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Post Post #584 (isolation #0) » Tue Oct 21, 2014 12:08 am

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Hey.
I'm replacing in the game.
read the rules....

Can someone explain the coffee phase? I thought I got we vote for coffee, scum do poison, then vote for a player, but I read this page and see people voting for a player and coffee.
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Post Post #588 (isolation #1) » Tue Oct 21, 2014 4:57 am

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Reading through the game and I ran across this:

Anatole Kuragin wrote:
LimMePls wrote:
LynxKuroneko wrote:I can easily see one of SSBF, Metal Sonic or LynchMePls being scum, because that can read as a nicely played out bus / distance


If it were bussing or distancing, why would only one of us be scum?

Flail harder pls.


Flailing is statistically proven to be a trait of townies more often than scum.

Anatole Kuragin wrote:I'm still fine with lynching the Lynx/UT slot.

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... t=flailing



Anatole: if you thought the stats on this was fine, why were you scum reading the UT slot?

Still reading.
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Post Post #590 (isolation #2) » Tue Oct 21, 2014 5:16 am

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Konowa:
Why was this not said from the start?
Konowa wrote:L-1.

I think Lynx's lack of enthusiasm in the qt is pretty indicative of Scum to me. I think that if Town, he would actively use the QT to probe me lay out thoughts there. I was kind of stalling to see if he would make use of it. He didn't aside two posts prodding me to post.

I'll hammer in a few if anyone else wants to get stuff in.
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Post Post #591 (isolation #3) » Tue Oct 21, 2014 5:17 am

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Anatole Kuragin wrote:I was playing devil's advocate. But as you will soon read, I didn't even read that link.


Why were you reading ut as scum? I'm about page 12 and never saw a reason for your read there.
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Post Post #593 (isolation #4) » Tue Oct 21, 2014 5:20 am

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LynxKuroneko wrote:Konowa is complete bs. I've been trying to get Konowa to talk, and they've said crap until that post up there. Do NOT let Konowa get away with that completely bull post. There's literally NO way to get you to post here through our channel, because you're going to do what you please (like you've been doing this whole time. Lurking, and suddenly showing up to hammer for gods knows why.)

And I'm playing horrendously.

Also, I claimed because its the exact same as what UT said, so no idea why I'm playing terribly by reinforcing a true claim with primarily Vanilla flavor (so there's no risk of losing a power role).

*shrug* I'm convinced there's scum on my vote count.



I totally would like to explore Konowa as scum at this point.


Matt: since you read anatole well in oman's game, I would like to know your view of him here in this game.
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Post Post #594 (isolation #5) » Tue Oct 21, 2014 5:21 am

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Anatole Kuragin wrote:I thought I had a better read on UT and when he would/wouldn't act outraged than I did. I thought he was acting unnaturally.



Why did it come off unnatural?

I know I come in bias knowing his alignment, so it's hard to see from my prospective.
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Post Post #597 (isolation #6) » Tue Oct 21, 2014 6:04 am

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Anatole Kuragin wrote:
Anatole Kuragin wrote:
PeregrineV wrote:
Konowa wrote:
PeregrineV wrote:This would be the town thought flow. I don't get how waiting for him to spill stuff in the QT while he was getting lynched here is in any way town.

Except that is a gross misrepresentation by you. I was waiting for him to post -anything- and that was before enough votes to drink coffee occurred. I wasn't waiting for him to "spill stuff" I was waiting for -anything- game relevant. I can go into greater detail if necessary, and at that point we would be crossing more into theory so I'd rather not.

More game related, why the facepalm over LMP saying I'm town for my vote on Anatole? Do you disagree that Anatole is likely scum?


I'm saying why would you wait for him? How do you scumhunt him by waiting for him?

As for Anatole, I said back in day1 he looks nothing like his Timeshift game (where he was scum, and I thought he was town because he was playing/trying/etc.). Since his scum meta is *doing something*, pretty sure his doing jack-shit in this game means he's town. I'm sad it's that way, but there you have it.


I'm a late bloomer as town. I'd rather wait and have some facts before making cases than blindly and loudly push lynches on townies, creating white noise that scum can hide in.


I should have made all of this one post but - I've been burned doing this exact thing. 500 posts in a mini pushing someone and I was wrong, let scum lurk all game. LMP seems to be making the same mistake.



This is in reference to oman's game?

I know I feel that way after that game.

Titus wrote:VOTE: Metal Sonic

I want to see what shakes loose here.


Why metal? Any thoughts on those on the Lynx wagon?

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Anatole Kuragin wrote:LMP is there any townie whose lynch you
wouldn't
force down our throats?


@everyone else: comment on this post please.


I feel you get like how I can get.Passionate, can't see through the blinders, dismissing others views as bad or wrong. One game I tried to talk rational and failed by day 3 due to frustration in players who were stubborn.
Just saying that yes it reads as though your view is it and anyone else is wrong, dumb, or scum.

I'm usually more wary of those that agree with me or those that push strongly on others.

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Post Post #598 (isolation #7) » Tue Oct 21, 2014 6:06 am

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Konowa wrote:Umm, it wasn't said from the start because then it would lay way for a possible scumLynx to know what I was trying to do? How much have you read farside?

Nevermind don't answer that, probably not much if you are asking Matt for a response.



I'm on about page 17, what did you ask to UT/Lynx to figure him out? Why did you not push for anything when he was posting in the qt, example: why are you not asking me questions?
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Post Post #603 (isolation #8) » Tue Oct 21, 2014 8:43 am

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Dry-fit wrote:
PeregrineV wrote:As for Anatole, I said back in day1 he looks nothing like his Timeshift game (where he was scum, and I thought he was town because he was playing/trying/etc.). Since his scum meta is *doing something*, pretty sure his doing jack-shit in this game means he's town. I'm sad it's that way, but there you have it.

This is not how you do meta.

@SSBF:
What is your current read of Konowa?

My top scumreads are:

1. Metal Sonic: Don't like his , not advancing the gamestate even though hhe knows he should be able to. Doesn't seem to want to work together or cooperate with anyone. Like the wagon.

Metal Sonic wrote:I need Titus to answer my question.


I withhold my reads until I can get a good link to Titus

Seriously? You're question to Titus is just "are you scum?" How can the answer possibly have such a major impact on your reads?

2. Guyett: Doesn't seem to have any interest in having his voice heard or making an impact in the town. Those are things townies should always care about because if they give up their influence it just allows scum to take more control of the game.

I was going to put a third but I'm not sure I have one. Those two are clearly my two biggest scumreads. Maybe Titus/Konowa would be next.



Why are you asking about Konowa?
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Post Post #605 (isolation #9) » Tue Oct 21, 2014 9:10 am

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Konowa wrote:I really have nothing to offer at this point. Still think AK is Scum based on his D1 play regarding Lynx and then the "you [LMP] pushed this lynch" post D2.

I would lynch SSBF for #475 as it's all a bunch of hedging. Like the entire post. It's actually quite beautiful if he is scum.
Both perspectives in MattP/LMP make sense, so it's leading me to think Town/Town.


How is he hedging? An example would be nice To


Konowa wrote:
PeregrineV wrote:I find Metal too fluffy and don't feel liek he ever scumhunts, and he started this game that way. But then he posted . While I disagreed with his opinion of 80, he had an opinion and articulated it.
With that said, he then goes back to posts that are all over the place.
I like that he is taking stances.
I don't like that those stances are like unto dandelions, and a slight breeze may allow them to change.

Anyways, I strongly think Konowa is scum. (, ). I dislike Titus and Guyett at this point,
mostly for them failing to meet me expectations of them as town.


PeregrineV wrote:Actually, it's not. It's more based on contradicting statements between you and Lynx,
and NOT doing things in the neighborhood that town would do.


Expectations of town without examining motivations is the very definition of confbias.

Pere, what is your read of Anatole?


Holding this till I finish my read.
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Post Post #606 (isolation #10) » Tue Oct 21, 2014 9:33 am

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Guyett wrote:VOTE: AK

Guyett wrote:I'll try get back into this when I get home



I'd like some reasons from the lurker here.
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Post Post #607 (isolation #11) » Tue Oct 21, 2014 9:49 am

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Konowa wrote:
farside22 wrote:I'm on about page 17, what did you ask to UT/Lynx to figure him out? Why did you not push for anything when he was posting in the qt, example: why are you not asking me questions?

Keep reading then.


I read and only thing you mentionis confirm bias.

I asked you as a player I see ask questions in the past, why you did not ask ut/Lynx questions.


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Anatole Kuragin wrote:That was in reference to LMP's open recently where I had like 1/2 of the posts in the game and probably my worst play ever.


Don't follow what this post is trying to say.

I like farside's entrance to the game. I'm ready to drink coffee given we've hypothetical hammered, but I want to give farside time to be fully up to date.



Hi.
I would lynch guy or Konowa at this point
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Post Post #615 (isolation #12) » Tue Oct 21, 2014 11:10 am

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Konowa wrote:You haven't read the entire game then, or you are purposefully ignoring certain points. Which is it? I really can't tell. If you had read the entire game you would know that your slot's predecessor, SSBF, stated suspicion of me and Dry-fit asking as he did in #603 makes sense? Did you not see this?

You mentioning the confirmation bias thing is another example of me not knowing if you have actually read the entire game of if you are just ignoring certain parts. The confirmation bias was in response to Pere, as you can clearly see since you quoted it.



Would you please quote where you explained yourself about UT then. Where you asked him a question or explained why you did not.
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Post Post #616 (isolation #13) » Tue Oct 21, 2014 11:12 am

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Also I didn't read SSBF's comments too much. I don't always agree with players.
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Post Post #617 (isolation #14) » Tue Oct 21, 2014 11:16 am

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Konowa wrote:This feels like farside is asking questions for the sake of asking questions and not actually reading but just trying to make it look like she is, if that makes sense?

Like the above question from Dry-fit makes perfect sense in the context of reads from SSBF.



The only thing I noted from SSBF in the post dry fit mentioned was that SSBF voted from shadown, so I don't see how that if SSBF is hedging if he places a vote on someone.


