no deadlines mafia [game over]

[Party Boat]

Heyyyyyyyy
VOTE: Xtooxm[/b]

[Party Boat]

disregard my badness

VOTE: Xtoxm

[Party Boat]

Good job. Why are u vote the xtoxm?

his one post here and posts in the neighborhood are very boring and I think they are slightly more likely to be scum than average posts

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boi with these deadlines i assure you we will have time to talk smash while i smash

[Party Boat]

Porkens can be town too.

no

why would you think this

[Party Boat]

That's right charlie, what you want to invest in is a wagon that will increase in VALUE

Wisdom

50

the

VALUE

VOTE: Wisdom

[Party Boat]

Hi I’m here not lurking just V/LA

this self consciousness that it might be interpreted as lurking sort of bothers me

and i v read varsoon outing the neighborhood on the belief that at least one of the people in it is a wolf

i understood it to be less that varsoon thinks at least one person in there is scum and more that if there is, it'd be bad if people interpreted him not outing it as 'varsoon thinks his neighborhood was town/mostly town' or that the theoretical scum member might try to use his silence to their advantage later if he didn't out it

if leo had proceeded to make like just 1-2 posts after saying it would maybe bother me too but him actively participating while V/LA is pretty decent, even if they're not particularly useful content atm

@xyzzy

- i'm voting Wisdom

[Party Boat]

hyi

will sheep Nancy/ hebichan (not on that Wisdom vote tho)
And most likely spending this day taking a cat nap if I'm being honest

VOTE: Jaylow

How about here?

i like it personally

VOTE: jaylow

[Party Boat]

why is a 1 poster being wagoned

can you two talk about your votes there

I was just gonna say GUT but you should prob read what nancy wrote about the post instead

sure it's just one post but also it's the worst post in the game so far

dis me

[Party Boat]

Leo this will help us sort you

Tell us you top 3 scum suspects and why you think those people might be scum

If you can’t think of 3 - please come up with a good reason for the 1 or 2 people you do find scummy

yo leo-potato do this please

[Party Boat]

there's an immensely overwhelming amount of support for this wagon which actually concerns me by quite a significant amount

wagon support/non-support/speed/etc are all godamn terrible things to base anything off of in most instances, and even more so in d1 in a large game

go off play my sheepy bae

[Party Boat]

Hey Vax, what do you have to say about your wagon actually being a higher value than mine(according to wagonomics)?
P-edit:
1: Hebichan; in the span of two or three posts, goes from suspecting a one poster to sheeping the person that said they would sheep her, nice one.
2. Varsoon what are you even doing? I can’t understand why your role would just be the ability to speak about Mario without the entire mafiascum community knowing.

Ok thanks stop ninjaing me now
P-edit: why are there more ninjas?!?

Hey I’m the most voted player now! V/LA over the weekend, bye!

[Party Boat]

ugh

anyone wanna claim competing jester or some wacky garbage that explains what leo is doing

b/c it sure looks like deliberately playing to get lynched at this point but I'll still kill it unless someone has a better option given how torturous dealing a jester in a no deadlines game would be

[Party Boat]

Less thinking more voting.

no

i will take my sweet ass time

[Party Boat]

my sensors have finished calibrating and determined that the game is going too slow to not vote someone who i think is likely either jester or scum

VOTE: leodanny

for the record xtomx leo and Jay are all pretty fantastic votes at the moment imo

if i had an order preference it'd prob be like jay->leo->xtomx but tbf to him xtomx is being non-existent in the neighborhood too which is v. disappointing but prob doesn't make him much more likely scum than his thread posts on their own

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I kinda feel like Varsooon fits the scum wagon therefore it stalled theory quite well

im not voting him and not bothering with whatever suspicions people have of him early on b/c I don't think he's scum

stalling/fast wagons have so little to fucking do with anything when literally half the game has about 10 posts or less

and also people way, way overestimate the amount of actual pull scum have on wagons considering there are again literally 23-24 people in the game all with different thoughts from each other on who's scummy and way and etc etc etc etc etc

[Party Boat]

Leo this will help us sort you

Tell us you top 3 scum suspects and why you think those people might be scum

If you can’t think of 3 - please come up with a good reason for the 1 or 2 people you do find scummy

yo leo-potato do this please

Leodanny do this

it is important if you want to not die

[Party Boat]

Leo this will help us sort you

Tell us you top 3 scum suspects and why you think those people might be scum

If you can’t think of 3 - please come up with a good reason for the 1 or 2 people you do find scummy

yo leo-potato do this please

Leodanny do this

it is important if you want to not die

Dude I already did this

no you didn't I'm pretty sure

please list three people who particularly think are scummy or a person or two with reasons

[Party Boat]

Yeah jailkeeper can be town or scum

leodanny give three reads please I still want to know what you're actually thinking reads-wise

[Party Boat]

Leo's still a fine vote, I wouldn't mind hearing reads from Jaylow and Theta and some others too though.

singleton I think is town after rereading a bit

[Party Boat]

It would also be borderline criminal to continue on without an updated wagonomics forecast

gotta have all that market info

[Party Boat]

Isn’t town implied?

Why do you see one “hell no” as overreacting?

Why can’t it be both a sheep and OMGUS?

Because he asked you for reads. Why would you react so strongly to that?

It could be but you still haven’t given a reason for it but it’s your refusal to give reads, is the more concerning part of it. Why would you be opposed to that?

My word choice really needs to be better.
Anyway, what I meant was I didn’t have three reads, I have too many townreads. Not that I wouldn’t give him my reads.

if you don't wanna die you gotta get me something man

like of everyone in the game if you HAAAAAAD to bet on one person being scum who would it be and why

[Party Boat]

mmk

why do you trust Ausuka and TheBrie? Do you think they've done things that looked particularly town or do you have previous experience playing with them?

[Party Boat]

Ya I'm pretty sure I'm still gonna want Leo dead once everyone's popped in to post this week

Saying part of his reason for voting gemerald is trusting thebrie and ausuka while not giving any reason why he trusts either of them just feels like empty filler to try to make his vote look better

Like all his posts are just so devoid of anything that feels like genuine scumhunting

[Party Boat]

Ya I'm pretty sure I'm still gonna want Leo dead once everyone's popped in to post this week

What does people popping in have to do with anything?

I personally just want everyone to have a few opinions before a lynch goes through, especially on whether or not they think the leading wagons are good/bad/etc. And also Jaylow's only post is still real bad and I want to see more posts from them and see if it continues to be real bad

Like all his posts are just so devoid of anything that feels like genuine scumhunting

Who needs to look like they're scumhunting more? Town or scum?

I'm not particularly inspired by your posting this game.

I mean Leo's clearly trying to look like he's doing something in-game, even if it's not scumhunting

He's not OMGLOCKSCUM5EVER but if I could get a lynch on someone as equivalently scummy as I think he's being in every game day 1 I would be very happy with it. He seems like he's talking past all the people who actually want to talk with him and it feels profoundly weird and the best explanation for it that I have is that he's just scum.

as for inspiring i joined a no deadlines game with an account named Party Boat
I can find some sweet jams for you if you're interested but aside from that I am very content with how much effort I'm putting into the game at the moment despite the fact that I'm probably shrugging off half+ the playerlist as "fine for now"

[Party Boat]

Ok yeah the way the speed of the Leo wagon is definitely giving me bad vibes

it's got 5 people out of 24 players in the game on it at the moment

if you think someone on it is scum pushing it then say so but the 'speed of the wagon' being spooky is still dumb as hell

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of the people currently being wagoned that aren't leo Jay I would clearly lynch, vax maybe isn't a terrible vote but I don't want to put out a FIRM READ on him yet

I don't particularly like TheBrie's post about Jaylow being terrible but still clearly signaling that she isn't going to help pressure Jaylow into doing anything for a while. Like I get why she might feel that way but it feels like she's giving Jay too many little excuses and exceptions than necessary and she's probably who I'd look at hardest if Jaylow flipped scum later.

of people who I forgot were in the game and then checked their iso 0verki11 looks a little town to me and several other players are technically in the game

I'm kind of expecting absolutely nothing meaningful to happen in-game for like the next week+ given christmas and Leo's wagon falling apart so I might just lurk for a while and let everyone catch up on the game.

[Party Boat]

hi i'm alive.

starting to agree with people who say faster days are better. I haven't seen any questions but if there are any please remind me because I totally missed them sorry.

Leo isn't all that towny rn but at the same time he claimed JK and like if that's true lynching him is mega bad and also scum would sort him out later so idrk

How do you feel about Leo's post saying he trusts you and someone else as part of his reason to vote Gemerald? Also do you feel particularly strongly about Gemerald being scum? Gemerald just seems like they're playin' the game with the personality they've got and hasn't done much to indicate their alignment one way or the other in my opinion.

[Party Boat]

Yeah, I said that.

Yeah, I find that highly suspicious for both an entrance post and an only post but no one wants to lynch there because of that.

i mean Iiiiiiii'd still lynch it

VOTE: Jaylow

[Party Boat]

hey sheep can you remind me why you scumread varsoon earlygame

b/c you have a lot of posts and id appreciate a summary instead of making me reread all of it

[Party Boat]

so like sheep

varsoon clarified in the neighborhood and I'm 99% sure in here that he didn't really scumread anyone in the neighborhood already, he just wanted to out the neighborhood just in case there was a scum in the neighborhood

and then all I see after that is that he had a lot of mechanics talk early without much else when it was like still in the first 10 pages so of course there isn't much real shit to talk about

laziness sure i guess is true for him but is true of me as well I feel and like more than half the thread so what makes varsoon special in that regard

I guess I just don't see anything worth tunnelling varsoon over even though you still seem to want him dead a lot

(ps b/c I saw that too somewhere wagons 'appearing and dissappearing quickly' in a 24 player game is still a dumb reason for arguing literally anything and i will fight every player in this game about it)

[Party Boat]

(ps b/c I saw that too somewhere wagons 'appearing and dissappearing quickly' in a 24 player game is still a dumb reason for arguing literally anything and i will fight every player in this game about it)

can you explain this more

because i wouldnt be as concerned if a 4 or 5 man wagon suddenly disappeared

there are 24 people in the game

if it's mostly one scumteam, it's maybe 6-7 players on it at the utmost maximum plus maybe like a serial killer or two and more likely 5-6, and given the amount of people lurking and not voting there are mayyybe 4 active groupscum in that scenario. Unless you think that the majority of a scumteam thinks it's worth it to all move together on early wagons that will likely either fall apart or make them look bad later, the vast majority of ANY wagon and most wagon 'momentum' in this game will be composed of town players doing things because they feel like it.

