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[Alacrity]

Good morning! I look forward to playing with all of you today. =)

VOTE: insomnia

[Alacrity]

Good morning! I look forward to playing with all of you today. =)

VOTE: insomnia

@alacrity Are you an alt? what kind of mafia experience do you have?

[/vote]Alacrity[/vote]

We have played before, actually! =)

[Alacrity]

We have played before, actually! =)

neat

also bleh

because I have a pet theory that your opening post is scum-indicative for very new players, but not necessarily anyone else.

My first post is there to help me get the footing of how Alacrity talks. I need that, otherwise I get found out too fast.

Is this enough to explain it?

[Alacrity]

We have played before, actually! =)

neat

also bleh

because I have a pet theory that your opening post is scum-indicative for very new players, but not necessarily anyone else.

My first post is there to help me get the footing of how Alacrity talks. I need that, otherwise I get found out too fast.

Is this enough to explain it?

Ah, I actually didn't need explanation outside of knowing this wasn't your first game.

I only have data to signify that it is significant for very new players.

I can't be arsed to try and guess mains, but pm me later if we have a good game? ;P

Feel free to! I want an alt that is not likely to be linked back to me, so knowing what to avoid doing will help.

[Alacrity]

Can I guess?

No! You already know who I am!

[Alacrity]

Ugh...I need a few people to start interacting more to help me out here.

Alacrity is here!

Is there something specific you would like me to comment on?

[Alacrity]

Voting the only person you know?
Isn't that a bit counter-intuitive?

Maybe, why?

I don't know, just a question that went through my mind when reading your post, so I'm asking since I'm curious.

Now that you've thought about it, do you think there is anything either bad or scum-indicative about voting for someone you know?

In general? I don't think so, it was more genuine curiosity. I haven't seen anyone do this on the other places I played unless it was like, a private joke or something.

It's like "out of all the people you could vote you pick that one person you know! Why???"

Nothing much that I would like to comment on, but these two posts are at least interesting. It might be overacted?

[Alacrity]

Not over-reacted, over-acted.

Post 49 was a good continuation, why was post 50 needed?

[Alacrity]

I'm less happy about three votes on Locke and lots of one-vote vanity wagons.

I also get bad gut feels from the above.

Should I jump on locke with you?

My gut and experience tells me urap isn't this sheep-y as town.

VOTE: urap

Hello! Do you have any experience with u r a person 2 from before this game?

VOTE: nomnomnom

I like this vote, the nomnomnom post before it was not very good.

Good morning! I look forward to playing with all of you today. =)

VOTE: insomnia

VOTE: lovebird because I dont know anyone else

Like half the players in this game had already voted at this point and neither of you voted on someone with a vote already on them. Just why?

Seriously, more wagons with more than 1 vote please, need to turn up the heat in here

It's like "out of all the people you could vote you pick that one person you know! Why???"

Well, I like your logic and questions so far. It feels genuine. I think what you're asking is good for town in general, and it's putting me at ease to have someone ask me what I think since it's my first game in here. I'm feeling strong town vibes from you.

Hmmmm

Should I jump on locke with you?

Do you usually ask for permission to join a wagon?

Why do we need more wagons?

is it really sheeping if he hasn't voted Locke? I feel you're jumping the gun here.

Overly cautious about a non-wagon, tried to dissuade it (probs for town credit).

This looks town to me!

Lovebird and n_m are concerning me.

Lovebird especially.

Is this because they are on the same wagon as you, or for other reasons? It is confusing to me when you later say this about them.

Because they are not D1 sorts for me.

Speaking of which.

How else do you suggest we move from a low info stage to a more serious stage where real reads are developed?

This post doesn't look like a real thought to me!

UNVOTE: Insomnia
VOTE: PenguinPower

[Alacrity]

How does them concerning me relate at all to being D1 sorts?

Can you explain it to me, then? It was strange to see you call the two slots that you were concerned about as slots that you would not be looking to sort right away. It looked like you were looking to posture more than sort.

Also, it doesn't look like a real thought because it wasn't. It was a question.

It was a question that did not look like a natural thought to have when you posted it. Can you go into it for me, then?

Alac, do you appear every time someone mentions your name or how does it work? Weird timing

I'm magical =)

[Alacrity]

Alac, do you appear every time someone mentions your name or how does it work? Weird timing

We call that Betelgeuse.

The Betelgeuse is a very outdated tell.

[Alacrity]

Can you explain it to me, then? It was strange to see you call the two slots that you were concerned about as slots that you would not be looking to sort right away. It looked like you were looking to posture more than sort.

