no deadlines mafia [game over]

[Ausuka]

Hi, I'm in this game.

VOTE: profii

You're always scum, therefore you are also scum this game.

[Ausuka]

is it just me or does leo wagon feel too easy? it's like everyone in the thread rn agrees on it and he feels like newbie lynchbait. also sounds kinda genuine recently past his obvious tonal wakwardness.

VOTE: gemerald is where i lean so far, i feel like his iso is like trying to produce content to the point where it's not immediately obvious that he isn't, and he definitely has a lot of posts, but most of them feel more like posts for the sake of posting than anything else, like the exchange about cheeky being right about porkens; don't get what that was meant to accomplish and honestly most of his posts don't feel like scumhunting at all, the exception being his recent push on Leo where he first opposes it but then switches and sticks to the anti-leo position hard?

wagonomics account is great honestly and has me pocketed

[Ausuka]

Hey I’m the most voted player now! V/LA over the weekend, bye!

tbh reading leo's other games I feel like I might be just wrong about this? idk. Leo didn't you say my vote on gamma was a good point? does that mean you, like agree with it? if so do you plan to vote him or look into him more?

[Ausuka]

is it just me or does leo wagon feel too easy? it's like everyone in the thread rn agrees on it and he feels like newbie lynchbait. also sounds kinda genuine recently past his obvious tonal wakwardness.

VOTE: gemerald is where i lean so far, i feel like his iso is like trying to produce content to the point where it's not immediately obvious that he isn't, and he definitely has a lot of posts, but most of them feel more like posts for the sake of posting than anything else, like the exchange about cheeky being right about porkens; don't get what that was meant to accomplish and honestly most of his posts don't feel like scumhunting at all, the exception being his recent push on Leo where he first opposes it but then switches and sticks to the anti-leo position hard?

wagonomics account is great honestly and has me pocketed

Yeah, there’s virtually no resistance to it but that doesn’t mean it can’t be a bus. Scum is more likely to bus on D1.

His responses to his vote don’t seem genuine to me, Leo’s that is.

Why are you saying the bolded?

What is so overwhelmingly honest about his posting?

His posts are fun and extremely entertaining, I’ll give you that.

Maybe this is just me but I thought scum wouldn't want to throw a newish partner under the bus immediately as their welcome to large games, and try and coach them out of suspicion (assuming they have daytalk but everyone does these days). However if PMs suggest multiball that entire point is less valid since we can't make the default assumption of singleball anymore.

I thought they were genuine? idk

I said the bolded because I wanted to tell them that their posts were great? It wasn't like game related or anything.

[Ausuka]

potato = newbscum

So no reason not to kill it then?

I can very well see sheep being scum too. His latest posts seem really panicky when brought up against Varoon there, and that large post of his basically made no sense to me, dunno if it did for anyone else.

How did Varsoon react poorly to pressure, sheep?

VOTE: Sheep

If you want to kill potato, why are you voting sheep now?

pedit: fair i guess

[Ausuka]

hi i'm alive.

starting to agree with people who say faster days are better. I haven't seen any questions but if there are any please remind me because I totally missed them sorry.

Leo isn't all that towny rn but at the same time he claimed JK and like if that's true lynching him is mega bad and also scum would sort him out later so idrk

[Ausuka]

sheep
nancy drew
cheeky

ausuka
profii
wisdom
purrocet
brie
kokichi

vonflare
jaylow
wagonomics
edo
xtoxm
theta
singleton
lightgan
party boat
vax
gamma

overkill
hebi

leo
varsoon

I don't see either of those being vig kills, anyone disagree?

Currently unsure whether to vote Theta. I mean, if she's scum, there's no motive to counterclaim, right?

[Ausuka]

I mean technically if everyone's up for taking a 3 month break we could?

[Ausuka]

sheep
nancy drew
cheeky

ausuka
profii
wisdom
purrocet
brie
kokichi

vonflare
jaylow
wagonomics
edo
xtoxm
theta
singleton
lightgan
party boat
vax
gamma

overkill
hebi

leo
varsoon

I don't see either of those being vig kills, anyone disagree?

Currently unsure whether to vote Theta. I mean, if she's scum, there's no motive to counterclaim, right?

Ftr if my posts have completely irrelevant quotes in them I probably q+'d them on accident. Tbh I do that a lot.

[Ausuka]

VOTE: gamma
i still think this is the best.

