You could be Anyone IV - GAME OVER

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VOTE: spidergwen

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VOTE: Spider Gwen

That doesn't look like RVS. Why?

explain this?

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Our avatar is ballin'

~Spiffy

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From this page alone EP is town.
Way more willing to engage than in a previous game I've played with him where he was scum.

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From this page alone EP is town.
Way more willing to engage than in a previous game I've played with him where he was scum.

~Spiffy

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Elyse is town I'm pretty damn sure of it.

I don't think ScumEagle is something I'm comfortable with yet. Dude appears pretty damn confortabe/not squirmy.

KlingonKelt is the one piquing me as most scummy right now. His strange FoS in the middle of RvS comes off as clumsy and weird. From what I've seen of kling, shes a really strong town player but is just really awkward as scum. For that reason, VOTE: klingonkelt

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hey, itlepip. Explain that townread on titushydra right now.

I'm seeing almost the exact opposite so I'm curious why you're so strong with that titus read

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I'm breaking our hydra rule of moving vote without talking to other head because he isn't talking to meeeeeeeeeee

where are you spifffehhhhh why cant I finnnnnd youuuu you feel so far awayyyyyy

[Spifflop]

it should be obvious.

now lets move on: answer our question

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do you have much experience with her?

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my friendly maple syrup mama is town, almost definitely ^_^

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have you accurately been able to read her?

been bamboozled yet?

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Titus, how are you perceiving that whole elyse/garmr exchange? I feel like garmr looks REALLY fucking town there, elyse not so much.

From what I remember from Elyse, she isn't TOO hard to catch out as scum. Interested in your thoughts, hun

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elyse its me your old pal hiplop.

my meta is HELLA old so I doubt its valid, anyway. I remember catching you for something goofy a long time ago. (I assume the playfield is entirely different now, didn't mean to offend. Sorry.)

Anyone is easy or hard to track as scum. You're feeling a little sales many with your recent posts. Elyse isn't TOO hard to catch as scum and been bamboolzed by Titus really feel off.

I also agree with her posts, but the fight with her and garmbr is strange. To be clear, you see the eagle as the scum party in that exchange?

@elyse, yes it was I played with her in secret alt for like 2 seconds

@itlepip, all of these posts have been the lop part of spifflop

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elyse I haven't been clear I still think you're town. Titus mentioned the fight you were involved in so I went back

you went from "pretty damn town" -> "probably town"

pedit: yes, that too

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my fault.

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Hope you guys like both hydra heads talking at once!
Also Spiffeh will always be signing his posts so there is no confusion.

Shiro didn't vote for me during RVS, that means obvious Scum.

VOTE: Shiro

WHAT HAVE YOU DONE TO TOWNSHIRO!!!!

-Fire

scumpost

~Spiffy

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FoS: Passionate Storm

I'm not sure if what you're doing is D1 silliness or if you're both drunken Scum.

I'm going to go make a pot of coffee now, looks like it's going to be a long night.

look at this post guys and tell me it isn't a mobster trying to look like a regular person?

[Spifflop]

Titus is town.
Still standing by EP being town after reading more of him. His push on EE looks town (even though EE looks town to me rn)

Titus. Do you think that acting town should be implicit or explicit?

Actually wtf is this question supposed to accomplish?
AJ is town.
Klingon is a FANTASTIC vote gj hiplop <3
TSO sounds fake to me but hiplop said he thinks he's town so I'll let it play out.
Hate Garmr's first post.
itlepip's opening seems rehearsed to me idk I just have a weird gut feeling that he's scum.
Elyse looks town.

Klingon is a great vote she should be wagon thx

~Spiffy

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Hey all my townreads are girls

girl power

~Spiffy

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LOL I can't get enough of this avatar

~Spiffy

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EP what are your some of your thoughts outside of EE?

~Spiffy

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randomidget is scum.
Discuss.

~Spiffy

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i wonder if 5-6 people scumreading klingon for making a bold fos means anything

If Klingon flips scum this is her buddy.

~Spiffy

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Firebringer sheep me on Klingon please.

~Spiffy

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Also stop buddying me I haven't done anything to warrant a town read yet.
hiplop has though

~Spiffy

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Can you link that game cause right now I'm leaning scum there?

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=63747

Look at his early play and it's obvious it's hard for him to find a footing (which I correctly called out but foolishly dropped the issue after he wrote a wall).
He seems a lot more comfortable and willing to engage here.

~Spiffy

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Anen seems snarkier than I remember him being in the past.

VOTE: Anen

This vote is shit. How is that scummy?

Für Elyse and others.

Well played.

~Spiffy

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I feel like we're being ignored

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I also think it makes Klingon scum, so vote there plz

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gwen, whats up? what do you need clarification on exactly?

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Oh okay, I gotchya.

You said grapes discrediting the pressure on Klingon to be scummy. I am saying, yes I agree, but Klingon is ALSO scum. That interaction is scum/scum I think

[Spifflop]

I've been spending way too long checking my tongue in the mirror
And bending over backwards just to try to see it clearer
But my breath fogged up the glass
And so I drew a new face and I laughed

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on that note, wanna go for grapes spidey?

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I will go there as soon as I get confirmation from my more well dressed partner!

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VOTE: grapes

I'm cool with this.

~Spiffy

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elyse, join us on the fruit train

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@Alch, Please don't skip over questions for you. Not cool. Was that Spider Gwen vote RVS? Why did you change?

@EE, I am not bothering with 10 gallons of roleplay to get to your reads. Can you use names and dump the filler? Ty.

Will catch up later.

~Titus

Yes, it was RVS and was meant to get a few reactions. I was hoping it would do more than it did. Spifflop following right after me was interesting, but since he knows her it could have just been coincidence.

I am fairly certain this is scum.

Titus thoughts?

~Spiffy

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Because it look like he's trying to force a sense of confidence in his posts in an attempt to get people to just go along with what he says. I've seen Anen correctly tunnel a scum player for an entire game without snark, so I don't really believe it's necessary for Town Anen or that it's coming from Town Anen.

I don't like this explanation either. I don't get how the first sentence is even a bad thing. And it's a huge jump to base a meta argument off of what looks to me like RVS trolling. Especially when it's as basic as "X didn't do this in a previous town game therefore scum".

Alchemist, grapes, and Klingon would all be good wagons.

~Spiffy

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EE's a bad wagon he's town.

~Spiffy

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And I haven't done anything to warrant a scumread.

Someone is self conscious about being scum read.

What are your thoughts on the grapes wagon?

~Spiffy

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He's null.

