You could be Anyone IV - GAME OVER

[Spider Gwen]

Vote: Garmr

[Spider Gwen]

Ooo! Better idea!

Vote Natural Aristocracy

[Spider Gwen]

You going to ignore my obvious cries for attention, Varsoon?

[Spider Gwen]

Do you post fluff often Eagle?

[Spider Gwen]

Old friends, or...?

See: Secret Alt Mafia 2
I like you. Vote someone.

Meanwhile...

Unvote
Vote Errantevilmustache

[Spider Gwen]

I'm going to go out on a limb and say Varsoon's town.

[Spider Gwen]

@Eagle: It's a joke. I was saying hi to Varsoon.

[Spider Gwen]

@Eagle: It's a joke. I was saying hi to Varsoon.

The vote, or calling him town?

The vote. Mainly me calling him by his alt name. I thought it'd be funny.

I got a minor gut suspicion now but it's still RVS.

Why does that matter?

[Spider Gwen]

I'm going to go out on a limb and say Varsoon's town.

VOTE: Spider Gwen

You disagree?

Unvote:
Vote: Stormy Titus

Anin might be scum too.

P-edit:

[Spider Gwen]

@Mod: Inte is voting me.

@Stormy: Answer me.

Mod - yes, yes he is!!

[Spider Gwen]

@Eagle: It's a joke. I was saying hi to Varsoon.

The vote, or calling him town?

The vote. Mainly me calling him by his alt name. I thought it'd be funny.

I got a minor gut suspicion now but it's still RVS.

Why does that matter?

Posting my thoughts. No one else seemed to be out of RVS yet. Best to be transparent with thoughts in the game. It might matter to someone reading us.

You're being cautious. I don't like that. It screams scum Titus.

[Spider Gwen]

You have a serious suspect, but you're refusing to vote them because RVS? That's super duper cautious, and I can't believe that it's coming from town you.

[Spider Gwen]

So what's the beef with AJ? Because it has to be something big to sideline a serious suspect.

[Spider Gwen]

So what's the beef with AJ? Because it has to be something big to sideline a serious suspect.

You changed the words. I had a gut suspicion. Jeanne chimed in with hers. Jeanne specifically said it was the other head.

It was more serious than RVS. That was my point. I just found it suspect that you pursued that instead of a non-random suspect. That's not what I expect from a town Titus. But I can see scum Titus being very cautious and feeling things out. An Anen vote doesn't change that.

[Spider Gwen]

I don't like the thread right now.

Why? We're still in RVS mostly. I got a minor gut suspicion now but it's still RVS. You've been the focus, so why don't you like it?

Was this Titus or Jean?

[Spider Gwen]

I don't like the thread right now.

Why? We're still in RVS mostly. I got a minor gut suspicion now but it's still RVS. You've been the focus, so why don't you like it?

Was this Titus or Jean?

Titus

~Titus

Then yeah. It doesn't excuse anything. Why were you using RVS as an excuse to be cautious on pursuing Eagle?

[Spider Gwen]

@Stormy: You seemed to be using RVS as an excuse.

[Spider Gwen]

I think it's time for a d1 Titus wagon.

[Spider Gwen]

5) I don't buy the Gwen response. I don't really buy the Aneninen accusation. Nothing to say about them because I don't think there's anything that signifies the accuser or the accusee (that's not a word) as town or scum.

This sounds like you have more here, but you don't want to give the analysis because it's easier to go after Eagle.

Green thinks she's trying to frame town.

Okay, so Green is Jean. Titus doesn't think in these terms. Also, Titus has dealt with me before in SA2, so she should have an idea how I go about getting reads.

[Spider Gwen]

You generally don't pursue reads after they've been proven false.

~Titus

I think you missed the whole me being hard headed aspect of my play. And here I was starting to change my mind on you...

[Spider Gwen]

I sort-of want to call TSO sour for how his posts come off as being unproductive, however, that is probably this old lady being senile.

I think it's mostly null. But if I had to pick a side, I'm actually leaning town.

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This sounds like you have more here, but you don't want to give the analysis because it's easier to go after Eagle.

How did you take "nothing to say about them" and get "this sounds like you have more here"

You said that you didn't buy what either of us said, which means that you had a problem with what was said. That means there's some analysis of some sort there. But you don't focus on any of that and instead go after Eagle, which is a bit easy at this point. It sounds like you actually have something deeper about our back and forth, and it worries me that you would not at least give further thought on it, which you clearly have, choosing to instead focus on one thing: Eagle.

[Spider Gwen]

I'm going to go out on a limb and say Varsoon's town.

Why?

It's how he reacted to my vote and the votes that followed. Varsoon as scum would be trying to take control of the game in some manner. He didn't. He actually seemed a bit confused and lost. That points to him being town.

Also why did you feel it was necessary to change your vote three times on page 1?

Is something going to happen if I change my vote too many times? Is the thread going to explode?

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@Eagle: Why is Elyse not a town read for you?

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Feeling good overall on my Titus read. She should be putting in more effort if town. Her switching to attack mode is not a good sign.