If there are multiple scumteams, then it's even worse for analyzing things because the scumteams are going to want to lynch each other and not look like shit while on lynch wagons, AND even if some scum just want to play to not get lynched themselves them wagoning someone else doesn't have any bearing on the wagoned person's actual alignment because the wagon'd could just be on another scumteam

add that to all the town players having 15 or 18 or however many different perspectives on what's scummy and how fast they want to lynch people and what's worth/not worth lynching and basing literally fucking anything on wagon speed instead of the play of the actual individual players on the wagon is about as worthwhile as scumreading through tarot cards. If you think that individual players on the wagon are scummy then that can be legit but then SAY that instead of using wagon speed as a reason for literally anything.

[Party Boat]

(ps b/c I saw that too somewhere wagons 'appearing and dissappearing quickly' in a 24 player game is still a dumb reason for arguing literally anything and i will fight every player in this game about it)

can you explain this more

because i wouldnt be as concerned if a 4 or 5 man wagon suddenly disappeared

also is this talking about varsoon's wagon disappearing?

because it literally was only 4 people by my count (profii you kokichi and jaylow)

can you double check to make sure you didn't hallucinate some more people on the wagon accidentally and then just go off of that for a while because there was a lot of talk about it but not very many people actually voting him

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i'll take another reason to lynch leodanny sure
VOTE: Leodanny

[Party Boat]

liiight what happened to you saying you'd do things before the lynch happened

saying that and then you saying you read two pages after night ended feels baaaaad

[Party Boat]

i'd be pretty fine with a kokichi or gemerald wagon at the moment

theta's pretty likely to be town

singleton is still town

vonflare and especially jaylow need to do some posts after christmas

that's it for me for a while, prob cya after tomorrow

[Party Boat]

i like

lost half of my motivation to play after that leo flip though

so go do a christmas

everything'll be fine we just need to wait for everyone to show up and play the game

[Party Boat]

meh

VOTE: Jaylow

it's kind of a lazy vote but i can be less lazy when jaylow and kokichi and gemerald have real reads for me to look at

most of the people actively posting look at least a little town to me excepting the people I've already mentioned and TheBrie. light's megapost isn't tears-of-joy good but like it's good enough to probably leave her alone for a while at least

[Party Boat]

Gemerald it seems like it's gonna be real hard for you to get a theta lynch when most of the game seeks to be scumreading you and not him

Do you have a read on anyone else in the game you'd like to share

[Party Boat]

damn that wagonomics post sure feels town

actually just have a list of people who are town as of recently:
trekkie (tho overkill was secretly still likely town earlier), wagonomics, purrcocet

Gemerald's recent posts feel okay to me. I still would love a couple more reads from him though

vonflare also feels slightly town with his recent posts

dats it

[Party Boat]

I got proded.
The votes on me are awful.
Cool.

give reeeads please

[Party Boat]

Those arrrre reads

literally no-one in the game cares about you whining about you thinking votes on you are bad of which there are a grand total of 3

unless you think that is the/an entire scumteam voting you for a more retarded reason than I can even think of, who outside of that do you think is scum

[Party Boat]

uuugh it feels like there's six-seven people trying to play a 20 player game

friends please come in and do things

I'm frankly pretty fine not lynching either of Gemerald or Kokichi over a lurker atm, esp. Jaylow (and I feel that wagonomics is pretty town and from his lurkercoin list Edo also feels like a fine choice)

[Party Boat]

not gonna help lynch kokichi today but any take-backsies bullshit will be punished by death tomorrow and it'll be fine

either there are 3-4 other scum to go for today even if kokichi is scum bullshitting for an extra day with just one scumteam, or everything will be comedy forever if there's two scumteams and I'm perfectly fine with either of those options

[Party Boat]

tbh I feel Xtomx just coming in and saying something most people disagree with and then leaving again is townier than what varsoon's doing atm

a lot of it is b/c I have way higher expectations for varsoon than the borderline nothing he's done this game since early d1 but like I very much expected varsoon to actually have shit to say about the game by this point

[Party Boat]

varsoon has given 0 reason for his lazy!tunnel on me which he's had all game and it's disgusting

I kinda agree at this point

i do feel that xtomx is town atm

[Party Boat]

people i'd be very happy to lynch: varsoon, jaylow

people I will not lynch today: kokichi, theta, singleton, trekkie, wagonomics, purrcocet

give me a reason to care about wagoning them or I'll continue ignoring votes on them for the next 2 weeks: everyone else

[Party Boat]

the fact that profili's scumlist was
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theta
varsoon
Jaylow
leodanny
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makes me even more content with lynching one of varsoon/jaylow

[Party Boat]

people i'd be very happy to lynch: varsoon, jaylow

people I will not lynch today: kokichi, theta, singleton, trekkie, wagonomics, purrcocet

give me a reason to care about wagoning them

or I'll continue ignoring votes on them for the next 2 weeks: everyone else

why is not gamma there

give me a reason to care about wagoning them

or I'll continue ignoring votes on them for the next 2 weeks: everyone else

[Party Boat]

That's cool; I want a lynch that'll yield scum. That's why I'm voting there.
If you want to play the lazy card, there's a good 10+ players in this game doing jack shit.

there are still like 20 people in the game with a probably fairly large amount of scum in there assuming multiball

you're ignoring basically everyone else in the game as possible lynches today and I hate it a lot.

[Party Boat]

That's cool; I want a lynch that'll yield scum. That's why I'm voting there.
If you want to play the lazy card, there's a good 10+ players in this game doing jack shit.

there are still like 20 people in the game with a probably fairly large amount of scum in there assuming multiball

you're ignoring basically everyone else in the game as possible lynches today and I hate it a lot.

Das wild it's like I can only lynch one person at a time who knew

who in the fuck is going to vote sheep with you that isn't already

your vote is literally useless, you refuse to do anything else and you're playing like trash atm

[Party Boat]

@Party Boat: Wow, that's really mean
What did I do that struck such a nerve?
Are you guys buddies?

answer the question or do something that actually requires you to put effort into the game

who do you think would vote sheep that isn't already

because I frankly don't think it's going to happen, I'm not interested in it myself, and you doing literally nothing but tunneling on sheep a)makes the game worse b)gives sheep a stronger case against you and c)if you are scum let's you get away with giving absolutely no reads on anyone else in the game

it seems PRETTY BAD to me varsoon

@xtomx- I literally can't remember a single scumread varsoon has had the entire game that isn't sheep. he was the hammer vote on leo. if you can remember any other scumreads he has had feel free to point them out

[Party Boat]

varsoon, if you're actually a cop with a guilty on sheep claim it loud and proud now. because I really feel like you're full of shit here

[Party Boat]

Yeah, it really, really sticks out.
It also conf-biases the shit out of me because now I'm of the mind
1. If Sheep is scum this is a hard defend by Partyboat
2. If sheep is town, this is hard posturing to push my lynch through after and look good re: my flip.

so varsoon why would you say this literally minutes ago if you have a guilty on sheep

[Party Boat]

i still think that xtomx is just...bad. i wouldn't bet the farm on it but eh.

and for trekkie I still think singleton is town too

Was trying to play without claiming to see how people'd respond and interact naturally
Needless to say, your play aaaaint great here, PartyB.

I've given enough reads that I strongly feel that the people actually trying to play the game will be able to read me

If wanted to see how people reacted to it then what else did you get from it aside from me?

B/c if this is how today is going down I can maybe be convinced that you're a cop with a guilty on sheep or at least that it's the right play to lynch him even if I don't believe you since it's a 1v1 but it's not happening without an actual readslist from you first

[Party Boat]

Nah, fuck all ya'll
Looking gift-Varsoon in the mouth

Do the work for me papa varsoon
pleeease

Stop being so damn weak.

Fucking christ varsoon

I am going to put this as plainly as I can.

I don't believe your cop claim at the moment. I'm town, whether or not you believe that or give a shit, and it would help your case a lot if you calm down and explain what your thought process has been throughout the day.

If you don't do that and continue just throwing shade at me or anyone else who doesn't believe you, I'm just going to vote you and push for other people to vote you as well. In my opinion you get hotheaded too often but you are a pretty good player, so I think you're very capable of doing this and actually explaining what you did today, why, and what thoughts you've had about the game today that you haven't shared yet.

[Party Boat]

Nah, fuck all ya'll
Looking gift-Varsoon in the mouth

Do the work for me papa varsoon
pleeease

Stop being so damn weak.

Fucking christ varsoon

I am going to put this as plainly as I can.

I don't believe your cop claim at the moment. I'm town, whether or not you believe that or give a shit, and it would help your case a lot if you calm down and explain what your thought process has been throughout the day.

If you don't do that and continue just throwing shade at me or anyone else who doesn't believe you, I'm just going to vote you and push for other people to vote you as well. In my opinion you get hotheaded too often but you are a pretty good player, so I think you're very capable of doing this and actually explaining what you did today, why, and what thoughts you've had about the game today that you haven't shared yet.

I already explained my thought process and my thoughts coming out of it.
Thanks for sowing reasonable doubt though.

VOTE: Varsoon

if you want me to unvote these are the questions i want answered
-Why did you vote Kokichi at all when you had a cop guilty on sheep
-What's your full rolename and what exactly is the result you got on sheep (mafia, werewolf, whatever)
-Why did you care about singleton's case on Gamma Emerald and seem to be willing to consider lynching there over pushing for your guilty to be lynched
-Who are you townreading and why

[Party Boat]

@Vax- If I get outvoted because enough people disagree with me and think it's worth lynching sheep solely on varsoon's claim then I can deal with that

But not pushing for varsoon to actually answer these when I think he's full of shit and gambiting as scum hoping to hit another scum in multiball with a guilty pulled out of his ass would make me a lazy piece of shit who isn't trying as hard as I can to actually lynch scum and win the game.