~Spiffy

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itlepip is town af

Shiro and Varsoon do something useful and vote for grapes.

itlepip continue doing something useful and vote for grapes.

~Spiffy

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itlepip, ErrantParabola, Spider Gwen, Extrapolated Eagle, Elyse, and Aunt Jemina are town.

grapes, Alchemist21, and randomidget are scum.

PEdit: EE reads as new town eager to play the game and a little over his head.

~Spiffy

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titus why did you just tell klingon what you were going to do to meta read her????

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Klingon is scum for blatantly lying about my ability to read her. And only doing so as a mechanism to discredit our vote on her without providing any actual content.

I can point to two completed games where I read you like absolutely correctly, Klingon.

And I'm pretty sure those are the only two we've played together?

~Spiffy

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Titus I feel like you're ignoring us.
Please answer my question I asked you awhile ago.

~Spiffy

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What is your read on us?

~Spiffy

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kling is scum, like pretty damn obviously?

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I don't like how you put us as your #1 townread but have barely acknowledged us outside of that.

Didn't you say your goal was to identify town reads today and work with them? I don't feel like you're trying to work with us.

~Spiffy

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explain? you said we were salesmanny before, what changed?

(genuinely just curious)

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Klingon is like a slam dunk for scum.

~Spiffy

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http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=63171: Town read Klingon all of Day 1 as she was getting pressured. She was nightkilled N1 and flipped town.
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=63284: Klingon subs into a scum slot and I scum read her pretty immediately. I go apathetic and drop it but she turns out to be scum.

So Klingon please explain to me how you can possibly say that I'm notorious for misreading you.

~Spiffy

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Ok Titus is town.

~Spiffy

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Added pressure on her doesn't prevent you from reading her yourself. So please don't tell them to back off.

~Spiffy

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I'm surprised TSO isn't a presence

I like what I see from him though atm. He had the same profile in Inorganic Chemistry. That's why he's weak town. In Stevens Universe, he was actually more vocal.

Hey TSO, when you reach this point in your catchup, make a post witch yer current reads baby doll.

tso I town I think. I have a decentish read on him even though he hasn't been here.

I want kelts head so badly.

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I want kelts head so badly.

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eagerly anticipating grapes return

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Spidey, I agree completely.

Me and spiffy were discussing eagles random townread of us.

What should we do?

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Spiffyloppy and Spidey (Gwen), dearies, I do hope you take a nice good look at the composition of the grapes wagon you are forming and realize why grappy is sweet.

5 votes isn't much in a game this size. Normally I would agree with you, but I don't think this is a particularly bad wagon. I believe its a wagon that is appealing to town.

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Apologies. It is late, and I saw your post and typed out your name

yes, I meant errant. I do however appreciate his support of the FRUIT WAGON and hes not at the top of our radar, spideygwenny

[Spifflop]

yes though I'm not sure why it matters in this particular moment

Spidey come back!!!

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http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=63171: Town read Klingon all of Day 1 as she was getting pressured. She was nightkilled N1 and flipped town.
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=63284: Klingon subs into a scum slot and I scum read her pretty immediately. I go apathetic and drop it but she turns out to be scum.

So Klingon please explain to me how you can possibly say that I'm notorious for misreading you.

~Spiffy

Klingon please answer this.

Also grapes it should be very clear we're town by now so I urge you not to waste your time.
Your best move at this point is probs to bus Klingon tbh

~Spiffy

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also, short version is spifflops reads are fake
you'll get the long version after i see some responses

extremely anticipated for this.

[Spifflop]

Official Vote Count

Klingoncelt

(5): Aunt Jemina, Aneninen, Elyse, Passionate Storm, itlepip

grapes

(4): Spider Gwen, Spifflop, Errantparabola, Shiro

Spider Gwen

(3): inte, randomidget, Dapper Stranger

Shiro

(2): My Other Head Is Scum, Varsoon

Aneninen

(2): T S O, Alchemist21

Passionate Storm

(1): Klingoncelt

Aunt Jemina

(1): PeregrineV

Extrapolated Eagle

(1): Garmr

Errantparabola

(1): I Am Innocent

Elyse

(1): Extrapolated Eagle

Spifflop

(1): grapes

Not Voting

(1): TheWayItEnds

With 23 alive, it takes 12 to lynch.

Day 1 deadline

(expired on 2015-12-27 17:09:57)

what is wrong with everyone in this game more need to vote ee.

anyone voting spider gwen: wtf are you doing??????

[Spifflop]

how come, dapper?

what about the fruit train?

why do you still have your vote on spider gwen?

please answer these swiftly

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elyse where have we been posting out of hydra? you quoted a spifflop post and yelled at us for posting out of hydra

[Spifflop]

I meant to say "Anen" not elyse

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EP I play p. differently every town game so I urge you to meta me beyond History if you're going to meta me at all. Also hiplop felt strongly about grapes and I let him take the wheel but now I kinda want to switch to Klingon.

I really hate the Eagle wagon. He seems like lynchbait 101 to me.

Klingon is a shoe in for scum. She tried to discredit my vote on her by lying about my ability to read her and has since ignored me calling her out on it. Hiplop can we switch to Klingon?

~Spiffy

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VOTE: Klingon

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my curiosity for who spidergwen is is literally killing me

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whos the scum on your wagon, kling?

[Spifflop]

your wagon also did not build that fast?

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I still want to see more reactions from klingy as it would probably bring some clarity to the people revolving around her and herself.

A wagon building fast so early in the game is built by Scum. Simple as that.

When did this become a thing? Cause I don't see what scum gains from it.

its not, shes trying to discredit the wagon

@spider, interested in why you think tituscum?

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I was in it but I don't think it counts. I got lynched like an hour into me replacing in

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Yeah Klingon is scum and her buddies are probably on the EE wagon.

Alchemist is scum too.

~Spiffy

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Actually fuck the EE wagon looks all town to me.

Maybe Garmr?

~Spiffy

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Elyse what do you think of Alchemist?

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Elyse what do you think of Alchemist?

~Spiffy

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Extrapolated Eagle: Elyse is town. Start looking elsewhere please. Come vote for Klingon.

~Spiffy

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Alchemist and Klingon should be the first two lynches.

~Spiffy

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itlepip is the towniest player in this game.

Try to find someone easier to sell.

~Spiffy

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Oh also Firebringer hydra is probably scum for trying to subtly dismantle the Klingon wagon.

~Spiffy

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But I also know how to read you. And I am cooler than Firebringer.

~Spiffy

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^ That is so town it hurts.

~Spiffy

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Thwarted by the new page.