[Spider Gwen]

Don't mean to interrupt but I have focused eagle as well and tunneled him and you haven't said anything about me yet? What do you think of eagle now and what do you think about my case on him. What about his responses as well do you think they are addressing my case or leading astray.

I'm not sure what to think about you yet. I've kinda glazed over your argument with Eagle. I do like how you're trying to interact with me here. So that's a plus. As for Eagle, some of his early stuff made me smile, so I've kinda been letting him do his own thing. I don't like Errant's attack on him, and I have a scum read on Stormy, so I'm leaning town. But I can't say that it's really for anything he's really done at this point in time.

[Spider Gwen]

Feeling good overall on my Titus read. She should be putting in more effort if town. Her switching to attack mode is not a good sign.

What do you mean by attack mode? Am I mistaken in thinking that your early push on Titus was that she wasn't being aggressive enough?

It was about Titus being cautious with her vote. I was a bit mistaken with this, but that hydra did try to hide in RVS and prioritized a random vote over a somewhat serious one. I sensed that Titus wasn't trying to put her or her hydra out there, i.e. caution. The attack on me is something else. It's retribution. Everything she's said about my play is false, as you can read Secret Alt 2, even in ISO, and come away with a vastly different impression of my play than Titus is giving here. She should know that I do have hard headed tendencies. But she should also know that I was trying to feel her out. Which was why I was talking to her when trying to understand her play and not talking at her. If town, I wanted her to prove me wrong and talk me down. That didn't happen, and she lashed out at me. Not only that, she then tried to muddle up her play. That's a scum reaction.

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i wonder if 5-6 people scumreading klingon for making a bold fos means anything

I think this post means grapes is scum.

[Spider Gwen]

EP what are your some of your thoughts outside of EE?

~Spiffy

I can definitely follow and agree with what most of what Gwen is saying outside of the Titus read and the Garmr trying to interact with Gwen being town points.
So for that, Gwen is town.

Don't understand the townreads on AJ.

209 don't understand if this is legitimate misunderstanding or just a deflection. I'm leaning towards the latter.
That being said I don't think 172 seems rehearsed and although I am slightly uncomfortable with how spifflop says it is (172 seemed like a post that someone who wanted to push a mislynch would say is rehearsed), the lop part is acting pretty towny.

I do not like 203. VOTE: itlepip
Disregarding whether or not 172 is genuine

Interesting that you point out the buddying towards AJ, yet your vote doesn't go towards any player buddying her. And you vote itle for post 203? That's weaker than weak sauce.

Your play feels very careful and contrived. Awaiting spiffehs meta on you, but in the meantime

vote: Extrapolated Eagle

You think Errant is scum, but you go for Eagle instead? That doesn't add up.

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@Spider Gwen
Someone who changes their vote three times on page 1 seems nervous and jittery to me and considering your join date I thought maybe you could be newbscum. But I don't think that anymore.

What about those votes looked nervous or jittery to you? I thought they were anything but.

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But be warned, my lady, for if the storm belongs, then you do not.

I particularly like this post:

i wonder if 5-6 people scumreading klingon for making a bold fos means anything

Why do you like it? I find it to be scummy.

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randomidget is scum.
Discuss.

~Spiffy

I'm thinking you're right.

[Spider Gwen]

I knew I forgot something. In order: Read the game. And no.

[Spider Gwen]

i wonder if 5-6 people scumreading klingon for making a bold fos means anything

If Klingon flips scum this is her buddy.

~Spiffy

I... highly doubt that

Okay. Why?

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Also stop buddying me I haven't done anything to warrant a town read yet.
hiplop has though

~Spiffy

And I haven't done anything to warrant a scumread.

Good for you scum boy.

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I haven't played scum much before.

I can't believe I'm about to say this...but it looks like you've scum slipped. If not, please go further into what you're thinking here.

[Spider Gwen]

So, ladies and gentlemen of the forest, why is Elyse so angry? Why is she so frustrated? Well, to put it in her words it's because:

Excuse me but my win rate is very good as scum.

She's frustrated she was not expecting to get caught after falling for such a silly gambit. She's already set herself up in a difficult spot after budduing one of her scum buddies, and she knows that if she gets caught here it's going to be bad juju for mafia. Vote Elyse. Let's lynch scum

Yeah...not seeing it.

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I also think it makes Klingon scum, so vote there plz

Go further into this please. Because I'm not sure what you're talking about.

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@AneN

Nah Shiro is town and I have no idea who clotilde is

You could be Clotilde.
So, do you want to be Clotilde?

I am already

Captain James Tiberius Kirk though

I have a very bad feeling about this.
VOTE: Shiro

What about those posts make Shiro scum?

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UNVOTE:
VOTE: spider gwen

Whatever. Call me when you want to put some effort in.

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@Spider gwen that was horrible.. You took a line out of where it was and left it alone making it sound really out of context. (I rechecked the post in question to make certain)

I've gone over that post over and over, and that just does not fit. It's the "before" that's throwing me off. It tells me that he's scum now, not in a past game. I mean, I wish I'm wrong here. I'm hoping that Eagle is able to clear this up and I just looked at it cross-eyed somewhere, because I really don't trust the whole slip notion in the first place. But I just can't wrap my head around how that could be anything else.

