Application of WOTC

[House]

Alts aren't allowed to play in newbie queue.

Last I heard, they could after meeting SE requirements.

[House]

Terrible players that are babied by people that should know better only put otherwise good games at severe risk of being completely ruined.

[House]

By terrible players, I mean Yume.

By good games, I mean any outside of the newbie queue.

[House]

By terrible players, I mean Yume.

By good games, I mean any outside of the newbie queue.

Is this your idea of a joke? As soon as that game is done, I'll blow the notion that I ruin large games out of the water.

It's not a notion, it's demonstrable fact that you wreck games.

[House]

By terrible players, I mean Yume.

By good games, I mean any outside of the newbie queue.

Is this your idea of a joke? As soon as that game is done, I'll blow the notion that I ruin large games out of the water.

It's not a notion, it's demonstrable fact that you wreck games.

It's also demonstrable that I don't.

Aw, did somebody manage to not blow a game out of the water for her team once? Holy shit, stop the presses!

[House]

you guys really need to get your shit together and consider others human beings as well

If those human beings insist on ruining games, they deserve to be called out on it until they refrain from doing so or are stopped from doing so.

[House]

you guys really need to get your shit together and consider others human beings as well

If those human beings insist on ruining games, they deserve to be called out on it until they refrain from doing so or are stopped from doing so.

I can't link that game, but I can link this one

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=66480

>.>

I can link games in response, do we really want to go there?

[House]

You don't have any authority to repeatedly harrass her publickly though by stating this fact "

she can't change

" you can suggest her to play in newbie games as thats a good place for her to learn as well

Quote where I said anything of the sort or retract the remark please.

[House]

Saying someone doesn't deserve to be in games outside the newbie queue until they demonstrate a decent record IN the newbie queue is obviously accepting the possibility while also protecting games.

[House]

the ruin part and if she doesn't know how to play is fixable over time

over how much time? Shes had enough time already and her attitude has not changed one bit

^

Frozen, she sent me a PM threatening to destroy Cowboy bebop if I didn't back off!

[House]

You said I ruin large games.

I said YOU RUIN GAMES.

[House]

the ruin part and if she doesn't know how to play is fixable over time

over how much time? Shes had enough time already and her attitude has not changed one bit

^

Frozen, she sent me a PM threatening to destroy Cowboy bebop if I didn't back off!

pm me that please

Yume claimed your lieing

My fault, misinterpretation.

She threatened to break site rules.

That's so much better, innit?

[House]

You said I ruin games and I wasn't going to stand by and let you continue without defending myself!

You do, there is no defense.

[House]

the ruin part and if she doesn't know how to play is fixable over time

over how much time? Shes had enough time already and her attitude has not changed one bit

^

Frozen, she sent me a PM threatening to destroy Cowboy bebop if I didn't back off!

is this true

Keep reading, a correction was made.

[House]

Yes. That doesn't, however, excuse them from calling me 'trash' via PM.

AFTER THE FACT.

[House]

see?! your saying they are just "as bad" so you agree you made some errors as well!

Thats the first step for improving. Isolate yourself and detect those errors! ignore the rest.

no it really isn't, it's just deflection

what?

deflection from what

Aren't you talking a break?

[House]

What fact? The fact is that you have one game as evidence of me being unreasonable, while I have multiple games as evidence of being reasonable.

i think that when you are threatening to break site rules it goes a bit beyond being reasonable

I was put in that spot because a certain someone declined all my attempts to solve the situation otherwise.

Me putting pressure on you to build an honorable reputation in the newbie queue to show improvement DOES NOT JUSTIFY THREATS OF BREAKING SITE RULES

[House]

but they can't just come out and claim "she can't change" !

I'm just saying what I'm seeing
Her attitude is the exact same as it was in the beginning
I see no change nor any attempts to change
so yeah

thats ok that you see it this way

so what?

That's OK that he shares his observation.

So what?

[House]

@acc you don't even know what the message was

It was reported to a listmod so back of very kindly. you have no place to talk about that

It doesn't matter what the exact wordnig of the message was. there's no possible situation where yume would threaten to break site rules without also endorsing a certain mentality that not everyone appreciates in a mafia game

She initiated the conversation with that threat.

[House]

@acc you don't even know what the message was

It was reported to a listmod so back of very kindly. you have no place to talk about that

It doesn't matter what the exact wordnig of the message was. there's no possible situation where yume would threaten to break site rules without also endorsing a certain mentality that not everyone appreciates in a mafia game

I have reasons to believe that was an empty threat trying to end the conversation and house harrasment. and who are you to talk about it anyway?

we have listmods and what they say goes!

You might want to warn your future protégés that I don't respond favorably to threats.

[House]

What fact? The fact is that you have one game as evidence of me being unreasonable, while I have multiple games as evidence of being reasonable.

i think that when you are threatening to break site rules it goes a bit beyond being reasonable

I was put in that spot because a certain someone declined all my attempts to solve the situation otherwise.

Me putting pressure on you to build an honorable reputation in the newbie queue to show improvement DOES NOT JUSTIFY THREATS OF BREAKING SITE RULES

You ignored Freedom's Call, a finished game I linked you. Where is the guarantee that you won't ignore all the games in Newbie Queue where I show improvement just as easily?

One game is not a pattern.

Forging ahead in your stubbornness to prove everybody wrong does not earn you the acceptance you clearly hunger for.

My suggestion only that, a suggestion. It would show good will not only towards the individual games, but the community at large, to use the newbie queue for a while to build up a reputation that Yume has indeed become a better player, and you will earn respect for that consideration from your largest detractors.

Obviously I can't force you to do that... that's why it would be an impressive act of humility for you to do so on your own.

