Micro 596: Longnight Mafia [GAME OVER]

[RadiantCowbells]

I have not gotten my role PM but I was fairly sure this slot was town or I wouldn't have replaced in.

I think it's Ranger but I haven't read in depth.

[RadiantCowbells]

You better not be scum because I'm not and I wanted to bus you.

[RadiantCowbells]

I think there's got to be a rule against me having posted before I got my role PM.

Postie, why are you townread if you're town D:

That's not a thing damnit.

[RadiantCowbells]

That's what I was saying damnit.

[RadiantCowbells]

Oh my god SerenesForest people!

I never enjoyed playing mafia with them but I love Fire Emblem <3

~So does Maestro!

[RadiantCowbells]

called it.

VOTE: Not Postie because she's not in my group </3

[RadiantCowbells]

I'm adjusting to the pace of this game you all seem to be comfortable with.

For

TIMU

and

Trollie

- I'm town. Let's hypothetically say you got mod confirmation that I was town--like an Innocent Child reveal or a daytime cop investigation.

Can you show me why the other person is mafia?

(This hypothetical may have significant game value if I am somehow lynched and will get to have a say in a vengekill. But I'm going to fight like hell to just lynch the scum in our group in the first place).

If you're not Mafia, Trollie is Mafia because her content is rather lackluster and lazy compared to mine.

this bugs me.

[RadiantCowbells]

Panther is definitely town.

I'm not sure about TIMU and Trollie.

[RadiantCowbells]

does "welp I'm RC" count?

[RadiantCowbells]

What happened to your spreadsheet?

Apparently it works based on 1684. There should be no paranoia damnit.

[RadiantCowbells]

No, I haven't, but I would consider both Trollie and TIMU confirmed scum if I didn't already know that only one of them was scum and I'm townreading him independently.

Does he have a super scary scumgame that I should be worried about?

[RadiantCowbells]

Why are you townreading Panther?

*pokes*

[RadiantCowbells]

good to know RC is town.

RC who are you scumreading in every group? I'll list mine.

Group 1 - Ranger
Group 2 - Rhaegar
Group 3 - TIMU

You should never townread me so quickly.
You may live to regret it.

[RadiantCowbells]

What are your reads in your own group?

[RadiantCowbells]

Kill, walk me through your Postie and Ranger reads please.

[RadiantCowbells]

Hey Postie you were just online, but you didn't post in here. What gives?

Hi. I came in, saw a "first post" and a "Sup" and wanted to add something productive. Couldn't think of anything, so I decided to read Shortnight in case there was anything useful to be learned from it.

I want to RVS vote someone but I'm paranoid that a legit VI will hammer after not reading the set-up.

RQS anyone...? You're scum; what's your plan for this game? Go!

For the record this doesn't even make sense.
If a VI hammers and you didn't selfvote the hammer would by default be on scum.

[RadiantCowbells]

Other reads:

PP and TIMU thing was town v. town as I've said before, so by POE that leaves TheTrollie as scum.

In group one, I'm think RC (previously bluefin) is scum. I don't like how bluefin appeared to be buddying up to Ranger by trying to answer all the questions I was directing at Ranger. Feels like scum trying to get on someone's good side.

Walk me through how that's buddying?
I really don't like how you keep emphasizing that I was previously Bluetrin. It feels disingenuous and feels like you're afraid that you lost a viable lynch because of my replace.

[RadiantCowbells]

I don't need a clean slate when I replaced into a town slot.
I also never said you should disregard everything Bluetrin said; I said that I don't like how your case is emphasizing that I'm Bluetrin and not addressing me at all.
You repeatedly getting his name wrong is sketchy af.

[RadiantCowbells]

It's weird and it's awkward and weird and awkward stuff is scummy, yes.
Why wasn't it addressed to me? You can talk about BlueTrin until the cows come home but the general consensus now is that I'm town and you're not going to get shit done doubtcasting the previous player.
Why don't you talk to me?

[RadiantCowbells]

Like, I'm town.
How am I supposed to respond to you complaining about Bluetrin?
You're treating my slot like you're confbiased on it beyond reconsidering and the gamestate doesn't support that.
It feels like a premeditated decision to push a slot as opposed to a legitimate read progression.

Also that last paragraph makes it sound like you're just putting down a vote because someone put one on you and you want to move attention away from yourself.

Maybe.

Scum benefits from confusion and uncertainty, town doesn't. Scum has every reason to want to fog things up, town wants things to be straightforward and clear. What you doing, even as a joke (I don't disagree that it was a joke), just adds another layer of fog to the game.