[Ausuka]

I get kokichi was tunneled on potato but he wasn't exactly the only one. And idk what exactly he was meant to do post flip except move on.

[Ausuka]

let's, not lynch koki thanks. gamma lynch is still good; i feel like trying to off the jailkeeper in the day without having to spend a nk on them is scum-motivated and idk why he won't agree to leave kokichi for just one day based on his claim.

also don't replace me please

Kokichi Oma
Vaxkiller
hebichan
TheBrie
singletonking
Theta Alpine
Jaylow7
vonflare
sheepsaysmeep

why is your purge pool 9 players big though? like that's probably almost double the amount of scum in the game and also we can't possibly purge them all within a reasonable timeframe?

[Ausuka]

I can't believe that Varsoon is a cop with a guilty, taking into account that he was voting Kokichi earlier and he's said things that no person with a guilty should say, such as what Party pointed out (i would've quoted it but party ninja'd me lol). Sheep wasn't even his first vote of the day? However I also don't see why scum would do it so it might also be town faking a guilty?

[Ausuka]

Varsoon, Gamma, Jaylow, sheep, and myself are all wagons I am not willing to participate in. I'd rather lynch elsewhere.

such as?

[Ausuka]

isoing low posters and got to you ausuka, and i dont feel one way or the other... so...

VOTE: ausuka.

This isn't a reason to lynch someone.

[Ausuka]

Like I cannot rationalize this behaviour. As far as I can tell I'm not particularly suspected by most people, so how do you expect to actually get a wagon on me and lynch me when you're not even saying that you scumread me? What's the point of what you're doing other than showcasing how you're not jumping on wagons or whatever?

[Ausuka]

hi i'm alive

fl is like, ok i guess? i still wanna lynch gamma, if xtoxm wagon is a thing i could do that too.

[Ausuka]

yeah I'd guess you can't direct quote but it's not specifically in the ruleset that I see

a paraphrased summary of most of the last page of the neighborhood was Flavor telling me to find another scumread or I'd wind up with people suspicious of me later today, him asking xtomx to just say that varsoon claimed hybrid jester/lyncher from the beginning (which does sound like a dumb joke to me but it still sure is a garbage claim and idea), xtomx having a few reads, xtomx and flavor talking about wanting to lynch sheep, and flavor saying that if there's scum in the neighborhood its nancy and that he can tell that nancy knows he's town.

Yeah that’s kinda nasty. I know FL says his scum game is much more manipulative and him acting all good boye in the main thread while doing that is definitely manipulative.
VOTE: Flavor Leaf

I think this doesn't make sense for Gamma's scum pov; Flavour stuck his neck out to defend him so I think scum gamma would take flavour's side or at least not push him in this way. This wagon is dead anyway.

VOTE: Xtoxm

This also reduces the mod's workload since it kills off a replacement slot.

[Ausuka]

wish girls irl would give me as much attention as Nancy does

Why do I get the feeling this is a town post

this post is like not even game related though? why is it towny to you?

[Ausuka]

something really really wacky is going on with the votes?? jingle has 3 votes, wisdom has 0, there are 24 votes in the game? what's going on there?

xyzzy is a they btw.

[Ausuka]

VOTE: Vaxkiller

[Ausuka]

i actually don't understand how vaxkiller is town? like the only arguments i've really seen are fl saying "this is vax as a back pocket mislynch!" which doesn't really make sense because it's day 2 right now? and i don't really see that, otoh from what i remember from some past games with vax he was pretty towny as town in general and i think there was some "too scummy to be scum" in there too which is a fallacy; if someone is being scummy maybe they're just scum, it doesn't just loop around to them being town + i didn't remember that kind of resistance particularly w/leodanny? like correct me if i missed anything but everyone seemed pretty on board with that so i don't get how that applies here but not there.

i started suspecting vax after 1408 for reasons i explained back then; his vote didn't make sense at all.

flav leaf lock town

@mod, can you remove me from the hood, it’s not friendly there anymore. :/

Am I allowed to direct quote from the neighbourhood? Yes or no? I want everyone to know exactly the kind of shit, FL is trying to pull in our hood.

If he have the audacity to post here what he did in there, he’d be quicklynched in no time flat but he thinks he can pressure me and threaten me into sr sheep and it ain’t fucking happening FL. You aren’t scaring me but I’m uberpissed that you really thought I was that fucking stupid, that you could get away with this crap, twice in a row.

I played with town!you in YGM and you never once tried to pull this shit on me. It’s not fucking working, so get the fuck off of me!