2 slots that I joined on an RVS wagon and haven't been here since they voted.

I wonder what it could be.....

I'll say again...I'm a stream of consciousness poster.

It is actually not strange at all, both players are known to be low activity posters.

[Alacrity]

Disagree...well, on Lovebird at least.

Then your experience is different from mine! =)

[Alacrity]

Is this because they are on the same wagon as you, or for other reasons? It is confusing to me when you later say this about them.

I don't really get this...why would it be because they are on the same wagon as me when I joined Lovebird on the wagon then N_M followed me shortly after - almost 48 hours ago.

This

doesn't seem like a real thought.

Could you explain this?

Why is it strange to assume that it is not because you are on the same wagon when you were, followed by you looking for another wagon in the very next post?

This is an overreaction by you.

[Alacrity]

How is that an overreaction?

Like...wut?

If there was any association between my concern on either of them and the wagon, why would I wait ~48 hours to express it?

I asked you because I wanted to know the source of that comment. The way you phrased that post, the timing of that post, and you later saying that you were not looking to sort the two slots felt off to me. I wanted to see what your thought process was behind it.

[Alacrity]

I've already explained that I post in a stream of consciousness (third time now)...sooo...

Maybe terminology is off - I am trying to suss their alignment, but I'm not going to wagon/lynch either one D1 as I can get a better feel for each later game. N_M less so.

I hope this isn not too much information that makes my identity obvious, but I push points like this precisely because this is how I read players that post in a stream of consciousness style.

This response does not satisfy me, but I will assume that I am getting caught up in how you worded your posts and drop the point. I could see this being me not interpreting you correctly.

[Alacrity]

I'm less happy about three votes on Locke and lots of one-vote vanity wagons.

I also get bad gut feels from the above.

Should I jump on locke with you?

My gut and experience tells me urap isn't this sheep-y as town.

VOTE: urap

Hello! Do you have any experience with u r a person 2 from before this game?

This is the 3d game I've played with him I believe.
Why would I cite experience w/him if I didn't have any?
And why are you so concerned with protecting your alt? If I wanted to guess people's identities I would've watched "Masked Singer" all the way though.

I was looking for how much basis you have for that read. Thank you! =)

Alac, do you appear every time someone mentions your name or how does it work? Weird timing

We call that Betelgeuse.

The Betelgeuse is a very outdated tell.

Maybe you're town.

Could you explain this read for me, please?

Nope, I just sincerely believe newbies have weird entrances on this website that ping as scum most of the time, regardless of alignment. If you look into my meta, you'll see I don't often vote newbies based on their first few posts, I like to vote based on actions. Like a counterwagon on a lurker. But, that might just be me *sips tea*

I said she looks like newbscum at the moment. Big difference. That's why I'd like to keep her around so I can figure her out based on her actions and not her first posts on this website.

It is just against my nature to vote newbies based on their entrances. I honestly believe that's a bad play.

You can meta-check on that one.

Called her newbscum and then walked it back.

This could be buddying or it could be defending.

I can understand what Insomnia was trying to say in his posting here, and I do not believe it to be a scummy set of posts.

Disagreeing with a weak case is defending?

I’d say what you’re doing is more defending. I’d also say that nom was your counter wagon, not Locke, so it’s interesting you went on Locke.

Why is it so interesting? Urap was the one who started a counterwagon, and I suspect him along with Locke. People pushed 2 wagons after voting Locke to get us off of him. I've given a urap - locke scum case, but like, people never read what I post. It makes sense if you read my cases and shouldn't come off as interesting, but nobody focuses on cases, I honestly don't know why I'm even making them.

Honestly, whatever I'd do, I point to scum and I just get discredited completely on weak ass cases like "I find it interesting why you'd go for Locke"

Just vote me off and lynch mafia afterwards, since people don't listen to me, they only do after the flip.

Obviously, I'm reading your posts. And, obviously, I disagree.

This is a game where we debate things. You need to chill with the "woe is me" attitude and engage in the debate.

This, however, I agree with!

I think insomnia blew up way too quickly. I super think that was scummy. But I think we should see the replacement first. Because it could be just another thing altogether. A replacement gives us more info and it could be a strong town player if insomnia was town. To be clear, I do want to lynch them, but not yet

This post is giving me a lot of nervous scum pings!

[Alacrity]

Hi Eragon!

[Alacrity]

UNVOTE: PenguinPower

I will wait for Eragon to catch up and to let my thoughts settle before voting again!

[Alacrity]

UNVOTE: PenguinPower

I will wait for Eragon to catch up and to let my thoughts settle before voting again!

What has Eragon to do with your PP read/vote? I'm confused by your unvote here.