~Spiffy

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spiffeh and I are too in tune I don't know what to post but I'm making this anyway

don't worry bird friend I'm reading your posts

[Spifflop]

also scrabble is not so much a spelling game as an anagram and optimization game

[Spifflop]

I'm going back to this, mainly because IDK about the grapes wagon anymore (I want spiff's input), and I honestly am not so sure about spifflop-town anymore. Also very hesitant to join Kling wagon
Elyse why Kling > Eagle?

Fruit train is still very convincing to me (hiplop) spiffeh is less sure. I really, really think grapes is scum for meta AND just general scumminess. The issue we find with the eagle wagon is this guy (Bird) is absolutely mislynch bait. Like I DO NOT see him as scummy at all and the pushes on him seem to be taking advantage more than anything. Kling is like scumming it up all day in the thread

just because I'm voting the same person as you are makes me less suspicious? Explain

Makes you easier to work with overall! And FWIW I don't think you're scummy anymore.

[Spifflop]

. I'm ok with hounding, but he just states "wrong" kinda and it's really frustrating to deal with. Klingon has at least until day 2 to prove herself in my opinion, there's scummier stuff in the pond.

stuff like this bothers me though. You don't get to dictate where the lynch goes. And delaying a lynch is almost always a scum-thing, seriously.

Eagle, I think your case is solid. I've read it over 3 times. I'm not sure what the scum motivation is? Can you explain WHY she do those strange things?

[Spifflop]

let's keep it that way, shall we? Why you keep getting involved with me and my discussions when we're talking about wy you're scummy is another mark against you being scum.

What the actual fuck is this?

~Spiffy

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You're just trying to find anything to paint her in a scummy light at this point. So you're saying that it's scummy of her to respond to your case?

PEdit: How can she get in the way?
You can still make posts. My point still stands.

~Spiffy

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I agree with Titus' analysis of Town Klingon in Twilight Zone Mafia and how she is very different here.

~Spiffy

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Are you claiming Town Doctor or are you talking about your role in Twilight Zone?

And if you think Titus is playing like she did in Twilight Zone you wouldn't be scum reading her because she was town in that game.

~Spiffy

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Yeah Klingon is def. scum everyone please wagon with reckless abandon.

~Spiffy

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EE interrupting has absolutely nothing to do with what is happening. There's no such thing as interrupting in a forum mafia game. Nothing anyone else posts should prevent someone from saying something.

~Spiffy

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Titus we should using targeted nagging methods to get people to vote for Klingon.

That is how confident I am.

~Spiffy

FUCK

[Spifflop]

Varsoon any other reads?

~Spiffy

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Starting to think EE is a Klingon scumbuddy.

~Spiffy

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death in family might be a little more absent than usual for a few days. will try to still post if i can

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Ok lmk what you guys think of us after Klingon flips scum

~Spiffy

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You guys are awful.

Jaqen if you are actually town I want you to look back on this when the game is over and see how you're handing scum an easy counter wagon on a silver fucking platter.

I will dismantle your shitty argument limb from limb (and the opportunistic scum that hopped on it) when I can get to a computer.

~Spiffy

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Jesus Christ my slot has been so obvtown this game there is definitely AT LEAST two scum currently on our wagon.

~Spiffy

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Just a warning some not nice things will probably be said right about now that I probably don't mean because I don't take being wagoned for no reason very well.

~Spiffy

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I also predict that someone like random or grapes will try to turn one of these posts into something that casts me in a negative light.

~Spiffy

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Spitflop's ISO, if one is investigating, is full of these kinds of posts where that one is assigning reads with no substance. This is sounding to a man as having come from an informed perspective.

DUDE YOU PLAYED A GAME WITH ME YOU KNOW I ALWAYS MAKE POSTS LIKE THIS. I make observations and draw conclusions about them when there is enough to go off of. Ask anyone else who has played with me.

A man is giving but a few examples. Two of these reads- the ones on Elyse and Klingon- a man is finding of utmost importance. He sees no reason in making a long post longer. This last quote is also the meat of his argument against Spiff. That one is making a snap read on someotne solely because they aren't falling in line with everyone else with Stupid Voting Sequence. A man is opening with a question at large when he is making the start of a game (which isn't happening this time) and knows, just so, this isn't telling anything of one's alignment. Neither is Klingon's venture from the common path.

The second wasn't even my post but yes the FOS was suspicious for reasons explained by hiplop and several others had already covered. I mean I don't even know what you're saying the rest of this so... Who gives a shit if it's not the best vote in the world? Why should we tread around a wagon forming on a scumread in RVS?

Once he is seeing some agreement amongst others he is sticking with that one as his intended target because he is knowing it to have traction. From there, he is with AN AGENDA of finding the "scum" in Klingon, twisting some things she is saying in an effort to keep interest. Keep in mind, his initial "scum read" is still coming from the flakiness of reasons (capitalizing on the human condition of being resistant to change or anything different, kinda like how at work or school most people are put off by having to learn a "new way of doing things") as the basis for his read. With a preconceived notion, a man is noting it is easy to find evidence to support an opinion. A man is doing this much and more, and getting away with even more than he should have been able to, as scum in his last game.

YES JAQEN WE KEPT OUR VOTE ON KLINGON WHEN IT GAINED TRACTION. YES ONCE KLINGON POSTED MORE WE BOTH DETERMINED THAT SHE WAS SCUMMY AS FUCK AND VOCALLY SUPPORTED AND STILL SUPPORT HER LYNCH TODAY. What things did we twist? You don't just get to fucking misrepresent and slander us like that without giving examples of what the fuck you're talking about. The FOS thing is not the basis of our (at least my) read. Meta is. This is been explained by myself time and time again, and Titus has agreed with me on that account: this is scum Klingon. I'm curious as to why you targeted us specifically out of everyone that voted Klingon early on when our slot has been the most fucking clear and vocal about our reasons why. You're going into this with the mindset that Klingon is town and targeting her biggest nay-sayer without even ATTEMPTING to evaluate her play or consider the arguments presented by everyone scum reading her.

At the time of the first post Elyse was feeling a bit of hate and this one is abruptly calling the Garmr/Elyse match TvS with Garmr looking very town and Elyse not so much. When all is being quickly explained and it is obvious opinion is swinging against Elyse, Spiff is going back to 'nah girl! You're town just not uber town' as an out on what's evidence of his first slip. A man is naming it such because it is showing his eagerness to lynch someone. That kind of excitement a man isn't seeing from early D1 town because they aren't having the knowledge needed to form an opinion truly one way or the other.