Ill vote FL for that

flavour leaf is locktown but nancy makes an angry post about flavour in the hood (it's not at all clear at this point what fl actually did) and like suddenly that locktown read suddenly melts while he's being wagoned? i don't really buy this explanation?

I think this is scum Kokichi

Can I convince inyone in as few as words as possible that Kochiki is scum?

the leap in confidence here is concerning.

Really don't like gammas vote but I think I'll vote
VOTE: sheep

this vote is what made me instantly flip to voting him because he was just voting FL, then kokichi, and now sheep's being wagoned he just goes for sheep. I mean, this post contains 1 reason to vote Gamma and 0 to vote Sheep. From FL to Sheep to Gamma I think he's just going for all the suspects that are popular at the time and jumping between them whenever he feels like it.

[Ausuka]

ausuka do you have some townreads? I wouldn't mind hearing about them if you do

Enter replaces hebichan. votecount forthcoming.

glory fukkin hallelujah only one more to go

sure but i don't have like well reasoned townreads exactly? theta and gamma are both towny based on the roleclaim: I don't think theta would counterclaim Leo as scum and I also don't see the benefit from Gamma's claim, and it also explains his actions earlier from today. kokichi feels towny i guess? and even if i'm not exactly convinced he's actually a real d3 ic, I also think town!kokichi is gambity and there isn't much benefit as scum for that claim. sheep mostly just feels towny to me, mostly a gut thing; however I don't see how a mod who would put two jailkeepers in the same game wouldn't put two jailkeepers and a roleblocker in the same game? at that point it's already a trolly game and anything goes. compared to a mechanic where dead players can send anonymous, restricted messages to the living, or a 24 player shootout, having a lot of protective roles is kind of tame. wagonomics' claim is pretty believable as i'd think at least one role would be related to the main mechanic of this game, and no other role like that has been claimed. also, he just seemed towny with his perspectives and read lists d1. trekkie also seems like a genuine towny to me but i think everyone thinks that.

[Ausuka]

still don't understand why vax is town and as far as i can see nobody has engaged at me at all w/ my posting about him so? like i feel like he's been v scummy and i don't get what's so good about his recent posts either?

[Ausuka]

My ic activates at night and reveals day 3. Dont block me n2 just in case

I don't like this at all. Why would scum (or anyone for that matter) block a claimed IC? You SAYING this, ESPECIALLY after gamma just claiming roleblocker is friggin HIGHLY suspect. Why would town you do this? The answer: they wouldn't.

if you don't think anyone would block kokichi, what's scum!kokichi's motivation for saying this at all?

Wisdom is scum too btw.

[Ausuka]

^lets lynch this

What purpose could this post serve? Why does it exist? Is anyone going to read this post and think, "Oh hey Wisdom just said to lynch Ausuka with no reasoning or anything, let's lynch Ausuka." Because right now all you're doing is being really fucking annoying and if you're town I have no idea why.

[Ausuka]

how is wis scum

Because he's trying to make it look like he's doing things but he's not. How is wis town?

[Ausuka]

He always makes short posts, sure, but unless I'm drastically misremembering he makes some form of engagement and Wagon apparently agrees this isn't exactly his town meta so?

[Ausuka]

Can you point me to the unfakeable posts and important content Vax and Wisdom have made then?

[Ausuka]

Eh. Looks like townWis to me. Reevaluate when we have half as many players is my bet.

Ausuka being so mad about being wagoned is

Also supporting Saudade, sheep, light, Xtoxm, PB. Please choose one of those or convince me otherwise on your pet scumread, because I'm pretty much necessary for the lynch at this point.

I'm mad at Wisdom specifically and even that's only if he's town so ???

[Ausuka]

Why aren't you mad at me? I'm also voting you without talking about why, and in fact started doing so before Wis. And I matter more.

I'd greatly prefer it if you did explain your read and you're definitely making the game even less enjoyable but it's less annoying than just making posts like "x vote ausuka! let's lynch ausuka!" The amount of votes is worse from a gameplay pov but emotions aren't created from what's worse for strategy or whatever. Like I probably sound stupid or whatever but I'm tired and I had an awful day and it's just really grating to me. I shouldn't have mentioned it in the first place, so i'm sorry about that.

[Ausuka]

VOTE: saudade
It's me or him today, I have no reason to tr him, and the slot is absent anyway so...