Dude if you are town this is absolutely catastrophically horrible.
Postie may or may not be scum but if she is that was 100% not an intentional move to confuse people.
Assigning alignment indicative motivation to shit that doesn't merit it is a scumtell, fyi.

[RadiantCowbells]

@RC, I'm sorry you replaced into a scum slot RC, there isn't anything I can do to help you with that.

@Postie, No one has put a vote on me, read the game Postie.

See yeah this is what I mean.
You're either so confbiased on my slot so as to be beyond reconsidering or you're scum.
And you haven't been talking about me or my slot like you thought I was confscum until after the replace and pressure started building on Ranger.

[RadiantCowbells]

No, I'm saying that you're

not going to get me lynched

by talking about the previous player's play.

So if you're town you're going to have to talk about me anyway.

[RadiantCowbells]

Like jesus fuck I hate Rhaegar twisting every single thing that comes out of his mouth.

[RadiantCowbells]

@bluetrim, why do you feel so compelled to explain things for ranger?

@RC, I was in the process of asking BlueTrin about his interactions with me before he left, this read didn't come out of nowhere.

I didn't say it did.
I said that the gamestate doesn't support your certainty so you are either an extremely bad tunneler or scum.
And why are you arguing with someone you think is scum to the point of not caring about the replacements' actions about your own alignment?

[RadiantCowbells]

Postie pls more explaining your scumread on Rhaegar. I'm not disagreeing but I need to hear more from you.
Also what's your read on me?

@RC, but how am I tunneling on you? Jesus, I just only called your slot scum like this evening.

Here!

@RC, I'm sorry you replaced into a scum slot RC, there isn't anything I can do to help you with that.

@Postie, No one has put a vote on me, read the game Postie.

In group one, I'm think RC (previously bluefin) is scum. I don't like how bluefin appeared to be buddying up to Ranger by trying to answer all the questions I was directing at Ranger. Feels like scum trying to get on someone's good side.

Bringing up Bluetrin's stuff, which isn't scummy at all and I was positive the slot was town before I replaced in for the record, in the manner you did was designed to push me as opposed to explore your read on my slot. It's an explicit attempt to push the lynch onto my slot and doesn't help you or anyone else discern my alignment, which means that you've already decided what it is. That makes you scum or town. And just outright stating that I replaced into a scum slot is just dumb.

I'm personally leaning that you're scum who is either scum with Ranger and wants to push the lynch to me or scum with NM and want to try to get a 1v1 between me and Ranger.

[RadiantCowbells]

Anway, it seems a bit disengenous for you to suddenly "realize" that I'm in your group. Shouldn't you have known that all along?

Why is this alignment indicative?

[RadiantCowbells]

That makes you scum or horribly confbiased town.

fixed.

[RadiantCowbells]

And Postie, reads pls. Especially on me, Rhaeg, and KTS.
Can you make one of those huge wallposts from Word Sneak 2 please?

[RadiantCowbells]

intent to hammer rhaegar, i dont get good vibes from them at all

anyway, im not hammering soon at all. im considering all possibilities at the moment

the fuck is this?

don't you fucking dare hammer.

[RadiantCowbells]

For the record we're not hammering anyone until the end of the day and we're deciding all three lynches before we start lynching.
The way this was played in the first one was terribly unhelpful for town and part of the reason town lost it.

[RadiantCowbells]

are you fucking kidding me dude

[RadiantCowbells]

like were you fucking dropped on your head?
the fuck is wrong with you?

like I don't even give a fuck if that flips scum you're just fucking horrible.
don't ever join any of my games again

[RadiantCowbells]

dude fuck you.

[RadiantCowbells]

actually I think KTS is scum.

[RadiantCowbells]

He reacted way too casually to the shit I was saying to him.
Feels like he's scum and as a result not taking it seriously because he knows he was working towards his wincon.

And 276 and 278 are ridiculously insincere.

[RadiantCowbells]

Rhaeg, if you vengekill me you're a total idiot.

Assuming that you're town, but I'm pretty fucking sure you are because KTS's reaction was so bad.

[RadiantCowbells]

Great. So that happened.

I need to sleep because it's 5AM here but I promise I'll explain more stuff tomorrow.

You've made that promise and not pulled through in the past </3.

Swear on your undying love for the postal system.

[RadiantCowbells]

[quote="In post 283, Killthestory"]LOL INSINCERE.

YOURE ACTING LIKE HES FUCKING GOING TO POSITIVELY FLIP TOWN. CLEARLY HE COULD EASILY BE FUCKING WITH YOUR ASS. i mean come on, im pretty fucking sure rhaegar is scum, but his tone now is pinging me as town god dammit[/quote

this post is so fucking horrible jesus christ.

[RadiantCowbells]

Rhaegar you are literally so horrible that I feel sick to my stomach right now.