[Party Boat]

Wanted interactions with Kokichi, wanted to see how Xtox would respond to me blatantly sheeping him.
Town Cop. Result is 'Not Town'.

are you 100% sure about this

[Party Boat]

Wanted interactions with Kokichi, wanted to see how Xtox would respond to me blatantly sheeping him.
Town Cop. Result is 'Not Town'.

are you 100% sure about this

@Party: Short of directly quoting my role PM and result, yeah.

@Gamma: You're particularly awful, y'know?

Oh, yeah, I'm also a Town Neighbor, too.

um yeah

why does your rolename not town neighbor cop or town cop & neighbor or something like that

[Party Boat]

@Party: 'cus I'm not directly quoting it?

ask xyzzy just to make sure

and then say your full rolename once he gets back to you

we both know that rolenames have been fine to say exactly for basically all of mafiascum's existence

[Party Boat]

look at how fucking surprised i am

oh is it none

yeah it's none

[Party Boat]

Instead, look at how people responded and come to some fruitful conclusions.

xtomx looks much worse if you're actually town

vax looks slightly worse regardless of your alignment

I still would like to lynch one of you and jaylow today and you fakeclaiming a cop guilty sure pushes the scale pretty hard in your direction

like lulzy mason claims when we're neighbors I was legit fine with but fakeclaiming cop guilties when you're under pressure is a whole different ballgame of needing death

[Party Boat]

vax looks slightly worse regardless of your alignment

Whys that?

i may be biased but there are plenty of things in varsoon's iso that at least suggested his cop claim might be fake and ignoring them and suggesting we follow the sketchy looking cop is more likely to come from someone on a scumteam that is perfectly happy with going along for that ride

[Party Boat]

@vax- i'm less well read and more the type to scramble through chapters on an open-book test when I'm not sure of an answer

tbf you prob aren't paying enough attention regardless of your alignment atm to place varsoon's cop claim as sketchy/not-sketchy immediately, but pushing to follow a cop claim that at first glance to scum would likely involve a 2nd scumteam in some way is about as safe and cozy as scum could ask for

[Party Boat]

I have another thing or two to say about the whole dumb situation that just happened but I'd also very much like the lurkers to come out and play too so ima chill for a day or two and then say it so if they have any reads/insight they want to share I don't crowd them out too bad

[Party Boat]

Tbh I don’t wanna oppose my wagon rn because I feel like it’s between me/Varsoon rn and I don’t want Varsoon lynched rn, but the wagon on me is also incredibly lazy

sounds like what someone too lazy to bother pushing another wagon would say

why are you voting sheep over anyone else (not counting theta) anyway?

[Party Boat]

Because I’m not really the biggest fan of his reaction to the claim
Also out of the options with momentum it’s the one I feel best about

i thought sheep's reaction to varsoon's claim on him was pretty alignment-null until sheep claimed vanilla and said he was fine getting lynched since it would mean varsoon/xtomx would get lynched after and that looked moderately town

what are your specific thoughts on it?

[Party Boat]

Flavors posting has been fine so far but I don't see anything that couldn't come from scum just genuinely looking for another scumteam

I can elaborate on this later if anyone wants but I really really dislike varsoon trying to excuse his earlier lurking/bad play with the cop claim when he was claiming it, and considering how adamant he seemed about sheep being scum and that his reason for claiming it was 'proving me wrong' about people being willing to vote sheep I really don't see why sheep claiming vanilla would give varsoon a town read on him - I think it's more likely that varsoon originally thought sheep was probable other scumteam and the unvote after the unclaim was just to try to stay alive when his claim started to fall apart.

[Party Boat]

Flavors posting has been fine so far but I don't see anything that couldn't come from scum just genuinely looking for another scumteam

I can elaborate on this later if anyone wants but I really really dislike varsoon trying to excuse his earlier lurking/bad play with the cop claim when he was claiming it, and considering how adamant he seemed about sheep being scum and that his reason for claiming it was 'proving me wrong' about people being willing to vote sheep I really don't see why sheep claiming vanilla would give varsoon a town read on him - I think it's more likely that varsoon originally thought sheep was probable other scumteam and the unvote after the unclaim was just to try to stay alive when his claim started to fall apart.

actually i have one more thing I want to add to this

Most of the Varsoon/Gemerald conversation right as varsoon replaced out I think WAS genuine on varsoon's part but was also based on shit that is not relevant to varsoon's alignment (varsoon being genuinely upset about gemerald's 'as a person you're worse than me' comment)

Like the only reason I think could be legit to read varsoon as town for replacing out there is just: it would be shitty of varsoon to botch a fakeclaim as scum and then dump it on a replacement.
But I also think regardless of his alignment that varsoon has both not really been into this game and didn't want to deal with Gemerald negatively, and I kind of doubt he'd take this into serious consideration compared to those first two things but he also could have thought as scum that he was almost certainly going to get lynched for fakeclaiming and botching it if he stayed in the game but there'd be a reasonable chance of a replacement turning things around for his playerslot/team.

[Party Boat]

secretly there are reasons why i basically never get lynched as town

they are mysterious and unknowable

[Party Boat]

@Mod

- can you prod Theta and light_ganski please? They haven't posted in 4 days

[Party Boat]

@Nancy - I flat out stated that if Sheep is town he needs to reconsider, and yes, sheep can fake that kind of outrage as scum.

Quit hatcheting me, Nancy.

what does hatcheting mean for you? b/c like my assumption of something like 'mercilessly attacking you' is really not what she's doing considering that most of her posts have just been her disagreeing with you about sheep

[Party Boat]

The more I think about it, Party’s becoming like near Lock town for me.

Is your main outed, Party?

yeah you know it from the neighborhood chat and I've already misposted from it once this game

[Party Boat]

yeah I'd guess you can't direct quote but it's not specifically in the ruleset that I see

a paraphrased summary of most of the last page of the neighborhood was Flavor telling me to find another scumread or I'd wind up with people suspicious of me later today, him asking xtomx to just say that varsoon claimed hybrid jester/lyncher from the beginning (which does sound like a dumb joke to me but it still sure is a garbage claim and idea), xtomx having a few reads, xtomx and flavor talking about wanting to lynch sheep, and flavor saying that if there's scum in the neighborhood its nancy and that he can tell that nancy knows he's town.

[Party Boat]

the conclusion here is clearly i am the best at facts

and that nancy maybe you should specify/quote what you think xtomx is actually lying about in the neighborhood with xtomx so you can communicate about it instead of talking past each other

i might make like a readslist later after I read over all the stuff flavor said in thread over the weekend and comment about that, i'm prob not going to bother pushing anyone for a while tho considering that it seems borderline impossible to lynch scum until we get some of the 4 non-voters who are being replaced actually back into the game

or we could have a 5th needed replacement sure why not

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@nancy - i mean xtomx said that what flavor said to you is already in the main thread, which for the 'hatcheting' thing is true

@vax- i do
there are no deadlines and people aren't interested enough in the game to stick it out when lynches are going to take a month+ to happen
you can say that they shouldn't have signed up when they can't even bother to read like 3 pages a day to catch up which is true but most people just don't put in the effort to push the game forwards themselves instead of just lurking or leaving when other people don't do it either

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@Nancy - I flat out stated that if Sheep is town he needs to reconsider, and yes, sheep can fake that kind of outrage as scum.

Quit hatcheting me, Nancy.

what does hatcheting mean for you? b/c like my assumption of something like 'mercilessly attacking you' is really not what she's doing considering that most of her posts have just been her disagreeing with you about sheep

I made it up in this game that finished recently, which turned out to be exactly what Scum AP was doing.

https://forum.mafiascum.net/.php?p=10624066#p10624066


Basically, you know how chainsawing is when scum partner attacks the townie that’s pushing the partner?

It’s when someone is actively subtly discrediting, but not pushing the player that’s pushing a scum person.

Nancy is clearly hatcheting me, chopping away at my credibility by pushing her own self credibility, and protecting Sheep in its own right due to directly chopping at me

I hardcore disagree with everything Nancy has been saying.

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I feel that this whole neighbourhood mechanic, puts me in an extremely uncomfortable position.

you can just choose to not read it ya know

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This is not my scum game. I wouldn’t have this wagon on me as scum.

you replaced into a slot who fakeclaimed cop and fucked it up immediately before you replaced in

this argument is retarded

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I'd recommend the start of today (page 35) as a good starting point I guess? Day 1 to me felt mostly like a varsoon wagon popping up for varsoon claiming a 4-person neighborhood in a weird way followed by several people including myself being suspicious of Leodanny, him claiming jailkeeper, and then theta counterclaiming jailkeeper after Leo's wagon started fading, leading into Leo getting lynched.

I'm voting Flavor b/c he replaced varsoon who I felt did nothing and refused to show any reads aside from scumreading sheep, then claimed a cop guilty on sheep while blaming some of his lurking/bad play on being a cop, and then unclaimed cop after his claim started to fall apart under pressure.

Varsoon basically immediately after replaced out after Gamma Emerald had a kinda dickish comment about being a better person than he was. (which I don't think is alignment relevant but you decide I guess)

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i would grr at you but my fury and vengeance is reserved for sheep who has now cheated death for like the 62nd time
and im pretty sure u replaced a town

why on earth would you think that two post player was town
like now that the slot is replaced he'll finally be legit readable and i'm v. happy with that but townreading jaylow is very silly

p-edit: that goes for you too flavor

@purr: is you thinking sheeps been cheating death only referring to this game? Like I feel like sheep's been between fine and quite good in his posting basically the entire game

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I do think Xtomx looks moderately better from my point of view than the rest of the game's

Like the complete lockstep with varsoon (and a little w/ flavor before xtomx asked for replacement) is feels a little unwarranted but he does have a few more reads & comments in the neighborhood that make me think he's more likely town than not

plus i think I think part of the reason why he latched onto varsoon is just because xtomx likes varsoon as a player so i could def. see that coming from town

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@Jingle- why do you read Wisdom & TheBrie as town?

