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I asked you a question about something that bothers me. Seems like part of a game to me honestly.In post 112, Mathdino wrote:how is anything that you've posted useful to the gamestate then
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The game is barely underway so I'm not really having a read on anyone. Sure scum could interact a lot but I'd imagine they're more comfortable in the shadows than here. But that again is also wifom-y which is why I'm slow in forming reads.- The Janitor
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It's certainly possible he'd be more inclined to hide his role but it's not exclusive. But I don't see why town would blurt out their role, either.In post 70, SaskeIsMyYaoiKismesis wrote:okay SO
if BEEFSTER’S flight or fight reactions were TRIGGERED because of Mathdino’s post, wouldn’t he ALSO instinctually HIDE his claim instead of BROADCAST to everyone that he is the scum jailkeeper?
Sure I am not INTIMATELY FAMILIAR with Beefster’s QUIRKS but I assume a BASELINE where people are not SO bad at scum they risk their tean’s chances their FIRST POST just because they though town WANTED them to claim ( ⚆ _ ⚆ )
Is my baseline INACCURATE for Beefster?
also that dosent answer my question -____- - not knowing Beefster does NOT make the reasoning itself invalid ( ̄へ ̄)
@simyk I didn't want to question a NAI thing, I wanted to question something I found weird.- The Janitor
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Questioning you is the first thing that comes up in me and doesn't it provide a discussion and therefore info?In post 123, Mathdino wrote:SIMYK is an alt yeah
so is the janitor
janitor the problem is that you seem more focused right now on tearing down information than building it
the point of early game is to go from low information to high information
i literally provided calculations proving that in this setup, there are people who are more likely to be scum
we have information, both from the draft and from 5 pages of content
but instead of commenting on it you've just questioned reasoning that i made in my first post
which i did specifically to produce more information.
I'd rather tend to the more bigger posts when I get behind a pc. I'm phone posting now. I've skimmed through the thread, there's more to comment on, such as Beef, but this was the first thing that popped up in me... I wasn't ready to TR someone based on an assumption.- The Janitor
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I don't see how its useful as either party... If you're town you have a vague townread (imo) and if you're scum what do you achieveIn post 163, SaskeIsMyYaoiKismesis wrote:But what I mean is asking about MATH-SENSEI'S methodology. You EXPLICITYLY said you were NOT townreading and NOT scumreading it, and only found it WEIRD. Have you made any progress in DECIDING what seems more likely to you? (ʃ⌣́,⌣́ƪ)- The Janitor
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Not simyk but Mathdino and it's based on his post and I didn't see anyone else townread someone after similar reasoning... or I skipped over it.In post 178, Iconeum wrote:Shading SIMYK here, based on using WIFOM. Almost everyone who posted at this time is 'guilty' of this. So why SIMYK?
Because SIMYK was not doing the thing I was asking Mathdino about, SIMYK was just like, the subject of his action if that makes sense.In post 178, Iconeum wrote:'I don't townread SIMYK because WIMOM, but it's for from scummy!' hedging
Nor did I townread her at this point.In post 178, Iconeum wrote:Not having a read? You made it clear you don't townread SIMYK, which is a read per definition.
I explained my reasoning for this, I can't see what scum!Math gains from this all but nor do I see what town!Math does. My thought process and nothing else.In post 178, Iconeum wrote:Same as with SIMYK, hedging Math's actions as 'not necesarilly scummy'.- The Janitor
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Again it's one of the first things that stood out to me. Skimmed over the rest. I found it weird regardless of whether it's post 4 or 400. I'd need to read your further progress in more detail which I'll do but that post stood out to me at first.In post 180, Mathdino wrote:@Janitor: quit the bs
your posts have not been useful and do not demonstrate a town mindset
i have obviously evolved my reads since my literal first post, you're harping on me trying to create information out of what i had available to me at the time
RVS is great and all but it's stupid when you have information available already
also your slot ALWAYS had higher scum equity to me. i picked 2 because i thought scum would pick it.
