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VOTE: wagonomics you post stealing carpet.

Ugh. Ninjad

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I feel like scum is in the lurkers

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Uhhh...

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A rather controversial twist is the Death Miller, whose alignment is shown as "Mafia" by the Moderator upon death. This has been argued and discussed in Ethics Threads as a source of distrust in the Moderator, which most people feel should not be tolerated. Thus, the Death Miller is an particularly scarcely-used role even in bastard mod games. - Wiki

Hmm how ethical is the mod?

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<--- this is my trust face.

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<--- this is my trust face.

I've never been in a neighborhood :'(

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I dislike this logic. Just because you infiltrated a community in the past does not mean someone is automatically infiltrating that community.

Really? I took it as quite towny that he opens already intent on looking for decent avenues to push. You serm to be taking this too seriously.

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I'm sad about the speed of this game. So far townleaning vonflare, Profii and Varsoon.

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FB can be town too lol.

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I'm sad about the speed of this game. So far townleaning vonflare, Profii and Varsoon.

What the fuck are you sad about speed-wise

I'm struggling to keep up!

Why are you so grumpy?

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Porkens can be town too.

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Porkens can be town too.

no

why would you think this

Our wavelengths are on point.

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Porkens can be town too.

no

why would you think this

Our wavelengths are on point.

Based on?

His vote on Brie. What do you think of her reaction?

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Ok let me put it this way.

I was pinged by Brie's entrance. I continued to observe people to see if anyone else felt the same and it looks like Porkens did.

What makes it towny coming from porkens is the simple naked vote - getting straight down to business and not trying to look overly towny.

Brie's reaction escalated quickly from "it could be a personality thing" to "maybe they're both scum." Under little pressure and with missing logic.

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Why wouldn't it seem like clutching at threads? I literally am as there's nothing else to go off.

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I'm liable to believe that at least one of the four people in my PT is scum, which is why I decided to out the PT in the first place.
That said, it's a fallacy to assume that the same ratio of town to scum in the main thread applies to any PT, so I'd prefer we didn't hunt out of that PT group.

VOTE: Profii

Bad post

I kind of agree after a closer look. I interpreted this as:

"I think there's scum in my neighborhood so I outted"
"It's dumb to think there's scum in my hood"
*votes Profii for thinking scum is in the hood"

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I think it's just wifom at this stage - there may or may not be scum in the 'hood.

True. Do you think his vote on you is RVS?

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!!!

Sheep!

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VOTE: Kokichi

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Varsoon feels like noncaring town. Bad wagon.

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donut invest means? Could you explain?

I'm trying to decide whether it's too weird to be real, or too weird to be made up.

Lol I read it as "do not invest"

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It means "don't investigate me."

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I haven't played with sheep in a long time. Last I remember he wasn't quite this analytical but I'll brush that off until I'm clearer on his intent.

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definitely some scum on this wagon

Any guesses?

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Lol, so you think there's scum on the wagon but you don't know who and why the wagon is?

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I'm liable to believe that at least one of the four people in my PT is scum, which is why I decided to out the PT in the first place.
That said, it's a fallacy to assume that the same ratio of town to scum in the main thread applies to any PT, so I'd prefer we didn't hunt out of that PT group.

VOTE: Profii

nah I didn't think this was RVS at the time because I did something and Varsoon voted me for it - that's not random.

It's arguably low-info voting stage, which is how I like to deal with RVS which is why I said we are "emerging" from truly random into "low info" where the cases are generally poop but the game gets going.

That being said, we have to start somewhere, so we have the quote above and the quote below

'cus it's a fallacy to assume the same ratios exist within a neighborhood.
If we're all town in there and I make the mistake of assuming one of us is scum, then I have a 100% chance of mislynching if I concentrate there, whereas the game thread ALWAYS has the assured setup ratio.
And I know if I mislynch in there I'll sunk cost it and keep lynching in there
and if they all flip town then I know I'm up shit creek for being the last one left.
Does that make sense?

we also have 15 where Varsoon basically says "there is a hood"

It was ME that suggested there could be scum in the hood in my haste when I thought we had deadlines to which, Varsoon made post 49...

he says

"I'm liable to believe that at least one of the four people in my PT is scum"

what does "I'm liable to believe" even mean? kinda feels a bit like he's saying "it'll be you lot that leads me into lynching within the hood, not me pushing it" almost a bit "not my fault we mislynched" so you could _conclude_ he is shifting blame for inevitable mislynches - how we he know if it's a mislynch? if he is scum in the hood

so I don't like that turn of phrase.