THIS MAKES NO FUCKING SENSE. Once again this wasn't me. I can't tell if you're saying "Spiff" as in Spiffeh or just our slot as a whole.
You never explain how the FUCK this looks like we have an eagerness to lynch someone, and you also don't explain HOW THAT'S BAD IN THE FIRST PLACE???

That one is also doing a fair amount of schmoozing. First with Aunt Jemina (whose ego everyone know she is liking stroked) with his over the top "my friendly maple syrup mama" town assignment to his "girl power" post and then acting as if he's captivated by the secret alt which is Spider Gwen (who cares, not relevant to the game). This schmoozing is giving this one a free pass as he is saying those things he thinks people want to hear. Instead of ardently figuring out who is or isn't scum.

So now we're scum for listing town reads? You're attacking posts like my "girl power" one and actually trying to twist them into something to fit this fucking narrative you're building. THAT'S WHAT MAKES IT OBVIOUS YOU'RE NOT COMING INTO THIS READ WITH AN OPEN MIND. YOU ARE COMING INTO IT WITH YOUR MIND MADE UP ALREADY AND ARE LOOKING FOR ANYTHING UNDER THE SUN THAT CAN FIT.

Umm, no. Nothing to town is a slam dunk 426 posts into a large theme game. A man is knowing this to be just so, just as he is knowing both Spiffheads are feeling the same way as town with the hesitance D1 in recently finished games with the both which neither are exercising here. The only way Klingon is a slam dunk for scum at this point is if scum are feeling pretty sure they are causing the mislynch of a strong player the first day which is high on their priority for night kills.

And here you're once again using a trivial fucking post to try and cast us in a negative light, ESPECIALLY when you should know I have a certain confidence and aggression towards my scum reads.

How the fuck is this the case that started the wagon on us?

~Spiffy

[Spifflop]

Passionate Storm - seems as obnoxious as usual. null-town
Garmr - hasn't particularly pinged for me, will re-read
I Am Innocent - didn't notice they were in the game
inte - same as above
PeregrineV - had a null-town earlier but can't remember why
Dapper Stranger - town, I'm liking their logic and their scumreads. Town
Klingoncelt - I like the fact that they are sticking to their guns and aren't trying to convince people to townread them, they are trying to do their job. Town
Spider Gwen - ignored me then made a bad vote on passionate storm. Scum
Aunt Jemina - seems very focussed on giving reads rather than actually trying to sort out what is going on. null-scum
TheWayItEnds - barely registered they were in the game.
T S O - like what I've seen, town
Shiro - hasn't pinged, will reread
My Other Head Is Scum - I can't read fire, if vedith becomes more active will be able to give something on them.
Alchemist21 - I like alch and want them to be town. town
Extrapolated Eagle - EE's posts have been mixed for me, bit I'm scumreading his pushers and there fore null-town
itlepip - when I said I was scumreading them earlier I meant spifflop. My bad. They haven't really registered so I'll put them at null
Aneninen - a mysterious man full of mysterious mystery. Null
Errantparabola - I disliked his early pushes on EE, but since then has been decent. Null
Elyse - dislike fence sitty blehness. Scum
grapes - hasn't pinged that much but seems to have posted a decent amount. Null-scum
Spifflop - dapper's reasoning basically. He made some good points. Scum
Varsoon - a mysterious man full of mysterious mystery. Null

This is the worst post in the thread bar none.
And that's coming off of Jaqen's case on us so that means something. This is definitely scum with Klingon.

[Spifflop]

Wow, that was quite well thought out. I'll drop Elyse for now, I don't have the energy at this moment in time to continue pushing that lynch. And spifflop practically completely clears Klingon. So,

VOTE: spifflop

WHAT
THE
FUCK

So this guy drops the Elyse vote COMPLETELY after Jaqen's case (without explaining why he agrees with it) but getting him to even fucking CONSIDER Klingon as scum is like pulling teeth.

[Spifflop]

Spifflop - dapper's reasoning basically. He made some good points. Scum

Another guy that is shoehorning Jaqen's case and using it as an opportunity to ignore Klingon's scumminess and remove her greatest adversary.

This is scum with Klingon.

[Spifflop]

I haven't read anything but I see spifflop votes and when I come back tonight those shitty votes better get off Spiff and on Kling. Spiff is the towniest town that ever towned.

Too good to pass up.

Vote: Spifflop

This is about what I expect from this player.

~Spiffy (all of these have been from me I forgot to sign a few)

[Spifflop]

Have only read the last couple pages but the spifflop votes are beautiful.

Lots of resistance too and I haven't seen one person muster a reason why they're so town.

Fun fact this guy has vote parked on us all day and still has yet to explain why he is scum reading us. Now you've given him an out Jaqen way to go.

~Spiffy

[Spifflop]

EVERYONE NOTICE HOW EVERYONE THAT HAS VOTED FOR ME IS TURNING A BLIND EYE TO THE ARGUMENTS PRESENTED FOR KLINGON SCUM YET ARE ACTING LIKE THEIR VOTES ARE JUSTIFIED.

No one is specifically acknowledging the main push we've had all game which means they have no fucking basis for voting us in the first place.

~Spiffy

[Spifflop]

5/101 posts

You're bad.

Since when did quantity of posts matter?

~Spiffy

[Spifflop]

With all this in mind, Anen, a man's perspective on both Celt and Elyse is coming not from their posts, but rather Spifflop. That one's stance on Elyse is town quickly to Elyse is scum when that is briefly popular and then quickly back to Elyse is town again is showing she can't be scum with Spifflop because she's easily being discarded with little provocation.

WOW I ALMOST FORGOT THIS GEM.

Jaqen admits that he is basing his entire read on Klingon off of us. Why on FUCKING EARTH would you not try to form a read on your own of the player so many people are town reading? He admits right here he hasn't gone into this with an open mind and isn't considering the several valid points against Klingon.

~Spiffy

[Spifflop]

Don't like the fact that the spifflop wagon I don't think the reasoning for it is good despite the fact that more than half of spiffys veiws contrast mine I can put this slot as town. Also my number 1 scum read has jumped onto it and I don't think he will get lynched because people seem dumb so Might as well jump on scum read numero duece since that is likely to get lynched today.

VOTE: Klingon

This is town.

~Spiffy

[Spifflop]

Just so Jaqen can stop discrediting our reasons and motives for voting Klingon, this is where I explain my main reason for scumreading Klingon:
Klingon says that both of our heads are notorious for reading her wrong.