[Ausuka]

I don't prefer lynching Saudade right now, actually. While that slot has done some scummy stuff like Jaylow's Varsoon vote and Saudade acting weird in general, I feel that the slot has a high chance of being lynchbait right now due to the general absence, plus there's a lack of resistance to the wagon. Plus he's getting replaced soon so I see no reason to lynch him for now.

I'd rather lynch Ausuka. Her recent posts and slight uptick in activity seems like scum trying but struggling to produce content in reaction to pressure, given how most of it is talking about scumreading Vax and Wisdom.

VOTE: Ausuka

i have better reads now though? and since i'm a wagon i have to at least try and produce content to make people tr me, that goes for either alignment. And like am I not supposed to talk about my scumreads because that's news to me?

[Ausuka]

i have better reads now though? and since i'm a wagon i have to at least try and produce content to make people tr me, that goes for either alignment. And like am I not supposed to talk about my scumreads because that's news to me?

?

so like

what "better" reads do you have now exactly

I meant that I have stronger reads, as in two scumreads I believe in rather than just one and I feel more strongly about both. that was unclear sorry. I would argue that my Vax read is now better because I now have more evidence for it but that's an opinion.

[Ausuka]

i have better reads now though? and since i'm a wagon i have to at least try and produce content to make people tr me, that goes for either alignment. And like am I not supposed to talk about my scumreads because that's news to me?

?

so like

what "better" reads do you have now exactly

I meant that I have stronger reads, as in two scumreads I believe in rather than just one and I feel more strongly about both. that was unclear sorry. I would argue that my Vax read is now better because I now have more evidence for it but that's an opinion.

so one is vax

is the other Saud or Gemerald or Xtomx or someone else b/c I can't really tell from your iso
and what makes you feel stronger about them now?

wisdom and i think i've explained it - to be clear i think he's intentionally refusing to engage or give any substance so he can just get by. i wouldn't expect town!wisdom to create walls or anything but i'd expect him to throw out a sentence or two occasionally and making pointless points that don't say anything. i feel stronger about them now because i didn't really know what to make of him before recently and now i think he's scum.

[Ausuka]

say youre an apathetic townie

you see a wagon with 10 votes and one with 5

youll vote the one with 10 without bothering

so what im saying is, get votes on ausuka so apathetic townies can vote her instead of the lurker

I guess this could make sense if people like thought I was scum on a widescale level but as far as I can tell it's really just the wagon and party boat so ?

[Ausuka]

get on ausuka and the people who are actually town on there will follow

They will because ausuka is actually scum while saudade is just bait people are apathetically voting to end the day

then you're having a bad game. that doesn't mean much to me.

[Ausuka]

zzz those quotes shouldn't be there sorry.

[Ausuka]

Vaxkiller is also a good lynch

That push on Ausuka is really flimsy and 2316 doesn't make sense

Vaxkiller is also a good lynch

That push on Ausuka is really flimsy and 2316 doesn't make sense

Spoiler: post 2316

My ic activates at night and reveals day 3. Dont block me n2 just in case

I don't like this at all. Why would scum (or anyone for that matter) block a claimed IC? You SAYING this, ESPECIALLY after gamma just claiming roleblocker is friggin HIGHLY suspect. Why would town you do this? The answer: they wouldn't.

if you don't think anyone would block kokichi, what's scum!kokichi's motivation for saying this at all?

Wisdom is scum too btw.

I think you might be scum ausuka. Your thinking here seems to show you KNOW kochiki is town and cant see him as scum. scum!kochiki knows hes not an IC, so he has to make up something, and saying stuff like , "lol i hope i don;t get blocked cause it activates at night lol" is an explanation for why he WOULDN'T be an IC tomorrow.

Agree, the post don't make much sense. I thinik Ausuka's point is that it there's no reason for town!kokichi to say this, and Vax seems to be sayign that it only doesn't make sense if you think kokichi is town. But when someone makes a post that only makes sense as scum, Ausuka's reaction (or why would you say that if you were town) is perfectly normal.
(For the record, there are some potential reasons for Kokichi to do it as town, so it's nearly NAI, but that's besides the point of Vax and Ausuka)

It looks bad with the rest of his iso which looks bad in general, it's very non-committal.
Vax is the lynch Saudade slot should be

I don't see any reason he isn't besides the fact that Wisdom townreads him which...... wisdom is scum

yes. thank youu

pedit: I mean if I get a sr on mastina sure but I don't really right now so...