[Spider Gwen]

@Shiro: Maybe. Which is why I'm not voting him. I actually want to hear from him first.

[Spider Gwen]

Unvote:

Hippy, talk to me.

[Spider Gwen]

Stranger's posts have a "look everyone! I'm busy!" quality to them. I also don't think the Jaquen head would approach a scum read in that manner.

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@Spider Gwen
Your votes aren't jittery. I thought they might be at first but they're not.

I don't think your slip on EE is a slip, but why do "wish you were wrong here"? If I were you I'd be ecstatic that I caught scum and push him with huge capital letters.

It reeks of "my buddy slipped and I should call him out on it for towncred before someone else does" except now you're hesitant because people aren't reacting to it. Giving him a chance to explain furthers this theory. Scumslips aren't explainable. You slip or you don't.

I like Eagle. He amuses me. And as I said, I'm not a huge believer in scum slips. But that one still stood out to me. And I'm hoping I'm wrong, because I like Eagle and really don't want to believe that is a slip.

Do you think he slipped there?

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gwen, whats up? what do you need clarification on exactly?

What did you mean in #285? I felt like I wasn't really following the conversation there.

[Spider Gwen]

Ehh...I kinda have to turn sideways to see it. Maybe.

New tac:
@Eagle: Do you make 1/1 associations often?

[Spider Gwen]

Vote: Grapes

I really want this one Hippy.

P-edit: You read my mind.

[Spider Gwen]

@Elyse: And exactly how do you think scum push a slip accusation?

[Spider Gwen]

I particularly like this post:

i wonder if 5-6 people scumreading klingon for making a bold fos means anything

Why do you like it? I find it to be scummy.

I liked it because it stood out. I didn't see scum sticking their neck put for something like that. I mean, I see how it could be scum my, but I liked it because it kind of defended Klingon to get him to talk more, And because it begged people to think about things without distracting too much from what was already going on. And now I like it because even though no one responded in the way I think he thought they would, it created a wagon. And I'm pretty sure I'm going to get reads out of that wagon.

In short, it created content. Thoughtful content, in a way.

The effect that it had has nothing to do with whether the post is scummy or not or whether grapes is scummy or not. That was a no content post where Grapes was staying on the sidelines. He doesn't take a definitive stance. So he's not sticking his neck out for anything. It's him testing the waters. Not him begging people to think. Your entire approach is backwards.

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Spifflop, you're my top townread. Just wanted to let you know.
Elyse is a ways behind you but still towny.

Hippy, this is not a town post.

[Spider Gwen]

@Elyse: And exactly how do you think scum push a slip accusation?

What do you mean? How would scum push a slip against their own team member?

I'm confused and not even sure what we're talking about any more. I just remember that it wasn't important and was a follow up question. Can't remember the point.

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Auntie J is town. Cool.

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Stranger's posts have a "look everyone! I'm busy!" quality to them. I also don't think the Jaquen head would approach a scum read in that manner.

A man isn't busy but is finding Battlefront of much and more interest than this. That is having nothing to do with scum reading this one. Gwen is scum and anyone touching a wagon that one is helping to champion is pushing a mislynch.

Except that is still not how I'd expect Jaquen to push a scum read as town. No effort given. No points awarded.

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I'm actually townreading Innocent. That series of events concerning mixing up Eagle and Errant is too silly not to be true.

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You've already proven you can think ahead. What's to say that you didn't put your neck on the line just so that you can use this defense later?
I personally don't believe it, just want to hear your response.

Far too risky. I'm a horrible actor. I did try to gambit once as scum and I don't think I've ever been lynched faster, with the exception of my first couple mafia games - I was annoying as crap (still kinda am, I guess) and stupid and thought that everyone that voted me must be scum.
When I gambit as I have a hard time figuring out how to read people without cutting my options down too much. I haven't played scum much before.

If you're a terrible gambiter, why would you deliberately try a gambit to draw votes to me and suppose it would succeed?

I feel even worse for calling that a possible slip. This is a horrible post.

Eagle I am so sorry...

[Spider Gwen]

Spiffyloppy and Spidey (Gwen), dearies, I do hope you take a nice good look at the composition of the grapes wagon you are forming and realize why grappy is sweet.

I need to look back at that grape post and double check to see if it was a knee jerk. Not happening tonight though.

grapes (5): Spider Gwen, Spifflop, Errantparabola, itlepip, Passionate Storm
This is not a wagon on a sour player.

There's actually only 2 names there that I hate.

[Spider Gwen]

Elyse, how do you feel about spidergwen? How do you feel about lynching her today?

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Let's just focus on town blocking.

Unvote:
Vote: Stormy

Lynch her! Lynch her! Lynch her! Lynch her! Lynch her! Lynch her! Lynch her! Lynch her! Lynch her! Lynch her! Lynch her! Lynch her! Lynch her! Lynch her! Lynch her! Lynch her!Lynch her! Lynch her! Lynch her! Lynch her! Lynch her! Lynch her! Lynch her! Lynch her! Lynch her! Lynch her! Lynch her! Lynch her! Lynch her! Lynch her! Lynch her! Lynch her! Lynch her! Lynch her! Lynch her! Lynch her! Lynch her! Lynch her! Lynch her! Lynch her! Lynch her! Lynch her! Lynch her! Lynch her! Lynch her!