I also wonder why Dry-Fit mentions you konowa specifically when dry-fit states no read on you himself.


Is there a reason you don't think dry-fit should respond himself to my questions?
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Post Post #619 (isolation #15) » Tue Oct 21, 2014 11:25 am

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Lets go back a bit here about why I find konowa scum right now.

Here he talks about a null read on UT.

Konowa wrote:Which I don't know what does for my read on UT at all, but yeah.




Konowa wrote:
LimMePls wrote:
Konowa wrote:I'd probably shoot and/or lynch LMP for #80.


I don't even...

LynchMePls wrote:Guyett = VI guys?


Still waiting for responses.

Yeah, pretty confident where my vote will be going during the actual vote phase.


No involvement in discussion and adding nothing to the game but talking about where his vote would go.
Why? Who? (I assume LMP but that is never said).

Konowa wrote:I've been kind of following along, but really finding very little motivation to actually post stuff.

Someone asked something about UT in our neighbor thread, he didn't converse at all other than to say hi once and to ask what I thought later on. I asked shos in our neighbor thread specifically about the coffee stuff and shos replied in the neighbor thread so I would assume that UT would have understood the rules.

I guess I should make some sort of effort today and/or tomorrow.


This says that UT did ask a game related question to konowa

Then we have the hypocrite moment from konowa

Konowa wrote:L-1.

I think Lynx's lack of enthusiasm in the qt is pretty indicative of Scum to me. I think that if Town, he would actively use the QT to probe me lay out thoughts there. I was kind of stalling to see if he would make use of it. He didn't aside two posts prodding me to post.

I'll hammer in a few if anyone else wants to get stuff in.





Konowa wrote:So you cast aside the reasoning -why- I wasn't posting? Lynx's first post was to say hi after a recently completed game, second was him humming to Family Guy theme, third was asking why Shea tries to make himself unlikable as possible. I see no attempt to try and get me to talk. The prod dodgy (I know that's not what it is but the feel to it) feel to his posts gave me Scum waiting for me to post first so he could go from there. I wanted him to talk first and lay out his thoughts like he was doing in the game thread, the fact that he wasn't gave me Scum vibes. Like I said in the post you quoted.


I asked konowa if he asked questions but all i see from konowa is complaining about lynx.

Konowa wrote:
PeregrineV wrote:This would be the town thought flow. I don't get how waiting for him to spill stuff in the QT while he was getting lynched here is in any way town.

Except that is a gross misrepresentation by you. I was waiting for him to post -anything- and that was before enough votes to drink coffee occurred. I wasn't waiting for him to "spill stuff" I was waiting for -anything- game relevant. I can go into greater detail if necessary, and at that point we would be crossing more into theory so I'd rather not.

More game related, why the facepalm over LMP saying I'm town for my vote on Anatole? Do you disagree that Anatole is likely scum?



Now he has called Pere out on this confirmbias reasoning that Pere has brought up against konowa, so I want to understand why konowa suddenly has an issue with what "town is expected" when he used the vote and reasoning against lynx in the above.

Basically he get's called out and becomes defensive about his play.

He continues to dodge my question to him about what he asked of UT/lynx and how he engaged with the neighbor to get the read he did on day 1.
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Post Post #621 (isolation #16) » Tue Oct 21, 2014 11:27 am

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Konowa wrote:Okay, farside you have officially lost me. Your thoughts are not matching up with actual content of this game.

I never said that I don't think Dry-fit should or shouldn't answer either, I was merely giving an observation.



Tell me how I lost you.

You claimed my questions where pointless before dry-fit answered them.
Maybe I have a reason to ask.

Since you mentioned it, how do you see SSBF was hedging in the post you mentioned and why is one post enough for you to scum read the player?
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Post Post #622 (isolation #17) » Tue Oct 21, 2014 11:28 am

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Konowa wrote:And farside plunges into one of her deathtunnels.

I'll be ignoring her now.


What this really says:
I'm going to ignore farsides questions and continue to act like I made a statement I did not.
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Post Post #625 (isolation #18) » Tue Oct 21, 2014 11:34 am

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Konowa wrote:
farside22 wrote:I'm on about page 17, what did you ask to UT/Lynx to figure him out? Why did you not push for anything when he was posting in the qt, example: why are you not asking me questions?

Keep reading then.


I'm just going to note the question that konowa did not answer. You know what konowa stated, he was waiting for game info convo from lynx. Why did he wait, what did he ask. How did he (konowa) engage with UT/lynx. That is what I'm asking and not see a response from konowa on.
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Post Post #626 (isolation #19) » Tue Oct 21, 2014 11:35 am

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Konowa wrote:Pretty sure I did if you actually read D2, but I'm getting the feeling you haven't read closely at all. You're twisting things to point fingers.

Example: You are asking why Dry-fit is asking about me specifically when Dry-fit hasn't mentioned a read at all on me, even though he did, albeit in what looks like a leaning scum read, in the very quote you posted in your #603. What does Dry-fit asking SSBF to follow up on his D1 read of me have anything to do at all with Dry-fit's read of me?



Would it be better if I asked why he asked about you and not titus then?

Would that help you?
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Post Post #628 (isolation #20) » Tue Oct 21, 2014 11:46 am

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Konowa wrote:BECAUSE ITS FUCKING CONTEXT.



You scum read the slot and he called you a liar.
Would you like me to quote his response again?
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Post Post #630 (isolation #21) » Tue Oct 21, 2014 11:50 am

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LynxKuroneko wrote:Konowa is complete bs. I've been trying to get Konowa to talk, and they've said crap until that post up there. Do NOT let Konowa get away with that completely bull post. There's literally NO way to get you to post here through our channel, because you're going to do what you please (like you've been doing this whole time. Lurking, and suddenly showing up to hammer for gods knows why.)

And I'm playing horrendously.

Also, I claimed because its the exact same as what UT said, so no idea why I'm playing terribly by reinforcing a true claim with primarily Vanilla flavor (so there's no risk of losing a power role).

*shrug* I'm convinced there's scum on my vote count.


Let's just quote it for those at home.

Konowa stated Lynx wasn't posting content.
Lynx called Konowa out.
Lynx flipped town.
Town has no reason to lie. Do you think that your statement about Lynx and his rebuttal should be ignored?
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Post Post #632 (isolation #22) » Tue Oct 21, 2014 11:54 am

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shaddowez wrote:Farside, you mentioned being willing to lynch Guyett, but have been focusing solely on Konowa. What sort of case do you have towards Guy?
.

I'll get to it when I get home.
I tunnel so remind me if I forget.

Konowa wrote:I'm done until you show that you have actually read the game.



Still wait for you to quote how I missed you saying you tried to interact with ut/Lynx.
Please quote where you started an effort to get to know the player.
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Post Post #635 (isolation #23) » Tue Oct 21, 2014 1:33 pm

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Guyett wrote:VOTE: lynx

Guyett wrote:Why are you so sure LMP is town?

Guyett wrote:I'll try get back into this when I get home

Guyett wrote:VOTE: AK

Guyett wrote:can we vote for coffee and then lynch AK now pls

Guyett wrote:
farside22 wrote:
Guyett wrote:VOTE: AK

Guyett wrote:I'll try get back into this when I get home



I'd like some reasons from the lurker here.


I dont like AKs flippant attitude. As for lurking I feel lost in this game. I was away for a weekend early on in the game to go to a wedding and havent really had the interest in catching up. I just need to force mysrlf to sit down and read. Also I'm much much better come day 3 with enough content to properly analyse.



Sorry for the multi quote post, currently phone posting

The long and short is guy is floating this game.
Vote Lynx, no reason, nothing said in game.
Only has asked one pointless question.
Then votes for sk today, reason is he is flippant.
WTf kind of scum read is that crap. Flippant is null at best.
All I read on top of that is excuses from him. The game is not difficult, it's not spaming and I see more off lost coming from newb or scum.
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shaddowez wrote:Farside, you mentioned being willing to lynch Guyett, but have been focusing solely on Konowa. What sort of case do you have towards Guy?



Now that I've explain guy scum read, what are your thought on Konowa and what Lynx said about his comments made via QT.
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Post Post #639 (isolation #25) » Tue Oct 21, 2014 3:07 pm

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LynxKuroneko wrote:Konowa is complete bs. I've been trying to get Konowa to talk, and they've said crap until that post up there. Do NOT let Konowa get away with that completely bull post. There's literally NO way to get you to post here through our channel, because you're going to do what you please (like you've been doing this whole time. Lurking, and suddenly showing up to hammer for gods knows why.)

And I'm playing horrendously.

Also, I claimed because its the exact same as what UT said, so no idea why I'm playing terribly by reinforcing a true claim with primarily Vanilla flavor (so there's no risk of losing a power role).

*shrug* I'm convinced there's scum on my vote count.


I'm just going to keep quoting the dead townie.
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Post Post #640 (isolation #26) » Tue Oct 21, 2014 3:09 pm

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Let me know why I should not believe the dead townie Konowa.
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Post Post #642 (isolation #27) » Tue Oct 21, 2014 3:27 pm

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Just for clarity sake.

Konowa wrote:
PeregrineV wrote:I'm saying why would you wait for him? How do you scumhunt him by waiting for him?

I didn't want to go into theory, but fine. Lynx was a replacement. Instead of prompting the discussion and going into my entire thought process I was waiting to see his thought process since it was a fresh set of eyes. Yes, he was posting in thread, but I really wasn't paying too much attention to what anyone was saying D1. He posted -nothing- game relevant in our QT. There was no "Hey, Konowa what do you think about this?" or "This is who I think is scum, what do you think?" or even final thoughts if he thought he could be wrong.

Anatole Kuragin wrote:Didn't say I didn't agree with the Lynx lynch, but it's pretty clear now it was a bad lynch. LMP was trying to incriminate someone for not mislynching (along with the rest of us).

It's not so much that you agreed with the Lynx lynch, but the fact that you agreed and now are trying to turn around and pin the entire thing on LMP.


I recall ut asked you for your view.
Did you give it?
Why is Lynx saying he tried to engage with you.
What way did he engage you that you read?