[RadiantCowbells]

Rhaeg, he's scum. stop.

he's playing this devil may care abrasive shit to try to get away with the quickhammer.

[RadiantCowbells]

Well you'll find out.

I'm 100% positive that KTS is scum here.

[RadiantCowbells]

Rhaegar's postlynch shit was also ridiculously towny and I don't see him doing it in that way if he were town.
I think he was just derptown.

[RadiantCowbells]

if he were scum* obviously.

I think that NM was is town because the quickhammer logic makes a lot of sense coming from town and not so much as scum nd I don't feel like Ranger would have done that selfvote as town.

I hate how quick she was to townread me as well, especially when I came into a slot that she scumread and she's been wrong about me a ridiculous number of times including in shortnight and it just feels bad. I think she was just trying to influence the group 3 lynch and introduce WIFOM. I don't like her pretending to not realize that Rhaegar was hammered either; it strikes me as her having an agenda regarding her picks for group 2. I think she wanted us to think that Postie was scum and that she was actually trying to influence the group 2 wagon and that she had KTS picked as the person who would bring the game home for scum. Which is terrible but eh.

If Rhaegar's actually scum or Ranger's actually town then whatever but I am going to reread for group 3 now.

What was towny about it?

He didn't really miss a step in his continuing to play the game after being lynched.
I feel like if he were scum instead of continuing to try to sort people, which he was doing, he'd do something like scream OMG I WAS TOWN WHY DID YOU MORONS LYNCH ME I HATE YOU ALL LYNCH X Y Z and something that would feel like more deliberate wifom introducing than what he did which genuinely felt like he was trying to sort people.

Plus I'm super sure that KTS's reaction was a scum reaction. My experience tells me that Town!KTS would have taken the shit I was saying a lot more personally and him staying calm and brushing it off is far, far more likely to be a scum than a town reaction. Town usually takes things personally, scum usually takes things impersonally unless they're making a show of things and KTS was clearly not trying to make a show of things. And the hammer just feels so horrible. And posts like 485 and 487 are just so terrible. I don't think I would townread you even if I had a cop inno but I can't even take seriously the thought that KTS is town here.

[RadiantCowbells]

Postie, what are your thoughts on group 3?

[RadiantCowbells]

What's the advantage to doing it as town?
The only reason I could see her doing it as town is because she wanted to ensure I was alive till the end and so that she could vengekill; but it doesn't justify doing it so early and shutting down communication.
I feel like she just wanted to introduce WIFOM and be able to ensure that I get vengekilled, especially after I was calling out KTS.

Leaning towards Trollie for scum, I think? PP still seems town to me. Idk I need to reread.

D:

I still townread you but can I get more reasons :[

*pokes*

[RadiantCowbells]

Oh, and Ranger can't talk anymore you goofball

[RadiantCowbells]

Postie.isDerpy

[RadiantCowbells]

They clearly can or something would have been said by now </3

[RadiantCowbells]

Postie pls stop derping about setup mechanics and actually walk me through your reads on group 3?

[RadiantCowbells]

Aww. Okies.

Yeah, group 3 definitely needs to post more besides Panther. Especially Trollie.

I'm leaning TIMU scum atm though.

[RadiantCowbells]

Actually I hate that post.
It feels way less actual realization and more like making a show of things.
That all caps WOAH just bugs me.

But TIMU is scummy as fuck as well so :\

[RadiantCowbells]

It's not about whether scum would think to fake it.
I don't think that he was faking it necessarily; I feel like he was making a show of the realization.

[RadiantCowbells]

Yeah but just because you 'THOUGHT' woah doesn't mean you'd say it like that?

[RadiantCowbells]

Panther's obvtown dude and I frankly don't understand how anyone can not see it.

TIMU, what's your read on Trollie?
Why are you scumreading Panther?

[RadiantCowbells]

Yeah, I really feel like TIMU's playing to be seen by others.
Posts like

Well everyone would answer something like 'My plan for the game is to catch scum.'

I'd make a convincing case on someone else in my group as scum, like a Town would try to do.

and especially

If you're not Mafia, Trollie is Mafia because her content is rather lackluster and lazy compared to mine.

All of them are terrible and read as someone trying to think through how town would react.
That last one is particularly odious and I honestly can't come close to seeing that as having come from town.

The big thing for me though is that he's addressing this was played in the previous game but didn't actually read what was going on in the previous game.
It feels like someone (probably Ranger) mentioned to him stuff about the previous game and the fact that there were two town lynches in scumchat but he didn't actually read what really happened.

Like how do you go back and forth that many times about how you read the same posts?

This is bad logic for the record. But whatevs.
Postie, why were you townreading TIMU over Trollie?