you picked 2. and i'm townreading iconeum and TW more than you, soooooooOOOOOO...- The Janitor
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Not necessarily at least rn, sure I guess I could try out stuff and see if games go better or worse for me. as for speaking style I guess that one will seep through regardless lmaoIn post 181, Mathdino wrote:wait okay quick thing, janitor
are you purposefully trying to play with a different playstyle/speaking-style from your main? (so you don't get identified)
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This seems townie and I'd agree with all of it except I'd have Neighbor'd people I trusted to possibly discuss stuff in private. And I think scum could pick PGO to kill PRs but I take it you weren't talking to scum here.In post 15, Mathdino wrote:Night 3 Vigilante/Vengeful: people keep crumbing this, stop crumbing. vig/venge someone based on community consensus. i doubt town picked vengeful but if anyone claims vengeful, policy lynch them (this is optimal play)
1-Shot Vigilante OR 1-Shot PGO: vig someone who's either dead weight or is likely to be lynched tomorrow. luckily we have a list of "most likely to be PR" to "least likely to be PR" so just try to hit vanillas imo. doubt anyone ever picks PGO in this setup
Cop OR 1-Shot Redirector: we hypoclaim cop targets tomorrow, remember to actually act like you have an inno
Universal Backup OR Role Cop: role cop is surprisingly not terrible. rolecop people at the top of the list. look for scum picking vengeful, redirector, etc.
Neighborizer OR Fruit Vendor: i sincerely hope no one picked fruit vendor. neighborize talkative hard-to-sorts who won't get NK'd. i used to be a great neighbour but now i just get NK'd so don't neighborize me thanks
Beefster is bottom half of the draw and JK-tracker seems like a relatively strong/popular set to me so it's very well possible that someone else chose there and then scum!Beef wouldn't fakeclaim no.In post 71, Mathdino wrote:i mean if beefster is scum he probably legitimately didn't get the jailkeeper/tracker
i doubt he'd lie about that
@ico I've explained my reasons for not being able to get a solid grasp on what alignment a certain post is coming from, so how do I form a read from that? I'm slower in having reads, I wanna be sure of stuff I'm doing. I'm taking a stance, that stance being "I find this weird, but in itself, it doesn't form a read for me".- The Janitor
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I'm curious now! I figured I could try out some different stuff or playstyles but not rn.In post 193, Mathdino wrote:A50 it's probably not who you think it is?
also i maybe know who janitor is too now? doesn't matter but lol
was trying to figure out if what i was scumreading was alt awkwardness, i.e. trying out a different style and looking horrible/scummy for it
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Was this aimed at me? I wasn't replying to but to Ico.In post 201, the worst wrote:Did I say you're scum? o.0
Eh I have experience with townseeking. No, I didn't like the initial sorting process based on the draft, may that be clear... I'd have more trust in what happens in the game itself. But as far as I know Mathdino's he's pretty okay at setup discussion so that's a difference between us I guess.In post 206, the worst wrote:If you're stating your thoughts clearly and transparently most of your thoughts are either
1) unneccesarily paranoid--i.e. you're probably not experienced particularly with forming townreads?
2) that you don't like much of the progress town is making w sorting
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That's the thing I'm not really certain on reads after less than 12 hrs of a game.
But if you want it
Townleaning to SIMYK and the worst. Very slightly on you based off this type of prodding. Math feels townish due to some stuff I noted above but you know what I thought of his first post and immediate vote on me after a question.- The Janitor
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Aside from being an active participant and thinking along well, it seems, she also acknowledged a bit of a flaw in Math's setup spec despite it resulting in her being townread, and the above quote (directed to me) seems like a townie attitude
In post 173, SaskeIsMyYaoiKismesis wrote:I mean that's the question I want to see YOU solve - my prespective SO FAR is that Mathdino is compiling weak reasons to townread people and then STRENGTHENING or ADJUSTING them with the game's CONTEXT so I think he's town! BUT if you see the vagueness of the read as an interesting point to interact with I think you would be GOING somewhere with it and to me it looks like mostly a dead end (○□○)- The Janitor
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I was gonna do a fancy list but my internet just stopped working. The elevator pitch version of it all is Taly and Aukuka seem town. A50 scumlean. Math somewhat of a scumlean. Duckie seems town too. Yessiree scumlean. SIMYK townlean. All in no particular order, just the order in which the names came up in me- The Janitor
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My meta is basically that I'm really hesitant in voting... it's one of the things I thought of "Hey let's get an alt and see if this works" but I guess I can't put myself to itIn post 613, Ircher wrote:I know The Janitor has reads, and they have been working at catch up... But again, why are you not voting at the present time?
