EagerSnake's Mini Normal Review

Nexus · Post Post #0 (ISO) » Tue Nov 01, 2016 7:14 am

normalcy and balance

eagerSnake wrote:
N wrote:Subject: Normal Game Queue (Players and Moderators)
That you'll be ready to run your game when you get to the top of the list

How many players your game will have (13 or under for a mini; 14 or over for a large)

Who your backup/co-mod will be, if you have one (compulsory for larges)

What, if any, other modding experience and/or commitments you have
1. I will definitely be ready to run my game.
2. I will have 13 players.
3. My backup/co-mod will be Eggman.
4. None.

Setup:
Mafia: Mafia Roleblocker, Bulletproof Mafioso, Mafioso;
SK: Serial Killer;
Town: Vigilante, Cop, Doctor, Roleblocker, 1-shot Commuter, Townies (x4)

N wrote:Subject: Normal Game Queue (Players and Moderators)
Also, in order to ensure that Normal games stay "normal", we require that setups be evaluated. When it is ready, please forward your full setup to me, including the following:
Your opening posts (rules and flavor, if any). Remember: your opening post
must
contain a copy of your Vanilla Townie role, which will be public knowledge to all game participants

The complete text of all role PMs

Any hidden moderator information (this includes any possible result PMs)
1. Your opening posts (rules and flavor, if any). Remember: your opening post
must
contain a copy of your Vanilla Townie role, which will be public knowledge to all game participants

1 wrote: MINI XXXX

Thank you for playing in my first game! I hope you enjoy it!

Players who are still alive:
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Dead Players:

Quick Links:

Current Deadline:

The Rules
1. All rules from [this post](mafiascum rules) apply here too.
2. Don't directly quote any game-related PMs I've sent you. Paraphrasing is OK.
3. Don't intentionally obfuscate your messages; cryptography, tiny text, and the like are not allowed.
4. Provable randomness, such as dice tags, is banned.
5. Treat your fellow users with respect. As a cool guy on this site once said, "Attack the play, not the player".
6. Don't pretend to be the mod. Green is my color. Please don't use it.
7. Each in-game day will last 14 days and each in-game night will last 2 days.
8. Players that haven't posted with game-advancing content for 48 hours will be prodded. If a player is prodded and doesn't post within 24 hours of the prod, I will look for a replacement for that slot. If a player receives three prods, they will be replaced. If you're in V/LA, you are exempt from the above rules for the duration of your V/LA. You must announce the V/LA either in-thread or in a PM to me.
9. If a player is voted for by a majority (1/2 of the living players, rounded up), they are lynched and removed from the game. After a lynch, all living players may post until the thread is locked: this time is called Twilight.
10. Votes will be counted if they are placed by the vote tag or in bold, and are recognizable as votes. Don't abuse this rule for vote trickery. Examples of these votes:
VOTE: eagerSnake
Vote: eagerSnake
11. If a player wants to end the day without a lynch, they may vote for "No Lynch". If a majority votes for No Lynch, the night will start early. If there is no majority vote by the deadline, no lynch will take place that Day.
12. Every player will have a Role, dictating what they can do during the night, if anything. Here's a sample PM for the role "Vanilla Townie".
<insert VT PM>
13. Players with roles and factional abilities, if any, can only choose one to use each night.
14. If you die, you are allowed one "Bah" post. You may not say anything game-related in it.
15. If you have any questions about these rules, PM me and I'll answer them.
And last but not least, don't forget to have fun!

2. The complete text of all role PMs

2 wrote: -----------------------------
Hello!

You are a Vanilla Townie.

Your powers include your voice and your vote! Use them well.

You win the game when all threats to the Town have been eliminated.

Confirm your role by replying to me with your Role and Alignment.

Good luck!

Game Thread
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Hello!

You are a Town Vigilante.

Each night, you may PM me the name of one player whom you would like to kill.

You win the game when all threats to the Town have been eliminated.

Confirm your role by replying to me with your Role and Alignment.

Good luck!

Game Thread
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Hello!

You are a Town Cop.

Each night, you may PM me the name of one player whom you would like to investigate. You will learn the alignment of that player at the start of the next day.

You win the game when all threats to the Town have been eliminated.

Confirm your role by replying to me with your Role and Alignment.