[House]

Even I as the moderator of the game ; I have no opinion and won't express any sympathy with eaither side.

seriously why you think you have the right to talk about everything?

this is called the freedom of speech

Apparently, said freedom doesn't extend to me.

are you post restricted?

No, but the moment I say something that someone doesn't like, they scream harassment. I PMed Kuroi saying stuff he didn't like. I was not threatening him in any way or something similar. I just said something he didn't like. He called it harassment.

Did I say you were harassing me?

I didn't.

You brought that ugly accusation against me because I wouldn't just go away.

I have no desire to harass you. I'd like you to prove me wrong.

[House]

if you're going to say "it's okay to refuse correct opinions because the person with the correct opinion has no power to enforce it", this is a ridiculous point of view.

Your idea is not correct! maybe it might be but you have no background to have an opinion on the matter! Its definitely ok to refuse whatever your saying on this matter !

The circumstances behind the threat of rule breaking are irrelevant to the fact it was in EXTREMELY poor taste and without regard for the well-being of the community to make any such remark.

There no excusing or defending it, so please stop trying because it's not pretty.

[House]

I'm not defending anything!

I am the one who messages the listmod about the matter

I am saying someone with no idea what the hell happened has no right to judge it.

Don't worry, I filled Accountant in.

Problem solved. Wasn't that easy?

[House]

I'm not defending anything!

I am the one who messages the listmod about the matter

I am saying someone with no idea what the hell happened has no right to judge it.

Don't worry, I filled Accountant in.

Problem solved. Wasn't that easy?

still neither she , nor you has any right to judge if that was a site role vilation or not. You may hate yume as much as you want! you can't enforce anything so you shouldn't talk like you can!

do that and the rest is ok

Be a dear and quote me acting like I can enforce something.

[House]

Never said you ever tried that

You certainly implied it in your rant towards me. After all, if I'm not doing what you are complaining about, why complain at me?

[House]

even an empty threat would still embody a certain disrespect for the rules

This is whats wrong!

It's true though.

[House]

FA is like that judge on The Good Wife that requires lawyers to end assertions in "in my opinion".

[House]

FA is like that judge on The Good Wife that requires lawyers to end assertions in "in my opinion".

I guess we're getting out of topic and I have no idea what your trying to ask me here

It's a joke.

Great tv show, you should watch it so my snark isn't wasted on you.

[House]

Hey, House. Here's a google form binding you. Select 'yes' and we're good to go

https://docs.google.com/forms/u/0/d/1JW ... gN47r9VoWk

I won't lie, you're adorable.

Signed.

[House]

It's a joke.

Great tv show, you should watch it so my snark isn't wasted on you.

I will add that to my watch list maybe

still didn't understand what you tried to say though

Of course what we're saying is our opinion.

That's implied by the fact we're saying it.

Unless we are leveling threats of consequences, we're not acting like we can enforce. It's just an opinion.

[House]

Hey, House. Here's a google form binding you. Select 'yes' and we're good to go

https://docs.google.com/forms/u/0/d/1JW ... gN47r9VoWk

I won't lie, you're adorable.

Signed.

You choosing other makes your whole suggestion a load of bull. If you were genuine, you would have selected yes.

I did choose yes seconds before other.

I chose Other the second time so I could type my name to show you that I signed it.

Stop being so negative.

[House]

It's a joke.

Great tv show, you should watch it so my snark isn't wasted on you.

I will add that to my watch list maybe

still didn't understand what you tried to say though

Of course what we're saying is our opinion.

That's implied by the fact we're saying it.

Unless we are leveling threats of consequences, we're not acting like we can enforce. It's just an opinion.

I disagree there is acertain level of aggression in your criticizes and a the charisma of a judge in the way you all speaking. saying something is right or worng in your pov is not equal to saying its defintly wrong or definitly right and it must have X, Y , Z punishments forever!

You all have your games for yourself and can enforce these stuff there. you can suggest punishments or enforcements and restrictions but nothing is definite!

And I see none of that, so your point is... ?

[House]

Hey, House. Here's a google form binding you. Select 'yes' and we're good to go

https://docs.google.com/forms/u/0/d/1JW ... gN47r9VoWk

I won't lie, you're adorable.

Signed.

You choosing other makes your whole suggestion a load of bull. If you were genuine, you would have selected yes.

I did choose yes seconds before other.

I chose Other the second time so I could type my name to show you that I signed it.

Stop being so negative.

Says someone who dismissed my arguments without even considering them.

My head is still in traction and I can't be bashing it against walls right now.

Sorry.

[House]

If this is what this community truly thinks of me, why should I even bother? You and Wisdom will not budge even if I posted a hundred game links that show me being reasonable. Wisdom because he himself wasn't in any of those games and you because you are stubborn as hell.

Yume, my remark was just a joke.

I'm sorry that you didn't take it as such.

[House]

I'm in line, Yume, as a sign of good faith I'll lay off.

[House]

Notice how he kept insisting even after I hydra-ed up? Proof that was willing to throw out someone else just to get rid of me.

If you really want to paint me as a bastard, I'll point out how Titus had plenty of slots to join if you had been removed.

[House]

stop insulting each other

this is bannable offenses

Don't be silly, I'm totally a bastard.

[House]

I say this entirely irrelevant to the current discussion, but the newbie queue should be where players should be directed if they need to improve their play, full stop. the entire purpose of newbie games is to teach newbies good habits and provide a space where even if they err in a major way people will be constructive instead of critical about it, but that can be extended even to people who have been on site and played more than 3 (or whatever the SE limit) games.

Those in newbie games have the added bonus of not seeing me because I'm not allowed there anymore lol.

[House]

of course

this

is the first md thread in ages to break 20 pages

Aren't you proud?