Why would you ignore the game but pay attention to the qt?

Konowa wrote:
PeregrineV wrote:I find Metal too fluffy and don't feel liek he ever scumhunts, and he started this game that way. But then he posted . While I disagreed with his opinion of 80, he had an opinion and articulated it.
With that said, he then goes back to posts that are all over the place.
I like that he is taking stances.
I don't like that those stances are like unto dandelions, and a slight breeze may allow them to change.

Anyways, I strongly think Konowa is scum. (, ). I dislike Titus and Guyett at this point,
mostly for them failing to meet me expectations of them as town.


PeregrineV wrote:Actually, it's not. It's more based on contradicting statements between you and Lynx,
and NOT doing things in the neighborhood that town would do.


Expectations of town without examining motivations is the very definition of confbias.

Pere, what is your read of Anatole?


I see you did the same thing to Lynx in post 412, please explain if you disagree.
Also I don't care for the below post as Pere did explain his read on anatole prior to your question, but you a use him of selective reading.
I feel you are doing the same thing when I ask you to quote where you explained why you did not question Lynx or ut about there read.

Konowa wrote:Pere, it seems that you are either selectively reading or not reading everything.

I fully fleshed out my reasoning for Lynx in #412.
I also said why Anatole is scum in #412.

PS - Anatole isn't scum for anything to do with a reaction test.

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PeregrineV wrote:This would be the town thought flow. I don't get how waiting for him to spill stuff in the QT while he was getting lynched here is in any way town.

Except that is a gross misrepresentation by you. I was waiting for him to post -anything- and that was before enough votes to drink coffee occurred. I wasn't waiting for him to "spill stuff" I was waiting for -anything- game relevant. I can go into greater detail if necessary, and at that point we would be crossing more into theory so I'd rather not.

More game related, why the facepalm over LMP saying I'm town for my vote on Anatole? Do you disagree that Anatole is likely scum?


I also asked you about your reason for a scum read on ssbf is based on one post.

Is there a reason you don't quote or respond to my questions and continue to gripe about reading day 2?
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Post Post #650 (isolation #28) » Wed Oct 22, 2014 12:05 am

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Metal Sonic wrote:VOTE: konowa



Hey ms.
As much as I appriecate a vote, I would like to know your thoughts on guy, Konowa and anatole.
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Post Post #653 (isolation #29) » Wed Oct 22, 2014 3:08 am

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Just for the record I have 2 that I gut scum read and 2 I scum read.
Scum read is guy and Konowa
Gut scum read is titus and dry-fit.
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Post Post #669 (isolation #30) » Wed Oct 22, 2014 3:02 pm

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ika wrote:i should go full ika mode by doign the "first to l-1 gets hammered" but i wont

but i like glossed over the last few pages.

someone want to summerize the 2 wagons right now?



Konowa lied about Lynx post in the qt and Lynx stated as much before he was lynched.

Vote: konowa
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Post Post #670 (isolation #31) » Wed Oct 22, 2014 3:04 pm

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Titus wrote:
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Metal Sonic wrote:VOTE: konowa



Hey ms.
As much as I appriecate a vote, I would like to know your thoughts on guy, Konowa and anatole.


How certain are you of Guy is new or scum?



Played a micro game he figured things out pretty well and lead the game to a town win.
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Post Post #678 (isolation #32) » Wed Oct 22, 2014 10:06 pm

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Dry fit: why did you not vote who you are scum reading?
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Post Post #681 (isolation #33) » Thu Oct 23, 2014 5:04 am

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Metal Sonic wrote:Farside I think you are town. Do not disappoint


I hope I die early.

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LimMePls wrote:I do not like the Konowa wagon AT ALL. I think the UT/Lynx vs Konowa thing was Town vs Town. Pretty sure Konowa is the counter wagon to AK-scum.

I HATE that some people here (MS) were part of an imaginary lynching wagon on AK, but are now voting Konowa once we're in coffee phase.


I don't like the AK wagon.

I really, really don't like dry-fit's vote, but if you don't like konowa as scum can you tell me what you thought about lynx comment? Lynx never thought konowa was scum until konowa made the comment about what was posted in the QT and then lynx called him a liar for it. I don't see that coming from town being pissed and tunneling a lead, that comes from hey you fucker lied.
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Post Post #684 (isolation #34) » Thu Oct 23, 2014 5:55 am

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Alright lmp.
What about konowa's case. I feel like he is buddy up by defending you against ak.

Also the other issue I pointed out is Konowa says he would think town would try to question him, but no where did he ask UT anything. If he doesn't engage, why expect someone else to do so?
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Post Post #694 (isolation #35) » Thu Oct 23, 2014 9:58 am

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LimMePls wrote:
Claim: My flavor includes that at night I talk to myself.
It's not entirely clear if this is mechanical in any way. If this is in any way relevant to you, please keep it in mind. I hadn't puzzled out that it may be relevant until during the night of N1, and decided I didn't want to claim it before coffee phase. Make of this what you will.

I'm crazy uncomfortable with all the people who hypothetical voted AK to a hypothetical lynch, and are now NOT voting him. By my count that is:

Metal Sonic
ika
Guyett
Titus



Unvote:

Vote: Guyette.


Ak lynch feels like the Lynx lynch but with more lurking.

As for your buddy comment I always feel it comes from scum. Town tend to be suspicious of everyone.
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Post Post #695 (isolation #36) » Thu Oct 23, 2014 9:59 am

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ika wrote:im wanting to hear both sides of this aruement first.

im wondering if this entire fiasco is 2 towns being run up for wrong reasons or is one a legit scum push while other is counterwagon



Vote guy.
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Post Post #747 (isolation #37) » Thu Oct 23, 2014 11:37 am

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LimMePls wrote:
farside22 wrote:Ak lynch feels like the Lynx lynch but with more lurking.


Develop that thought more fully please.



I can quote it later but if you need an example I'm looking at those that voted AK pre-coffee and those who voted Lynx and the reasons stated for those scum reads. Some where no fucking reason at all (guy) or just following others and adding nothing (titus/Konowa) fall under this.
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Post Post #768 (isolation #38) » Sun Oct 26, 2014 12:28 pm

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Vote: titus
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Post Post #772 (isolation #39) » Mon Oct 27, 2014 12:46 am

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ika wrote:farside is town for starting the counterwagon

i am thinking both of those wagons that started off were town as well

i think MS


I'd consider ms.

Metal Sonic wrote:
farside22 wrote:
Vote: titus


Farside, no



Tell me why.
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Post Post #781 (isolation #40) » Mon Oct 27, 2014 12:36 pm

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I ended up with crazy life this week.
Just got a job offer! Woot!

Mod: I can either try to post this week (can't say how frequent) or you can replace me but consider me LA till Saturday 11/01
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Post Post #782 (isolation #41) » Mon Oct 27, 2014 1:03 pm

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Anatole Kuragin wrote:The three people I was most suspicious about yesterday were all off the guyett wagon. I think at least one of MS, Konowa, PV are scum. PV probably isn't teamed with either of the other two, and also would have bussed Guyett a bit despite not voting for him.

MS tried to make a case for LMP being scum right after he scumread Guyett, so that could be a worthwhile association.



I'm talking lmp's comments into consideration with konowa. I'm not saying hey he's town here but I'm not feeling as much zeal on the slot.
I think lmp's reason's were something that make sense, I will say I was not thrilled with konowa's vote on Pere out of the blue without adding anything to the discussion.

I'm not going to disagree with MS as I said prior but I still have that dark edge of slime reading Dry-Fit right now.

Anyone town reading Titus, needs to explain why. The first person to say he voted for guy and didn't bus gets a slap in the face from me. :dead:
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Post Post #794 (isolation #42) » Tue Oct 28, 2014 1:22 pm

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Titus wrote:@Farside, why wouldn't I just let Guyett die as scum beyond wifom?

Your reads are way off here Farside. Makes me wonder if you are scum. Dance with me. Justify the reads in your post.


Nice omgus.

Yeah no one but scum pushes scum lynches right. :roll:
Your vote is in the right spot for scum bussing.
You've never respond to any VCA question and you don't have scum reads that I see wth a reason.
Let me know where I should see town titus.

@ms: you better not be referring to this:

Metal Sonic wrote:Titus, are you town?

Metal Sonic wrote:Titus if I'm not town you can hang me

We need to be in thread masons

Call me back

Metal Sonic wrote:Oh and Titus is lame for not answering my question or checking the game. Whatever.

Titus is 100% town and I want to work with you trust me and we can kill scum together Titus

I am 100% town



As mason because again my vote is not moving.
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Post Post #795 (isolation #43) » Tue Oct 28, 2014 1:32 pm

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I'm going to explain my dry-fit scum read.
Some as I stated was gut, but what really ticked at me was dry's vote on konowa. Dry listed Konowa as leaning scum and guy as scum. If he didn't believe in either wagon, why no vote on his scum read.

His reason is pretty weak for the why. There was no push from dry onto guy at all. This is typical scum behavior to list a buddy, but not push a case syndrome.
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Post Post #801 (isolation #44) » Wed Oct 29, 2014 12:24 am

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Metal Sonic wrote:
farside22 wrote:As mason because again my vote is not moving.


i am mason with titus. dont vote my mason

Konowa wrote:MS, explain to me dry-fit as scum given the context/timing of #748. Perhaps I'm of the mind now that bussing is such a suboptimal strategy for little to no gains, that I don't see it.



I pushed him about his vote and I switched my vote to guy.
It could be panic.

Okay ms, I'll tell you now if you are town and lying to me I will black list from future games.


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Post Post #802 (isolation #45) » Wed Oct 29, 2014 12:26 am

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Konowa: besides the vote you are pushing at for dry fit, is there a reason you think he is town?
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Post Post #806 (isolation #46) » Wed Oct 29, 2014 5:37 am

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Konowa wrote:Why would I need anymore reasoning than that?



I'm not a one post = scum/town type.
If there was more worthwhile then sure, but consider dry thought guy was scum it's scummier to not vote guy and be on the wagon.
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Post Post #807 (isolation #47) » Wed Oct 29, 2014 5:38 am

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Metal Sonic wrote:
farside22 wrote:Okay ms, I'll tell you now if you are town and lying to me I will black list from future games.


ok. but this will only hold true if you are town.

are you town?