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=63171: Town read Klingon all of Day 1 as she was getting pressured. She was nightkilled N1 and flipped town.
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=63284: Klingon subs into a scum slot and I scum read her pretty immediately. I go apathetic and drop it but she turns out to be scum.

So Klingon please explain to me how you can possibly say that I'm notorious for misreading you.

~Spiffy

This is what made it clear that Klingon was only concerned with discrediting the wagon on her. The way Jaqen is trying to misrepresent us and act are whole read is based off of the FOS thing is fucking ridiculous.

~Spiffy

[Spifflop]

@garmr Nobody is writing me off as village idiot, as far as I understand. I just need to learn to be a little less wordy with my posts so they don't take a million and a half years to read all the way through.

Other people: feel free to correct me if above is wrong

Titus: Don't bring my job into this!

Next post: Brings another part of her job into this.

Yeah. I'm still mad at you for that post you made earlier

Look how much this guy has changed now that he has an excuse to be on a wagon other than Klingon. He was so vocal when trying to get an Elyse wagon going (while simultaneously ignoring the points against Klingon) but now has literally nothing to say.

~Spiffy

[Spifflop]

@EE please explain what aspect of Dapper Stranger's case resonated with you and address my response to his case.

~Spiffy

[Spifflop]

I've spent most of my time in this game defending myself, what the hell game have you been watching?

As for Scum hunting, defending myself has taken up most of my time, but I have asked some questions (I still await AJ's reply.)

It's not like you're acting super Towny or anything. The best course of action is for Town to work together and you don't seem at all interested in that. Instead, Town is expected to work for you.

VOTE: itlepip

There - I found Scum, Pip. Ya happy?

HOW DO PEOPLE THINK THIS IS TOWN.
SHE GIVES ABSOLUTELY NO REASON FOR THIS VOTE HOLY SHIT.

~Spiffy

[Spifflop]

Klingon let's get spiffy for now. Get a good strong wagon going and then as we ride off into a beautiful sunset with a hammer at the end we can look back at Titus and itlepip and Elyse who are trying desperately to drag the wagon back even though it pushes ever forward?

I like how you are only so vocal about having us lynched now that there is some support about it.
You didn't say a fucking THING about us until there was some traction.

~Spiffy

[Spifflop]

These guys aren't noobs, Titus. Most of them have played with me before. They know how I play. They know I'm a Day 3 player.

Now she's trying to leverage the whole "Klingon sucks on D1" thing Jaqen spoonfed her.

~Spiffy

[Spifflop]

The Spliff is on my Null list, so I'll have to think about it.

I'd much rather see Passionate Storm or Itlepip lynched. They're trying to control Town, as opposed to working with Town. They are Scum.

Here she is giving herself an out when she hops on my wagon later.
Her reason for scum reading PS and itlepip doesn't make any sense.

~Spiffy

[Spifflop]

Town: Passionate Storm, Elyse, itlepip, EP, TSO, Aunt Jemima, Garmr, Aneninen

Scum: Klingon, randomidget, Alchemist, grapes

Everyone else is null.
I can't tell if Jaqen is scum with Klingon throwing her a bone or is just stubborn town.
The way so many people latched onto his shit case makes me think scum are trying to hide behind it and he is actually town.

~Spiffy

[Spifflop]

Why do you feel that way?

~Spiffy

[Spifflop]

Titus who else do you consider part of the town block?

~Spiffy

FUCK sorry

~Spiffy

[Spifflop]

I do find it odd that Jaqen isn't even phased by how awful every other vote on us is.

Like seriously look at the composition of our wagon LOL

~Spiffy

[Spifflop]

Lol Jaqen trying to use my anger as a means to umbrella my entire response to him as an "overblown expletive enhanced reaction" and refusing to acknowledge that his case sux

<3

~Spiffy

[Spifflop]

And once again hiding behind terms such as "fluff" without providing examples so he doesn't have to go address all the shit he is hellbent on avoiding in my ISO.

~Spiffy

[Spifflop]

Give me the stats on Klingon and randomidget.
Oh wait you can't do that unbiased because you're scum with them

~Spiffy

[Spifflop]

Titus our opinions are so similar idk whether to embrace it or be terrified.

PEdit: Jaqen who do you think is scum other than myself? Also why are you trying to ignore how obvtown I was in my latest bout of posting?

~Spiffy

[Spifflop]

EE you do realize you haven't provided a reason for scum reading me?

~Spiffy

[Spifflop]

And once again hiding behind terms such as "fluff" without providing examples so he doesn't have to go address all the shit he is hellbent on avoiding in my ISO.

~Spiffy

A man is pointing out that's what the ISO Widget beside ones name is for. No need te littering the thread with a wall of mindless dribble when it's so handily accessed by clicking the link.

OH MY GOD EVERYONE NEEDS TO READ THIS.

Jaqen was perfectly content with going through my ISO to NITPICK AT TRIVIAL POSTS, but when I ask him to consider the other aspects of my ISO he refuses to comply.

@Eagle thoughts on this?

~Spiffy

[Spifflop]

Titus get a load of this shit.

~Spiffy

[Spifflop]

EAGLE ADDRESS MY RESPONSE TO DAPPER THEN. You don't get to say that shit while ignoring my responses.

~Spiffy

[Spifflop]

Notice how I'm fucking inviting Jaqen and EE to analyze me thoroughly but they insist on ignoring my responses.

~Spiffy

[Spifflop]

Jaqen is resorting to taking unsupported potshots and Eagle tries to hide behind Jaqen's shitacular case without expounding on it.

~Spiffy

[Spifflop]

Btw I'm excited to add this game to the laundry list of games where scum attack me day 1 because they think I'm an easy target but p. much out themselves in the process.

PEdit: @Eagle notice I left you out of my scum reads? I am asking you because you might just be misguided town and I am trying to determine for myself. This is called "scum hunting". Stop dodging the question and answer. I never attacked you for your Elyse case, I just said that I don't think Elyse is scum.

And I will not be providing a reads list. If the Klingon wagon ever loses traction I will probably provide a full case for her but at this point I don't need to. I'm not going to jump through hoops to get you to unvote me. If you want to keep kidding yourself that Jaqen has a case by all means keep your vote. But expect to be scum read because of it.

~Spiffy

[Spifflop]

Lol Jaqen I did ask you to provide examples of where I was twisting Klingon's words to fit my case (P.S. this is what you did to me!). You have not done so.

~Spiffy

[Spifflop]

Also be nice.

~Spiffy

[Spifflop]

Eagle you do realize reads are not set in stone? Like I said I make observations of things I am thinking at the time and your perpetual ignorance to the Klingon wagon was what made me think that. And so far you've given me no reason to think otherwise.