I would like to reset before deciding where to vote next. =)

[Alacrity]

What is that supposed to mean? I thought you read PP as scum?

As a counter question, would you say my PenguinPower vote helped move the game forward?

[Alacrity]

What is that supposed to mean? I thought you read PP as scum?

As a counter question, would you say my PenguinPower vote helped move the game forward?

That's not the point of my question. You are unvoting your scum read because of an element that doesn't and shouldn't even affect your scum read.
Besides, how does your unvote "help move the game forward" more than your PP vote?

I do not think you are understanding what I am doing here. I am unvoting PenguinPower because the game is likely going to shift soon, not because the read itself.

No, it doesn't. However, there is one thing that it does do. It shows that I'm less willing to want PenguinPower lynched at the moment!

That timing on her not answering and vanishing all of a sudden is also something that makes me confident about this. I honestly don't care if this is a new wagon. She's scum.

I just woke up to start a brand new day about twenty minutes ago. I've been asleep this whole time =)

Enigmas are scum. Alacrity remains an enigma.

VOTE: Alacrity

Guys! I found the scum vote on the wagon!

VOTE: GrandWazoo

well, maybe not scummy

but bad

I wouldn't say it was a bad wagon. It actually makes me pretty sure it's led by town and followed up with by scum. Now even if I get lynched, it still is a net benefit to town. =)

[Alacrity]

What makes you think this wagon is led by town, if anything this feels like scum making use of the replace out to get votes of their partner

Which slot do you believe is doing this?

I have the impression that nomnomnom is an overeager town looking to start a push. PenguinPower can go either way, but I could see town hopping on the way he had!

Unless there is a reason you have to suspect it beyond that, I do not think there is much more to it!

"Screw this...let's start a brand new wagon"

Why?

Because I'm fairly confident she's scum. She was already in my reads list but that unvote screws with my mind too much.

That timing on her not answering and vanishing all of a sudden is also something that makes me confident about this. I honestly don't care if this is a new wagon. She's scum.

Sure.

VOTE: Alacrity

Don't like this exchange, questions nom's vote in a way that suggests disapproval, nom gives because she's already on my scumlist and she didn't answer me quick enough basically and that's enough?

The worst part about this wagon is that Alacrity is def a scumlean for me but this wagon has manifested in a way that makes me feel uneasy about putting my vote there now

I believe you are getting stuck at the reason for the wagon. =)

I do not believe it was meant to be a slam dunk case, I believe it was meant to be a pressure wagon more than a wagon meant to result in a lynch. That is why I believe it is likely that the later votes are the scum votes if there are any here!

[Alacrity]

Which slot do you believe is doing this?

I have the impression that nomnomnom is an overeager town looking to start a push. PenguinPower can go either way, but I could see town hopping on the way he had!

Unless there is a reason you have to suspect it beyond that, I do not think there is much more to it!

Well I scumread nom soooooo.

Though if you do flip scum then that probably clears her as it would be weird being the one to literally start a wagon by yourself on your partner just to bus them.

We will have to agree to disagree on PP there, especially since he had his vote on Insomnia/Eragon whose wagon was the biggest and seemed to at least scumlean that slot from what I can tell from his posts. It doesn't even make since to me if he scumreads you too because why switch from one scum to another when you already have the other scumread at L-2?

This actually does not answer my question. An existing scumread on a slot is not actually a reason by itself to suspect any specific action, each action must be judged either by itself or compared to the entire game whether it is a scummy move or not. I had a preexisting scumread on nomnomnom before that initial vote, but I believe that the push itself is more likely to come from a town mindset than a scum mindset. Therefore, my read on them is now leaning more towards town than scum. To be exact, they are actually a reasonably strong townread. I hope this better explains what I mean with that question. =)

In response to your question for me, read strength is not the only thing that makes any one push better or worse than the other. You also must factor in things like activity of the wagoned players, overall game activity, town's overall read on the wagoned slots, momentum of the pushes, the town's willingness to change wagons, and other things I am currently not remembering. It helps further the game more to vote for a scumread that ticks more of those boxes than the one that is necessarily your strongest scumread.

I do scumread PenguinPower for other reasons, but the hop onto the wagon is not an addition to that scumread.

What makes you think this wagon is led by town, if anything this feels like scum making use of the replace out to get votes of their partner

Which slot do you believe is doing this?

I have the impression that nomnomnom is an overeager town looking to start a push. PenguinPower can go either way, but I could see town hopping on the way he had!

Unless there is a reason you have to suspect it beyond that, I do not think there is much more to it!