617 is very IIoA and I think activity shouldn't be a reason in itself... Hell, I went out today due to the amazing weather, who knows what others are doing.
Feels good to say I agree with youIn post 630, Mathdino wrote:Lalendra flaking out is not correlated with her alignment guys
635 is very true and it's all fluff which... isn't good.
Awww players are dropping like flies here. I wanted to play with you brass but we'll see each other I suppose!- The Janitor
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Dunno what this was achieving. Confirms the tracker-jk bracket - which seems powerful to me - was used in the top 7 of the draw. If this flips scum could it be protection of the lower half of the playerlist and eventual buddies?
I also don't know in what way Math was rolefishing really
This imo is a weak TR reason. scum!Beef could indicate scum!duck would be the first thing popping up in me. On a second thought it might just as well scum!Beef trying to WIFOM by hoping townplayers think like I thought at first. I'd consider that the more likely option actually.. But as long as Beef (or well, Mylo) is not flipped it's not too big a deal.In post 220, Beefster wrote:the worst is being goofy. He's a lot more serious as scum. Town
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Hmmm interesting in red while others have talked about my posts and called them townish at the least. Don't think I've seen you comment on them. Care to?
Who are those people exactly?In post 803, Mathdino wrote:it's more of a collective representation of the reads of myself and the people i respect
i'm personally townreading lovebird and there's more ausuka paranoia
so get vigged ausuka
Why exactly?
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This is good reasoning and since I doubt Ausuka is scum at this point this seems like a very townie post.In post 831, SaskeIsMyYaoiKismesis wrote: Ausuka-chan's vote is town since if I KNEW I was townie and saw someone writing 587, I would just vote them aswell~
Why would the unofficial town leader argue for a policy vig? Who knows some of his reads may be right.In post 837, Mathdino wrote:OK lovebirds reads are backwards enough that I'd be cool with a policyvig there
Simyk did you see my request for a scum pt fanfic
@Math well SIMYK has certainly been... Nicer to me the past few days.- The Janitor
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Taly to me seems town. Would scum want to hard defend 2 widely scumread people if the scum player in question is not in any hot water?In post 894, Lovebird wrote:
Eddie and taly widely townread?In post 826, SaskeIsMyYaoiKismesis wrote:I would THINK scum shooting someone WIDELY TOWNREAD such as me, eddie-kun, ahiru-tan, taly, or you would be a GOOD indication ╭( ・ㅂ・)و ̑̑ "
Would scum ELECT to avoid shooting someone townie just because there could be a TRACKER? (ʃ⌣́,⌣́ƪ)
pedit: LOOKS like we're in agreement!- The Janitor
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The actual fuck?In post 900, Eddie Cane wrote:Taly is one of the most obnoxious people ive seen lmao what the fuck
It's like that kid who tells the teacher you came in 30 seconds late or rattles on you for shoving Jimmy
Well maybe she isn't and you should re eval your read and/or my posts?In post 925, Mathdino wrote:Hey Eddie Cane we both generally trust simyk
Why is she wrong about the janitor?
Yeah I mean... This. Regardless of alignment this does seem like the 2nd time Taly is respecting different read/playstyles while not being respected back. Please, y'all.In post 928, Taly wrote:...
Playerlist:"Where's Taly?"
Taly:"I'm going to think a bit deeper about this guys!"
Playerlist:"Why? Also, what is wrong with your reads?"