From what I've seen I need to change my vote though so;

VOTE: Vax

[Ausuka]

Guys can we seriously not lynch someone in the process of getting replaced

Why not?

[Ausuka]

However, I don't like post #2354 from Ausuka. It feeds into the BS narrative that we HAVE to lynch either my slot or Ausuka today which... I feel is being pushed by scum (more on that later). This is no deadlines mafia, having "no reason to town read someone" is not the best excuse to lynch someone. This would make more sense in a game with deadlines. However, I'm willing to give it a pass because of the heavy narrative being pressed that we NEED a lynch soon and that the game is stalling out.

I think it's more that everyone's feeling exhausted and wants new info than the fact that we "need" a lynch. Of course we don't have to lynch either slot, but other wagons seemed hard to reach and actual good wagons besides that seemed even more far away based on current reads; besides it looked like I would be lynched if not your slot and sorry, but I'd rather sacrifice a slot I don't know is town than my own. The gamestate did feel sort of stalled what with everyone being tired, and even it goes places I don't necessarily think it'll go to better places. And I know that it's not just a scum tactic, because I feel it as well. There's a reason deadlines exist, people get apathetic without them.

[Ausuka]

ausuka being willing to vote saudade to save herself but is happy to die for mastina says a lot tbh

pretty sure mastina has three votes?

then you're having a bad game. that doesn't mean much to me.

that's shit. If you expect town me to do certain things, prove i dont do them as scum.

you know what else is shit? flooding the thread with posts like "lynch ausuka! lynch! lynch!" and repeatedly refusing to give any reasons for it for no apparent reasons!

even if you've played in a different way as scum before, that doesn't mean you can't be scum doing that this time around, and i don't see any reason at all why you'd act like this as town.

[Ausuka]

ive caught scum

no you really haven't! and you definitely don't have a 100% success record as town so if you're town there's no reason to treat this as fact like you are.

never case anyone, thats widely known

Giving a bit of reasoning isn't the same as casing, it takes seconds.

Pedit: She has three votes. That is only a wagon by technicality and it's definitely not a counterwagon. Jingle could vote literally anybody right now and that would be the same size as the mastina wagon.

[Ausuka]

have a lot of homework rn and probably wouldn't post normally idk but this phase of the game feels more important?

Agree with the bolded. I really don’t understand the Ausuka push at all.

Beetlejuicing-ish, LHF, inconsistently treating different players attributing the same behaviors, and easily fakeable posts. TBF, no one has actually explained their SR there until now though.

beetlejuicing is a tell that i haven't seen since 2015 and I have never seen it catch scum once. I thought it died out but I guess not. I'm one of the most relevant people in the game right now since so many people suspect me, am I supposed to avoid times when people are mentioning me or smth?

don't see how I'm LHF-ing, it feels like i'm doing the opposite since my pushes just aren't working and i have to jump on wagons i don't like that much because the ones i do like are so unpopular.

you'll have to give me examples for the third one?

fourth one is like, I guess I can't disprove you if you feel that way, although I'd ask you about the hard-to-fake content coming from vax and wisdom.

VOTE: mastina for now; i feel like the game needs something to move forward with and it appears to be me or her right now - vax wagon is literally just me.

[Ausuka]

i have better reads now though? and since i'm a wagon i have to at least try and produce content to make people tr me, that goes for either alignment. And like am I not supposed to talk about my scumreads because that's news to me?

?

so like

what "better" reads do you have now exactly

I meant that I have stronger reads, as in two scumreads I believe in rather than just one and I feel more strongly about both. that was unclear sorry. I would argue that my Vax read is now better because I now have more evidence for it but that's an opinion.

so one is vax

is the other Saud or Gemerald or Xtomx or someone else b/c I can't really tell from your iso
and what makes you feel stronger about them now?

wisdom and i think i've explained it - to be clear i think he's intentionally refusing to engage or give any substance so he can just get by. i wouldn't expect town!wisdom to create walls or anything but i'd expect him to throw out a sentence or two occasionally and making pointless points that don't say anything. i feel stronger about them now because i didn't really know what to make of him before recently and now i think he's scum.

What do you think of him continually defending me? is that scum wisdom?

Yes? I've already established that I sr you. Why would I tr wisdom for that?

[Ausuka]

I don't think anyone said that.

[Ausuka]

VOTE: party boat guilty report.