"Screw this...let's start a brand new wagon"

Why?

Because I'm fairly confident she's scum. She was already in my reads list but that unvote screws with my mind too much.

That timing on her not answering and vanishing all of a sudden is also something that makes me confident about this. I honestly don't care if this is a new wagon. She's scum.

Sure.

VOTE: Alacrity

Don't like this exchange, questions nom's vote in a way that suggests disapproval, nom gives because she's already on my scumlist and she didn't answer me quick enough basically and that's enough?

The worst part about this wagon is that Alacrity is def a scumlean for me but this wagon has manifested in a way that makes me feel uneasy about putting my vote there now

I believe you are getting stuck at the reason for the wagon. =)

I do not believe it was meant to be a slam dunk case, I believe it was meant to be a pressure wagon more than a wagon meant to result in a lynch. That is why I believe it is likely that the later votes are the scum votes if there are any here!

Although I am townreading nom for being newbie and an easy lynch i will say that she could easily be trying to push for a lynch by grasping for straws. Especially how she said "this is scummy" and then "yeah... this is scummy," and votes in a second post later. Could be testing the waters.

I think you're right about it being followed by scum though. I think VOTE: grandwazoo is a good guess at scum, but I dont know if it's the most useful vote. I dont have a better alternative yet.

One thing I did want to note is that eragon mentions nom A LOT in their catch up. I feel like that's significant, but I could have shared glasses on rn. Overall wasn't impressed with eragon catch up.

I am curious about one thing in regards to this post.

Why would you call GrandWazoo a good guess for scum, but then immediately say it's not the most useful vote? That speaks to two different motivations to me.

DK if I’ve missed anything but I couldn’t see a reason for Grandwazoo vote? Please tell.

Reminder that Insomnia is scum.

Grandwazoo is the most likely scum on my wagon. =)

It's the mix of not liking her first messages, unvote and timing on the vanish.
Also honestly I come from a chat mafia background. Timing is basis of a lot of my reads because of this, it's just common sense to me.

Keep in mind, I am playing on an alternate account for this game. I also post on my phone a good deal of the time, which means I have to switch accounts every time I want to post on Alacrity. I do not want to accidentally post on one of my other accounts in this game or post on this account anywhere else on the site, so the safest method for me is to log out of the account every time I make a post. This is not a big deal on my computer where I can have multiple accounts signed in at once, but it creates a barrier that I must account for every time I want to post while I am away from my computer. This is the reason I stopped posting here when I did, I was engaging with you while I was getting ready to go to bed, but after I had left my computer for the night.

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No, it doesn't. However, there is one thing that it does do. It shows that I'm less willing to want PenguinPower lynched at the moment!

That bit was not present in your unvote post or the following ones, why did you omit this?

I actually did mention this, twice. It was with different wording, yes, but it means essentially the same thing.

@Grand Wazoo, could you define what pings you about this post. Seems like you might have skimmed this one

It's all of a piece with 38 41 and 44. I can't find a single reason why town would play this "guess my main" game. I can think of a very good reason why scum would. Even when directly asked about it, she ducks 205.

I don't understand why scum specifically would engage that point the way I did, but town would not. I thought that entire engagement was self-evident, so it is entirely possible that something got lost in translation.

I did not answer your question because there really is not any reason to. Revealing why I want this alt to be secret would be counter-productive, as it would drastically reduce the amount of players that it can apply to. I quite like this alt, I would like to keep using it. =)

@Locke if anyone else than me started a new wagon as Eragon was coming in this game, would you have scumread them for that reason too?

Yes, you aren't the only one I'm looking at funny in regards to this wagon

I'm curious, care to detail? I want to know your thoughts on the Alac wagon as a whole.

Went into it a bit in 269 though I don't think I mentioned that the speed of the wagon is also alarming to me, it manifested from no votes on alacrity to L-2 within the space of 24 hours on grounds that are shaky at best in my opinion. Ironically while you are my strongest scumread apart from insomnia/eragon, your creation of the wagon feels more genuine than the rest joining who either gave no reason(n_m) or very little(PP,GW). Also if I'm wrong and this ain't a scum driven wagon and alacrity is scum, I feel that would reverse my read on you

I have a reasonable amount of experience playing chat mafia, enough to have a general basis for the differences between how it is played compared to forum mafia, especially on this site. I strongly doubt that a player with that little experience in forum mafia would come to a new site and make a push like this after their aggressive prodding throughout the game beforehand as scum. I suspect nomnomnom is generally an aggressive player as both alignments. As a result, I expect that the main sticking points for how to accurate read the slot is to look at what they're pushing and whether they're trying to look busy or get actual reactions. Now that I have enough context to understand the fundamentals behind how nomnomnom plays, at least relative to my read on their personality, I believe this is firmly in the town alignment territory of that playstyle.