[Spider Gwen]

@itlepip, passionate storm, Elyse, and anyone else who's on right now, what are your thoughts on Shiro and Varsoon?

Varsoon is town. No clue on Shiro.

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Ok Titus is town.

~Spiffy

I strongly disagree.

[Spider Gwen]

@Elyse @Titus Back off of me, both of you. Seriously, I didn't say I would ask for the time. I didn't say I wanted to give her more time. You have your meta reads and stuff. Fine. Let me read her for myself. I wanted her answer and I was hoping to get it without it being polluted by anyone. I'm building a freaking theory here, I'm trying to put the pieces of the puzzle together and you're getting in the way. Did I ask you? No. So back off for a second and let the girl answer. I have to go into work somewhat early tomorrow, so I'm working on putting tomorrow morning's reads out tonight, but that's not going to happen if you mess with my answers. I promise you can yell about how I'm scum all you want AFTER I get my answer.

This is incredibly town.

Spider Gwen. Describe yourself. Are you crazy and kinda carefree when maybe you shouldn't be, or certain and detached?

I try to be carefee with this alt, although I do have my stubborn side. There are times when my facade drops and you can see the real me. At those points I'm pretty ticked off. I think you can say I wear my emotions on my sleeve.

[Spider Gwen]

It might be best to ask someone who was in Secret Alt 2 though. Or read it yourself. That might give you a better idea. I might be a little biased.

[Spider Gwen]

I love making associations, yes. Not quite sure what you mean by 1/1 in terms of mafia, though

If/then associations. "If X is scum Y is town." That sort of stuff. Your read list is full of them.

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Spidey, I agree completely.

Me and spiffy were discussing eagles random townread of us.

What should we do?

I saw you meant Errant. I have him as a scum read. I'm not sure if he's a better vote though. Do you have a different read on him or a similar one? I've found his pushes to be strange.

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Anen's Cloltide question reminds me of something I saw Titus pull in Organic Chemistry. Probably means he's town.

@Anen: I'm going to pass. I think it'd be more useful on someone else.

[Spider Gwen]

What do you think it means?

it means she's more likely town
mostly because 116 is a town post in the first place

I'm going to need an explanation for this.

also, short version is spifflops reads are fake
you'll get the long version after i see some responses

And this too. You seem to just be throwing things out. I want to see what you're thinking.

[Spider Gwen]

You've already proven you can think ahead. What's to say that you didn't put your neck on the line just so that you can use this defense later?
I personally don't believe it, just want to hear your response.

Far too risky. I'm a horrible actor. I did try to gambit once as scum and I don't think I've ever been lynched faster, with the exception of my first couple mafia games - I was annoying as crap (still kinda am, I guess) and stupid and thought that everyone that voted me must be scum.
When I gambit as I have a hard time figuring out how to read people without cutting my options down too much. I haven't played scum much before.

If you're a terrible gambiter, why would you deliberately try a gambit to draw votes to me and suppose it would succeed?

I feel even worse for calling that a possible slip. This is a horrible post.

Eagle I am so sorry...

Which one was that horrible out of all those quotes?

Stormy's. That question is awfully loaded. It is only meant to make Eagle look worse. There was no interest in finding out his motives.

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Elyse if you're town, alignment claim

What's the use in this?

[Spider Gwen]

Why so obsessed with Clotid?

This is a scumtell for Titus. She pulled something similar in Organic Chemistry. She should know better than to ask this. This is fishing.

[Spider Gwen]

grapes (5): Spider Gwen, Spifflop, Errantparabola, itlepip, Passionate Storm
This is not a wagon on a sour player.

There's actually only 2 names there that I hate.

just say who they are...

Errant and Stormy

[Spider Gwen]

my curiosity for who spidergwen is is literally killing me

@spider, interested in why you think tituscum?

Well, there was the stuff I brought up earlier: How they hid behind an RVS push instead of continuing to push a stronger read. That just felt off. I really don't believe Titus gives up pursuing a serious read like that just to let her partner throw down a random vote. She's also trying to town block, which is a huge indicator of Titus-scum. Titus-scum focuses on establishing town blocks. Titus-town just tries to put the pieces of the puzzle together and straight up scum hunts. Anyone familiar with Titus should have voted her immediately after that statement. Some of the things she's pushed have been nonsensical. They were designed as traps rather than to figure those players out. It shows that she's not really scumhunting. She's also questioning the Clotilde thing, which is funny, since she ran a simlar gambit in Organic Chemistry. She should know exactly what Anen is trying to do here. And she should be getting a huge freaking townread off of him. Her confusion in the matter is fake.

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Oh Shiro beat me too it. I noticed something late. Oh well.

FOS Alchemists

Now let's lynch Elyse

Watch the FoS. You know what that did for me.

Eww...