Taly:"I'm explaining this a bit in depth here, can you elaborate on yours?"
Playerlist:"Lol, no. Your opinions are weird, and the reasons you apply mean mean little to us as a whole."
I'm not doing another round of"Ignore. I've got shit to do tomorrow, I'm generally working through a frustrated mental funk, and I'm disliking the gamestate right now.Talywhile he gives unique opinions in the game"
Maybe I am wrong about some of my townreads and scumreads, but I'm not spending another minute here right now to be pissed on.
Goodnight.
Ircher and Taly in this game alone no? And how is asking you to elaborate scummy in any way? What's keeping you from opening up if you have nothing to hide?In post 931, Eddie Cane wrote:
Explain my other reads in depth?WHOdo you know that explains every read they give in depth?.- The Janitor
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I agree about that but it doesn't make them town.In post 935, Mathdino wrote:
While your scumreads are 2 people that should mechanically not be lynched today and 1 person that needs to be alive for vig fodder
I mean try. I'm too stubborn to change my style it seems so I'll just stop the alt business I guess.In post 945, Mathdino wrote:I mean how much of a dick move would it be if I tried to reveal lol
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Yes as does Bird's posting style in his recent posts...
Is D1 really the time to plan out the next 5 daysIn post 989, Mathdino wrote:Lynch Ircher
Vig Ausuka
Lynch Janitor
Lynch Iconeum
Vig Lalendra
Lynch Lovebird
Lynch Myloninja13
I think this wins even without the 6 other power roles
Assumes we have 1shot vig and n3 vig ofc but i rarely see games without them
PRs copclearing questionable slots and making good saves gives us more lynches too
Why lynch Ausuka again?
Perhaps at the end? I'll keep playing on this account for iso/continuity purposesIn post 1022, the worst wrote:GASP DOES THIS MEAN YOU'LL REVEAL WHO YOU ARE??- The Janitor
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Ah right.In post 1035, Mathdino wrote:like honestly i'm just wanting to vig people who lost the draft that are also somewhat suspect
Ausuka didn't you provide a few links while saying you thought this is Irchers scumgame?- The Janitor
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That's wacky. Don't see town motivation in that post if it came after the initial scumresd on Ircher. Scum might want to keep him alive I think?In post 1039, SaskeIsMyYaoiKismesis wrote:She said that and then she later REVISED her read to null/town in 568 (ʃ⌣́,⌣́ƪ)- The Janitor
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I don't necessarily think scum!Ausuka's action connects to Ircher, it's out of Ircher's control.
I'd think a townie motivated post would have more power behind it so to say? After going from a scumread on a semi widely scumread player to seeming to pardon him from the lynch. Right now it mostly seems meta. Dunno if I feel good about that as a reason but I'm also just a bit adverse to meta playIn post 1045, SaskeIsMyYaoiKismesis wrote:If Ausuka-chan were town how do you think she would have went back on her IRCHER read? Σ(-᷅_-᷄๑)- The Janitor
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Dude how are these things ever good?In post 1089, Ircher wrote:Since I'm not part of the townbloc, my opinion doesn't matter. Thus, I should just VOTE: Ircher and let the townbloc coordinate a town win.
Anyway I'd agree with whoever mentioned that Ircher is more active and open than Lalendra at this point. I feel that even if Ircher is scumread then maybe having an active played on d2 can be helpful?
Still no fan of Lovebird...
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I'm no big fan of either but I slightly agree, at least Lal has had some longer posts right now. But as I said I'm not feeling either.In post 1066, Iconeum wrote:No.
Look at Lovebird vs Lalendra. Love is easily more scummy then Lalendra. I know you have trouble pushing other birds, but put that aside for now.