[Ausuka]

Ausuka: Leaning a bit Town. I skimmed more than I read the most recent pages, so I'm not too clear why there's a wagon on this slot. I think it's probably a mislynch. She never ever thinks the Leo wagon is a good idea, even before it gets really bad and scum can be sure it'll go through anyway. Nothing in her ISO reads scummy to me so I'm gonna need someone to spell out the case on her. I'd would agree with the narrative that two mislynches are being setup today for town to choose between. However, I don't like post #2354 from Ausuka. It feeds into the BS narrative that we HAVE to lynch either my slot or Ausuka today which... I feel is being pushed by scum (more on that later). This is no deadlines mafia, having "no reason to town read someone" is not the best excuse to lynch someone. This would make more sense in a game with deadlines. However, I'm willing to give it a pass because of the heavy narrative being pressed that we NEED a lynch soon and that the game is stalling out. This could very well be a town survival instinct because of that.

this is easily a dannflor buddy

VOTE: ausuka

Except we were counterwagons? You're definitely scum but I guess I already knew that.

[Ausuka]

and she was my top 1 scum but i dont see why she fakeclaims a guilty here

Good thing we didn’t listen to your push on her.

actually ill just out him because fuck him for not giving me fruit again

vax gave me fruit n1

hence me repeatedly wanting people not to lynch him

given purr is also a fruit vendor though, vax could be scum

Yeah, quite likely.

If anyone wants my reads badly (and I doubt it) Wis/Vax/PB are scum, you know this already.

[Ausuka]

ALSO I feel that I should point out that Jingle was the nightkill last night after bringing up profii's scumlist near the end of the day, which I literally ALSO DID EXACTLY yesterday and tried to lynch fucking both people on it that weren't theta/mastina because the way theta claimed made him obvtown to me

This is a scumclaim btw if anyone missed it and still had doubts. It's hilariously reachy to claim Jingle was killed for any reason other than his ability.
So is Koki's dayvig I think if this turns out multiball at any point in time (see: dannflor's flip.) Hopeful for this flip though so thank you.

The nancy quote is an accident, I pressed q+ on mobile.

[Ausuka]

If Night 2 cop btw so can't give the "other result" PB speaks of. If I had one I'd tell you.

[Ausuka]

So I get the sense Ausuka is scum

Why?

[Ausuka]

So I get the sense Ausuka is scum

Why?

The way you're playing around PB, the way he's playing around you, and the Dannflor interactions PB pointed out that implicate you
VOTE: Ausuka

Elaborate on the first two please because I don't understand at all. And, you really think that scum defending someone makes them scum? You know that's not remotely true.

[Ausuka]

Basically I don't think PB reacts to your play this way as scum. I don't think to same holds true vice versa.
As for the Dannflor interactions, it doesn't always do so but the way in which it happened makes sense as scum defending a buddy

Okay but why? Why doesn't PB do this as scum? Why do I do this as acum? Why do our interactions look so buddyish to you? And assuming this is multiball which it looks like, why would I just kill myself right after my buddy dies, probably only leaving one member remaining versus a likely three on the other team?

[Ausuka]

And why not.

[Ausuka]

I would say I was wrong about changing the Gamma read but like I don't understand why scum behaves like this in the current gamestate, he's probably town. Still though, it's nowhere near LYLO and lynching the guilty is always the best play, not to mention how PB is claiming to have accepted he gets lynched first, while still trying to case me and get me lynched with everything he's got.

[Ausuka]

Basically I don't think PB reacts to your play this way as scum. I don't think to same holds true vice versa.
As for the Dannflor interactions, it doesn't always do so but the way in which it happened makes sense as scum defending a buddy

Okay but why? Why doesn't PB do this as scum? Why do I do this as acum? Why do our interactions look so buddyish to you? And assuming this is multiball which it looks like, why would I just kill myself right after my buddy dies, probably only leaving one member remaining versus a likely three on the other team?

it's pretty unlikely to be multiball now that we only have a 'mafia' flip (except for SK possibilities)

The majority of multiball games are mafia vs werewolves.

[Ausuka]

wait a second I think it could be singleball, and there's probably a design philosophy I just cracked, the setup seems very based on kills and kill stopping.
Which calls into questions an investigative, Ausuka, have you claimed what your role is?

Yes, n2 cop. Also how do fruit vendor shenanigans fit into this, like, at all.