Yes. :nerd:

So who else you scum reading then?
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Post Post #813 (isolation #48) » Wed Oct 29, 2014 11:58 am

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Konowa wrote:
farside22 wrote:I'm not a one post = scum/town type.If there was more worthwhile then sure, but consider dry thought guy was scum it's scummier to not vote guy and be on the wagon

Okay, then sans town cred which is dumb considering how little to nothing you actually gain from bussing, why does dry-fitScum vote Guy in that situation instead of voting PV or just not posting?



Do you remember anything about dry finding Pere scum?
As I said before not voting his scum read makes him scummy. That included avoiding the thread
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Post Post #815 (isolation #49) » Wed Oct 29, 2014 12:39 pm

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Konowa wrote:I've sort of whittled down my acceptable lynch pool to {ika, PV, and AK} in that order for Today.



I don't get why ika is on this list with the crap I'm getting with you about dry.

Let's talk about dry's involvement in the game. Would you say informal or non existent?
Does he read as trying to figure today out?
Now here is my question to you: when your scum do you interact with your buddy at all? Or list them as scum?
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Post Post #826 (isolation #50) » Thu Oct 30, 2014 8:24 am

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Metal Sonic wrote:i think probably dryfit or konowa

but ika play terrible



My experience with ika is all ongoing game stuff.
I will say you have no room to speak ill of others play. :lol:

I had this crazy shadow scum thought, but it was more POE.


@pere: I noted ash voted shadow. My scum reads were more Konowa and giy. I switched votes off of Konowa because lml's comments made sense although I think Konowa thinking you and anatole as scum together makes no sense at all based on anatole's attack yesterday.
Again it bugs me because of the bs I'm getting from him about dry's vote on guy.
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Post Post #827 (isolation #51) » Thu Oct 30, 2014 8:25 am

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Ash = smash
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Post Post #852 (isolation #52) » Sat Nov 01, 2014 1:15 pm

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Konowa wrote:Day1 stuff with regards to Lynx but he is harping on one singular point and dismissing any notion that I am Town.

At least farside is considering that I might be Town.



I have not figured out whether to thank or kick lmp, but I'm not a fan of your defense of dry.

Vonflare: hi spammer man. Did you or will you be reading this game or just cruising from here?
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Post Post #860 (isolation #53) » Sun Nov 02, 2014 10:44 am

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Konowa wrote:You know farside, going back #813 doesn't really answer the question I asked.

What does dry-fit as Scum gain from his vote and push of Guy when he did?



Explain why anatole and Pere look like scum if you are going to continue asking about one fucking vote.

Seriously.

Dry said guy was scum and did not vote him, initially. Why the fuck does that make him look town?
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Post Post #861 (isolation #54) » Sun Nov 02, 2014 10:45 am

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vonflare wrote:
farside22 wrote:
Vonflare: hi spammer man. Did you or will you be reading this game or just cruising from here?


Spammer man? No comprende.

I read from the beginning of the current day already, with intention of reading from the beginning soon.

Anything else?



I believe you are the one from MISh mash. You were on there often, hence spammer man.

What opinion do you have from what you read?
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Post Post #868 (isolation #55) » Mon Nov 03, 2014 5:11 am

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Anatole Kuragin wrote:Let's vote coffee so we can lynch Konowa.



Why do you think he is scum?
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Post Post #878 (isolation #56) » Mon Nov 03, 2014 8:21 am

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Konowa wrote:I'm sorry if it's not your cup of tea, but I'm trying to figure out if farside is Scum or not because while her train of thought process is a jumbled mess half the time, I'm having a hard time believing what she is saying in regards to dry-fit and think it might be because she is Scum. Or it might be her jumbled mess thought process. I haven't decided yet and am waiting on her to respond. Other than that I said who I was comfortable with lynching awhile ago.



I'm still waiting for you to explain a scum read between anatole and Pere, when all you have done is complain about dry's vote on guy.

Why is that town and not scum bussing? Why do you think dry would vote for you over his scum read as town?
Why do you act like scum don't fucking bus when you are put anatole and Pere as scum together.
That makes no sense to me.
You realize anatole made a case on Pere?
Why do they make sense as scum together based on anatole's push on Pere?

WHAT MAKES DRY A TOWN READ?

If you fucking bring up his vote one more fucking time I will put you on ignore till you make sense on your scum reads and reasoning.
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Post Post #879 (isolation #57) » Mon Nov 03, 2014 8:25 am

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If Kowana continues to not awnser my questions I will be voting for coffee and lynching him.
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Post Post #886 (isolation #58) » Mon Nov 03, 2014 9:34 am

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Konowa wrote:farside, you are completely missing the point.

If dry-fit is scum, WHY would he vote -for- Guy -when- he did? That is what I am asking you to answer. I'm not the one complaining about dry's vote. You are. You think he is scum for it and I'm telling you that you are wrong. Scum bus sure but it makes -zero- fucking sense to do it when he did. Coffee phase was into and it was complete fuckery. PV was at four (?) votes, if dry-fit scum he could easily have said "Hey, time's winding down, even though I really want to lynch Guy we probably won't have enough time, so vote: PV". INSTEAD he voted -for- Guy. Instead of driving a mislynch, he drove a lynch. How the fuck is that not Town? Is it because he didn't vote Guy out of the gate at coffee phase? Show me any real interest in a Guy lynch when coffee phase started? I'll wait. I'll be waiting awhile because there really wasn't enough interest for a Guy lynch at the time. It was mostly AK or I. He didn't like an AK lynch so he voted me because we had little time. After discussion and time winding down the above scenario I already described happened.



Is it that difficult for you to understand?
He thought guy was scum. He did not vote guy, he voted for you.
He then votes for guy. Why would he vote Pere without ever suspecting him? What sense does that make?
To look more scummy? To vote on someone he never said anything about, especially after I asked him about his vote.
Sure let me vote Joe Schmo. No one will say crap. That makes total sense.
You do realize somewhere that scum don't tend to make waves. They stick with reads and lay low or say nothing of value.

Just because you don't see scum motivation does not mean i don't make sense.
Maybe you should read Zor's game to see what scum did that game and how active and how much they were involved in playing the game.
Then tell me How crazy is my reasoning.
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Post Post #890 (isolation #59) » Mon Nov 03, 2014 3:18 pm

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Konowa wrote:So, let me make sure I understand you correct farside.

dry-fit as Scum bussed his partner who was no near getting lynched when a much easier compromise deadline lynch in PV was available? Is that what you are asserting?



yes.

Does it make sense for Dry to vote for Pere just for the reason you gave after I asked about his vote on you?

If so why?
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Post Post #891 (isolation #60) » Mon Nov 03, 2014 3:20 pm

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shaddowez wrote:
Anatole Kuragin wrote:
Anatole Kuragin wrote:
Konowa wrote:Why exactly, AK?


It just makes sense to me. You had almost no interaction at all with Guyett aside from saying he could be scum (with me). You also criticized Pere's reasoning, calling it confbias, after he said he didn't like you and Guyett.

You asked for a flash wagon on Titus or Guyett, which could be genuine rather than a bus.

I'd rather lynch MS.


This ^ plus MS could be a mason.

Konowa and guy makes sense as a team to me. He said Guy, titus, and me were scum then was voting PV at the time of the lynch. He had no interaction with Guy except pseudo-defending him. His cases haven't made sense and it seems like he's just being reactive in general.

Why do you think MS could be a Mason? They specifically mentioned being in-thread masons, unless you think they're just throwing that out there to..I don't know why they would do that.

Konowa wrote:I'm sorry if it's not your cup of tea, but I'm trying to figure out if farside is Scum or not because while her train of thought process is a jumbled mess half the time, I'm having a hard time believing what she is saying in regards to dry-fit and think it might be because she is Scum. Or it might be her jumbled mess thought process. I haven't decided yet and am waiting on her to respond. Other than that I said who I was comfortable with lynching awhile ago.


I'm having a similar issue. Farside is deathtunneling, but that's not necessarily a scum tell. I had a scum read on her predecessor though, and I'm not sure her activity lately is helping that.

I'm also thinking about looking into PV as scum, but not sure yet. Need to re-read again.


Love to have a reason why my activity reads anything but scum hunting.

This tells me nothing at all of why.

Like why Pere is someone you need to read on?
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Post Post #892 (isolation #61) » Mon Nov 03, 2014 3:28 pm

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Konowa wrote:So, let me make sure I understand you correct farside.

dry-fit as Scum bussed his partner who was no near getting lynched when a much easier compromise deadline lynch in PV was available? Is that what you are asserting?



Also something you seem to miss in your comments.

If guy is possibly not going to be lynched, why not vote him?

As scum you are not on a wagon you never said anything about. You don't have to explain anything, if pere is town for example, about why you voted and eventually you have to bus your scum buddy. When is the best time? How long do you get to float by as scum without bussing?

What I don't get from you is that Dry-Fit was pretty much laying low most of the game and you called out Anatole, Pere and SSBF but what I really, really, really don't get is why.

What I don't get is why you think I could possibly be scum when I unvoted you and voted guy. Those things make no sense.

You get all this indignity about a player who could have voted town and say where is the scum motivation in not voting for another easy wagon, why can you even say someone who stopped voting you and switched to scum is scum?

You keep using the vote as a reason to town read a player and it just pisses me off when I ask you to explain scum motivation between anatole and Pere and yes I'm referring to your scum list.
How can you ask about bussing and rationale about one player and not explain your own scum reads based on interaction between others?
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Post Post #893 (isolation #62) » Mon Nov 03, 2014 3:43 pm

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I'm going to expand on a few things Dry said through the game that never really read right to me and why I say gut.

Dry-fit wrote:
MattP wrote:I legitimately do not believe that Anatole could think either of the two posters in the scum QT sound like TSQ

There are now four names that have posted in the scum qt, so the same scumbag can post under more than one name. Both of the posters could have been the same person.