So then he goes a bit further into the logical fallacy of it all - which is true but, given the vibe I'm getting from above it again comes over as "yeah sure hunt in the hood if you want, but I aint leading that shit because I wont get stitched up for that mislynch, so I suggest hunting outside the hood, which puts me at a lot less risk"

again this phrase:

"And I know if I mislynch in there I'll sunk cost it and keep lynching in there"

he is right - if we restrict the lynch pool and commit to lynching in the hood, we _could_ end up doubling down


so yeah I don't like this at all

VOTE: Varsoon

VOTE: varsoon

Ladies and gentlemen. We got em

Because of the bad post I quoted last time I was on. I forgot to vote him

so im basically caught up

it was a quick skim with breaks in between so i prolly missed things but theres a depressingly low amount of exciting things actually happening and all of my thoughts on players are weaker than i'd like

stronger reads that i feel ok with rn are vonflare, cheeky as villagers and pretty uncomfortable with varsoon

VOTE: varsoon

have some iso's that i want to look at later once school is out

So this has started...

I will in general be most active on the weekends until the end of the year. The holiday season is always super busy for me.

No real reads yet except one, not much of note has been said beyond the neighborhood claim and recent setup spec discussion, by the same person...

who is the one person I have a solid read on right now.

VOTE: Varsoon

I think this is the whole wagon. The AVarsoons.

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I know why and i remember kokichi being on it
And a guy i don't know

Why do you think there's "definitely" scum there?

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I don't know why but Kokichi's "I forgot to vote him" is pinging me as uncharacteristic. Not sure I like his reaction - accusing me of WK'ing is pretty funny. Even if it were logical to WK (White Knight @Brie) in multiball I don't see how that benefits my position as scum sticking my neck out that early.

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you win once no members of opposing factions are alive.

members of opposing factions

opposing factions

factions

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I wonder if scum got the same wincon? Otherwise this seems town spewy.

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Actually I think it was a townslip - don't think scum reveals that.

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Oh derp. I looked for one and missed it at the bottom. Was looking for a spoiler. Well there goes that theory >.>

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I don't know why but Kokichi's "I forgot to vote him" is pinging me as uncharacteristic. Not sure I like his reaction - accusing me of WK'ing is pretty funny. Even if it were logical to WK (White Knight @Brie) in multiball I don't see how that benefits my position as scum sticking my neck out that early.

Forgetting to vote is scummy now. Thanks. I'll add that to my checklist.

No forgetting to vote is fine, explaining you forgot to vote seems unnecessary.

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that doesnt actually confirm multiball in any way?

it's very technical but that could be translated as "members of any potentially existing opposing factions"

I'd be surprised if a game this size didn't at least have 3 factions in it even if it's just Scum v Town v 3p.

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going to make this disgusting read but cheeky is 95% angleshot town after that exchange

Yay I accept my nomination for 1st NK. Thank you.

Pedit: Jfc lol..

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But someone asked..? Want me to just be mysterious instead

Well that's the point. You usually are iirc.

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I'm too lazy :/

Pedit maybe not then.

VOTE: Profii

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Sheep what happened to vonflare?

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wow

that actually caused a lot more discussion then i thought it would
not yet sure about my reads after that though
a little bit tired at the moment so it is a bit hard to put two and two together

however i will say i am slightly town-reading emerald now

emerald appears to be doing some amount of player sorting which at this stage of the game is important

i would also state that party boat is probably town
i believe they are fishing for reactions with those votes

This reads awkward and hedgy.

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so the imminent truth is that i have to try to read wagonomics later which is going to be aids

I mean I think their stances will easier to analyze?
Don’t feel like it’s a towny system though

It seems more like it's the threads' overall stances rather than personal stances. I think my stock along with Drewva's crashed because our lynches look unlikely at this point. It'll be interesting to see how long he keeps it up for.

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Oh sorry I'm too used to it. Sorry Nancy.

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Ausuka
Gamma
Hebi
Kokichi
Nancy
Sheep
TheBrie
Varsoon
Vonflare
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Overkill
Edosurist
Jaylow7
Leodanny
Party Boat
Profii
Purrcocet
Singletonking
Theta Alpine (probably SK)
Vaxkiller
Wagonomics
Wisdom
Xtoxm

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Is that town above line, and null to scum below the line? I see you've got each section in alphabet order. Theta SK, because she mentioned they might exist?

Kind of? Like people I wouldn't lynch today and null/can die.

Yeah the mention and I find some posts awkward so not town. It's still early game though so it's more a note for later. My main concern is not allowing scum above the line - Sheep is probably my biggest concern but I'm going to sheep Nancy's read until I see reason to believe otherwise.

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They're in alphabetical order because that's the order I ISO skimmed people in.

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VOTE: Leodanny

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Why Leo over Jay? I could really lynch Jay.

youve literally never talked about them

at least try harder to sell me on a 1 poster


it's pretty hard to have read leo's iso and prefer a 1 poster as a lynch

Honestly just realllly hated his varsoon vote.