But by all means continue ignoring my questions for you it's a really good look.

PEdit: Btw I KNEW everyone would try to write everything I said off because I was angry. I don't blame them though that's probably the only play they have to keep acting like they're scum reading me.

~Spiffy

[Spifflop]

I was cursing at your case not at you directly.

You know I love you.

Maybe.

~Spiffy

[Spifflop]

I'll think about it.

~Spiffy

[Spifflop]

Jaqen it should obviously not be taken personally and I never made any personal attacks. I was pissed when I read your case and expressed it accordingly. I even prefaced it that bad words were going to be said and I acted similarly when you pushed the same thing in Trouser God so idk why you're suddenly so appalled by this.

Sorry if you're genuinely offended.

~Spiffy

[Spifflop]

Hey my first game with hiplop I bitched him out for suspecting me and look where we are now!

~Spiffy

[Spifflop]

I hate to burst your bubble but...
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=83&t=63671
ISO me in this game and you'll see.

I get this probably means you hate me but you're wrong about me not getting like that as town.

~Spiffy

[Spifflop]

That's actually a good example of why I'm obvtown here.

~Spiffy

[Spifflop]

hiplop here to say I'm gonna catch up as best I can tomorrow

but what the fuck happened while I was gone

[Spifflop]

grapes, jaqen hagar, EE and randommidget is our wagon.

if this isn't scum pushed I don't know what is. Literally everyone who has been widely scumread is pushing our wagon

pedit: jaqen I've briefly looked at your case and its completely reliant on someone being town. That's bullshit? you're way better than this. You did this shit in FF7 mafia and it lost the game for town. Don't do this again

[Spifflop]

EE, you're better than this.

Btw, I really appreciate all the blessings given. You guys are awesome. Love this site/playerlist

[Spifflop]

Jaqen, what are your thoughts on the wagon composition of spifflop? Theres no fucking way you think this is a good wagon with who is on it.

(especially you, cerb. If you're there please talk some sense into this guy)

[Spifflop]

since you think these "men" are finding wisdom? which ones? I refuse to believe you think randommidget/grapes are contributing/valid town choices.

I agree with titus that this is a grapes/random scum, rather than Jaqen. Jaqen is doing his goofy-stubborn shtick

[Spifflop]

hiplop <3

Jaqen I just provided a game where town Spiffeh reacted very similarly I urge you to read that.

Who is cerb?

hiplop Titus thinks Jaqen is scum.

~Spiffy

[Spifflop]

dapper is a hydra of cerb and jaqen isn't it?

pedit: you think jaqen scum? I'm still a bit behind. You said the opposite a few pages back, apologies.

[Spifflop]

Jaquen more likely than not is scum.

He's far too invested in protecting Klingon and attacking the townblock. His attacks are bullshit and designed to probe weak points in town blocks. He's systemically moved through the block, rather than being frustrated that any particular read was getting ignored. They started with me but I didn't get a wagon. Then Elyse. Then me again. Then itepip. Then you. He's getting frustrated about us being a clique and Klingon bring scumread but not any read getting traction. His attacks, especially that IRL one, are that we suck.

Titus yes you did? Lol

PEdit: Jaqen remember that time preflip associatives helped town steamroll the game?

Me neither.

~Spiffy

[Spifflop]

Titus go drunk you're home

~Spiffy

[Spifflop]

I misspoke. Forgot it was fresh and not cerb

[Spifflop]

jaqen you did this fucking shit in ff7

step away and fucking thing about it. We're town.

[Spifflop]

we are not "Dueling"

get out stop being antitown

[Spifflop]

Klingon is objectively not a "counter wagon"

we are.

[Spifflop]

counter wagon is usually a term implied by me to mean a scum-pushed wagon to defend a buddy/person they don't want lynched

to me its a dirty word

[Spifflop]

scum that is wagonned, I assume she means Klingon. The caught scum who is being wagonned

[Spifflop]

the ee wagon was shit

my wagon is shit. Almost like scum is going for the vocal townies or something

[Spifflop]

I meant in this particular context but its 4am and I'm fucking tired

yes a counterwagon is just a second wagon

anyways, jaqen, you would know you're full of shit by now. You know this isn't my scum game, or should anyway. I have no idea what to think of elyse. I honestly am thinking shes scum. Spiffeh strongly disagrees. We agree on basically everything but that

[Spifflop]

describe my scum game then, jaqen. No one caught me in FF7, and you clearly still can't. Like, I don't have to shake it up if you still can't read me apparently.

"scum me" has never been pointed in detail

[Spifflop]

spiffeh is a damn fine town player and is killing it this game. I hope you realize that at least when kling flips scum.

This is town me. We have caught scum, trust me on this ffs. If we're wrong, I'll hear you out on Elyse scum, but I don't think we are.

[Spifflop]

also irrelevant but you saying "spitflop" is making me howl

[Spifflop]

I think your problem is that we had a not-so-serious vote on Klingon with her shitty entrance, and as she posted she KEPT UP with her scummy entrance. The read strengthened. Looking at your "case" I see you have a lot of problems with that. We both saw klings entrance as scummy, and actually switched to grapes. We were deadest on grapes until quite late. It wasn't until kling was so awfully scummy that we couldn't take it anymore that we flipped.

Kling's reads are horrible, based on seemingly no substance or anything, and honestly seems like shes getting coached. I love her as a person, but she is scummy as FUCK in this game.

pedit: ill have to go back and look but having your doubts sounds a lot different than figuring me out

[Spifflop]

erhm, I'm looking and I caught someone up on the game and misquoted something you said. That angered you but you didn't really do anything with that read. I was still townread by you from what I can gather with context?

[Spifflop]

howl is a term for laugh. I found the nickname funny

No, I am not getting lynched for the "greater good". That is stupid as shit. We flip scum-kling, and then we move on from there. Pre-flip associatives don't work. You do not know conclusively anything with our death or anyones death. That is called running up lynches, and is a very poor tactic. Town will and SHOULD fight this. Randomfuckingmidget jumped on our wagon as soon as he could, has an undying townread on kling for fucking NO reason and is the scummiest-of-scum in this game. This guy is an awful candidate to be on our "town wagon", and honestly the fact that you don't see that is stressing me out. I thought you were town but you thinking random is a good town block member or whatever the fuck you think fills me with the worst of nightmares.

[Spifflop]

You forget that sometimes people are right, and are very passionate about their rightness. And the party in the wrong continues to do wrong-things.