Good luck!

Game Thread
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Hello!

You are a Town Doctor.

Each night, you may PM me the name of one player whom you would like to protect. That player will be protected from any kill actions that night.

You win the game when all threats to the Town have been eliminated.

Confirm your role by replying to me with your Role and Alignment.

Good luck!

Game Thread
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Hello!

You are a Town Roleblocker.

Each night, you may PM me the name of one player whom you would like to block. That player's actions will be blocked that night.

You win the game when all threats to the Town have been eliminated.

Confirm your role by replying to me with your Role and Alignment.

Good luck!

Game Thread
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Hello!

You are a Town 1-Shot Commuter.

Once during the game, at night, you may PM me that you would like to commute. Players may still target you that night, but nothing will happen.

You win the game when all threats to the Town have been eliminated.

Confirm your role by replying to me with your Role and Alignment.

Good luck!

Game Thread
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Hello!

You are a Serial Killer.

Each night, you may PM me the name of one player whom you would like to kill.

You win the game when you are the in the final two and there are no other killers.

Confirm your role by replying to me with your Role and Alignment.

Good luck!

Game Thread
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Hello!

You are a Mafia Roleblocker.

Each night, you may PM me the name of one player whom you would like to block. That player's actions will be blocked that night. You also have a shared kill with your fellow mafia members, XXXX and XXXX.

You, personally, may not commit both the kill and roleblock in the same night.

You may converse in the pre-game and at night with your mafia members here: Mafia PT

You may also post the kill or role-action choices in the mafia PT, preferably in bold.

You win the game when the mafia outnumbers the town and nothing can prevent you from safely eliminating the rest of the players.

Confirm your role by replying to me with your Role and Alignment.

Good luck!

Game Thread
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Hello!

You are a Bulletproof Mafioso.

You are immune to all kill actions. You can still be lynched. You also have a shared kill with your fellow mafia members, XXXX and XXXX.

You may converse in the pre-game and at night with your mafia members here: Mafia PT

You may also post the kill or role-action choices in the mafia PT, preferably in bold.

You win the game when the mafia outnumbers the town and nothing can prevent you from safely eliminating the rest of the players.

Confirm your role by replying to me with your Role and Alignment.

Good luck!

Game Thread
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Hello!

You are a Mafioso.

You have a shared kill with your fellow mafia members, XXXX and XXXX.

You may converse in the pre-game and at night with your mafia members here: Mafia PT

You may also post the kill or role-action choices in the mafia PT, preferably in bold.

You win the game when the mafia outnumbers the town and nothing can prevent you from safely eliminating the rest of the players.

Confirm your role by replying to me with your Role and Alignment.

Good luck!

Game Thread

3. Any hidden moderator information (this includes any possible result PMs)

3 wrote: If a doctor is blocked, they will receive a "You have been blocked." PM
If a cop is blocked, they will receive a "You have been blocked." PM
If a vigilante is blocked, they will receive a "You have been blocked." PM
If a player is protected by the doctor, and is targeted by more than 1 killer, they will live.
If a 1-shot commuter is blocked the same night they commute, they will still commute. (Commute takes priority)
If a cop investigates a serial killer, they will receive "XXX is a serial killer."
If a cop investigates a mafia member, they will receive "XXX is a mafia member."
If a cop investigates a town member, they will receive "XXX is town."

N wrote:Subject: Normal Game Queue (Players and Moderators)
As soon as they are available, your game will be assigned to a panel of reviewers who will check/discuss your game in a private topic with you. When they are satisfied that your game fits within the boundaries of MafiaScum's definition of Normal, they will let me know. Until I receive that go-ahead from them, your game will not enter the sign-up phase, even if you reach the top of the moderating queue.

Once you've been approved, please post the role distribution in the PT so a co-/backup mod can take over in an emergency.

Let me know if you have any questions. Thanks, and good luck!
Got it, thanks! Please let me know if there is anything else for me.