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i would grr at you but my fury and vengeance is reserved for sheep who has now cheated death for like the 62nd time
and im pretty sure u replaced a town

why on earth would you think that two post player was town
like now that the slot is replaced he'll finally be legit readable and i'm v. happy with that but townreading jaylow is very silly

why would u think he was scum
he had a intro post and a "im gonna post" post and people were voting him

His intro post just felt really overdramatic

seemed very newbscum trying to look like they were playing the game and REALLY READING PEOPLE just like the townz are supposed to do

baaaaad

eheheh

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I get why people are willing to let Flavor continue living for now and given that trekkie at least is a town read of mine I can deal with it at least until we finish getting replacements in I guess

For the record I think that boon/Flavor would throw out about the same amount of AtE and and self-meta and a lot of the kind of minor manipulation I think he's doing with pushing people away from his wagon as either alignment b/c it works and he can get away with it and I think that people are letting it slide too easy at the moment given that his predecessor fakeclaimed a godamn cop guilty but I do get it

I very much dislike Brie's last two posts and looking back and looking back some of her earlier stuff felt more posturey than scumhunty and wagonomics is prob town and also has a gutscum read on her so she can be my next filler vote while nobody gets lynched for another 2 weeks

VOTE: TheBrie

also does anyone want to reread things and post about it with me like over the weekend
b/c I'm aware that I'm currently being lazier than I should be about rereading but I am also tired now but very capable of doing things either sat. night or sunday early afternoon

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Yeah, it was obviously fake. Why was it scum?

because town-varsoon in my experience has actual thought behind what he does and this felt like faking something for the sake of faking it with absolutely no explanation of the vote-switch after sheep claimed vanilla

Like varsoon tunnelled RC in my last game with him when I was scum (https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=54&t=77242), but he townread shoshin throughout it even when shoshin scumread varsoon for basically the entire time varsoon was in it and vocalized that

he made legit arguments for wanting RC dead instead of relying on a retarded cop-claim gambit (and using a claim to excuse bad play like he tried when he was claiming cop I still think is VERY indicative of scum) when people disagreed with him

he was willing to vote and discuss other players possibly being scum instead of tunnelling on just one, despite that game being 13 players and much less likely to be multiball thanthis one

some of it is mitigated by this game being slower and happening over christmas and varsoon's lack of interest in the game

but varsoon town is substantially just fucking better than the play he showed here before he replaced out

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if kokichi isn't literally confirmed town tomorrow I will help lynch him

until then plz vote someone else

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I have no idea how many vote are on me so I’ll just claim.
I’m a roleblocker. THAT is why I’d been pushing Theta: I GREATLY doubt there’s 2 Jailkeepers and a roleblocker all town in this game.
So now could we wagon actual fucking scum?

So does the fact that this post is hilariously similar to thetas calling out Leo not give you any pause at all?

Also I was sick yesterday but I'm actually gonna play the game a bit when I get home in half an hour *wow* *shock* *awe*

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let's start with this

BOAT READS (not in order inside their categories)

town
trekkie
Purrcocet
singletonking
Xtomx
Wagonomics (post more tho plz)
Theta

I literally refuse to care until tomorrow for obvious reasons stop voting them for ONE day FUCK
kokichi

I have wanted to lynch these two for this entire like month and a half long day yes I still think they're scum
Saudade
Flavor Leaf

ALL of these people get words about them shortly and

are at various points of the town-scum scale.

actually let's just do my impressions for now I guess
leaning town
sheep
Nancy?
light_ganski kind of maybe I'm rereading her today so I'll figure out if she stays here or not I guess

leaning scum
TheBrie
Ausuka

I can't remember if you've made a post that leans moderately town or scum in the past month
wisdom
vonflare

we've needed a replacement for like 2-4 weeks now and it makes me sad
hebichan
theta even though he's on the townlist too

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okay two things first: a disclaimer that I'm not rereading all the early shit regarding varsoon and everyone else arguing with him about outing the neighborhood and my opinion on sheep

the disclaimer - you can just skip this if you want it's more just my train of thought than actually relevant info

Spoiler: earlygame varsoon neighborhood nonsense

varsoon immediately posted in the neighborhood (as in like before I even posted in-game I think) that he was outing the neighborhood and if I remember correctly that he was just worried about scum using it to their advantage and like the first 15 or so pages of the main thread seemed very focused on that b/c varsoon kind of explained it like shit in-thread and wasn't as consistent explaining it in-thread as he was in the neighborhood
I thought it was pretty irrelevant to his and most other people's alignments then and for the most part I still do so unless someone has something specific they want to point out to me in that mess I'm going to ignore those pages until the end of time

SHEEP OPINION
I really, really liked sheep's day 1 posting

From basically the beginning of the game sheep was throwing out reads on people in what felt like a genuine way, his comments towards cheeky in #546 (https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... #p10609674) felt good, he was engaged enough that even though leo was a scumread of his he said he'd rather leo hold off on claiming for a little longer so he could post more and get other people to chime in first, aaand on day 2 his reaction to varsoon's utter horseshit of a claim also felt town considering that he was fine getting lynched if it meant varsoon/xtomx would get lynched later (him thinking xtomx is super likely scum at the time I thought was slightly dumb but a pretty natural reaction to a newer/younger player when getting hammered by two players out of nowhere, esp. when one is fakeclaiming a damn cop guilty on him)

oh and also I agreed with sheep d1 that it felt at the time that mostly town people were the ones actually playing the game at that point, and I thought that his d1 readslist made a pretty decent amount of sense even though it had a ton of people as null/yellow on it. mostly b/c it was still early game. but yeah I liked basically everything about sheep's earlygame and basically the only way I think he's scum is if he immediately figured out it was multiball and literally immediately started playing to hunt the other scumteam as hard and as genuinely as he could. And I don't think he's experienced enough as a player to play that way as scum.

next up is probably nancy and TheBrie and light_ganski but that may take a while. Probably gonna play some smash bros and come back to this in an hour or so.

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My ic activates at night and reveals day 3. Dont block me n2 just in case

Anyway vote vax

hey

hey

you know this effort thing i'm doing

why don't you try it

in case one of the claimed roleblockers is scum and blocks you now that you've claimed that

or there's an unclaimed scum roleblocker/jailkeeper because xyzzy felt like this game was COMEDY TIME

also if you think saying 'vote vax' will actually make anything happen in this game maybe you should reread the last 3 weeks of it and see how that's gone so far

p.s. hi jingle
it wasn't a brag btw, I said I would be genuinely surprised if more than 3 people voted me today given my play so far
and tho you have 3 votes you are not in fact 3 people

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aight nancy next

so if you made me guess now I'd say I think Nancy's town but I think that her playstyle (overly emotional, tons and tons of kind of Frozen-angel esque posts) is really hard for me to read, especially early game.

Like her posts are a little light on content/depth but are generally fine-good imo, it just feels like she's playing in a very different way than I do in that it feels like she's kind of making in-game friends/enemies and then sticking to them for a bit rather than separating out people's content/appeals to her from whether or not she thinks they're likely scum and though I think the tone and general reactions to things feel more town than not, I'm not going to be confident in her being town until there are a few more flips and I can separate out some of her interactions into *her talking to town* and *her talking to scum* and see if they look different.

TheBrie:
I don't really like her #560 post about not wanting to vote a 'doomed' player even though she thinks leo is scum. I feel like her push on varsoon feels like scum pushing someone they know is scum for towncred? Like most of my read on her is just that a lot of her posts feel posturey and it's really hard to tell if she believes in anything she's saying given that she hasn't voted anyone in like a week. She def. took her time in Echo Bay Grits to shoot if I'm remembering that correctly so it's not really out of character for her to waffle about stuff like this I think. I do think her reads are alright from what I remember? But she also was very willing to shrug off previous scumreads (varsoon and jaylow/saul in particular, of which maybe I'm wrong on one but I REALLY think at least one of those two is scum) basically just for them replacing out (https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... #p10642554 for varsoon, also said she'd just give saul a pass and forget that jaylow was in slot later on).
She just has tons of things that feel more like commenting on the game rather than trying to solve it and I think that's a little more likely to come from scum. I WOULD really like to see her boldly put out a lengthy readslist with reasons considering that it feels like she's waffling on everyone in the game right now though.

light_ganski:
is a SNEAKY MOFO as I know from echo bay grits but her scumreads are good and her towniest reads are good and her reactions to in-game things are good
she just needs to post like literally twice as much for me to be comfortable calling her town or she's maybe just scum posting legit thoughts but lurking most of the time because it's the best scum strat in the game
I'd say more likely town than not but POST plz my friend I beg of u

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last ones are fast and easy so ill just do them now i guess

ausuka:
so much lurk
so little content

wisdom:
mood/posting fits gamestate
bein' lazy as hell with like 1-2 line posts but at least trying to lynch people
wouldn't even put bussing gemerald past him honestly b/c damn that'd be a lot of town cred that would last all game
my gut says he would maybe try slightly harder as scum but like...that's dumb b/c this game is dumb and nobody actually has to care about it b/c no deadlines

vonflare:
is vonflare
i don't really think he's likely scum but given his claim and how dumb the game atm is i'd consider lynching him anyway if enough people actually wanted to
shrug city

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I'll do one bonus one b/c jingle mentioned not liking me for it earlier actually and I lean town on him atm

Theta: is very likely town
first of all, FACTS: theta immediately suspected leo when leo claimed jailkeeper with no mention of it before that, waited until the wagon was dying down to claim jailkeeper himself, and then replaced out shortly into day 2

the argument for town theta: literally everything he did makes perfect sense for town to do in that situation when they think they'll get a scum lynch out of claiming, but want to wait to see if they can get scum lynched without needing to first. replacing out after fucking up and being upset about it I also think makes more sense for town to do than scum, but tbf he also had another reason for replacing out so feel free to ignore this point if you feel like it.

argument 1 for scum theta: he is scum jailkeeper who thought he could get away with counterclaiming a town one for a free mislynch. a) It doesn't really seem worth it for a day 1 lynch, especially when the highest other wagon was at 3 votes at the time so another town player was more likely than not going to be the lynch anyway and they can probably just kill leo either that night or later given the suspicion on him b)it means he's outed as a jailkeeper and is pretty much forced into sub-optimal targets for the rest of the game if he's scum to avoid just being outed as scum, when blocking things like tracker/watcher/vigs/etc seem like much much better ideas

argument 2 for scum theta: he is scum not-jailkeeper who just wanted a dead town jailkeeper. Either he's a roleblocker, in which everything above applies, or just like a goon and would be outed as scum as soon as someone he claimed to roleblock was not roleblocked. SEEMS DUMB.

argument 3: he is a scum jailkeeper, who thinks the game is mirrored multiball, and wants to kill the other scum's jailkeeper. problem: this basically outs him to the other scumteam as also a scum jailkeeper, and he is immediately shot in the face at worst, and at best is still basically outed to the other scumteam. seeeeeeeems dumb.

so like
when the best argument for someone being scum is "he thought it would be a good idea to handicap his scumteam against other PRs to lynch a jailkeeper day 1"
I don't think it's correct. and the way theta claimed comes from town like 96 times out of 100.