[Spider Gwen]

This address Spider too in her lynch me post. My best town games come from blocking out the scum.

Haven't you played with Titus before?

I have. Why do you think I want to lynch her?

As for Clotilde, if you want to target me that's fine. It's a wasted shot, but whatever.

[Spider Gwen]

@TSO i'm voting Gwen bc she is scummy and ignoring my questions.

What are your thoughts on the current major wagons?

You're hiding behind your spider Gwen vote.

Major points to Elyse.

[Spider Gwen]

@TSO i'm voting Gwen bc she is scummy and ignoring my questions.

What are your thoughts on the current major wagons?

You're hiding behind your spider Gwen vote.

A man is wondering why a lady is deflecting from a wagon that many and more believe could be scum?

There's no way Jaquen misunderstood what Elyse was saying.

[Spider Gwen]

I'm about to head out for tonight and I have 14ish pages to go. What does the VC look like?

[Spider Gwen]

Stormy: VC please. I know you keep track.

[Spider Gwen]

Okay. It's not as bad as I thought.

Stormy: Give me a good reason to think you're town. Because you're the only thing I hate about a Klingon wagon. I should see it soonish. Maybe.

P-edit: No she's not. She's saying Random is hiding behind his vote on me and using it as a reason to not do anything. Which was exactly what he was doing.

[Spider Gwen]

Why include people you can't read? Whyam I not there? Why no strong stances? Why don't you have spiffehlop and itep reads!

The no strong stance thing is the only legit question. It should be obvious to you that she was going in alphabetical order. So everybody up to Eagle. That should have answered that question. I really can't believe you'd miss that.

[Spider Gwen]

The difference is that they haven't made posts like 'fast wagons are made by scum' that are complete BS.

You think that fast wagons aren't often made by scum? Because I think that often enough they are. And the fact that she's claiming this makes me think she's town because why? Because she automatically assumes the leaders of her wagon are scum because she's town and thinks she's intentionally getting mislynched. Because as a mafia players, you don't automatically OMGUS people voting you, you distract or ignore or don't respond, like Elyse is doing. You find elsewhere. You stay out of the thread long enough that people bore of you and find something else eye-catching and then you come back and talk about how scummy that eye-catching thing is.

So what do you make of her wagon stalling and counterwagons popping up to oppose it?

[Spider Gwen]

@Stormy: Meh. I saw it. But it's not as important now as it was during my primary read.

[Spider Gwen]

Dapper Stranger(Fresh & Jaqen hydra) - Looks like Fresh is having trouble using Jaqenspeak. Anyhoo, they're paying attention. A bit fixated on SpiderGwen, but...Lean Town

Aunt Jemina - C'mon, AJ is always Town, isn't she? Isn't she?.

A man is keeping in his normal chat racier so he is t forgetting to sign. He is finding this somehow simpler. Fresh is speaking as he speaks. That one's absence is because of the three r's.

2 of 3 YCBA's are disagreeing with your AJ fallacy, though that is bearing no weight.

You clipped the quote in order to misrepresent what was being said there. Klingon never said AJ was town because she's always town. She came away with the conclusion she's scum. Why would you clip out and distort what she'd actually said? The only purpose there is to misrepresent her. Because there's no town motivation in even just doing it to comment on AJ's record. That's so far outside of the scope of the conversation it's not funny.

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There's actually only 2 names there that I hate.

At least one additional name joins in the form of Shiro if it means anything to you.

I'm meh on Shiro.

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And then Jaquen begins to make a Spiffy-scum case based on Klingon being town. Because don't kid yourself, that's exactly what it is.

@Spiffy/Stormy: I will join that wagon if there's no other way. But I don't like how Stranger has approached this. He seemed ready to misrep Klingon and jump on that wagon, but then he formed a counter instead and started WKing her. Something is wrong here.

[Spider Gwen]

35 pages...

Yeah, not doing that tonight. Maybe tomorrow during my 2 hours of down time. Is anybody I want to talk to on? I think I really want to vote the stalled wagon now.

[Spider Gwen]

Which one?

Klingon has heavy duty stalled. That's with all the people calling her scum. Not a good sign.

By the way, is TSO intentionally misrepresenting cases a thing? Typically I assume it is something that is not alignment indicative but based in everyone's reaction to him, I assumed he was an excellent player who was careful and deliberate to make sure he had everything. Do you believe this to be a poor assumption on my part, or is the fact that he seems to be pretending to be dumb a sign of his alignment?

I've been kinda sorta fast reading, but I really haven't seen TSO misrep anything. Granted, I have been sorta skimming you, because you have no idea what you're talking about and it gets kinda tiring having to read that. I know what you've said. I just don't put much stock in it.

[Spider Gwen]

Not to sound mean Eagle, but you have been mainly spitting out theories which have little to no bearing on the reality of mafia. I think you're town here. But you're not town I would stake any sort of trust in when it comes to finding scum. And given your inexperience I really don't think you have the right to be cocky about this. If so, whatever, but you're in for a rude awakening.

P-edit: And more of a reminder why Stranger is scum.