Nexus · Post Post #1 (ISO) » Tue Nov 01, 2016 7:15 am

I don't like 3 Mafia + Vig + SK, it seems quite a lot of deaths as a risk.

fferyllt · Post Post #2 (ISO) » Tue Nov 01, 2016 7:22 am

It is a lot, though it's balanced against a lot of ways to stop a kill - town doctor, roleblocker, and commuter. And on the mafia side a roleblocker and a bulletproof. There's inherent swinginess to it.

eagerSnake · Post Post #3 (ISO) » Tue Nov 01, 2016 8:25 am

Yeah I thought if I centered the power roles around stopping kills it would make it more balanced. Theres 3 kills: sk, mafia, and vig. And five ways to prevent kills: town doctor, town commuter, town roleblocker, mafia roleblocker and bulletproof mafia.

Cheery Dog · Post Post #4 (ISO) » Tue Nov 01, 2016 8:33 am

Three kills a night is still a lot of possibilities for a mini. The Serial Killer is the worst off with no potential to protect itself.
As SKs generally suck in minis, best to remove it in its entirety and place a Mafia Goon instead.

Lynch thresholds in the rules are incorrectly worded, at the moment if there are door example 8 players left alive, that rule days someone would be lynched upon receiving 4 votes.

eagerSnake · Post Post #5 (ISO) » Tue Nov 01, 2016 9:07 am

Ok, if I remove the serial killer I'll change the BP Mafia to a Mafia Watcher, change the goon to a 1-shot strongman, and add a VT.

Setup:
Mafia: Mafia Roleblocker, Mafia Watcher, Mafia 1-shot Strongman;
Town: Vigilante, Cop, Doctor, Roleblocker, 1-shot Commuter, Townies (x5)

Spoiler: Role PMs

And I changed rule #9 to:
9. If a player is voted for by more than half of the living players they are lynched and removed from the game. After a lynch, all living players may post until the thread is locked: this time is called Twilight.

fferyllt · Post Post #6 (ISO) » Thu Nov 03, 2016 7:57 am

So the vigilante is unlimited shot. That's not something I see all that often in mini games. I think town may have too much kill-neutralizing power, though. Lemme think about it.

fferyllt · Post Post #7 (ISO) » Thu Nov 03, 2016 7:59 am

The ungated cop may be a problem, too. Maybe change the doc to a jailkeeper.

Nexus · Post Post #8 (ISO) » Thu Nov 03, 2016 8:01 am

Or keep the doc and make it a Macho Cop. I like Macho Cops

Cheery Dog · Post Post #9 (ISO) » Thu Nov 03, 2016 3:38 pm

I think Mafia has enough control with their thinngs that the ungated cop is fine as it is, all three of those roles can prevent a follow the cop scenario. If it's not based around innocents, but with the Vig there, the death count should go fast enough that it's unlikely to be a problem as much.

I think it works as it is at the moment.

Nexus · Post Post #10 (ISO) » Mon Nov 07, 2016 11:13 am

ffery, how do you feel about the ungated cop? Will it stop you passing it?

eagerSnake · Post Post #11 (ISO) » Tue Nov 08, 2016 3:23 pm

I'm fine with how it is but open to any changes you think are necessary just want to get this started in time

mykonian · Post Post #12 (ISO) » Sat Nov 19, 2016 4:47 am

That's one high powered setup. Not sure about balance honestly, this could go wrong for scum in multiple ways, but then I suspect they got a little more power than they deserved. Then again, they are going to whine if they lose about the power town got, so you can put it out there that I think scum had the edge. Role pm's look fine as well.

Good luck!

eagerSnake · Post Post #13 (ISO) » Sat Nov 19, 2016 5:10 am

In post 12, mykonian wrote:That's one high powered setup. Not sure about balance honestly, this could go wrong for scum in multiple ways, but then I suspect they got a little more power than they deserved. Then again, they are going to whine if they lose about the power town got, so you can put it out there that I think scum had the edge. Role pm's look fine as well.

Good luck!

I'd say there is variance but it is balanced; it could swing in either direction and swing back depending on how the night actions resolve and how each team plays.

Thanks!

Nexus · Post Post #14 (ISO) » Thu Nov 24, 2016 6:31 am

Cheery Dog, you cool with it as is? I think I am.

Cheery Dog · Post Post #15 (ISO) » Thu Nov 24, 2016 11:56 am

I was last time I posted, still am

Nexus · Post Post #16 (ISO) » Thu Nov 24, 2016 7:24 pm

ok we'll let it go then. Cool BEANS