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tbf

jingle didn't know it was from like a week+ ago

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tbf

jingle didn't know it was from like a week+ ago

True but don’t you think his vote on you was strange? Also, I played with Jingle in Overkill 1 and he seems very different here.

Town!Jingle is much more easygoing, open, fun. His tone seems off. It’s a really nuts reason to vote for someone. I think if Jingle flips red, so does Xtoxm and maybe Gamma.

he was already scumreading me, there were some details in a spoiler in one of his earlier posts
part of it was me treating leo differently than theta for the same claim which I didn't explain until literally just now

waiting until xtomx says I'm bragging about shit is silly but I can see it coming from town and this game is silly so whatevs

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I left Gemerald off my lists b/c if it's multiball I would very unsurprised if she was part of a scumteam opposing some combination of 2-3 of Flavor/Brie/Jaylow (now Saudade)

But if not she's prob town for how she reacted to Varsoon/Flavor

and frankly I'm more willing to stall the game out for either the rest of the replacements to come in and have opinions on her and the rest of the game (which includes Saud b/c I have no idea what he thinks of literally anyone except Nancy) or (much much less likely) wagonomics' vig shot than vote him any time soon.

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and frankly I'm more willing to stall the game out for either the rest of the replacements to come in and have opinions on her and the rest of the game (which includes Saud b/c I have no idea what he thinks of literally anyone except Nancy) or (much much less likely) wagonomics' vig shot than vote *her* any time soon.

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I feel that I should point out that xyzzy's last large game was literally all dayvigs, 1-shot bulletproof dayvigs, scum dayvigs, scum traitor 1-shot bulletproof dayvigs, and TWO 2-shot bulletproof Serial killer dayvigs

so

maybe banking on the setup making sense over reads isn't the best plan

also yeah it prob would have been better to bring this up before Leo got lynched d1 but I was already scumreading Leo so get shrugged at I guess

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I'd lynch Ausuka

can we make Saud do like two things first though

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Xtoxm: Why you posting reads in the Neighborhood and not the real thread? Apparently your neighborhood content is what makes PB townread you, so why isn't it relevant for mass consumption? Also, what is your neighborhood content?

PB, FL, feel free to weigh in.

it's prob not as substantial as you think for one thing

it's like him not liking people who wanted to lynch leo and an early sheep scumread with an actual legit reason behind it, plus some casual talk with varsoon/flavor that felt genuine and that's pretty much it

I just like it and if it wasn't there I would prob be very fine with burning his slot into the ground like a few other people seem to want to at the moment

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ausuka do you have some townreads? I wouldn't mind hearing about them if you do

Enter replaces hebichan. votecount forthcoming.

glory fukkin hallelujah only one more to go

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Xtoxm: Why you posting reads in the Neighborhood and not the real thread? Apparently your neighborhood content is what makes PB townread you, so why isn't it relevant for mass consumption? Also, what is your neighborhood content?

PB, FL, feel free to weigh in.

it's prob not as substantial as you think for one thing

it's like him not liking people who wanted to lynch leo and an early sheep scumread with an actual legit reason behind it, plus some casual talk with varsoon/flavor that felt genuine and that's pretty much it

I just like it and if it wasn't there I would prob be very fine with burning his slot into the ground like a few other people seem to want to at the moment

You are townreading him because he didn't like the wagon on flipped town but did fuckall in the main thread to derail the lynch and because he was fluffing? I continue to want to give the Party Boat a Viking Funeral.

hey i mentioned a sheep read in there too

he feels like badtown I've seen in the past (vezokpiraka, Furcolow) who were playing objectively poorly to everyone else but seemed to have no self-awareness of it whatsoever while being stubbornly, genuinely sure of everything they're doing

and sure I could be wrong but I'm gonna follow my gut on this for now and you can follow yours and we can both see where that gets us later

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also jingle if you wanted me dead before wait til you read this

now that we have what seems to be just about an ACTUAL FUNCTIONING GAME I'm gonna start jumping between wagons on my scumreads for a bit in the hopes of making an actual wagon happen that can in turn make things happen in the game

So everyone plz pretend that my vote is on all of Flavor/Saud/Ausuka for right now because it might as well be
VOTE: Saudade

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those two and i have literal opposite reads and fucking lol this game if it's v/v/v

what's v/v/v

I'd guess village/village/village but I don't know your abbreviations man

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@Nancy - if you don't think you can deal with the game go ahead and PM xyzzy and make the replace out official, it'd be better to get it out of the way now than have you replace out in a week and stretch out the amount of gametime with missing players in it even further

Like I'd personally rather you stay in and post general reads/thoughts on the game less frequently instead of keeping with the amount of posting you're doing and responding to everyone and everything, but if you can't deal with Flavor and/or other people scumreading you replacing out now is going to be a lot better for the game than publicly considering replacing out every time the game doesn't go the way you want it to.

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VOTE: Ausuka

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I don’t understand the Ausuka wagon either.

Why not Saudade?

ausuka just hasn't done shit all game and doesn't have any reads that aren't incredibly easy to fake as scum

i would love a saudade wagon but people gotta be willing to change votes or convince other people to change votes to actually make a lynch happen

if more people haven't hopped on ausuka by tomorrow I'll prob go back to saud. or maybe flavor. gotta do somethin' to help make the game function tho

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progressss

VOTE: Saudade

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when saudade flips town remember this resistance to voting ausuka

Same thing to Sheep.

so do you actually scumread ausuka or are you just saying that you still scumread sheep?

mostly b/c assuming you're town for a second the entire reason varsoon had a fakeclaiming hissy fit was because I told him he was playing like shit and there was zero chance of sheep actually getting enough votes to be lynched today

which is in fact still true for sheep but not for ausuka

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i have better reads now though? and since i'm a wagon i have to at least try and produce content to make people tr me, that goes for either alignment. And like am I not supposed to talk about my scumreads because that's news to me?

?

so like

what "better" reads do you have now exactly

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i have better reads now though? and since i'm a wagon i have to at least try and produce content to make people tr me, that goes for either alignment. And like am I not supposed to talk about my scumreads because that's news to me?

?

so like

what "better" reads do you have now exactly

I meant that I have stronger reads, as in two scumreads I believe in rather than just one and I feel more strongly about both. that was unclear sorry. I would argue that my Vax read is now better because I now have more evidence for it but that's an opinion.

so one is vax

is the other Saud or Gemerald or Xtomx or someone else b/c I can't really tell from your iso
and what makes you feel stronger about them now?

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VOTE: saudade

i dislike an ausuka lynch because she has villagery content and saudade because he's just a null lurker but is in everyones poe anyway shrug

l-2

tell me more of this villagery content

what exactly is villagery from ausuka in your opinion?

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Let's just quickly make sure the game isn't going to fall apart and...

votecount 2.16

8 players voting for Saudade (Wagonomics, Nancy Drew 39, TheBrie, light_ganski, Trekkie99, Party Boat, mastina, vonflare)

mod notes: if Saudade doesn't show up in the next day or so he will be replaced.

Wow. Alright. Someone explain why we're wagoning the lurker?

Jaylow (who saud replaced) made two posts, the first of which was in my opinion very bad, and then ceased to exist

Saud replaced in with a decent amount of goodwill from flavor leaf and other people happy that the slot had finally been replaced, made a series of profoundly mediocre posts with no content aside from a nancy scumread for about 4 days, and then also ceased to exist

of the 5 weeks or so the game has been open the slot has posted on six of those days. people can agree that the slot should die and cannot agree that another slot should die

so killing it is super fine. perhaps even ULTRA-fine. if you want to post some thoughts tonight I can unvote until tomorrow if you want but given that you've said you'll be V/LA over the weekend and that both of the wagons atm I'm quite happy with you can bug some other people if you want the lynch to be on hold for longer than that.