[Spider Gwen]

Unvote:
Vote: Klingon

Eagle's probably going to get butt hurt and go all crazy paranoid on me. I feel bad, but I don't really care.

(Almost alt slipped...)

[Spider Gwen]

I'm only quoting the top part of the vote count...

Official Vote Count

Klingoncelt

(7): Aunt Jemina, Aneninen, Passionate Storm, itlepip, Spifflop, Elyse, Varsoon

Spider Gwen

(3): inte, randomidget, Dapper Stranger

Passionate Storm

(2): Klingoncelt, Spider Gwen

Day 1 deadline

(expired on 2015-12-27 17:09:57)

I lean town on Stormy. Two players voting that slot are one of our top scumreads and the biggest wagon...

Time to reflect.

-Fresh

That last sentence... Wouldn't be surprised if Stranger was preparing an out.

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Auntie J is town. Cool.

Where did this sudden realisation spring from?

When it looked like she was trying to figure things out. There was a natural feel to her posts that I liked.

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I think Klingon is probably town. I dislike the wagon on him and he seems to be sticking to his guns.

Go into this more. Because I'm really not sure if any of Klingon's scum reads are real or just OMGUS created. I'm also wary of anyone who uses "sticking to his guns" as a reason to town read someone.

[Spider Gwen]

Why so obsessed with Clotid?

This is a scumtell for Titus. She pulled something similar in Organic Chemistry. She should know better than to ask this. This is fishing.

Whut?
They seemed to be utterly ignorant about Clotild and I actually liked that reaction.
I turn my time machine on and what can I see? You, looking in the mirror and gazing your Clotild-self.

Ignorant? Maybe. Was that reaction what I expect from a town Titus? No.

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I don't have an opinion on Klingon or Gwen because everything about them has just felt like noise to me.

What exactly about me is noisy? I left my drum sticks at home, so I'm not sure why you're trying to write me off here.

[Spider Gwen]

Oh look! That horrible horrible Spiffy case! Is Stranger still denying the underlying motivation and thought here? And poking and prodding people, asking them questions, and overall trying to figure out where they're at never is, never has, and never will be scummy.

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@Eagle: If Elyse is your biggest scumread, why did you vote for a case that depends on Elyse being town?

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Spifflop - dapper's reasoning basically. He made some good points. Scum

Does anybody seriously think this is a town vote? These were the type of votes on the Spiffy wagon. There's no way that was a town wagon.

[Spider Gwen]

Stormy, we're going to get this whole alignment thing with you figured out tomorrow. I don't want to go any further paranoid of you if you're town.

[Spider Gwen]

@Anen: Was something supposed to happen?

[Spider Gwen]

@Anen: Was something supposed to happen?

your character name was supposed to change.

ask jason to reconfirm your char name?

I didn't get a PM. I can double check to see if the change happened, but I find it strange that the mod wouldn't inform me.

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I think spider Gwen is town based off of anen's ability as she is alive. If that is the case my apologies for scumresding you yesterday gwen.

I propose we lynch in the pool of {Alchemist, random, grapes} today, seeing as that was Spifflop's pool of scum.

Spifflop said not to lynch me as I'd sort myself out over time...

I want to lynch either this or Stranger.

[Spider Gwen]

You got it.

Vote: Stranger

[Spider Gwen]

@Stormy: Should I really read the last 24 hours of d1?

[Spider Gwen]

Where was there a softing of anything?

[Spider Gwen]

Alrighty. I doubt that reaction test means anything. But Stranger is likely scum.

[Spider Gwen]

I'm meh on him. Might change my mind on a bit of a read. I'm more interested on lynching Stranger/Random/Grapes.

[Spider Gwen]

Nope. Lynching Stranger. Stormy's town.

[Spider Gwen]

Let me check to see where I am in regards to the role PM thing, and then we can talk more about Eagle. I think there are some other things I need to get solid on.

[Spider Gwen]

Actually Stormy, let's leave Eagle be to focus on the scum we both agree with. I want to solidify the town bloc to make it seamless in that time. Not much more to say there, but I will want to revisit this before the day ends.

[Spider Gwen]

That Eagle vote makes me chuckle.

[Spider Gwen]

Wow. That was a scum post from Stranger.

[Spider Gwen]

The Stranger post was a scum post because he spreads shade around and then self votes. As town, he'd be fighting. He wants to spread paranoia and destroy the town bloc.

I'm a little concerned about the Anen thing. Not really saying scum. But I was expecting something that confirms what he claimed. I want time to follow up on this in case the mod says that nothing happened.

I think Elyse and Auntie J are incredibly likely town. But I'd like to start solidifying them. Also if you're concerned about TSO, we should probably solidify that too. But I need to know whether you want to prioritize solidifying town or figuring out players like Eagle.

[Spider Gwen]

@Stranger: Yeah. That's BS.

I don't see why Eagle would be flipping tomorrow. Especially if you're town like you say. Sounds like you're going for an associative here. I'm kinda meh on Alch. Leaning town on Shiro. Varsoon is town. PV is worth looking into later. Not now. And Anen can be dealt with after I hear from the mod. But I don't think he's getting lynched.

And just to say it: Stormy is town. Hands off.