Its like, I knew Donald trump was a shit candidate a year ago. He has proceeded to become worse. This is the same situation. I turned my attention away to hating Ben Carson, but now I'm back to my hatred of Trump. Yes, it could be a "plethora of evidence", as you put it, or kling/Trump could just be scummier than he/she was before. Hint, its that one. I gave her a fair shot, and her reemergence in this game pinned her as scum.

and honestly even if you think we're wrong, at worst we're tunnelly town. I'm not sure where your case transforms into "we are evil scum"

pedit: right now its preflip. Assuming there is a associative before any flips = preflip

[Spifflop]

Ok, a man is checking and while Spiffeh isn't kart out ignoring a man's case he is ignoring it fir around 14 hours before actually responding to it and is posting plenty in the interim. This is looking like he is waiting for help before responding. If Spifflop is flipping scum then whoever wasn't on during that time frame before his response and shows up at about the same time he us actually getting around to responding is needing scrutiny.

Ya know, this was 12 pages less when I went to bed last night.

Kinda makes me think the vote is the right one because of all this shit flying in the thread to try and distract us otherwise.

-Fresh

Anyone sharing a wagon with this after these two posts should be ashamed of themselves.

~Spiffy

[Spifflop]

last post tonight

Also,
UNVOTE:
VOTE: spifflop
Doesn't look like spidey is happening today.

.

SHE POSTED THE WRONG STUFF, JAQEN. You're tunneling. Spiffeh outlined quite cleary why kling was scum. Her completely fabricated reads, the damning meta on her by titus, her dodging of questions, her complete inability to scumread someone who wasn't for her strategic benefit.

I don't give a shit about early game, she got progressively more scummy. It took a LOT to pry me from my grapes read. It was not tunneling, it was logic and damning evidence, jaqen.

so yes, random is fucking on my wagon. Showed no resistance at all, like right away.

Does that change anything?


(real last post, pce)

[Spifflop]

Unless anyone is up for an alchemist wagon. That may actually be even better

Shiro why don't you want to vote for Klingon?

~Spiffy

[Spifflop]

Anyway I'm done arguing with Jaqen. It should be abundantly clear that his slot is pulling out all the stops to get us lynched and is refusing to reconsider, so I will probably just ignore them until Klingon flips scum and they are forced to drop this atrocious case.

~Spiffy

[Spifflop]

@page 46 spiffy seems to be getting hot under the collar. Also people are bullshitting on my reads so hard. Will tespond to itle's points as he did do more than just go 'thes os scurm hurr durr'

Oh hey another guy that resorts to writing my responses off as emotional instead of actually considering them!

Seriously there is an obvious pattern here. Everyone on my wagon (except for EE who at least tried) has refused to get in an actual dialogue with me but continues to misrepresent me.

Eagle please tell me how you're comfortable with this?

~Spiffy

[Spifflop]

scum-butt random midget, grapes, random midget and fucking "is he in this game?" peregrine v on one wagon

[Spifflop]

Spifflop null-scum, but clears kling and I like the way people reacted to this wagon in that there some..... Interesting reactions. Hoping for maybe more of those

Again you're just assuming I will flip scum with no basis behind it. Selecting a lynch solely because it would clear someone is ridiculous, but if you're going to use it you have to at least acknowledge the other side of it: If Klingon flips scum and this game is single ball, it clears myself, Titus, probably itlepip, probably Elyse. And why go for the information lynch on us over Klingon who can't form a coherent read on everyone?

Another thing Eagle. What do you think about this post?

Give me 1 single post where klingon actually does something to move town forward. She hasn't pushed anyone at all this game, nor has she defended herself. How is not defending yourself town if you aren't going to scumhunt? The whole point of voting is because the reactions people give when pressured can be used to form reads.

I've spent most of my time in this game defending myself, what the hell game have you been watching?

As for Scum hunting, defending myself has taken up most of my time, but I have asked some questions (I still await AJ's reply.)

It's not like you're acting super Towny or anything. The best course of action is for Town to work together and you don't seem at all interested in that. Instead, Town is expected to work for you.

VOTE: itlepip

There - I found Scum, Pip. Ya happy?

Tell me the reason for this vote. You're continuously giving Klingon the benefit of the doubt and criticizing us for...what exactly? I'm still not really sure.
As Titus said, Klingon has trouble articulating reads and making pushes as scum. This is case in fucking point.

[Spifflop]

~Spiffy

[Spifflop]

spiffeh you never talk to me on gchat anymore

[Spifflop]

@TSO

Anen seems snarkier than I remember him being in the past.

VOTE: Anen

This vote is shit. How is that scummy?

Because it look like he's trying to force a sense of confidence in his posts in an attempt to get people to just go along with what he says. I've seen Anen correctly tunnel a scum player for an entire game without snark, so I don't really believe it's necessary for Town Anen or that it's coming from Town Anen.

I don't like this explanation either. I don't get how the first sentence is even a bad thing. And it's a huge jump to base a meta argument off of what looks to me like RVS trolling. Especially when it's as basic as "X didn't do this in a previous town game therefore scum".

These are some of the reasons I'm scumreading him. Not nearly as confident in this as the Klingon and randomidget scum reads though. Why the fixation on Alchemist?

Also, you are doing God's work with your vote.

~Spiffy

[Spifflop]

I will also provide scathing criticisms of your play if you ask

[Spifflop]

this is true

mine are passive aggressive at best

[Spifflop]

more relevantly, TSO I'm loving your posts this and last page. I've read them but I'm on my phone and typing sucks. When I get home I will talk more. I'm glad you're on the same page with kling, she really needs to die.

[Spifflop]

its a link to our scum QT

[Spifflop]

kling, you have us in the same category as players who are lurking or adding little of value and I have no idea how you can justify that. We have a ton of posts clearly outlinining what we think on a variety of issues. Your refusal to put us in a category adds credence to your necessity of lynch.

@Itlepip, you're killing it. Good job. Not going to quote because of the awkward way it'll show up, but anyone unsure of Klingon-scum should read @1480

@EE, please think about how easy the wagon on us showed up, and how hard it was to get to 9 on Klingon. Immediately we got 3 shitty votes. That's telling. I honestly can't tell whats up with you. I think you're a very smart person who hasn't quite figured out mafia yet?

I think we have one of two possible scum teams at this point in time:

stuff like this is absolute bull. You can't claim this day one. I for one have no idea about your alignment. ALSO PEOPLE WHO AGREE WITH EACHOTHER =/= SCUM TOGETHER. BOTH YOUR SCUM TEAMS ARE BAD BECAUSE THEY ARE SIMPLY PEOPLE THAT AGREE. If you want a critique now, this is it. Scum frequently distance/bus/etc. You're not gonna find scum by lumping anyone who agrees into one group. You're not. I promise you.