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Hey hey hey no one said anything about a vig shot

If Purrocet does have a vigshot, how are they going to use it? Just on their own discretion, or get input? (If input, make sure it doesn't take too long. We could have forever, but we odn't want it.)

why type this out honestly

purc basically just said 'hey my ability isn't a vigshot'

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this is mostly a prod dodge

wagonomics has good posts that people should read

i cannot bring myself to care about mastina and xtomx's reads of each other given that Xtomx assuming that people can read him from playing with him looks like it happened in starcraft mafia too and mastina making reads off of what I think is borderline nothing doesn't surprise me at all regardless of her alignment (and in case anyone wants a reminder I still think theta's play was real town)

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I dont feel like town-a50 can have a legit scum read on me here so thats a little sus

But what does my opinion matter

Bc he's seen my scum game

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you're right that I just skimmed your iso, I haven't read the game

I just also think that this argument (and the general idea that mastina should be able to read you here from her experience with you) is similar enough to that one that I could see you easily being wrong on it

her approach to my slot only ever comes from scum here
she knows me well enough that theres 0 chance she believes the angles shes pushing

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VOTE: unvote

Hi Dann

tell us ur thoughts when you get around to reading some stuff

[Party Boat]

I'm not going to have time read up on this today or tonight, sorry

if I haven't posted by thursday evening feel free to hassle me until I get back and do shit

[Party Boat]

I'd still be pretty shocked by a mastina scumflip given Theta's play

I still haven't read the past uh 20 or so pages since sunday so I guess I'll do that during night phase

Dann seemed alright in his first read post, I think that was the last bit I read up to - I'm still pretty worried about a potential Flavor/Dann scumteam given how little effort Flavor put into giving Saud a townread (or at least a complete pass for all of today) but if I die for some reason make your own read on Dann since I'm assuming he's posted more in the past 20 pages

I still think that varsoon literally lying to my face while I was calling him out on his fakeclaim is way, way more scum-motivated than town-motivated and that Flavor has been very, very actively trying to cosy up to a lot of people and I don't reeeally think that's only something he'd do as scum but I do think that you should be aware of that when trying to read him

i dunno I feel like most of the shit I want to say I already said weeks ago so maybe I'll talk to ya'll later after some flips I guess

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I'm here, I obv haven't flaked when I posted right before the lynch

I will get lynched but obviously lynch fucking ausuka afterwards and don't give her any leeway for 'oh no my results got messed up woe is meeeeeeeeee' when varsoon's already fucking fakeclaimed and gotten away with it

I'll be around and I can give reads but tbh I haven't read shit b/c I was hoping to die in the night and not have to do things

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the fact that flavor has been pushing so godamn hard for these bullshit stances of 'oh mastina has to be scum look at all these counterwagons' and completely ignored saud DESPITE half the reason for everyone suspecting jaylow/saud was jaylow's vote on varsoon being the single worst post of all of day 1 should also be AN ENORMOUS FLASHING RED LIGHT

if anyone has opinions of mine they would like on particular players please ask for them

xtomx is still probably horrifically bad town imo while we're mentioning him

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VOTE: Ausuka

@xtomx-it's single given that there's only a 'mafia' flip so far I'd say

there do seem to be multiple one-shot vigs and maybe a SK though

[Party Boat]

ausuka is saccing herself to kill me b/c of two things

1) her play was garbage all of yesterday and voted literally two separate people with no justification at all except to keep herself alive
2) at least one (and probably more than one) scum member was being bussed/distanced by the others and looks like they'll carry the game for a while after

personally I'd guess that flavor is maybe bussing light_ganski? b/c I think she usually plays harder than this. That's a biggg guess though at the moment.

[Party Boat]

nancy and xtomx have been literally eating out of flavor's hands in the quicktopic all godamn game and if I hadn't shown up before I got lynched I doubt he would be a serious lynch consideration even after ausuka's death.

him pulling 'oh i thought PB was scum but I was too lazy with quicktopic shenanigans to actually care about it before now' is also the hottest garbage of the fucking week

[Party Boat]

I talked about it in my neighborhood that near the end of the day, I started feeling I was wrong, which is when it got overly tunnely. I didn’t wanna think about it anymore.

Good work, Ausuka.

you said this AFTER the lynch

you never said anything about feeling mastina might be wrong before it happened

[Party Boat]

xtomx is still probably horrifically bad town imo while we're mentioning him

I don't buy it, why?

because he is the ultra confident idiot that goes off about how confscum mastina is before she's lynched and flips town despite me trying to convince him that no, mastina's just bad and trying to read people based 'they should be able to read me' is fucking retarded

I physically don't believe he would cozy up to flavor as much as he has and be this blatantly garbage at reading people as scum because flavor/varsoon have a thousand LEGIT reasons to be scum and xtomx would not throw himself into that nearly as hard as he has (and THEORETICALLY he could be scum if flavor isn't but seriously look at flavor's fucking interactions with saud)

[Party Boat]

like he is GENUINELY CONFIDENT in all of the things he's saying

the behavior is way, way more likely to come from town who is genuinely wrong than scum who is actively trying to sacrifice all of their credibility to push as many bad lynches as possible, because nobody enjoys playing scum that way because it's usually a very bad plan

[Party Boat]

also I feel that I should point out that if ausuka was real she'd very, very likely have some reads or some sort of 2nd result (you know from the 1st night that also existed) she'd want to share before she died
and yeah she'll either make up something now or claim odd/even whatever but seriously ASK HER FOR THOSE READS and tell me afterwards which one of us you think is legit town here

because as I said to varsoon when he came up with a fake guilty, I think I've done enough shit this game for people to be able to read me. I'm not gonna be mad if I get lynched from a fake guilty since it'll still get a scum lynch (and probably a 2nd on flavor) afterwards, but read the shit I have posted this game about varsoon and jaylow and saud and tell me genuinely after hearing that and whatever reads ausuka claims to have that you think I'm scum over her.

[Party Boat]

I'm reading back a bit and I still like my read on vaxkiller (he wasn't a fan of either of dann/ausuka yesterday), trekkie/overkill are still very likely town imo

ALSO I feel that I should point out that Jingle was the nightkill last night after bringing up profii's scumlist near the end of the day, which I literally ALSO DID EXACTLY yesterday and tried to lynch fucking both people on it that weren't theta/mastina because the way theta claimed made him obvtown to me

If you want to give me shit for not being around when mastina got lynched then fine but remember that it happened in about 2-3 days (monday to wednesday) and I did post that I'd be around to reread things thursday. I was exhausted enough from work this week that I passed out at 7:30pm on tuesday and I wasn't going to deal with an extra 10-20 pages of the game then in addition to work.

[Party Boat]

this feels a lot like town!dann already even from the first post alone (i did a meta dive on him in the trekkie game leaned earlier ps trekkie is still villa)

and i'd honestly expect him to have that type of w read on me with the meta information he has

nice try but you're still voting me so ??

What are your reads? Who do you think is the best lynch today if you think I'm town? and I don't wanna hear more of "doesn't matter who as long as it's soon"

hey ausuka help the mastina wagon grow?
i'll consider not sheeping wisdom on you
i have a high opinion of his scumhunting so this is good offer

Isn't it kinda suboptimal to lynch a claimed PR when players like Sheep and Vax exist?

#2549 from ausuka reads town self preservation and not scum self preservation

I'm gonna get lunch in a few minutes

but also read through the 20 or so pages that I was just gone from where the wagons went from Dannflor and Ausuka to mastina

cause shit like this is in there as a reminder

[Party Boat]

: /

I really don't think it will

like with all I've been saying and a guilty on me from ausuka I don't get why you don't shoot between me and like flavor leaf at least even if you are scared of shooting ausuka's claim

[Party Boat]

I guess we could have a werewolf flip but like I doubt it

i dunno maybe he's a SK or something but he's def. not mafia

and the fact that ausuka is fakeclaiming a guilty on me prob makes it less likely to be multiball?

[Party Boat]

I'm not dead yet I don't think

also have all the interactions where Dann pushed people away from lynching ausuka over and over again

Ausuka: Leaning a bit Town.

I skimmed more than I read the most recent pages, so I'm not too clear why there's a wagon on this slot. I think it's probably a mislynch. She never ever thinks the Leo wagon is a good idea, even before it gets really bad and scum can be sure it'll go through anyway. Nothing in her ISO reads scummy to me so I'm gonna need someone to spell out the case on her. I'd would agree with the narrative that two mislynches are being setup today for town to choose between. However, I don't like post #2354 from Ausuka. It feeds into the BS narrative that we HAVE to lynch either my slot or Ausuka today which... I feel is being pushed by scum (more on that later). This is no deadlines mafia, having "no reason to town read someone" is not the best excuse to lynch someone. This would make more sense in a game with deadlines. However, I'm willing to give it a pass because of the heavy narrative being pressed that we NEED a lynch soon and that the game is stalling out. This could very well be a town survival instinct because of that.

Vaxkiller: Probably Scum.

His push on Varsoon is bad. His push on Gamma is bad. His push on sheep is bad. His push on ausuka is bad. Everything about his play is opportunistic and weak. He has tons of short posts that are effectively fluff and seems to have been able to just blend in until recently. I just have no good things to say about this slot and I'd be fine lynching here today. However, there is another slot I want to lynch more and there's still the off chance Vax is just really bad town.

Let's do the last neighbor:

PartyBoat: Mixed.

Bleh. I gut read this slot initially and I liked how he behaved around the Leodanny lynch. He really pushed for Leodanny to give reads and tried to give him a lifeline so Leo wouldn't just keep trolling and get killed. Obviously it didn't work out, but his attempts read genuine. However, I dislike the way he tunnels Varsoon/Flavor and then seemingly only backs off when Flavor replaces in and won't be an easy lynch, despite the fact that PartyBoat is clearly still suspicious. His pocketing of Sheepsaysmeep esp during the Varsoon vs. Sheep spatfest was also yucky. I HATE the whole narrative that Varsoon is obv scum or that there was gonna be a huge wagon but there was last second resistance. That narrative is purported by Sheep and PartyBoat mainly and that seems very gamestate controlly/manipulative. Because it's not true and I don't think the Varsoon slot was ever in any real danger of being lynched. I also very much think Sheep is scum so these two could be buddies, but maybe the buddying is too obvious then. Regardless, lots of conflicting thoughts on this slot.

But Ausuka's posts continue to be bad and is still my preferred lynch

i really don't see this

Ausuka is just looking to push anyone that won't get herself killed regardless of who it is and isn't hiding it

like I said, town survival instinct, I think scum plays smarter than that most of the time

I'll vote Ausuka if I see an Ausuka case. No, I'm not asking

you

for one.

Yuck

Also, we need a vote count. I don't know what Mastina is at, and i don't want to accidentally lynch her. I don't think we're there, but... Also the whole Theta/Jk thing is making me slightly hesitant. Cause I was leaning town strongly with Theta, and Those thoughts haven't changed. On one hand, I'm not sure things would resolve the same way as they would with Theta, on the other hand, if Mastina is a Town JK, scum won't want to keep her alive. So logically we should leave Mastina until tomorrow.

Also yuck

I was thinking along these lines before, but as has already been explained, the amount of power in this game plus the fact that Mastina is so heavily scum read means she isn't likely to die even if town.

Everyone’s being such a fucking stick in the mud whenever someone pushes a lynch they dislike In breaking this out:

@Everyone: what are your top 4 preferred lynches? In order please.

