Prey Mafia - Game Over

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Is it "fashionably late" if both the term and trueness of it is at least a decade and a half out of style?
As far as bailing on wagons goes, well one person doing so is fine, as L-1 is pretty dangerous. But at a safer L-2, why did you unvote, Varsoon? Could have let some of that pressure linger a bit.
@mcqueen, are you usually sparse with your votes? I'm not exactly trigger happy myself but RVS is RVS, and if you have a halfway decent reason to vote anyway, why not? Are you unsure of something?
also, with so many people in the neighborhood, there is almost definitely at least one scum (or possible other faction), unless the mod just wanted to mess with us.

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I mean I tend to vote as necessary. I made an RVS vote. I just chose to be sparse because, to reiterate, it was clear who I was pressuring. Is the point of a vote, if not to lynch, to apply pressure? If that’s already there, is a vote obligatory?

Not necessarily, but it's common to do so just for that extra nudge. I can respect a cautious playstyle though.

I want to call BEF, Chara, Enter, and actually maybe mcqueen town.

This is a very neutral read list, boring as bread. You think this is just some town spat then, maybe with a poke from scum? Do you have any fingers to point?

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i’m not sure I understand the first sentence. it’s the way it’s worded. Can you rephrase, please?

Essentially I don't believe that a bare answer like the one persivul gave means anything and I think it's somewhat prima facie scummy to ascribe meaning to it. But there are people that will do that as town even if I think it's incorrect.

This is a very neutral read list, boring as bread. You think this is just some town spat then, maybe with a poke from scum? Do you have any fingers to point?

Why yes, in fact, I have a vote down!

You?

Oh, you're right. Funny, I was just thinking, if those are your town reads, you'd probably find Varsoon suspicious. But I don't know whether to accredit that thought to me or the fact I must've just skimmed your vote earlier.
Unfortunately, or fortunately, I have just missed RVS, and so will need a bit of time to think about voting.
I kind of agree with your thought on Persivul, not that it was a little scummy, but on not wanting to give credit for a purely informational answer. Some people just talk down to earth, a trait which can make someone easy to trust, and so doesn't mean much in mafia unless it's some giveaway.

Also in what way is that reads list "neutral"? In what way is calling 1/3 of the player list town "neutral"?

This is a very neutral read list, boring as bread.

You think this is just some town spat then, maybe with a poke from scum?

Do you have any fingers to point?

uh he's like the first person to give townreads on any of {bef/chara/enter}, how is this 'neutral' or 'boring'?
(especially since the enter read is fairly controversial given the l1 wagon we just had on him)
also what does this bolded mean?

"(especially since the enter read is fairly controversial)"
that's exactly why it's neutral. Pardon the comparison, but it's like implosion (town-)voted the republican, democrat, and third party. It almost says nothing. Unless he was thinking something else, having to do with Varsoon. If that's what he's looking at, it's more understandable.
Huh, what did I mean?

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I wonder why Varsoon was so confident putting someone at L-1 since, by that point, he surely must have known his earlier vote was counted? The mod could've decided that if the night action submission wasn't explicit then it didn't count, and would not have fixed the VCs, especially if he later tried to take advantage of the fact. Just a bit of a gamble. Mcqueen is right in that being able to go voteless midday is pretty manipulative, and while that was't what was intended to happen, it effectively did.
Feels like I've been thinking too much about this I admit, don't want to put a magnifying glass on a piece of dust. At the moment, I'm wondering what his thought process there was exactly.

What are Almost50 and Robert's thoughts so far? Other than passive commentary and band talk.

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Ah okay, I'll let this train of thought go then.

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You could still paraphrase, unless you feel it pointless.

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Considering BEF is in the neighborhood, I had assumed Enter wasn't looking out for his reaction, but those of other people's.
Seeing his recent posts, I don't know if this is just more of his games or he really picked up something on BEF.

Sorry to bring up the hood again, but, if I were to take a guess on this:
Personally, if I were in BEF's position, I would play along to see what reads could be accrued. There is a PT after all, it could be a good use for it. This is the kind of attitude Enter might have been looking for.
Now the first responses in the main thread could be seen as playing along, but long past that, up to now, BEF takes issue with it (worried or not). Which may be why Enter seems to be legitimately pushing him now?
I don't think it's working though.

As an aside, keep in mind it is highly likely one of the neighbors is scum.

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Persivul has a decent amount of content in his isos, if a little directionless, so maybe "active" scum.
Zito is like wise man of few words.
That's if you were to compare them directly. Perisvul would be nowhere near close to the first person I'd lynch.

@Enter
That's a rather brave assumption about the hood.

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@skitter30
My sig is hidden (post count I believe) but you can view it on my profile, it has a link to my old account. However it is from 4/5 years ago, so. There's also a short game on this account.
Elsewhere, it's mostly IM games or live. Over all, not the most experienced.

If we get a red flip from the hood crew I'm fine going back there but until then it may as well be Chernobyl.

Until we're de facto masons? Sounds like a plan. Wouldn't vote on someone in there specifically to achieve this, though.

didn't you just say you were thinking there's a good chance the hood is all town? i know that's an obvious question, but.

Yes, but

there are two ways to approach this:
1. Lynch outside hood to see if it comes up red (if so, and we can draw conclusions that the other is red, then inside is green)
2. Lynch scummiest inside hood to see if it comes up green (if two people come up green in hood, it's p safe to say the rest are green, IMO)

Sure this is a brave stance to take, but hey, I like to take chances.

I'm sorry friend but both of those conclusions are terrible. Especially so if it turns out there's a third party.

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Wonder if Almost50 has a weird role, or just isn't interested in this game.