[Ausuka]

I'd also like to point out a lot of things from my iso up until early last week

b/c there sure is a lot of fucking reason in it for ausuka to fake a guilty on me in particular once she's decided that she wants to fake one on someone given that dann just flipped scum and the connections between them

also jingle if you wanted me dead before wait til you read this

now that we have what seems to be just about an ACTUAL FUNCTIONING GAME I'm gonna start jumping between wagons on my scumreads for a bit in the hopes of making an actual wagon happen that can in turn make things happen in the game

So everyone plz pretend that my vote is on all of Flavor/Saud/Ausuka for right now because it might as well be
VOTE: Saudade

VOTE: Ausuka

I don’t understand the Ausuka wagon either.

Why not Saudade?

ausuka just hasn't done shit all game and doesn't have any reads that aren't incredibly easy to fake as scum

i would love a saudade wagon but people gotta be willing to change votes or convince other people to change votes to actually make a lynch happen

if more people haven't hopped on ausuka by tomorrow I'll prob go back to saud. or maybe flavor. gotta do somethin' to help make the game function tho

progressss

VOTE: Saudade

when saudade flips town remember this resistance to voting ausuka

Same thing to Sheep.

so do you actually scumread ausuka or are you just saying that you still scumread sheep?

mostly b/c assuming you're town for a second the entire reason varsoon had a fakeclaiming hissy fit was because I told him he was playing like shit and there was zero chance of sheep actually getting enough votes to be lynched today

which is in fact still true for sheep but not for ausuka

i have better reads now though? and since i'm a wagon i have to at least try and produce content to make people tr me, that goes for either alignment. And like am I not supposed to talk about my scumreads because that's news to me?

?

so like

what "better" reads do you have now exactly

i have better reads now though? and since i'm a wagon i have to at least try and produce content to make people tr me, that goes for either alignment. And like am I not supposed to talk about my scumreads because that's news to me?

?

so like

what "better" reads do you have now exactly

I meant that I have stronger reads, as in two scumreads I believe in rather than just one and I feel more strongly about both. that was unclear sorry. I would argue that my Vax read is now better because I now have more evidence for it but that's an opinion.

so one is vax

is the other Saud or Gemerald or Xtomx or someone else b/c I can't really tell from your iso
and what makes you feel stronger about them now?

VOTE: saudade

i dislike an ausuka lynch because she has villagery content and saudade because he's just a null lurker but is in everyones poe anyway shrug

l-2

tell me more of this villagery content

what exactly is villagery from ausuka in your opinion?

Let's just quickly make sure the game isn't going to fall apart and...

votecount 2.16

8 players voting for Saudade (Wagonomics, Nancy Drew 39, TheBrie, light_ganski, Trekkie99, Party Boat, mastina, vonflare)

mod notes: if Saudade doesn't show up in the next day or so he will be replaced.

Wow. Alright. Someone explain why we're wagoning the lurker?

Jaylow (who saud replaced) made two posts, the first of which was in my opinion very bad, and then ceased to exist

Saud replaced in with a decent amount of goodwill from flavor leaf and other people happy that the slot had finally been replaced, made a series of profoundly mediocre posts with no content aside from a nancy scumread for about 4 days, and then also ceased to exist

of the 5 weeks or so the game has been open the slot has posted on six of those days. people can agree that the slot should die and cannot agree that another slot should die

so killing it is super fine. perhaps even ULTRA-fine. if you want to post some thoughts tonight I can unvote until tomorrow if you want but given that you've said you'll be V/LA over the weekend and that both of the wagons atm I'm quite happy with you can bug some other people if you want the lynch to be on hold for longer than that.

VOTE: unvote

Hi Dann

tell us ur thoughts when you get around to reading some stuff

I'm not going to have time read up on this today or tonight, sorry

if I haven't posted by thursday evening feel free to hassle me until I get back and do shit

Ok so sure you bussed saud and you scumread me. You weren't the only one and tbh if I was scum I would've gone for wisdom not you.

[Ausuka]

if I was scum I would've gone for wisdom not you.

why?

if PB is lynched as town then I flip scum, Wisdom is probs conftown for the rest of the game. if wisdom is lynched as town then I flip scum you could argue PB just didn't care which buddy he bussed and wanted the towncred either way. also, wisdom has shown an ability to get a wagon on me without like actually giving reasons so he'd probably be a threat to scum if he like gave reasons for pushing them.

[Ausuka]

he seemed like a player who was reasonably competent to the point where he wouldn't be a bad IC, if I guiltied him I wouldn't be accused of town faking a guilty (vax and wisdom) and I don't think he was very likely to get nightkilled and waste an invest, so I thought he'd be a good invest.