LimMePls wrote:Why are you RVS'ing and ignoring someone begging to have the rules explained to them? Town wouldn't ignore the plea for help. Also, why didn't you ask the mod that question before now?

I didn't feel I had anything to add to SSBF's post right before mine. I also wasn't entirely certain about the rules myself.

I didn't ask shos before because I didn't realize that the rules don't specify what happens if a majority doesn't vote to drink coffee until the game started.

SSBF seems town. I don't think scum would come out calling to start the coffee phase so early. It's unlikely to work and very likely to draw heat.

I don't like Metal Sonic's . He's happy with the gamestate but isn't willing to actually contribute to advancing it. Guyett is in a similar situation but isn't as explicity complacent.
Unvote. Vote: Metal Sonic.


Though out the game all his case on Metal is what you read here. Even pages later it is the same case.
There is no adding, no flow of things that he continued with to add as a scum read about MS.

Dry-fit wrote:
LynxKuroneko wrote:Right. Good luck, town. I see why UT replaced.


Yikes.
Unvote. Vote: LynxKuroneko.


LimMePls wrote:I feel strongly enough about the slot that I'm ready to drink coffee for the lynch. Just saying.

I'm not. But damn.

Lynx. We want more detail about your claim. Can you explain any of the flavor of your role? Obiously you should paraphrase so you don't get mod killed.



AtE is a null tell. The reason for the vote is never explained but this is what I get reading the post.
Basically just reads as opportunistic.

Dry-fit wrote:
@Titus:
Why are you ignoring me?

I'm going to give people a chance to catch up before I vote. I'll vote in the morning if Lynx isn't lynched by then.

PeregrineV wrote:
I think that most of the discussion should occur in the pre-drink phase(?), and that any changes from the final pre-drink vote to the drink vote should be explained. We had a similar mechanic at least once in Politics Mafia where the final vote came after "discussion" votes.

I think we should take a harder line on it than that. Did allowing changing votes after "discussion" work in Politics Mafia?


What happened to the questions he asked to lynx? He doesn't care what was said.
Anyone who uses this is being careful is typically scum.


Dry-fit wrote:
LimMePls wrote:
Anatole Kuragin wrote:LMP is there any townie whose lynch you
wouldn't
force down our throats?


@everyone else: comment on this post please.

It's sensationalistic. Doesn't make him look more or less scummy to me. If I have a problem with Anatole it's that he's taking a naive view about Matt avoiding the Lynx wagon.

That said I have Matt as a pretty strong town read.

Vote: Metal Sonic.
Let's go back in this direction LMP.


Going back to MS because? No really I have no clue other then post 116.

Dry-fit wrote:
PeregrineV wrote:As for Anatole, I said back in day1 he looks nothing like his Timeshift game (where he was scum, and I thought he was town because he was playing/trying/etc.). Since his scum meta is *doing something*, pretty sure his doing jack-shit in this game means he's town. I'm sad it's that way, but there you have it.

This is not how you do meta.

@SSBF:
What is your current read of Konowa?

My top scumreads are:

1. Metal Sonic: Don't like his , not advancing the gamestate even though hhe knows he should be able to. Doesn't seem to want to work together or cooperate with anyone. Like the wagon.

Metal Sonic wrote:I need Titus to answer my question.


I withhold my reads until I can get a good link to Titus

Seriously? You're question to Titus is just "are you scum?" How can the answer possibly have such a major impact on your reads?

2. Guyett: Doesn't seem to have any interest in having his voice heard or making an impact in the town. Those are things townies should always care about because if they give up their influence it just allows scum to take more control of the game.

I was going to put a third but I'm not sure I have one. Those two are clearly my two biggest scumreads. Maybe Titus/Konowa would be next.


I find this the more interesting,
First as I said the same case on MS as before but Guy is now on the list. Any clue why or where this came from? I saw only one comment prior to this towards guy.

Dry-fit wrote:
Unvote. Vote: Guyett.
Better than an AK lynch.


The vote on Guy. (as konowa said MS wasn't going anywhere so here is guy for a last minute vote.

Dry-fit wrote:
Vote: Konowa.
Not very optimal though.

Titus wrote:How certain are you of Guy is new or scum?

He's not new. He just wants to be useless for some reason.


vote on Konowa. This makes little sense if dry had konowa as leaning scum why he didn't feel more strongly about the lynch.

Becuase I think we should vote the people with the most hypothetical votes when coffee phase starts. Otherwise thing get chaotic. Like they are right now. Plus the votes were split 4-4 I think between AK/Konowa and MS had 0.

AK and PV are such terrible options.

Unvote. Vote: Guyett.


I think this can happen. It really should. But I really hate our position now.[/quote]

Sure let me vote guy but I don't see it happening post. No push, no real anything about it. Just a vote.
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Post Post #897 (isolation #63) » Mon Nov 03, 2014 3:58 pm

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Konowa wrote:I really have zero rational for any of my reads right now. This gamestate is so fucking apathetic and I'm pretty sure, like Guy, there's at least one other Scum just sitting back and letting you and I yell at each other.

Pretty much the main reason for me wanting to lynch ika Today. PV, there isn't any development or trying to figure anything out. He's rehashing the same point over and over again. As for AK, I didn't like the stuff early D2 but I'm probably wrong about it but it still is leaving a bad taste in my mouth.



I'm not trying to yell.

I'm sorry if that is how it comes across.

I just think dry is scum and I'm not sure on the third but I don't think it's PV. TBF anatole typically reads scummy to me. I think his cases are terrible and ika really gives me fits and zor's game gives me no fun and happy moments when I think of ika and how he plays the game.

Titus doesn't read town at all to me and I'm not sure if MS is lying for some reason or if Titus is being lazy because MS is his mason buddy and can skate by.
It's pretty much POE and that is why shadow is on my scum list.
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Post Post #899 (isolation #64) » Mon Nov 03, 2014 4:17 pm

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Konowa wrote:We have like the exact opposite reads :?



It's not like you were scum reading guy. :lol: :mrgreen: :nerd:
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Post Post #906 (isolation #65) » Tue Nov 04, 2014 12:40 am

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PeregrineV wrote:
vonflare wrote:I'm confused about 2 things:

1) Why is there
literally no content
in the public scum qt?

2) why did everyone suddenly vote for know? That is the flashiest flashwagon I have ever seen. Went from like 1 vote to hammer in like 4 posts.

Also, hi perigrene and farside!


Hello!

Re: Konowa- , are mine, Farside explains it better (), LMP contests it



Did you disagree with lmp? If so why?
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Post Post #922 (isolation #66) » Tue Nov 04, 2014 1:12 pm

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ika wrote:
shos wrote:
shos wrote:
  • After a prod is sent, players have 1 day [24 hours] to respond IN-THREAD in some *actual* way - not just a prod-dodge - or they will be replaced.


  • :mad:


    troll mod: BTHC I WANT COFFIE IF WE ARE NOT GETTIGN COFFE I HAVE NOTHING TO SAY



    Why is Kowana scum?
    No you wanting to hammer doesn't explain shit to me.
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    Post Post #926 (isolation #67) » Wed Nov 05, 2014 2:01 am

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    ika wrote:
    farside22 wrote:
    ika wrote:
    shos wrote:
    shos wrote:
  • After a prod is sent, players have 1 day [24 hours] to respond IN-THREAD in some *actual* way - not just a prod-dodge - or they will be replaced.


  • :mad:


    troll mod: BTHC I WANT COFFIE IF WE ARE NOT GETTIGN COFFE I HAVE NOTHING TO SAY



    Why is Kowana scum?
    No you wanting to hammer doesn't explain shit to me.


    its not a real lynch so i just did it for lolz?

    really this coffe phase is the part i ignore b/c its easy for anyone to just lurk it out i rather move on with coffe where we haev 48hrs and real pressure



    So who is scum and why ika?
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    Post Post #931 (isolation #68) » Wed Nov 05, 2014 6:34 am

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    Not going to be there.
    Work and RL and I think distance keeps me out of those events.
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    Post Post #936 (isolation #69) » Thu Nov 06, 2014 1:28 am

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    vonflare wrote:
    Konowa wrote:
    vonflare wrote:What is titusmeet?

    Anything of value you would like to add to the game?




    vonflare wrote:Here are my reads so far:

    Know and farside: they continue to argue about whether dry-fit is scum, and imo it looks to me like two townies arguing. If you two could just call it off and stop trying to convince the other person, we could move forward in this game.

    Metal and Titus: either they are masons, or they are scumbuddies. That means that they have the same alignment. If either of them gets night killed, then we know their alignment, but we can't count on that. I think the best play would be to lynch one of them (eventually), and then we would have either 2 scum confirmed, or 1 townie confirmed.

    Still working on the rest.



    This tells me nothing.

    Why do you think ms or titus is scum. The claim means fuck all.

    Ika: do you think Kowana is scum?
    If so why?
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    Post Post #954 (isolation #70) » Thu Nov 06, 2014 12:46 pm

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    Vote: vonflare



    I consider voting ika mostly because I don't see why he think Konowa is scum and if town is a detriment.
    1 vs 1 with two players! I felt myself die a bit seeing it, especially with little reason given for that belief.
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    Post Post #964 (isolation #71) » Fri Nov 07, 2014 1:11 am

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    vonflare wrote:VOTE: farside

    You gave literally no reason for voting for me.


    Yes I do.

    You gave nothing with your catch up but a shit post and I found your predessor scum.
    Your reaction should be note. Also titus gave no fucking reason for her vote, so why don't you explain using her quotes where you see where she is coming from.

    For those voting Kowana, why would scum hammer coffee, seeing he would be the main lynch?

    I'll want sk and Pere to respond more to my question.
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    Post Post #965 (isolation #72) » Fri Nov 07, 2014 1:11 am

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    Sk should be ak.
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    Post Post #976 (isolation #73) » Fri Nov 07, 2014 12:42 pm

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    Anatole Kuragin wrote:What question fs?


    This:

    farside22 wrote:

    For those voting Kowana, why would scum hammer coffee, seeing he would be the main lynch?

