote:-.-


so farside or gf..........

sigh, i need to look over the game but im going to say we do a no-lynch



Thinking you as the last scum.

Vote: ika


But, due diligence to come, just in case rose-colored glasses.


Why?


More because I don't think it's you.
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Post Post #1205 (isolation #76) » Wed Nov 26, 2014 8:16 pm

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@Formerfish
Look at Farside's iso with the flips in mind. Do it alongside shos iso for VCs.
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Post Post #1206 (isolation #77) » Wed Nov 26, 2014 8:16 pm

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@Formerfish
Look at Farside's iso with the flips in mind. Do it alongside shos iso for VCs.
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Post Post #1208 (isolation #78) » Wed Nov 26, 2014 8:33 pm

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Pick the name, hit the plus sign next to the list of names, pick another name (up to three total)
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Post Post #1255 (isolation #79) » Mon Dec 01, 2014 3:33 am

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Still here. Short day but will be back.
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Post Post #1282 (isolation #80) » Tue Dec 02, 2014 8:44 am

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Yeah, pretty much.

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Post Post #1283 (isolation #81) » Tue Dec 02, 2014 8:47 am

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Formerfish wrote:Far/PV- what is preventing either of you from pushing this to coffee phase? How do you guys feel about a no lynch? Quicker we get java quicker we nl quicker we move this game on down the line.


Kind of wanted more time to look things over, but Thanksgiving, Grand Prix, etc. means that I didn't have it.

Was hoping for more from ika about why he's not scum, but that never happened. And no lynch just makes sense. I will either have to worry about it tomorrow, or I won't.
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Post Post #1298 (isolation #82) » Mon Dec 08, 2014 5:00 am

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Monday - got the prod.
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Post Post #1304 (isolation #83) » Mon Dec 08, 2014 9:43 am

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ika wrote:if PV thinks im still the final scum i want him to build the entire case based of my predacetor and not me.

i would love to see him build the case based off the slot and not me


I'll be looking over both of you.
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Post Post #1329 (isolation #84) » Wed Dec 10, 2014 4:58 am

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I'm here. Doing my stuff today, and with an open mind, but telling you guys right now I'm not going to overthink it, so anything I should look at in particular please let me know right away.
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Post Post #1338 (isolation #85) » Wed Dec 10, 2014 10:38 am

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You people are crazy.

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Post Post #1348 (isolation #86) » Wed Dec 10, 2014 11:22 am

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shos wrote:I have to say, that the scum could make use of their QT to communicate, or at least announce when they sent a kill (for example, PV's kill was overridden one time without him knowing). I shouldn't have allowed cryptography, though. I totally expected the game to go - scum do some shit to confuse in the QT - town go nuts about it - etc. in practice, you guys turned it into a
three man scumteam which just doesn't talk to each other
, doesn't plan anything, kills, busses, etc. I AM DISAPPOINT.


That seems to be pretty common nowadays. It's the desire to "appear to be acting natural", which makes people talk and coordinate less in scum QTs.

Plus, you were pretty certain that town would break any code, so even with all our precautions, I was hesitant to use it.

The kills were kind of intuitive. I preferred Anatole over MS to allow MS to get another innocent (farside or Ika or Konow), resulting in the lynch of the other one for free (and MS dying that night). Then another free lynch on the uncopped, killing a copped

Anatole Kuragin, Town Lunatic Insomniac Facewatcher - poisoned N4

Uncopped, Town Lunatic ???- Lynched D5 (farside or Ika or Konowa)

Metal Sonic, Town Lunatic - poisoned N5

Leaving 1 uncopped, me, 1 copped, and Tius/Fish
Formerfish, Town Lunatic - poisoned N6

Leaving 2 copped (me and someone), and one uncopped
Uncopped gets lynched for win.


The end result I think might have been better for me.
Just speculating.
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Post Post #1349 (isolation #87) » Wed Dec 10, 2014 11:23 am

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shos wrote:oh also, some things I forgot to mention: the 3 days minimum was for two goals: 1. to prevent quicklynches, like one of my other modded games has been ruined with somewhen, and 2. to allow scum to actually plan and make a kill before townenters coffee.

The coffee idea is interesting too. The best thing, imo, town should have done is agree that once an unofficial hammer has been reached, everyone vote for coffee and lynch it asap. This would prevent people changing their votes before and after, and it will prevent a no-pressure situation where someone is at L-1 and doesn't give a fuck about it cuz he can't realy die. Also, I was sure you guys are going to lynch PV earlier because there was a time where he voted for coffee and did not vote in coffee. HOW DID YOU GUYS NOT SEE THAT.


Once people left their pre-coffee vote in coffee-time, actually not voting in coffee-time became less relevant.
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Post Post #1350 (isolation #88) » Wed Dec 10, 2014 11:28 am

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shos wrote:also reading posts 35+ for my comments may be interesting lol
http://www.quicktopic.com/50/H/Rq2BY76tQ9wet



I like the idea of limited QT usefulness and used it in Agency Mafia, but it hit that game harder than I expected, so not surprised the QT usage here was also hit hard.

Not sure why you disliked the encryption after allowing it.

I liked the *crazy* flavor.
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Post Post #1352 (isolation #89) » Wed Dec 10, 2014 11:54 am

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Just the mansion picture was creepy, so all the other pictures just upped the creep factor even more...
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