I agree with this but we may as well wagon people who are here to respond atm.

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Why Leo over Jay? I could really lynch Jay.

Leo is now 23 posts deep - he has had a chance to mess around in RVS and start doing something... let's give the 1 poster/nothing ISOs a chance to shine or hang themselves a bit more... this is a no deadline game after all, I suppose we have to excuse the less hasty for a bit

We can push leo whenever we want though. It's no rush.

p-edit: Suppose so. Best argument I've seen.

VOTE: Leo

Oh beat me to it.

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Why Leo over Jay? I could really lynch Jay.

makes me think you're scum with leo

Honestly just realllly hated his varsoon vote.

He didn't elaborate on his vote, so how did you get there
Unless that's what you're scumreading him for it just looks like you're choosing to vote someone with 1 nai post over a slot that hasn't scumhunted and you're soft wking it

....

i stepped away from this post for like 6 minutes and you completely 180

Looks like you 180'd on your sheep the Hebi plan.

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KokichiCoin has further depreciated in VALUE

wth i haven't even done anything so far this game. have i?

So why are you calling me out for not doing things while Kokichi has actually said he hasn’t done anything?
VOTE: Kikochi Oma

Leo why are you voting Koki here and not wagonomics?

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Cause I don’t KNOW anything ABOUT wagonomics, he’s barely posted 5 times.

What do you know about Koki?

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VOTE: gemerald is where i lean so far, i feel like his iso is like trying to produce content to the point where it's not immediately obvious that he isn't, and he definitely has a lot of posts, but most of them feel more like posts for the sake of posting than anything else

I feel like scum gamma would enter the game less weirdly if that makes sense. The amount of real content is NAI tbh.

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I expect PB to obvtown at some point.

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Hebichan; in the span of two or three posts, goes from suspecting a one poster to sheeping the person that said they would sheep her, nice one.

Hebichan < Purrcocet.

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Looking through Spud meta makes me more confident in this wagon.

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Hey I’m the most voted player now! V/LA over the weekend, bye!

Guys flip this rotten potato. A fast day is a good day.

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Also he's a newbie, so surface level reads of his play are fine. If it smells like a spud and tastes like a spud...then it's probably scum?

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Sheep and Varsoon wagons are bad.

They're voting each other though?

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Less thinking more voting.

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Sheep and Varsoon wagons are bad.

They're voting each other though?

Yeah but I think there both town. They’re both reading town tonally to me.

It's a weird thought to have though. Their wagons consist of one player apart from them who are your townreads. Did you mean they are bad votes not bad wagons? Bad wagons implies the constituents are scummy to me.

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530 was pretty scummy tbh. Why wouldn't town lynch scum just because they're newbscum?

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530 was pretty scummy tbh. Why wouldn't town lynch scum just because they're newbscum?

Didn’t she say, “no reason not to kill it then”?

I guess you're right... but then she votes sheep? Her actions and words seem to be doing two different things.

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Tis true. One day I'll be right though.

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meh i had some short second thoughts on cheeky last night for a bit

It's cute that you think about me but why would you question my loyalty?

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Ok, actually catching up now.

I dislike this logic. Just because you infiltrated a community in the past does not mean someone is automatically infiltrating that community.

Really? I took it as quite towny that he opens already intent on looking for decent avenues to push. You serm to be taking this too seriously.

Why would you call voting in a neighbourhood a 'decent avenue to push'?

I'm not?

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So what were you talking about?

How it looked like he started to scumhunt?

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gamma might be scum btw
last few posts reminded me of scum him

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Ya I'm pretty sure I'm still gonna want Leo dead once everyone's popped in to post this week

What does people popping in have to do with anything?

Like all his posts are just so devoid of anything that feels like genuine scumhunting

Who needs to look like they're scumhunting more? Town or scum?

I'm not particularly inspired by your posting this game.

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Like to stir the pot I'm going to say that I think spud is just floundering town and I'm being lazy because I can't be bothered trying to sort this big ass game, let alone try to get another feasible wagon through.

The folks circling the potential easy mislynch slot, like sheep and PB are the most suspicious.

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Maybe Gamma/Hebi too but will need to reread.

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I didn't say entertained I mean looking at the content of what posts you have made it seems more like you're trying to look town, with all the reiterations of pressure on Spud, rather than actually being town.

I do note the Jaylow post as bad though. Not sure that clears you in this unknown setup yet.

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VOTE: Gamma Emerald

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Mmmm milkshake.

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My tarot cards say PB is scum.

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Sweet potatoes.

VOTE: Leodanny

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Next time just lynch him instead of letting people blah blah blah the thread up. We almost had him early game.