    I'll want ak and Pere to respond more to my question.



    vonflare wrote:^^^^^^^^

    /agree


    Just pointing out.
    This player said the following not too long ago.

    vonflare wrote:@farside: I do not think ms and Titus are scum, I'm saying they are 100% the same alignment.

    I do not think know is scum, but I can see where Titus is coming from with his scumread.



    I will not be moving my vote from this opportunitic scum.
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    Post Post #983 (isolation #74) » Sat Nov 08, 2014 6:35 am

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    vonflare wrote:
    Anatole Kuragin wrote:I think it's worth a possible mislynch since it will literally win us the game if MS flips scum.


    Agreeing with this does not contradict my original statement, farside. You are creating cases out of nothing.



    I'm sorry did I miss a case you made that explains a sudden scum read you never had?

    *looks back*

    Nope.
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    Post Post #1001 (isolation #75) » Tue Nov 11, 2014 12:53 pm

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    Kowona: Why did you vote for coffee and allow that no lynch? You realized most people where going to be gone during that time?
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    Post Post #1004 (isolation #76) » Tue Nov 11, 2014 1:23 pm

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    Konowa wrote:The fuck?

    My one vote wouldn't have made a fucking difference.

    Get the fuck off my back, farside.



    You hammered the coffee vote.
    Then did nothing.
    Tell me why.
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    Post Post #1006 (isolation #77) » Tue Nov 11, 2014 2:25 pm

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    vote: coffee

    vote: konowa
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    Post Post #1067 (isolation #78) » Wed Nov 12, 2014 4:39 pm

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    Places certain people on ignore.

    Vote: vonflare


    Ms: Check ika or Kowana or me if you want.
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    Post Post #1071 (isolation #79) » Thu Nov 13, 2014 5:59 am

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    Anatole Kuragin wrote:does anyone understand what titus is doing/saying?


    I think Titus is talking about ika town but if she believes the claim from MS I don't get why she voted for you.


    Titus: You want to explain that at all?
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    Post Post #1076 (isolation #80) » Thu Nov 13, 2014 2:08 pm

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    Vonflare: why did you track me over ms last night.

    Ms: why did you check those you claimed?
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    Post Post #1118 (isolation #81) » Fri Nov 14, 2014 12:04 pm

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    Vote: Konowa
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    Post Post #1123 (isolation #82) » Sat Nov 15, 2014 11:45 am

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    we need a lynch people.

    I hate seeing konowa keep disappearing like this. I didn't like his play most of the game.
    Ika is giving me fits with the stupid 1 vs 1 with almost every fucking player here. Seriously it's just stupid.

    Titus is doing shit all this game and frankly I find myself agreeing with ika about Titus lack of presence in the game. With an insane theme I wonder if the cop claim a bit.

    Ms; Where you told what your results would be. Innocent, guilty, lunatic, ectra?
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    Post Post #1128 (isolation #83) » Sun Nov 16, 2014 4:21 am

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    Fine

    Vote: vonflare
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    Post Post #1137 (isolation #84) » Tue Nov 18, 2014 7:46 am

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    Vote: coffee

    Vote: Konowa
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    Post Post #1144 (isolation #85) » Tue Nov 18, 2014 8:33 am

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    Konowa wrote:You're still wrong.


    lets see I was wrong about dry because you defended him.
    I was wrong about my reads over all or just you?
    Tell me oh sarcastic one. Why no vote on ika?
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    Post Post #1145 (isolation #86) » Tue Nov 18, 2014 8:34 am

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    ika wrote:
    Konowa wrote:Well, everyone else is cleared by MS, sans farside, so what are you saying?


    your the final scum or that we have scum GF


    I am most concerned about titus from all the confirmed.
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    Post Post #1150 (isolation #87) » Tue Nov 18, 2014 8:51 am

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    ika wrote:
    Konowa wrote:Because I'm at the point where I don't care about the hypothetical lynch anymore. Just vote for coffee, real votes won't count until the minimum three days is up anyways.

    ika wrote:your the final scum or that we have scum GF
    I'm going to flip Town. Who's Scum?


    titus

    im in agreemnt with farside on this, titus has been just about coasting the entire game after being tunred into an "in-thread mason"

    really, farside is cleared by guyette (her stating that wagon is A+ scum bussing if shes scum)
    im cleared by farside trying to counterwagon me (in b4 someone says wifom)



    Wifom. :lol: :lol:

    Coffee is over.

    Vote: Konowa
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    Post Post #1151 (isolation #88) » Tue Nov 18, 2014 8:56 am

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    shos wrote:
    Well, that was quick.
    THIS IS AN OFFICIAL VOTECOUNT LOL
    Image
    Each one to their own perception of crazy....


    There are now 6 people alive, so it takes 4 votes to move onto coffee phase, and in it, 4 votes to lynch.


    Morning minimum protocol of 3 days ends in
    (expired on 2014-11-21 20:22:22).

    The day Deadline is cut short and is in
    (expired on 2014-11-23 20:22:22).


    OFFICIAL VOTES FOR COFFEE:

    Konowa, farside22, Anatole Kuragin, ika
    <<HAMMAH>>
    [/size]

    UNOFFICIAL VOTES FOR AN UNOFFICIAL LYNCH:

    Konowa (3) - farside22, PeregrineV, ika

    Not Voting (3) - Konowa, Anatole Kuragin, Titus.


    Notice:
    I kinda like the color above(my mistake, lol), so I'll keep it.
    If I get PMs from *everybody* to get coffee before 3 day minimum, I will consider it. Only PMs, only consider.



    Mod:
    I'd appreciate if you stick with the rules

    The game starts in a MORNING PHASE. During that time, the living lunatics communicate using their BlueTooth earpieces.
    This phase will last at least 3 real-life days.

    During this phase, players may vote to drink coffee as mentioned in the above post. Should majority of the players vote for coffee before 3 real-life days pass, the phase will end immediately at the 3-day mark.

    The scum team needs to choose their kill and submit that to me IN A PM during the Morning Phase. After a majority of the players has voted to drink coffee, the sun sets. It shall then be the EVENING PHASE, or in the name mentioned above, the COFFEE PHASE. The mafia kill has to be submitted before the Coffee Phase; if no such kill has been submitted until the phase has arrived, nobody will be poisoned when drinking, so there will be no nightkill.


    This is what I expect and will note for later with a quick coffee phase.
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    Post Post #1154 (isolation #89) » Tue Nov 18, 2014 11:40 am

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    ika wrote:why?

    if its koniwa we have no reason to wait.



    Titus still sits in my scum list craw.
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    Post Post #1156 (isolation #90) » Tue Nov 18, 2014 4:31 pm

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    ika wrote:why?

    if its koniwa we have no reason to wait.



    I thought coffee ended the day phase for the scum to make the kill.
    I thought the mod was saying coffee phase is still intact till everyone agrees.
    Am I reading the intention incorrectly?
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    Post Post #1157 (isolation #91) » Tue Nov 18, 2014 4:33 pm

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    Wait my brain exploded. Coffee last 3 days no mater what.
    Wow what a crap rule
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    Post Post #1158 (isolation #92) » Tue Nov 18, 2014 11:14 pm

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    I'm going to be busy today but I had one question.

    mod: do we know besides a flip if scum had an PR ability?
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    Post Post #1159 (isolation #93) » Tue Nov 18, 2014 11:17 pm

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    Never mind mod!
    Reading the front page helped.

    I just noticed vonflare flipped was a
    Scum Lunatic Insomniac Facewatcher - Lynched

    Weird that ms had the same role name and he said he was a cop.
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    Post Post #1163 (isolation #94) » Wed Nov 19, 2014 11:49 am

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    ika wrote:easier explimation:

    sonic is town cop
    von is scum ROLEcop



    Yeah he stated tracking players and he stated they went no where with each player.

    Do you think it was any wifom with the claim?
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    Post Post #1165 (isolation #95) » Thu Nov 20, 2014 6:51 am

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    ika wrote:
    farside22 wrote:
    ika wrote:easier explimation:

    sonic is town cop
    von is scum ROLEcop



    Yeah he stated tracking players and he stated they went no where with each player.

    Do you think it was any wifom with the claim?


    what you mean?


    I'm probably overthinking things.
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    Post Post #1167 (isolation #96) » Thu Nov 20, 2014 9:36 am

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    ika wrote:
    farside22 wrote:
    ika wrote:
    farside22 wrote:
    ika wrote:easier explimation:

    sonic is town cop
    von is scum ROLEcop



    Yeah he stated tracking players and he stated they went no where with each player.

    Do you think it was any wifom with the claim?


    what you mean?


    I'm probably overthinking things.


    probally? what were you thinking?

    if this helps heres how occam razor would work in the situation:

    premisis: someone lied
    vonfalre lied: he lied so he could avoid a direct CC by sonic which would result in a 1v1 fight and that its still cop/rolecop
    sonic lied: tbh i dont see any incentive to claim cop as tracker due to the fact tracker is weaker


    Typically I see scum claim a role like that and at times clear their scum buddy.
    I also started thinking about Pere and I don't recall him ever interacting with any of the flipped scum and only talking about Konowa most of the game.
    Just one of those things that go through my head.
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    Post Post #1168 (isolation #97) » Thu Nov 20, 2014 9:38 am

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    vonflare wrote:I am a tracker.

    Night 1 dry-fit targeted Anatole, and he did nothing.
    Night 2 dry-fit targeted Titus, he did nothing.
    Night 3,
    I
    targeted Farside and she did nothing.

    Tonight I want to target sonic to see if he is lying.



    Actually never mind I see he said titus not Pere.
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    Post Post #1171 (isolation #98) » Thu Nov 20, 2014 10:20 am

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    ika wrote:
    vonflare wrote:Here are my reads so far:

    Know and farside: they continue to argue about whether dry-fit is scum, and imo it looks to me like two townies arguing. If you two could just call it off and stop trying to convince the other person, we could move forward in this game.

    Metal and Titus: either they are masons, or they are scumbuddies. That means that they have the same alignment. If either of them gets night killed, then we know their alignment, but we can't count on that. I think the best play would be to lynch one of them (eventually), and then we would have either 2 scum confirmed, or 1 townie confirmed.