[Spider Gwen]

Wow. I just got everything mixed up. Go me.

[Spider Gwen]

Stranger, to make my point more clear, there's no town motivation to spreading doubt around, laying down to die, and not trying to figure out who scum are.

[Spider Gwen]

@Stormy: I thought Stranger said that. Ignore that part about Eagle. It was a my bad.

@Stranger: You just f-d up. You just don't realize it.

Hey everyone! Stranger is scum. Like guaranteed.

[Spider Gwen]

Seriously! Call this a pseudo guilty.

[Spider Gwen]

Stranger for sure. Talk to me tomorrow about Eagle.

[Spider Gwen]

Whatevs. I think easing Jeanne's fears should be a priority moving forward.

[Spider Gwen]

Seriously! Lynch Stranger scum!

[Spider Gwen]

[Spider Gwen]

Oh goody. The gambit play. Can we lynch him harder?

[Spider Gwen]

Sure. You can be Shawn.

[Spider Gwen]

When did you ask mod said question?

[Spider Gwen]

Stormy can you believe these scumzors?

[Spider Gwen]

Listening to "I'm the Boss" while wrecking scum. This is awesome!

[Spider Gwen]

I do want Fresh to answer my question.

[Spider Gwen]

Are you suggesting that Anen's ability wasn't a day use?

[Spider Gwen]

Are you suggesting that Anen's ability wasn't a day use?

I'm suggesting it was fake as shit.

If you believe that then you believe I'm town.

[Spider Gwen]

The mod's being coy...

[Spider Gwen]

Lol.

EE is mod confirmed scum too nice.

Nobody is MOD confirmed until they flip. If you're town you need to stop putting shit like this in the thread. The only MOD CONFIRMED are Klingon, Spifflop and itlepip. That's it. You put shit like this out there, deep come along and think there's a mod confirmed guilty on the lead wagon, and then jump on blindly...

Hmm...

You know what

VOTE: Passionate Storm

This post sucks. Essentially it can be used as a justification to keep everyone open.

[Spider Gwen]

Stranger, to make my point more clear, there's no town motivation to spreading doubt around, laying down to die, and not trying to figure out who scum are.

It sucks when you are the best lynch that will uncloud a bit of how town is looking at a game, but sometimes it happens. When it does it shouldn't be fought, because it's truly in the town's best interest. Town doesn't win by all the town staying alive. Town win by figuring out the scum. When you find that you are the one scum have chosen to use to spread wifom and cast confusion it's best that you die to eliminate that cloud. Too many people play with the "survivor" instinct on this site and it's exactly why scum have such a high win percentage here. To not fight one's own lynch in these situations is the most protown thing that person can do.

My reads will be ready at L-1 if it comes to that. Your point is ill founded and a symptom of the sickness with this site's town win percentage. It's the absolutely wrong frame of mind from which to play town.

It's amazing how little this actually says. All you've done is throw shade around. There's a difference between expecting to die and lying down. In the former you at least still try to be useful and poke and prod. You're not doing that. In fact, you never have addressed the part of that post that talked about you spreading doubt and not being active in figuring out scum. You've just looked at the laying down to die part.

[Spider Gwen]

When did you ask mod said question?

I asked it during the night phase about the whole Anen thing right before the end of day 1. Never got a response.

-Fresh

1.) Saying that the mod is getting back with you suggests a conversation of some sort. That's not you asking a question during night and not hearing a thing. In fact given the mod's response to me, your question would have definitely been responded to. I'm not saying it'd be answered. It seems the mod likes to be coy. So really doubting any of this.

2.) Why'd you even do this as town? You would be excited about possible conf. town. Asking the mod if that's legit or a legit role is not a town response. It's scum ticked off at unbelievable town power. In fact if you were town that was doubtful, you would have said something at the beginning of the day. Again sounds like butthurt scum.

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Why would scum hard defend their buddy (1 head at that) Push town to death and then kill said town Making them look double horrible? You can say it is Wifom but I find it too bad of a way to Wifom

Further more he did nothing to push anyone else which would make no sense for someone trying to save their buddy.

Easiest answer is WIFOM. Best answer is probably that the kill had nothing about frames or fake frames. It likely was because Spifflop was the towniest player. This chain of logic doesn't work.

[Spider Gwen]

@Stormy: I think you're right on Eagle.

[Spider Gwen]

I've never once as town mislynched her, nor she me.

Pay attention to this kiddies. This is important.

So you're scum. Thank you.

No matter how many iMessage you say that, it isn't making it right nor will you get the pass of -err, I just messed up...on reading the one person who Titus is as transparent to as I am to her. You don't know about our history do you Jeanne? I've never once as town mislynched her, nor she me.

You do realize that scum wouldn't admit to being scum

?

Well, guess what, you wouldn't either

, so I think it makes it right. I mean, it's not like you would admit it.

YES!!!!!!!

I can't effing believe it!!!!!!!! Will someone who thoroughly understands English and who isn't me or my partner explain why and how this is an actual Fruedian slip that proves their guilt?

Scum going the desperate slip route.