We can make a deal. Help me push Love now, and if by the end of the day nothing comes of it we re-evaluate Lalendra (more content)
All true but do you hold it for possible scum picks it (tries to) just to keep it away from town?In post 1069, Mathdino wrote:right but does it matter
if town doesn't have them and scum makes bad shots, we can just lynch them
we have the leverage here. yeah they can use it as an extra kill, but they either remove people from the lynchpool or put themselves in the lynchpool come massclaim
leashing scum ftw
Lal's wall posts on page 44 seem IIoA to me which meh- The Janitor
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Or having a cop check me and lynching you Day 1?v How does this argument make sense?In post 1088, Ircher wrote:.................................................................................What did you think about letting a cop check me N1 and lynching Janitor D1? (Although, it is not guaranteed we have a cop, but.........................................................)
It ain't impossible... But certain things don't sit well with me. This calls for an ISO read/skim sometime soon.In post 1145, the worst wrote:I think ircher is probs town
Hmmm I've been generating content while I had smaller wagons. Why not push Lalendra/Lovebird the same way? How do you see their activity or content?In post 1152, davesaz wrote:I'll place my vote where it seems to be useful for generating material to read from.
Do you care to explain?In post 1167, Myloninja13 wrote:it's mostly A50's contributions that make me town read that slot.- The Janitor
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So I'm trying to read ISOs and this seemed really townie to meIn post 151, Mathdino wrote:A50 was playing solidly in his scum meta until basically his last wallpost
i'm waffling on A50
i don't like iconeum but i'm very reluctant to go icon today because
- guaranteed PR vs unlikely PR
- A50 putting icon first before janitor is weird to me, and i feel like scum-him sheeps me essentially where he did
need more data basically
It's either town!Math trying to save a PR or scum!Math heavily insinuating an Ico-Math duo.- The Janitor
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Hmm I think my issue with setupspeccing by Mathdino is known by now?
My other concerns are that sometimes there are stretches of posts where he doesnt seem to be hunting but moreso stating stuff and the fact a part of his reactions seem to hinge on the fact Irch/me disagree(d) with setupspec
But he's pretty good as town no? I'm fine if people don't want to lynch him today but I'm just letting my stance be known here.- The Janitor
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Still doesn't make it pro town in any way and I'd agree that it seems scummy to me. Also agree with the below:In post 1324, Ircher wrote:What do scum accomplish from a self-voting? A weak AtE argument. How many times do I have to explain this anyway? I've already done it like twice.
It does seem to create a shitton of wifomIn post 1326, Mathdino wrote:
they gain the ability to call their wagon a policy-wagon and start going on about how self-voting comes from town more often than scumIn post 1324, Ircher wrote:What do scum accomplish from a self-voting? A weak AtE argument. How many times do I have to explain this anyway? I've already done it like twice.
i've lost to scum self-voters don't give me this shit
Wouldn't that be a good thing if she's lynched d1 after all? Sure lynching town is bad but but she's not too active and scum can't push as easily later if she's town?In post 1331, Mathdino wrote:i generally agree with the sentiment that "if lalendra is scum, y'all got lucky"
she happens to be in the PoE pool
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I was gonna reply to Math's post on Lovebird but I mostly agree with what Eddie said. (edit: as did Ausuka but I didn't see that when initially writing this)
The fuck? How does this even make someone conftown? It's not like scum literally can't be lynched D1...In post 1505, Mathdino wrote:PYP X/Y is insanely difficult to get a scumlynch on D1 due to numbers. And when scum IS lynched on D1, it's because of bussing or a hilariously bad scumteam.
That alone should tell you Lovebird is town.
Would I be right in my assessment that scum!Math would like Lovebird alive over Lal? Not that this makes Math scum of course but I have my concerns... and he's really hard defending Lovebird here.
For massive towncred (by your own reasoning among others) if they have 1 or 2 more powerroles in the team. If they do not have those rules it;s probably fair to assume that scum wouldn't want to bus Lalendra.In post 1528, Mathdino wrote:why would scum bus their most powerful PR?
Hmm why exactly is scum!me not voting indicative of Lal/bird being town? When I've called out reasons for both to be scum(my) (I think?)In post 1539, Mathdino wrote:Janitor not using his vote (and likely being scum) heavily implies a double town wagon gamestate.