[RadiantCowbells]

Honestly, I'm positive that Panther is town.
If you're town Trollie, please hammer TIMU.
Give warning though because I have stuff to say before we hammer since I'm getting vengekilled if Ranger is scum.

And this whole NM thing is a load of crap.
Ranger learned what happens when you do stupid crap in the first one. I would be disgusted if she's town here and let NM hammer like that.

[RadiantCowbells]

Eh I guess.

I can't see that lazy and lackluster content coming from town though.

I think TIMU is scum here.

[RadiantCowbells]

Yeah, that's what I thought.

[RadiantCowbells]

I really really hope you're scum

[RadiantCowbells]

wtf.

[RadiantCowbells]

436 is the most horrible AtE I have ever seen.

[RadiantCowbells]

I hope I'm not a sucker but I'd pobably lynch trollie at this point

I don't understand how you find anything he's said on this page at all genuine.
You are his leading scumread and said his cases suck and he just rolls over and says he needs to die?
That doesn't even make sense.

[RadiantCowbells]

Trollie just hammer TIMU please.

[RadiantCowbells]

Can't make any sense of TIMU voting and unvoting repeatedly.

Doesn't make any sense from a town perspective in my opinion, and so it looks like a last ditch effort to be townread.

Pretty much.

I don't agree with your comments about Trollie but TIMU is scum so whatevs.

[RadiantCowbells]

I feel like NM already knows that this is a triple town flip and is setting up for it.

[RadiantCowbells]

Which posts have given you the impression that I know that this is a triple town flip?

Enlighten me for a minute.

[RadiantCowbells]

Like literally as soon as TIMU was hammered you started calling me out as scum.
I mean I don't feel like having this argument out because I feel like your scumgame is pretty terrible and I'd have figured it out by now but whatevs.

Assuming this is in fact a triple town flip my picks for scum would be:

NM/KillTheStory/Trollie

If Ranger is the only scum flip like I suspect that doubles down on all of those reads.
If Rhaegar flips town like I expect him to please venge KTS for the love of Annie.

[RadiantCowbells]

If Ranger is scum she's not stupid enough to not vengekill me so you can go ahead and share your reads.

What's your spreadsheet result?

[RadiantCowbells]

Except you immediately brought up the triple town flip thing in 457?
Stop being a derp. Ranger is scum. KTS/Trollie need to die.

In case of triple town flip, who would you vengekill from another group?

I would go for KTS

I agree.

[RadiantCowbells]

Like let me make this perfectly fucking clear to you.
Ranger was scum who wanted to be sure I got vengekilled because my reads were on point.
If you let her get away with that by lynching or venging fucking Panther I'm going to be pissed. He's fucking obvious town.
NM, Postie, don't be dumb.

[RadiantCowbells]

Postie give spreadsheet pls.

I don't think you'd have lynched me <3

[RadiantCowbells]

Postie pls I deserve to know

[RadiantCowbells]

Postie give spreadsheet pls.

Sure, I'll give access. To other people. And then we'll form a secret society that maintains and updates the spreadsheet. A secret society that plots your demise.

jk

If I wanted to be that mean I'd turn it into an RC-alignment-reading bot and then release it for everyone on the site to use.

I don't think you'd have lynched me <3

Probably not based just on the content I had to go off up until now, but I like to think you would have gotten obvscummier with more pressure on you. This was definitely one of your townier scumgames though, so good job.

Also congrats on the scummy; you definitely deserve it!

Your spreadsheet did not save you from 2 losses to Scum!RC including one where I replaced into a slot that was generally scumread.

I will say 10 very nice things about you if you share the spreadsheet damnit.

[RadiantCowbells]

I think Ranger is a great player. He's really good, really proud of his performance.

[RadiantCowbells]

Whyyy

[RadiantCowbells]

I'm officially going to move you back to </3 soon.

[RadiantCowbells]

No you.

[RadiantCowbells]

I really think both of these setups were town sided.

[RadiantCowbells]

As if it's not because I was super towny D:

[RadiantCowbells]

I think my play was one of the towniest I've pulled off in this game and you were just genuinely not very towny so I'm not surprised at all that NM quickhammered you.

[RadiantCowbells]

I think he was fairly sure I was town and felt like your reaction test might make me townread you so he wanted to get the hammer down and clear himself and not risk a mislynch in the group.

Sowwy.

[RadiantCowbells]

Because we wanted to pick our lynches so taht you would vengekill scum.

[RadiantCowbells]

vengekill town*

the Panther getting venged thing was planned.

[RadiantCowbells]

No, he was just V/LA then when he got back we said to go for TIMU but take it slow and what happened happened