@Wagonimics I want to lynch xtoxm, Vax, Mastina, and Wisdom. I’m aware xtoxm and mastina aren’t scum together ever but there’s plenty of support for multiball both with what has been seen setup/event wise and with how the game is developing. Wisdom I don’t see happening but is one I feel rather confident in.
This also serves as an answer to my own question so thanks for keeping me on top of things.

Sheep >>> Mastina > The Brie >>> Vax

I’ve been pushing Mastina for far too long to ever agree with that.

Saudade slot is literally the laziest wagon in this game and is incredibly scum motivated.

Okay yes but the timeline literally is Saudade at L-2 or whatever then me replacing in, the wagon dying > Mastina wagon grows

Just because you and a couple others were pushing it way before than doesn't mean the wagon was alive before mine died

I don't really think it matters but I'm not sure why you're outright denying the timeline here

I'd still prefer an actual scumread though. Like sheep, who had a crazy amount of resistance due to literally just Nancy's meta read and has high partner equity with mastina or Ausuka who has high resistance because literally no one is townreading her. :shrug:

PEDIT: Yo I'd prefer this too if people could let go of their weak ass town reads on him, the meta case for sheep town is bullshit

also I town read Ausuka

[Party Boat]

I see pb flipping red because
Don't see Ausuka fake claiming at all for no reason

sheep is a good next lynch

it's pretty clearly not for no reason

look at the interactions between Dann and Ausuka when they were the two leading wagons and then fucking think about who would likely be the next lynch today if they didn't fakeclaim a guilty on me

[Party Boat]

also I feel that I should point out that if ausuka was real she'd very, very likely have some reads or some sort of 2nd result (you know from the 1st night that also existed) she'd want to share before she died
and yeah she'll either make up something now or claim odd/even whatever but seriously ASK HER FOR THOSE READS and tell me afterwards which one of us you think is legit town here

because as I said to varsoon when he came up with a fake guilty, I think I've done enough shit this game for people to be able to read me. I'm not gonna be mad if I get lynched from a fake guilty since it'll still get a scum lynch (and probably a 2nd on flavor) afterwards, but read the shit I have posted this game about varsoon and jaylow and saud and tell me genuinely after hearing that and whatever reads ausuka claims to have that you think I'm scum over her.

Why does Ausuka claim a fake guilty on you? I’m surprised she even checked you.

because I'm the only person alive who's still calling out Flavor Leaf for his fucking atrocious reaction to Saud's play (which would have sunk to being completely unnoticed if I had gotten lynched before I showed up today) AND I was suspicious of ausuka yesterday

[Party Boat]

I see pb flipping red because
Don't see Ausuka fake claiming at all for no reason

sheep is a good next lynch

it's pretty clearly not for no reason

look at the interactions between Dann and Ausuka when they were the two leading wagons and then fucking think about who would likely be the next lynch today if they didn't fakeclaim a guilty on me

I've never seen scum do a 1/1 trade with a fake guilty lmao
Ausuka was generally going to be targeted for a lynch, it seems like the only effect it had was confuse us for a day

look at what happened with leodanny/theta and it makes a lot more sense for this game - ausuka saccing herself for a 3rd straight day of town lynches AND a possibility of not getting lynched the next day if people are hesitant to lynch her b/c of the other "1v1" that happened this game not really being scum v town
like admittedly her just getting lynched afterwards still isn't a great scumplay unless it has side benefits, but I think me pushing so hard on Flavor and her interactions with Dann yesterday and him flipping scum do make it worth it for her here

like last game I was scum I basically scumclaimed by day-vigging someone with a guilty on my scumpartner before they outed it, and NSG and Porkens managed to win b/c that guilty never got revealed (though it was almost figured out on the final day). I obv got lynched for it but killing the only person that wanted to lynch one of my partners did play a huge part in eventually winning that game.

[Party Boat]

Also, yes, Jingle getting killed makes sense b/c of his role

but that doesn't rule out the possibility that he was an even better target because of his reads

18 days, my bad. Not 22.

Regardless, that’s a long ass time for me to have joined in this day phase.

You guys act like you replacing in late.

I replaced in LITERALLY THIS SAME DAY PHASE.

Yarp.

My never touch list:

Nancy, xtoxm, Gamma, Trekkie, Saudade slot

I'll eat a hat if there isn't a scum in there.

[Party Boat]

Basically I don't think PB reacts to your play this way as scum. I don't think to same holds true vice versa.
As for the Dannflor interactions, it doesn't always do so but the way in which it happened makes sense as scum defending a buddy

Okay but why? Why doesn't PB do this as scum? Why do I do this as acum? Why do our interactions look so buddyish to you? And assuming this is multiball which it looks like, why would I just kill myself right after my buddy dies, probably only leaving one member remaining versus a likely three on the other team?

it's pretty unlikely to be multiball now that we only have a 'mafia' flip (except for SK possibilities)

[Party Boat]

he does do this as scum
he has nothing to lose at this point trying to swing ausuka first instead of hmself
also trying to set me up for tomorrows lynch by calling me town
very see through scum strategy

I don't expect you to vote ausuka instead of me

i am trying to save you from an inevitable lynch later because I think you are town whose play looks disgusting to a lot of godamn people

i have tried to talk to you and convince you to not lynch mastina and interact with you like a human being but you're going to have to actually think and play a little less like shit after what I'm assuming will be me/ausuka followed by flavor's lynch so that you don't just get lynched for following flavor leaf like a godamn puppy all game for no intelligent reason

[Party Boat]

Basically I don't think PB reacts to your play this way as scum. I don't think to same holds true vice versa.
As for the Dannflor interactions, it doesn't always do so but the way in which it happened makes sense as scum defending a buddy

Okay but why? Why doesn't PB do this as scum? Why do I do this as acum? Why do our interactions look so buddyish to you? And assuming this is multiball which it looks like, why would I just kill myself right after my buddy dies, probably only leaving one member remaining versus a likely three on the other team?

it's pretty unlikely to be multiball now that we only have a 'mafia' flip (except for SK possibilities)

So, Dann was vigged?

we have two dead 1-shot vigs and kokichi who has just shot someone

an entire second scumteam with that is possible but would be pretty fucking weird, especially with no alternate scumteam flavor like xyzzy did for Echo Bay Grits

it's very likely either vig or SK

[Party Boat]

I would say I was wrong about changing the Gamma read but like I don't understand why scum behaves like this in the current gamestate, he's probably town. Still though, it's nowhere near LYLO and lynching the guilty is always the best play, not to mention how PB is claiming to have accepted he gets lynched first, while still trying to case me and get me lynched with everything he's got.

you're damn right I'm trying

I said I wouldn't be mad about it

I didn't say I wouldn't try to have people actually think about the game and why I think you're doing this as scum and give up on the possibility of the people in this game actually figuring out what's going on

[Party Boat]

Why does SK ever shoot Dann? SK wants to maximize KP on town.

^maybe not when the town has lynched two straight town jailkeepers

[Party Boat]

im following him because i have identified a fellow town member and im working with him to solve the game

Danflor is the attempt at a counterwagon to save Mastina.

This is clear as day.

Literally, Mastina, Sheep, light, and Vonflare are the ones on Dann.

That’s literally who I was pushing as scum, and this wagon came AFTER that.

The scum team is hardcore trying to get their heavy out of this situation.

yeah how's that working out so far

[Party Boat]

@ganski- it's the vig shot

which wouldn't actually be good enough except Dann just flipped scum day 3 dayvig and two scum day 3 dayvigs would be profoundly depressing setup design

so yeah the setup is gonna have doubles/triples of things with sometimes 1 of those being scum

[Party Boat]

I'd also like to point out a lot of things from my iso up until early last week

b/c there sure is a lot of fucking reason in it for ausuka to fake a guilty on me in particular once she's decided that she wants to fake one on someone given that dann just flipped scum and the connections between them

also jingle if you wanted me dead before wait til you read this

now that we have what seems to be just about an ACTUAL FUNCTIONING GAME I'm gonna start jumping between wagons on my scumreads for a bit in the hopes of making an actual wagon happen that can in turn make things happen in the game

So everyone plz pretend that my vote is on all of Flavor/Saud/Ausuka for right now because it might as well be
VOTE: Saudade

VOTE: Ausuka

I don’t understand the Ausuka wagon either.

Why not Saudade?

ausuka just hasn't done shit all game and doesn't have any reads that aren't incredibly easy to fake as scum

i would love a saudade wagon but people gotta be willing to change votes or convince other people to change votes to actually make a lynch happen

if more people haven't hopped on ausuka by tomorrow I'll prob go back to saud. or maybe flavor. gotta do somethin' to help make the game function tho

progressss

VOTE: Saudade

when saudade flips town remember this resistance to voting ausuka

Same thing to Sheep.

so do you actually scumread ausuka or are you just saying that you still scumread sheep?

mostly b/c assuming you're town for a second the entire reason varsoon had a fakeclaiming hissy fit was because I told him he was playing like shit and there was zero chance of sheep actually getting enough votes to be lynched today

which is in fact still true for sheep but not for ausuka

i have better reads now though? and since i'm a wagon i have to at least try and produce content to make people tr me, that goes for either alignment. And like am I not supposed to talk about my scumreads because that's news to me?

?

so like

what "better" reads do you have now exactly

i have better reads now though? and since i'm a wagon i have to at least try and produce content to make people tr me, that goes for either alignment. And like am I not supposed to talk about my scumreads because that's news to me?

?

so like

what "better" reads do you have now exactly

I meant that I have stronger reads, as in two scumreads I believe in rather than just one and I feel more strongly about both. that was unclear sorry. I would argue that my Vax read is now better because I now have more evidence for it but that's an opinion.

so one is vax

is the other Saud or Gemerald or Xtomx or someone else b/c I can't really tell from your iso
and what makes you feel stronger about them now?

VOTE: saudade

i dislike an ausuka lynch because she has villagery content and saudade because he's just a null lurker but is in everyones poe anyway shrug

l-2

tell me more of this villagery content

what exactly is villagery from ausuka in your opinion?