[Spider Gwen]

@Stormy: I don't think Shiro is scum.

@Alch: I wouldn't call Grapes a counterwagon. The Klingon wagon really hadn't solidified yet. The Grapes wagon later merged with the Klingon wagon to create the driving force of the Klingon lynch.

[Spider Gwen]

Titus is probably scum.
Can you at least give me one reason to scumread me. I have asked you this before and you keep ignoring it.

Yep. Coming up with reasons to scum read someone is hard work...

This is cute...

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@Anen: Why do you think scum would shoot a 1-shot that had already used their shot? What do you think of Stranger questioning the mod during the night about your role and whether you confirmed me?

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@Stormy: I think you're right on Eagle.

Good. More sudden omgusy opinion change.
Gwen: I'm not sure on eagle. I need more time. Let's dapper.
Eagle: I don't like how you two were on different teams yesterday but with almost nothing happening all of a sudden best friends fighting crime
Gwen: I was right all along. Eagle is defs. Scum.

Awesome.

It's called rereading.

[Spider Gwen]

@SG, maybe we can reread alchemist tonight? Neither of my heads feels good about him, but at the same time too many obvious scum to work with Shiro.

Alch is not a priority for tonight.

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Lol.

EE is mod confirmed scum too nice.

Nobody is MOD confirmed until they flip. If you're town you need to stop putting shit like this in the thread. The only MOD CONFIRMED are Klingon, Spifflop and itlepip. That's it. You put shit like this out there, deep come along and think there's a mod confirmed guilty on the lead wagon, and then jump on blindly...

Hmm...

You know what

VOTE: Passionate Storm

This post sucks. Essentially it can be used as a justification to keep everyone open.

So,this one is in favor of conf bias. Check.

It's nice to know you didn't deny it.

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@Anen: Why do you think scum would shoot a 1-shot that had already used their shot?
What do you think of Stranger questioning the mod during the night about your role and whether you confirmed me?

Wait-oh, what makes you think that I'm 1–Shot and I used my Shot last Night? Curiosity kills the cat, I know, but Kitty kills the Spider first. ^_^
As for the other question, there are plenty of possibilities. And I think you wouldn't ask questions like that if Dapper weren't wagoned now.

You presented the Clotide gambit as only working once. A 1-shot. Why do you think scum would try to kill you after using that one shot? As for Dapper, think about the motivation there. There was no reason for them to ask the mod about your role if they were town. First, what town doesn't like conf. town? You can see this thought process in even their most recent posts where they are trying to shoot down the whole concept. That's not a town thought process. Second, if they were town why would they think the mod would even answer them? Town would know that wouldn't happen. They'd take their skepticism into the next day. Asking the mod about a role that powerful points to butthurt scum.

[Spider Gwen]

Shiro - townbeard or scum, gun to head townbeard, we both have issues w Shiro's recent posting

I'm really not getting this. Don't you kinda agree on Alch? Her being stubborn on the other end does not equal townbeard.

[Spider Gwen]

Interesting sync between Stormy and TWIE. Definitely will need to check that out at some point.

P-edit: Stop fishing.

[Spider Gwen]

Any protective role needs to be on either Stormy or TSO. They will be the ones taking the game forward when I die.

[Spider Gwen]

Hmmm
You are making a good lot of sense and it would explain my need for one more scum on kling wagon.
Fine

Vote: Dapper

But alchemist needs to die next. Especially if you are wrong about Dapper.
L-1 if I am not mistaken
P.edit
Love you two grapes. But I feel obliged to ask. Why is that?

Grrrrrrrrrrrrr. Strongly disliked.
If Dapper flips scum, Shiro is definitely scum too.

I really can't see how you get this.

[Spider Gwen]

Any protective role needs to be on either Stormy or TSO. They will be the ones taking the game forward when I die.

Wut.

Totally on TSO or you. I totally planned on dying tonight.

I'm expendable in the long run. You are much more important to keeping town together and keeping the cogs turning. I'll add what I can but I don't want doc protection. The town bloc as a whole is more important.

[Spider Gwen]

@Stormy: A reread of Alch wouldn't hurt. I know I haven't gotten much from his play. You might be able to see things I can't.

[Spider Gwen]

Actually Stormy, let's leave Eagle be to focus on the scum we both agree with.

I want to solidify the town bloc to make it seamless in that time. Not much more to say there, but I will want to revisit this before the day ends.

I think Elyse and Auntie J are incredibly likely town. But I'd like to start solidifying them.

Also if you're concerned about TSO, we should probably solidify that too. But I need to know whether you want to prioritize solidifying town or figuring out players like Eagle.

Whatevs. I think easing Jeanne's fears should be a priority moving forward.

Guess who I hid behind...

[Spider Gwen]

Scum are being cheeky...

[Spider Gwen]

Wait did you hide behind me?

Yep. I straight up told Titus my concern was solidifying the town block and I was looking at you and Auntie J. The paranoia surrounding you was enough to push me in that direction, which was why I told her I'd ease Jean's fears. There was some miscommunication at the end regarding Alch. I thought Titus was the cop. If it wasn't for that I'd have shut that down way harder than I did.