1489 is one of the worst posts I've ever read on this site.

I appreciate you think its the second group (ala Klingon+random), but that's the only connection you can make. I like the last sentence, that's it

Correct but when I have lynched Vedith based on this, he has flipped town. See Midnight Sun.

me too, they flipped scum

Alright.
VOTE: Klingon

I reserve the right to call you scummy as much as I want d2 if she flips town. No "I was town so I couldn't have known her alignment" or any of that. Yeah, I know exactly what I'm doing. If I'm alive d2 you're not going to strongarm or WIFOM me. I will not give you the benefit of the doubt. You will have to convince me that you're town or I swear I will push your lynch until I run out of breath or you get lynched. And keeping me alive tomorrow will not make me doubt that you're scum.

HALLA FUCKING LEUIA

When someone I am scumreading blatantly compromises everything they've done for 50 pages, yes, that definitely does worry me.

tso, I agree with you one hundred percent. Lets talk about this more later, I don't think I should share what I noticed just yet. I think it should make your Klingon vote feel good.

[Spifflop]

Hey guys I took a break from this game but now I'm back and better than ever.

...whenever I decide to catch up.

~Spiffy

[Spifflop]

It's here.

Have a bucket at the ready for when you vomit.

~Spiffy

[Spifflop]

finally done finals; just a little bit behind. will catch up in the AM, apologies.

[Spifflop]

It's here.

Have a bucket at the ready for when you vomit.

~Spiffy

Excellent, I'll look at it tomorrow.

Also, commiserations to hiplop - I forgot to mention that previously.

thanks so much

honestly, this game is stalling because we have caught scum and scum are trying to halt discussion. I dislike that, we honestly need a flip

Intlepip, why do you think we're scum if kling town? Seems unusual from the rest of your posts, IMO?

[Spifflop]

thank you for that answer. What I expected from towntlepip. was worried.

@EE, I did read your post a while back. sorry if I offended you, that's just how I see it. You lumped them together because of agreement, maybe im wrong but I don't think I deserved what you said to me. I do think you're town, I think AJ is right that both of us got wagonned for being loud and a little bit fluffy as a counterwagon to kling.

[Spifflop]

Alright, I'm sorry guys for the way Ivr been lately, I promise I'm not usually this much of a dick, or very unreasonable. I like working with people. But rl has been incredibly stressful lately and I just dint have the capacity to deal with the stress of rl and put the time and energy I want to make sure everyone is on the same page or explaining things to people, so instead of explaining I've been yelling at people sfot asking questions and trying to work with me. I'm really sorry about this, so I'm going to have to v/la until Friday. I'll change my vote if need be for a lynch before deadline, but other than that my posting will be limited until this is dealt with (hopefully by Friday or Saturday.) I promise I'm a good person who tries to work with people, so I'm really sorry to the people I've been a jerk to, namely spiff, tso, Elyse, and anyone else. My reads over the past few days are probably also garbage since I haven't been able to read like I want to nd they've been disgustingly sporadic and poorly researched. Which is why I put my vote back in Elyse.

I personally do not agree with the klingin wagon or lynch, but if it gets closer to deadline and there are no other options that I find scummy, I will add my vote there just so we can get a lynch.

I want to say this, though: Titus is right in that we have had thirty pages and not really gone anywhere in the last thirty pages, which is rather sad and kind of proof of the point that we should spend the next couple pages trying to get on similar pages and working together.

missed this post. I forgive you wholeheartedly. We all get stressed sometimes. don't fret. spifflops got a big heart

[Spifflop]

I really, really don't see how people think kling is scum pushed

This has been one of the hardest "obvscum" wagons I've EVER pushed. Like, everyone seems to mildly agree but has weird reasons for staying off. This is NOT an easy push or wagon or anything

Grapes is scumming the fuck out imo

agreed w/ tso that random will sort himself out.

[Spifflop]

It looks like to me that was the chief correlation. I may be wrong.

Feel free to prove me wrong you majestic eagle, you.

[Spifflop]

I'm terribly sorry for not being able to be here for a couple of days, which has actually happened because of previously unseen reasons.

Since it seems to be impossible to catch up and pay attention to everything, I'd like to ask the following players to summarize the recent events.
Passionate Storm, Spifflop, Spider Gwen, Klingonette, Varsoon, DapperStranger.

I hope at least some of them will post something. (The list is not random, it's based upon suspected activity and my former reads, including town and scumreads too so that I may remain unbiased.)

Thanks!

Gahhhhhhhh do I have to? I'll do this later. Feeling a bit lazy lol

@Kling

You can still join me on alchemist. Let's face it Titus isn't getting lynched and neither is Spifflop. Assist me, even if you do it for self preservation. I have a really good feeling that he is scum.

@Titus You know you scumread him as well and although I know you are deadset on kling please just for today join me.

Get on Spifflop and magic is happening. All it is taking to happen is votes.

Please stop tunneling on me jaqen. Listen to your hydra partner.

It's curious how difficult it is to get you lynched this game, Klingon.

Maybe it's because most players realize that I'm Town.

decidedly not true? Like everyone is at the very least "okay" with your lynch, but its stalling for no logical reason, why is that? you''ve presented virtually no town-posts and always are on the defensive in a really awkward way. I really don't see why you aren't dead yet. Seriously.

[Spifflop]

VOTE: kling

i still think an alch wagon is a LOT better
but as people have said, people aren't going to change their minds anytime soon

EP we're on the same page. Alch is scum sliding along right now, makes more sense later on

[Spifflop]

WHAT THE FUCK

DAYVIG JAQEN

[Spifflop]

dsadsadsadsASowjois

[Spifflop]

DIFFERENT FUCKING PERSON

AND IM NOT ANGRY AT YOU FOR A SHITTY CASE

I AM ANGRY AT YOU FOR RUINIUNG SOMETHING IVE BEEN EXCITED FOR FUCKING YEARS FOR UGH

[Spifflop]

we're town that's all ic an say

just vote kling

[Spifflop]

@Shiro I am perfectly willing to lynch Alchemist tomorrow regardless of what Klingon flips (it will be scum though). I have expressed multiple times that he is a scum read of mine as well. But both myself and hiplop are confident that Klingon is scum and our vote probably isn't moving.

I also appreciate that everyone recognizes how shitty Jaqen's push on us is and are now tuning him out.

I still need to complete my catch up and I will hopefully have some more substantial thoughts after.

~Spiffy