Let's just quickly make sure the game isn't going to fall apart and...

votecount 2.16

8 players voting for Saudade (Wagonomics, Nancy Drew 39, TheBrie, light_ganski, Trekkie99, Party Boat, mastina, vonflare)

mod notes: if Saudade doesn't show up in the next day or so he will be replaced.

Wow. Alright. Someone explain why we're wagoning the lurker?

Jaylow (who saud replaced) made two posts, the first of which was in my opinion very bad, and then ceased to exist

Saud replaced in with a decent amount of goodwill from flavor leaf and other people happy that the slot had finally been replaced, made a series of profoundly mediocre posts with no content aside from a nancy scumread for about 4 days, and then also ceased to exist

of the 5 weeks or so the game has been open the slot has posted on six of those days. people can agree that the slot should die and cannot agree that another slot should die

so killing it is super fine. perhaps even ULTRA-fine. if you want to post some thoughts tonight I can unvote until tomorrow if you want but given that you've said you'll be V/LA over the weekend and that both of the wagons atm I'm quite happy with you can bug some other people if you want the lynch to be on hold for longer than that.

VOTE: unvote

Hi Dann

tell us ur thoughts when you get around to reading some stuff

I'm not going to have time read up on this today or tonight, sorry

if I haven't posted by thursday evening feel free to hassle me until I get back and do shit

[Party Boat]

Ok so sure you bussed saud and you scumread me. You weren't the only one and tbh if I was scum I would've gone for wisdom not you.

I'll def. bus as scum but I've literally been trying to get him lynched all godamn game and was bugging SO MANY people about their dumb unwillingness to lynch that non-existent playerslot

like I'd def. state that I was suspicious of him if I were scum and maybe throw a vote or two his way

but I do not genuinely care this much about trying to get scum lynched if I am scum in this game.

hyi

will sheep Nancy/ hebichan (not on that Wisdom vote tho)
And most likely spending this day taking a cat nap if I'm being honest

VOTE: Jaylow

How about here?

i like it personally

VOTE: jaylow

Ok yeah the way the speed of the Leo wagon is definitely giving me bad vibes

it's got 5 people out of 24 players in the game on it at the moment

if you think someone on it is scum pushing it then say so but the 'speed of the wagon' being spooky is still dumb as hell

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of the people currently being wagoned that aren't leo Jay I would clearly lynch, vax maybe isn't a terrible vote but I don't want to put out a FIRM READ on him yet

I don't particularly like TheBrie's post about Jaylow being terrible but still clearly signaling that she isn't going to help pressure Jaylow into doing anything for a while. Like I get why she might feel that way but it feels like she's giving Jay too many little excuses and exceptions than necessary and she's probably who I'd look at hardest if Jaylow flipped scum later.

of people who I forgot were in the game and then checked their iso 0verki11 looks a little town to me and several other players are technically in the game

I'm kind of expecting absolutely nothing meaningful to happen in-game for like the next week+ given christmas and Leo's wagon falling apart so I might just lurk for a while and let everyone catch up on the game.

Yeah, I said that.

Yeah, I find that highly suspicious for both an entrance post and an only post but no one wants to lynch there because of that.

i mean Iiiiiiii'd still lynch it

VOTE: Jaylow

meh

VOTE: Jaylow

it's kind of a lazy vote but i can be less lazy when jaylow and kokichi and gemerald have real reads for me to look at

most of the people actively posting look at least a little town to me excepting the people I've already mentioned and TheBrie. light's megapost isn't tears-of-joy good but like it's good enough to probably leave her alone for a while at least

people i'd be very happy to lynch: varsoon, jaylow

people I will not lynch today: kokichi, theta, singleton, trekkie, wagonomics, purrcocet

give me a reason to care about wagoning them or I'll continue ignoring votes on them for the next 2 weeks: everyone else

the fact that profili's scumlist was
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theta
varsoon
Jaylow
leodanny
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makes me even more content with lynching one of varsoon/jaylow

Instead, look at how people responded and come to some fruitful conclusions.

xtomx looks much worse if you're actually town

vax looks slightly worse regardless of your alignment

I still would like to lynch one of you and jaylow today and you fakeclaiming a cop guilty sure pushes the scale pretty hard in your direction

like lulzy mason claims when we're neighbors I was legit fine with but fakeclaiming cop guilties when you're under pressure is a whole different ballgame of needing death

i would grr at you but my fury and vengeance is reserved for sheep who has now cheated death for like the 62nd time
and im pretty sure u replaced a town

why on earth would you think that two post player was town
like now that the slot is replaced he'll finally be legit readable and i'm v. happy with that but townreading jaylow is very silly

p-edit: that goes for you too flavor

@purr: is you thinking sheeps been cheating death only referring to this game? Like I feel like sheep's been between fine and quite good in his posting basically the entire game

i would grr at you but my fury and vengeance is reserved for sheep who has now cheated death for like the 62nd time
and im pretty sure u replaced a town

why on earth would you think that two post player was town
like now that the slot is replaced he'll finally be legit readable and i'm v. happy with that but townreading jaylow is very silly

why would u think he was scum
he had a intro post and a "im gonna post" post and people were voting him

His intro post just felt really overdramatic

seemed very newbscum trying to look like they were playing the game and REALLY READING PEOPLE just like the townz are supposed to do

baaaaad

eheheh

aight nancy next

so if you made me guess now I'd say I think Nancy's town but I think that her playstyle (overly emotional, tons and tons of kind of Frozen-angel esque posts) is really hard for me to read, especially early game.

Like her posts are a little light on content/depth but are generally fine-good imo, it just feels like she's playing in a very different way than I do in that it feels like she's kind of making in-game friends/enemies and then sticking to them for a bit rather than separating out people's content/appeals to her from whether or not she thinks they're likely scum and though I think the tone and general reactions to things feel more town than not, I'm not going to be confident in her being town until there are a few more flips and I can separate out some of her interactions into *her talking to town* and *her talking to scum* and see if they look different.

TheBrie:
I don't really like her #560 post about not wanting to vote a 'doomed' player even though she thinks leo is scum. I feel like her push on varsoon feels like scum pushing someone they know is scum for towncred? Like most of my read on her is just that a lot of her posts feel posturey and it's really hard to tell if she believes in anything she's saying given that she hasn't voted anyone in like a week. She def. took her time in Echo Bay Grits to shoot if I'm remembering that correctly so it's not really out of character for her to waffle about stuff like this I think. I do think her reads are alright from what I remember? But she also was very willing to shrug off previous scumreads (varsoon and jaylow/saul in particular, of which maybe I'm wrong on one but I REALLY think at least one of those two is scum) basically just for them replacing out (https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... #p10642554 for varsoon, also said she'd just give saul a pass and forget that jaylow was in slot later on).
She just has tons of things that feel more like commenting on the game rather than trying to solve it and I think that's a little more likely to come from scum. I WOULD really like to see her boldly put out a lengthy readslist with reasons considering that it feels like she's waffling on everyone in the game right now though.

light_ganski:
is a SNEAKY MOFO as I know from echo bay grits but her scumreads are good and her towniest reads are good and her reactions to in-game things are good
she just needs to post like literally twice as much for me to be comfortable calling her town or she's maybe just scum posting legit thoughts but lurking most of the time because it's the best scum strat in the game
I'd say more likely town than not but POST plz my friend I beg of u

I left Gemerald off my lists b/c if it's multiball I would very unsurprised if she was part of a scumteam opposing some combination of 2-3 of Flavor/Brie/Jaylow (now Saudade)

But if not she's prob town for how she reacted to Varsoon/Flavor

and frankly I'm more willing to stall the game out for either the rest of the replacements to come in and have opinions on her and the rest of the game (which includes Saud b/c I have no idea what he thinks of literally anyone except Nancy) or (much much less likely) wagonomics' vig shot than vote him any time soon.

Let's just quickly make sure the game isn't going to fall apart and...

votecount 2.16

8 players voting for Saudade (Wagonomics, Nancy Drew 39, TheBrie, light_ganski, Trekkie99, Party Boat, mastina, vonflare)

mod notes: if Saudade doesn't show up in the next day or so he will be replaced.

Wow. Alright. Someone explain why we're wagoning the lurker?

Jaylow (who saud replaced) made two posts, the first of which was in my opinion very bad, and then ceased to exist

Saud replaced in with a decent amount of goodwill from flavor leaf and other people happy that the slot had finally been replaced, made a series of profoundly mediocre posts with no content aside from a nancy scumread for about 4 days, and then also ceased to exist

of the 5 weeks or so the game has been open the slot has posted on six of those days. people can agree that the slot should die and cannot agree that another slot should die

so killing it is super fine. perhaps even ULTRA-fine. if you want to post some thoughts tonight I can unvote until tomorrow if you want but given that you've said you'll be V/LA over the weekend and that both of the wagons atm I'm quite happy with you can bug some other people if you want the lynch to be on hold for longer than that.

[Party Boat]

@TheBrie, for your reads list in 3216, did you start with your reads list in 2601?

Sorry if that's an odd question just something I noticed

Not this time. I was mostly going off what I had in my head, so it's kinda similar, but I didn't actually refer back to it. I'd seen in recently though, as it came up when I was looking at everything people said about Single.

Ausuka faking this claim isn't impossible, especially since she was likely going to die otherwise, but I think it unlikely. PB looks like a good invest. And N2 Cop is believable with all these Day 3 Vigs. Also, we're not lynching another claimed PR. PB must die, but I'd rather lynch someone else.

Kill: Party Boat

I'm flipping town but congrats on at least being more competent than fucking kokichi and shooting one of me/ausuka/flavor

lynch them both, figure out the last after, my guess is light just b/c I think flavor would be bussing someone here to set them up for lategame and light has been really underwhelming, but I also have basically no read on Enter/hebichan either. other chances for last scum are like Nancy and mayyybe Gamma Emerald.

[Party Boat]

also maybe kokichi if there's like 5 day 3 vigs or something like that but I still kind of doubt it

purr's the person I'd prob reread if I had time since they seem to have gotten a lot worse but looked really town early but I've got a friend coming over in like 10 min so do it yourselves

[Party Boat]

gg scum

turns out town needs to have enough people actively trying to play the game to win who woulda thunk