[Ausuka]

Damn this game has a lot of dayvigs.

I'm probably a random cop or smth this game is bastard anuways.

[Ausuka]

also, this game might have other bastard elements

Just saying.

[Ausuka]

VOTE: Ausuka

[Ausuka]

THANK GOD i didn't think i was going to get through that. I'm glad I went for the safe route of trying to get PB lynched first because if I didn't I had no chance at all.

I was day 3+ jester. i'm not that big a fan of my role design tbh; I had no wincon for two days and my wincon today actively misled me by incentivising me towards acting as scummy as possible, when that would make me lose the game with all the dayvigs around. It wasn't really any fun to play fmpov and as people noticed I had a hard time caring when I couldn't really do anything to advance my wincon for over two months.

You can believe me or not but you'll see when I flip so...

[Ausuka]

that's not to say i don't appreciate the effort into modding this for so long and maybe it's my fault somehow but idk.

I would give you reads I guess but I honestly don't know what to say. The wisdom read was fake. I actually thought vax might be scum but I was totally wrong w/ that. If I had to hipgun it I would say light, Gamma, singleton, maybe purr (somebody defending me d2) if it's singleball. idk if it's multiball but if it isn't scum had a literal field day today and that very much points to Gamma so if you're a vig shoot there I guess.

[Ausuka]

maybe purr (somebody defending me d2)

fl might work better here actually? idk i'm a jester so ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[Ausuka]

What did you become if you did not get lynched d3? Did you become survivor or just lose?

I was a d3+ jester not a d3 jester. That's why I tried to get PB lynched even before dayvigs, I was 1shot BP to help a little, so I wasn't worried about being shot n3. So I'd just stay in my current role and try to get lynched again.

[Ausuka]

thoughts on whether vonflare is something similar? I've been trying to decide what to do with death miller claim... if he is bp jester that would explain his play significantly

I was always under the impression that the deathmiller claim was a joke? I don't really know if it's a real claim, it's not like he's making a real effort to get lynched and it looks like all the roles trigger after day three. At least after n1 I think he would've been more vary of a vig?

[Ausuka]

I would agree but like LAL isn't really a thing anymore and nobody wants to lynch him as evidence as that? also even if it's an effective strategy, from an enjoyment pov I can't imagine someone actually wanting to prodge for so long without actually doing anything?

[Ausuka]

I kind of get a gut feeling enter is town. I would say the bit where he said he enjoyed this is scummy but I don't really think scum would be so open about the fact.

{Brie, enter, kokichi} contains 0 scum if singleball or 1 if multiball I think so that pool (specifically the first two in this context and kokichi is towny anyway) isn't worth looking at right now. I think there isn't more than one dayvig in a scumteam. It's also possible somebody else had a vig shot but I was lynched before they used it I guess

pedit: Uhhh I didn't miscalculate did I? I was at L-2, 7 votes, 9 to lynch, Koki voted me, I selfhammered?

[Ausuka]

Woah, that's a strange role. But I enjoy playing town and I won already so sure.

[Ausuka]

He said he thought wisdom was 3p because of meta but he didn't try to lynch Wisdom at any point, I wouldn't really classify that as 3p hunting.

Vonflare vote does make sense imo; it's kinda lame if lurkers survive to endgame because people think it's suspicious to vote them, I think that if you're not posting content to the degree vonflare is it's perfectly acceptable to vote him for that, especially with his claim that may or may not be fake.

I need to go look at the mastina lynch because I just wanted to get a wincon and didn't really care who we lynched so I wasn't really paying attention.

[Ausuka]

If this was singleball I guess it's possible wisdom's some strange fruity 3p but otherwise I think he's just town here, everything I said about him being scummy was basically a lie, he'd do what he did as town I think.

[Ausuka]

Hey Wagon, if you were a governor you'd tell me right?

[Ausuka]

I don't exactly know if it ends the game but I really doubt it. I don't see why that would make sense at all. What do you mean by "not fun" - is there a problem with how I won? I thought it was the most foolproof and efficient way to win and didn't really see anything wrong with it.

I'm referring to the part where Wagon said Wisdom might be 3p a few times, which is assumedly what Enter was commenting on when he talked about wagon third-party hunting. I think wisdom is town.

[Ausuka]

gg. thanks for modding xyzzy. Enter vs tw in twilight was my favourite thing ever.