    Still working on the rest.


    this.

    if you iso him he i belive at one point said that titus/sonic are both same alignment.

    his iso is littered with many other things that stick out as well....

    i would have to do it later cus i got work but its entirly possible that it is PV lurking it out right now if kon is town


    That post makes me think titus is scum but then I go well that makes no sense scum would know ms was not only lying about being mason so why pick ms over titus.

    See my brain goes to crazy mode.

    There was one other thing....

    This:
    Titus wrote:Lol. I am still alive. Time to get cracking on lynching Knowa and then verifying by VCA.


    Makes no sense. It reads as though titus knows Kowana is town.
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    Post Post #1182 (isolation #99) » Fri Nov 21, 2014 2:11 pm

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    Vote: Konowa
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    Post Post #1190 (isolation #100) » Tue Nov 25, 2014 1:15 am

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    PeregrineV wrote:
    ika wrote:-.-


    so farside or gf..........

    sigh, i need to look over the game but im going to say we do a no-lynch



    Thinking you as the last scum.

    Vote: ika


    But, due diligence to come, just in case rose-colored glasses.


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    Post Post #1191 (isolation #101) » Tue Nov 25, 2014 1:23 am

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    Mod: v/la till Friday
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    Post Post #1196 (isolation #102) » Wed Nov 26, 2014 1:43 pm

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    Formerfish wrote:I'll be around later to catch up with you blokes. Anything I should know going in?



    It's mislynch lose.

    Cop in game checked you and Pere.
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    Post Post #1198 (isolation #103) » Wed Nov 26, 2014 1:56 pm

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    Formerfish wrote:Who was the cop? Who else did they check out?



    MS, he checked ak.

    Pere thinks ika is scum between me and him. I've been wondering if there is a gf in the game because titus did shit all the whole game and seemed to know there would be another day prior to Konowa flip.

    The worst part is many people are quiet, probably due to holiday, and I'm not certain what to do.
    Whether to just no lynch with no discussion and not let the scum know where people stand or talk it out.
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    Post Post #1215 (isolation #104) » Thu Nov 27, 2014 1:52 am

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    Go to user, go to player you want, hit the ply sign then you can see another ISO.

    Fish, why you hate me? All you had was theory there about sssbf.
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    Post Post #1216 (isolation #105) » Thu Nov 27, 2014 1:53 am

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    Ply= +
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    Post Post #1217 (isolation #106) » Thu Nov 27, 2014 1:55 am

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    Also want to know from ff, why he bypassed everything I said in the game and only posted yesterday's vote on Kowana
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    Post Post #1222 (isolation #107) » Fri Nov 28, 2014 2:08 am

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    Formerfish wrote:Ok, finished. Liking far side more, ika a lot less.

    Vote ika



    Why?
    Please don't tell me it's because one read more town then the other.
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    Post Post #1226 (isolation #108) » Fri Nov 28, 2014 12:06 pm

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    Okay.

    When you have a chance can you look at Pere too.
    I know the cop claim from ms cleared him, I just need to see someone hing
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    Post Post #1229 (isolation #109) » Fri Nov 28, 2014 5:30 pm

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    Formerfish wrote:I did a full read through of the game. What would you like to discuss?



    Kowana brought up pere's tunneling on him.
    Did you think it was valid?
    I don't recall Pere saying anything about guy or much about dry-fit
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    Post Post #1231 (isolation #110) » Sat Nov 29, 2014 3:11 am

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    Formerfish wrote:I do remember that, and I do think it is valid to a point. Kowana dug his own grave when he screwed over his neighbor in thread. I would need take another look to see about associations.

    Here is what I have in reference to Ika, and I am going to do this from memory, because fuck it. When Von was going down he tried to throw Ika under the bus, which could show us that Von was trying to lead us down the wrong road, but it could also be misdirection trying to lead us away from the right one. Ika is the only person to put forth the idea that we might have a GF in the game (a game which as far as I know was not advertized as bastard which a GF would certainly be), and I think that the reason he did that was because he knew that MS was right on with his investigations, and had soft cleared farside, leaving Ika as the only choice for a lynch as the last scumbag. Ika had to do something to widen the lynch pool back up from just him and farside, fearmongering about a mythical GF was the only shot he had. Ika 1v1's dude like a over the hill porn star doing bukake. The idea that Von was a rolecop was as out of left field as the GF claim. His hammer of Vons wagon could go either way, but scum trying to shut their already dead partner is a thing. And now this whole "I don't give a fuck" thing is just reeking of bullshit to me.

    That is what I see in Ika.

    Discuss.

    oh, and I am not doubting MS at all or expecting a GF to show up in the game, so since I know I am town, I am assuming PV is as well. In my mind this comes down to 2 people, Ika, or Farside. I could be open to the idea of no lynching here and seeing which of me or PV dies.


    I didn't think GF was considered bastard.


    Mod: is GF considered bastard game do you know?


    I'm just a bit paranoid about that aspect. If he says yes I would vote ika in a heartbeat.
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    Post Post #1238 (isolation #111) » Sat Nov 29, 2014 1:32 pm

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    I had a sort of a moment of clarity that would help.

    mod: if a player does not sumbit an action do you random org a player's choice? Or are they considered no action taken
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    Post Post #1244 (isolation #112) » Sun Nov 30, 2014 12:24 am

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    Titus is more then likely confirmed town.
    She hasn't been around since the 18th which was before day end I believe.
    Will verify shortly
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    Post Post #1245 (isolation #113) » Sun Nov 30, 2014 12:27 am

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    Lynch was on the 22nd and no other post anywhere from titus since the 18th.
    I know she has site flaked.

    Leaving this as confirming titus town that didn't submit kill.

    Down to ika or Pere.
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    Post Post #1248 (isolation #114) » Sun Nov 30, 2014 8:57 am

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    Sigh.
    I feel like no one is really scum hunting at this point.
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    Post Post #1258 (isolation #115) » Mon Dec 01, 2014 6:19 am

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    ika wrote:
    Formerfish wrote:I actually voted you during this phase because I had hoped that someone would have forgotten that votes didn't count.

    Coffee


    I'm no lynching and forcing scum to pick which conftown dies.


    thats how i caught von tbh.........

    he was unaware the VC wasnt offical and went "well fuck" and then i went "HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHA"

    im fully aware of entire setups and rules regardless of alignments almost every time cus its my habit

    much like how farside is also unaware that vonflare could submit the nk instead of titus slot



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    Post Post #1259 (isolation #116) » Mon Dec 01, 2014 6:21 am

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    Formerfish wrote:
    ika wrote:
    Formerfish wrote:I actually voted you during this phase because I had hoped that someone would have forgotten that votes didn't count.

    Coffee


    I'm no lynching and forcing scum to pick which conftown dies.


    thats how i caught von tbh.........

    he was unaware the VC wasnt offical and went "well fuck" and then i went "HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHA"

    im fully aware of entire setups and rules regardless of alignments almost every time cus its my habit

    much like how farside is also unaware that vonflare could submit the nk instead of titus slot


    For today's kill? I thought the kill had to be sent in during the morning phase, to be completed during coffee phase.


    I had the same confusion.
    I asked the mod and he said the mafia submit during the night phase.
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    Post Post #1265 (isolation #117) » Mon Dec 01, 2014 12:22 pm

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    I give up trying to figure out the rules.
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    Post Post #1267 (isolation #118) » Mon Dec 01, 2014 1:48 pm

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    Formerfish wrote:I'm confused now. Did or didn't the MOD explicitly state when scum had to kill to you in a pm?



    I was arguing with him about the coffee phase, reading the scum does it before morning.
    He said the do it before coffee, so I thought he meant night.
    Now I read morning phase and I still feel confused which time the scum do it.
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    Post Post #1269 (isolation #119) » Mon Dec 01, 2014 4:33 pm

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    The scum team needs to choose their kill and submit that to me IN A PM during the Morning Phase. After a majority of the players has voted to drink coffee, the sun sets. It shall then be the EVENING PHASE, or in the name mentioned above, the COFFEE PHASE. The mafia kill has to be submitted before the Coffee Phase; if no such kill has been submitted until the phase has arrived, nobody will be poisoned when drinking, so there will be no nightkill.

    This is why I'm confused.
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    Post Post #1271 (isolation #120) » Mon Dec 01, 2014 4:49 pm

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    Formerfish wrote:Which part?


    The part where it says the scum submit before the coffee phase.
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    Post Post #1275 (isolation #121) » Mon Dec 01, 2014 11:47 pm

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    Formerfish wrote:Far/PV- what is preventing either of you from pushing this to coffee phase? How do you guys feel about a no lynch? Quicker we get java quicker we nl quicker we move this game on down the line.



    I'm thinking no lynch.

    Vote: coffee


    As for the mafia kill I think where I'm also confused my the rule is if the scum submit the kill the morning before coffee, how did someone die night 1. Day 1 started with coffee....I thought.
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    Post Post #1276 (isolation #122) » Mon Dec 01, 2014 11:47 pm

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    By not my.
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    Post Post #1277 (isolation #123) » Tue Dec 02, 2014 1:06 am

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    Ah.
    Mod showed me that game started in morning phase.
    Coffee phase makes no sense in my view.
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    Post Post #1278 (isolation #124) » Tue Dec 02, 2014 1:06 am

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    What I mean is coffee phase is pointless.
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    Post Post #1280 (isolation #125) » Tue Dec 02, 2014 3:40 am

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    Vote: no lynch
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    Post Post #1287 (isolation #126) » Fri Dec 05, 2014 1:48 pm

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    Shos: I want extra this game for game shit is way past.


    Hi ika

    I need to think.
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    Post Post #1290 (isolation #127) » Sat Dec 06, 2014 3:10 am

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    Vote: coffee
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    Post Post #1292 (isolation #128) » Sat Dec 06, 2014 1:19 pm

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    You high?
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    Post Post #1294 (isolation #129) » Sun Dec 07, 2014 8:11 am

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    I have a feeling I'm missing something.
    More and more I think of what shos said the last time we had coffee end early.
    Soooooo ika.
    Is it hard to talk to me here?
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    Post Post #1297 (isolation #130) » Mon Dec 08, 2014 2:21 am

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    ika wrote:
    farside22 wrote:I have a feeling I'm missing something.
    More and more I think of what shos said the last time we had coffee end early.
    Soooooo ika.
    Is it hard to talk to me here?


    not really?