Barely voting is something I do more often etc etc but idk how important you consider that, and this is an alt anyway.
Math what again are your reasons for scumreading me since the start of the/my game? To me it feels a big part of it is still me disagreeing with setupspec. But I may have overlooked stuff.
1583 seems town to me --> Initiates action, seems like gamesolving/trying to gamesolve, it calls out pocketing simyk which hasn't been really talked about,- The Janitor
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Let's try. Hoping to ignore the little voice in my head saying "hehe you suck and you're wrong anyway" Until further investigation (aka after my math final tomorrow)In post 1601, Taly wrote:Janitor, where is your head at in the game? You haven't placed a vote down and while you have been engaging and forming reads, you've done next to no pushing. Thoughts on the current wagons?
Townread SIMYK Taly
Townlean mutant, duck, Ed
Neutral Mathdino (Ausuka), Ico, Ircher**
Scumlean (Ausuka), dave*, Lalendra, Mylo, Bird
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That's it I guess. SIMYK/Taly solid townreads. Really liked that Eddie post I referenced but idr him being really town to me before but it might come upon a reread. Ausuka had me torn between Neutral/Scumlean. Mylo/Beef is an inact slot so it might also fit into null moreso than neutral if that makes sense.
*dave is mostly based off of me not being a fan of A50 being town and dave not having redeemed that (so far)
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1st paragraph - I'm not very sure yet on either alignment for Ico but fact is, he is a conf!pr. And probably a good one as well. If he's town, he may be roleblocked or killed even I'd think. In conclusion... yeah it's cowardlyness.In post 1615, Mathdino wrote:We can generally accept that Iconeum is probably just scum here though right? And we're just chickens for being unwilling to lynch him because he can produce results for us?
I'm gonna be going through coordinations of draft strategies for scum. If Aster last game is any indication, it seems like scum almost always shoots for the #1 spot with one or two from {1, 2, 3}. Scum's greatest advantage this setup is their coordination. Throwing the #1 spot away just to get Follow the Cop'd later on is shit for scum. Then a lot of scumteams pick a token "large" number with some arbitrary definition of large.
Janitor picking 2 is also a major reason I'm scumreading him. Yeah, it's pre-flip, but the only flips that matter here are {Iconeum-1, the worst-3, Beefster-4, Taly-4}. Of these, Iconeum's flip is all that matters.
Janitor flipping town or scum would give us significantly more draft-based information than Lovebird flipping town. LB scumflip really just clears Ausuka/Eddie Cane/mutantdevle.
3rd paragraph, why is picking 2 scummy? Why is wanting a PR scummy? And what do you mean by the names in brackets?
how does LB flipping scum clear mutant? He didn't pick 6 like bird/suka/Ed. Who do I clear if I flip as any alignment?- The Janitor
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It's ye olde quality vs quantity debate! Lovebird has more posts but Lalendra has like, longer posts... I think both aren't being protown, at the moment. Fact is that Lalendra's odds of being PR are like 75% while its near 0 for Bird. If we gotta lynch and possibly mislynch within these 2, would it be better to get Lovebird?In post 1617, Taly wrote:Janitor, if you scumlean bothLalendraandLovebird, what is your points behind them being scum and who would put a vote on at the moment?- The Janitor
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Hm okay re: that draft analysis by Math.. scum does seem to pick a lot of 1s BUT I don't feel this alone directly makes Iconeum scum; it could have also been an attempt to block scum from a PR, no? How do you distinguish? I'd say it comes down to reads in the end.
Hmm 3 not picked by town is... interesting cough cough.
General idea seems to be 2 low numbers (<= 5) and one higher. Could we assume this is accurate for like 2 of 3 scums this game?
Why does 1!town + 2!town = 11!scum though? If the above is correct you'd assume 11 can be scum anyway. Would 1+2 town make Lalendra, Beef/Mylo, Taly, more suspicious?
pedit: Wait how does town!Eddie = town!Mutant? I'm missing this one? Also by your reasoning town!bird also equals town!Ausuka no?
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