Yeah, you're right. I just got excited. I don't remember playing anything other than VT so I got a little excited getting to be in a hood. (although my game history says I was in a hood game once? My memory is shoddy)

If scum dt didn't exist, I would think you were scum, and I was scum, based off of these kinds of exchanges.

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@skitter30 because Almost50 has said just about nothing useful the entire game despite having a presence. Maybe he is third party?
Related to that
VOTE: Almost30
Until he decides to respond to me.

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I was hoping to comment this earlier but, the repeated mentioning of a third party was mostly an "open to possibilities" thing that I only took into serious consideration trying to get a read on a50. By that point I'd already brought it up a few times, so it does feel like I'm repeating myself.
Of course mentioning this doesn't change my standing.

Sorry for the nothing post, I'll have to come back to all this later today.
@Elbirn I understand the Chara read but could you explain implosion a bit?

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Naked votes are lack of effort and scummy.

I don't think it's

truly

naked. It's backed by opinions and doubts about him already expressed by others. Going where the wind takes him, sort of speak.

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@BEF Varsoon/Elbirn is too obvious. Do they like to play with fire? Do you think they've slipped already?

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Like I said, feels too obvious, so I wonder. Will have to come back to it when I finish going through Varsoon. Didn't notice the small maybe-connection with Minh.

Elbirn's implosion read is a little surprising to throw out there. Don't know if that improves his standing in my eyes, means he's good at scum, or the two are buddies. Roll a die with 2/3/1 chances.

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Sorry catching up.

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@Elbirn
About A50:
Mostly, I can't get the slightest read on him. He is blatantly unhelpful to town, hints that he's taking it all in and holding his cards close, but for all I know he'll keep drip-feeding his thoughts and then make more excuses. So maybe he's scum playing a game, but he's weirdly confident, so I wanted to poke it. Of course, he doesn't give.

About implosion:
I'm torn between agreeing it's a good attitude and the fact that example was low-hanging fruit.
Hadn't gone through his posts when I questioned your read, but now that I have:
From 318, I don't think both implosion and A50 would be scum. My vote's on A50 still, and is my preferred vote between the two of them. The best way to put it is I don't trust A50, because he has given me nothing to trust. That may be a tick mark above gut feeling, but for D1 it's something.
At the time implosion started needling Varsoon, it could've be taken as jumping on a viable target (to mislynch or build cred), but jumping off of 664, I believe I understand what he's trying to say here. Like there's a hidden intent to the aggressiveness. More staged than real exasperation. Either to push him back or misconstrue his character.
His town read of Enter and BEF make sense with his Varsoon read. But that was early game, and it's possible I encouraged it.
In conclusion: he's town for today, meaning I wouldn't lynch him now. Unlike most of the time where I compulsively list possibilities regardless of my read, in this case the way I interpret his actions could easily flip-flop.

Enter is slight scum read for over eagerness. Papa for not paying attention, and mcqueen for policy and mainly spamming.

Varsoon is to hard to read to say any read on, in one sense I've found his posts a bit more helpful but at the same time I feel our reads are entirely different and wondering if maybe his posting is messing with me like A50 dose.

VOTE: Implosion

I think I got everybody, but I'm on my phone away from my notes and going off of memory over a confusing game due to the players mostly.

Course I could be being thrown for a loop

Your stance on mcqueen makes less sense than crocs coming back and even if you explained it to me I'm not confident I would understand, and I couldn't tell you if that is on you or me for the possible reason one of us is insane.
Your ambivalence on Varsoon sounds weak. Not the fact he is a neutral read, because that is understandable, but the non-specific reasons. "Could be being thrown for a loop", it's one thing to think it, and another to say it, especially like that.

I know Zito wasn't asking me, but Persivul sounds like he's trying to lead people along, and using the pressing deadline to obfuscate the sudden push.
Would rather lynch him, actually. Decent SR on him anyway. This doesn't have to do with any read on Robert, for the record. This could easily be a bus.
VOTE: Persivul
More pending

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You know, I did think there was at least one vote on Persivul.

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This is ignoring just about everything else at the moment but:
If the "giver of abilities" is town, I'd hazard to say a lynch isn't strictly necessary, depending on how many people have confidence in this being between T/S (or S/S) and about how helpful the ability would be (in general and in the context of a forgone lynch).
And if the ability isn't used today/night, then it's worth remembering for a future day.
...Unless there's a third party, where of course NL is a terrible idea.

At any rate, a few are probably holding out. The air smells bloody.

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@redtea:

in you r recent post, you sound like you're scumreading robert
given that he's your cw i'm not entirely following why you don't just vote him instead of voting persivul?
there's like less than two days left, do you think a persivul wagon is viable rn?

and if you think persivul might be bussing robert why aren't you voting robert ... ?

The focus was on Persivul, and that he looked scummy whether or not robert is scum. A robert vote was irrelevant.
I think you had something else directed at me earlier but I'm having trouble finding it, or remembering wrong.

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Bad Lynch > No Lynch > Very Bad Lynch.

Redtea is a Very Bad Lynch. Allow me to say what I know if you put her at L-1.

Anyone down for an Enter lynch? This is not the 1st or 2nd time he has promised info at a later point only to fail to deliver. Now he is stating he has info that would stop a redtea lynch 5 hours from deadline...

It's way too late in the day for vague fake promises enter.

The first I think was revealed by others and admitted to by him. The second, you'll have to remind me.

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I hope we have a more charitable doctor than that.

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Oh, right. Conducive to the whole "no one wants to vote" thing, if we are avoiding NL and my death.
VOTE: Robert2424