    UNVOTE: coffie

    what do you want to talk about?

    heres how it is FMPOV:

    its cop cleared vs town by play

    i know im town. therfore one of you is scum. (and before we go into the "im scum WIFMOM argument" its FMPOV).

    so it falls back tow hat you want to talk about?


    I never think black and white.
    If you think that, why did you vote for yourself?

    I'll wait for Pere.
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    Post Post #1300 (isolation #131) » Mon Dec 08, 2014 5:38 am

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    shos wrote:
    phew, here was me thinking 'how the fuck is someone going to replace into a 3p lylo 52 pages game which is ending in less than 55 hours'



    I hate this game.

    I was happy with my read till this moment.

    I blame ms for not checking me.

    Fuck
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    Post Post #1301 (isolation #132) » Mon Dec 08, 2014 5:56 am

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    Starting with Pere first and why I'm scum reading him.


    PeregrineV wrote:
    shaddowez wrote:I'd also love to hear more about what people think about the Konowa/UT neighbors. Considering the theory of this game, and the fact that we're all supposed to be connected all the time, including hearing the scum talk, I'm really going to be surprised if there's neighbors.

    Pere - You mentioned drinking coffee as close to the max time as possible. What do you think of dry-fits idea of agreeing to basically auto-vote whoever has the most hypothetical votes at the time we go into evening phase?


    I 'd like to hear the flavor for the nieghbors, since my impression is we're all talking over earpieces. Assuming it's true, I think it slightly higher chance of being scum/town than town/town (prob 60/40), but don;t feel the need to scumhunt in the neighborhood just yet.

    I think that most of the discussion should occur in the pre-drink phase(?), and that any changes from the final pre-drink vote to the drink vote should be explained. We had a similar mechanic at least once in Politics Mafia where the final vote came after "discussion" votes.


    I don't like how he approached the neighborhood and saying one was scum.

    PeregrineV wrote:
    LimMePls wrote:Elaborate on this please. How is his play here different from his obv-Town play in Timeshift?


    I was the SK, and I had a hard townread on Anatole, who turned out to be scum. I am partial to townreading certain playstyles, and Anatole-now is different from Anatole-Timeshift, which in theory mean Anatole-now is town (because Anatole-timeshift was not), but that just seems dumb to think that, so net result is I want more and better posting from Anatole.

    Not sure if that answers the question or makes sense, but there you have it.


    This is fluff posting. I see players post stuff like this to be friendly and understanding and then flip scum.

    PeregrineV wrote:
    LimMePls wrote:Secondly, because Matt's vote during the coffee phase was too much "I know this is going to flip town, so let me get away from it". The fact that he had 0 chance of actually causing another wagon to form and lynch his target means he KNEW it was nothing more than for appearances. If he had a problem with the lynch, he should have pushed hard against it BEFORE we drank coffee. But he didn't, he pushed it hard. Only after we'd drank coffee and committed to the lynch did he back off and pursue MS.


    The last 3 coffee votes came -305-306 within 30 minutes of each other, and pretty much an hour later there were four votes on him.
    There wasn't any time to do anything before coffee was drunk other than what was already done.

    Deciding that Lynx wasn't as scummy as UT doesn't seem like a thing scum-Matt would do no matter what Lynx might flip.

    You have any other reason?


    Noted this because of pere's read on mAtt and his excuse for not being around.

    PeregrineV wrote:
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    PeregrineV wrote:
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    Konowa wrote:
    Anatole Kuragin wrote:So because Matt disagreed with the bad lynch you pushed, he's scum?


    Vote: Anatole Kuragin


    Konowa's town.


    :facepalm:


    Do you really not see how bad that post was, and why Konowa's vote was good?

    Unvote
    Vote: Anatole Kuragin


    Given --, yes the post was bad.
    Konowa voting him does not help.
    You voting him is null.


    I don't get the point of this post or why Pere calls anatole null. Pere's barely said boo about anatole.

    PeregrineV wrote:
    Dry-fit wrote:
    PeregrineV wrote:As for Anatole, I said back in day1 he looks nothing like his Timeshift game (where he was scum, and I thought he was town because he was playing/trying/etc.). Since his scum meta is *doing something*, pretty sure his doing jack-shit in this game means he's town. I'm sad it's that way, but there you have it.

    This is not how you do meta.


    Not doing meta so much as establishing the baseline for expectations. Meta would require multiple games, research, etc. I tend not to do that as much as I used to, because reliability issues on the conclusions.


    This is the only interaction from dry fit to Pere and it's pretty weak attack from dry to Pere.
    This comment from Pere and Pere was town I'd see scum try to push hard on Pere.

    PeregrineV wrote:
    Guyett wrote:I'm an idiot :/


    Yeah, but you're not, so I don't get this.


    Weak back and forth between guy and Pere.
    No push from Pere and this is the first time Pere says shit about issues with guy.

    PeregrineV wrote:
    LimMePls wrote:@PV: Can you flesh out your null read on MS further? Also, who are your top scum suspects right now?


    I find Metal too fluffy and don't feel liek he ever scumhunts, and he started this game that way. But then he posted . While I disagreed with his opinion of 80, he had an opinion and articulated it.
    With that said, he then goes back to posts that are all over the place.
    I like that he is taking stances.
    I don't like that those stances are like unto dandelions, and a slight breeze may allow them to change.

    Anyways, I strongly think Konowa is scum. (, ). I dislike Titus and Guyett at this point, mostly for them failing to meet me expectations of them as town.


    Pretty weak cases on others from Pere.

    PeregrineV wrote:
    ika wrote:-.-


    so farside or gf..........

    sigh, i need to look over the game but im going to say we do a no-lynch



    Thinking you as the last scum.

    Vote: ika


    But, due diligence to come, just in case rose-colored glasses.


    Then we have the only choice Pere could make on a player he never said boo about.

    Most of the game Pere only went after Konowa and I don't ever recall Pere tunneling this much....ever.
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    Post Post #1302 (isolation #133) » Mon Dec 08, 2014 7:25 am

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    ika wrote:hmmmmm....

    guyett/sonic/PV?

    ika wrote:VOTE: guyette

    can we do metal next? i wont be around for this and i dont trust anyone

    ika wrote:farside is town for starting the counterwagon

    i am thinking both of those wagons that started off were town as well

    i think MS

    ika wrote:im thinking its titus/sonic or at least one of them

    truth be told, i have paied like no attentiont o much after the lynch went though, i only pay attention to the 48 hr deadline march (which is what im used to)

    ika wrote:oddly enought the only thing that sticks out after isoing guyyet is that ak is probally town and that titus is most likely the scum buddy based off interactions

    ika wrote:
    Konowa wrote:1v1 is the dumbest thing ever.


    then dont vote me. i will 1v1 you

    we could always do ak again

    ika wrote:
    Titus wrote:LOL. :-p


    your 1v1ing me right now when we go to coffie

    ika wrote:
    Anatole Kuragin wrote:like, someone misspells the word "families" in the QT. that should be damning enough for ika


    doesnt see you voting for coffie or me and that your enitre case resides on that one point is pathetic

    get to doing it first then i can move on with my life

    @titus, its not brilliance tbh, its stupid he just used the cop unorthoxdily

    you should know by fucking now that no matter what your role is, if you scum read me i go full agro 1v1 with you. even if you had a revealed ic role i would still 1v1 you.

    parker should know this by now that no matter what role you are, you dont scum read me

    pedti: VOTE: ika

    lets do me first plz

    ika wrote:nah

    im gonna move on with life

    VOTE: vonflare

    ika wrote:anyone want to put up the idea we have GF if sonic is sane invesgative?

    ika wrote:
    vonflare wrote:Dammit ika hammered me, then voted another person. What scummy play.


    VOTE: vonflare

    i can put it right back where it should be if you want to potshot me

    ika wrote:VOTE: flare

    if he tracker i douct theres doc



    Okay so looking at ika the things I don't like is the 1vs1 comments or how he switched reads.
    His interaction with vonflare was fine.
    Didn't like the scum trying to start a counter wagon in me.

    The biggest thing is ms didn't check me it ika and ika does mention the gf posdiblity.

    I have to run out but this will stay till I can think
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    Post Post #1305 (isolation #134) » Mon Dec 08, 2014 9:44 am

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    ika wrote:you ddont have to really convince me on PV scum right now.

    im scum reading him too.



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    Post Post #1309 (isolation #135) » Mon Dec 08, 2014 1:04 pm

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    Okay then
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    Post Post #1311 (isolation #136) » Mon Dec 08, 2014 4:34 pm

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    ika wrote:well we need to get a vote going and im not going to be the one fucking it up



    *cant tell if serious*
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    Post Post #1314 (isolation #137) » Mon Dec 08, 2014 4:38 pm

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    Sigh

    Vote: Pere


    If I'm wrong I blame Pere and ms.
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    Post Post #1317 (isolation #138) » Mon Dec 08, 2014 4:43 pm

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    Well I'm relieved.
    I'll be pissed if I have to argue for 2 days against pv
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    Post Post #1320 (isolation #139) » Mon Dec 08, 2014 4:48 pm

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    ika wrote:dont worry PV already have my vote half on him due to the fact he was going to build the first case on me

    now he has to agrue why you are it to me



    fun. :roll:

    Don't expect me to engage in the argument.
    Last time I was in lylo as town I think was the time I got so emotional I switched votes onto the other player for being a dumb ass.
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    Post Post #1326 (isolation #140) » Wed Dec 10, 2014 1:21 am

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    I blame ika if town loses
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    Post Post #1342 (isolation #141) » Wed Dec 10, 2014 11:00 am

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    Ika: wtf were you thinking.
    You get I me to vote.
    Say your going to do something.
    Then preceded to wait for Pere to magically make a case.
    Base in what? Seriously this end took longer then needed after I voted
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