It is quite safe to call them town from this push even without my flip.

I can also tell you, from experience, that not_mafia is not a player that you can judge that simply. It is usually safe to avoid trying to read not_mafia until you have enough flip information to be able to tell roughly what he is thinking throughout his posting.

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nomnomnom: What do you currently think of the rest of the players on your wagon relative to the wagon itself? It's notable that most of the off-wagon players that have commented on the wagon since it sprung up has indicated that they believe scum are somewhere on the wagon. I also personally believe that this is quite interesting when compared to the other members of the wagon. PenguinPower ignored the Grandwazoo vote, Grandwazoo responded to the scumreads and concerns they gathered from the vote, and not_mafia, well, he doesn't talk very much. =)

[Alacrity]

PenguinPower ignored the Grandwazoo vote

I did no such thing.

And that's probably all I'm going to read from that massive, unnecessary WoT.

These are all your posts from Grand's vote up until just now.

You somehow wanted to vote there but in the absence of a response decided that you didn't?

UNVOTE: PenguinPower

I will wait for Eragon to catch up and to let my thoughts settle before voting again!

This is why ya'll are voting alacrity?

No, thank you.

I had alacrity and nomnomnom mixed. I want nomnomnom or GW I think

nom^3's reasoning is on this page if you are confused.

Not sure how you had the two mixed.

p-edit

hmm...

Back tomorrow...night.

If you are referring to the "hmm... Back tomorrow...night." thing, then can you unpack it for me, please?

Otherwise, I am not seeing it.

[Alacrity]

?

Just because I didn't address it directly doesn't mean I didn't see it/was ignoring it.

Then the overall point stands, does it not?

[Alacrity]

I guess you could say "PP did not address the GW vote" and be accurate though. Explain the scum intent there if that's the direction you want to go.

It was not actually a point towards you being scum, it was a point as part of a contrast between the wagon and the players off the wagon!

[Alacrity]

nomnomnom: What do you currently think of the rest of the players on your wagon relative to the wagon itself? It's notable that most of the off-wagon players that have commented on the wagon since it sprung up has indicated that they believe scum are somewhere on the wagon. I also personally believe that this is quite interesting when compared to the other members of the wagon. PenguinPower ignored the Grandwazoo vote, Grandwazoo responded to the scumreads and concerns they gathered from the vote, and not_mafia, well, he doesn't talk very much. =)

Honestly? I have no clue. These three players are on my ??? list for a reason.
Like, sure, some people proposed that for example GW had little reasons to jump on this, but at the same time, why would scum jump on this brand new wagon? Just to cause their partner unnecessary trouble? It makes no sense to me.

To me this wagon needs to age more, otherwise I'm not comfortable saying who is town or scum on this wagon.

I'm asking because your reads, assuming they haven't changed since your list, should make this current gamestate a red flag for you. =)

Sharing my reads so far, from scummiest to obvtown. This is more for my own clarity of mind though

Likely-scum list

1. Alacrity: Already explained. I want you lynched today.
2. Lovebird: Lots of townreads and asking for someone to vote is by experience something scums do. Scumbird.

??? list

3. Eragon: Insomnia was a scumlean on my list, but he replaced out, so I guess we're here with you
4. urap: Honestly my read on you has already changed a few times this game so I'm not comfortable giving definitive thoughts on you. I feel there's definitely something there, though.
5. Not_Mafia: I hate how you play, but I'd be lying if I said I had a strong conviction on your alignment.
6. PenguinPower: If I had to give you an alignment it would be "neutral neutral" for how non-committed everything you do is. Biggest ??? in my mind so you earn the middle spot.
7. GrandWazoo: Saw nothing that attracted my attention, aside what urap underlined about you.
8. themilkcartonkid: You don't post often, no reasons to think you're scum right now. None to think you're town either, though, so heh.

Likely-town list

9. rosterfoster: In my experience, people that hardcore tunnel tend to be town. Hope you open to other to what people are saying, though, you're deep in the bias.
10. Locke113: Towniest player in this game. Sensible in what he does. Seems to have an internal logic. I like it.

The other three slots you have sorted are the three slots that have indicated that they believe I am town. I will grant that rosterfoster has not commented on me or the wagon since its inception, and Lovebird has not posted at all in almost three days, however.
Not_Mafia, PenguinPower, and GrandWazoo all think I am scum or at the very least wagonworthy.
themilkcartonkid and u r a person 2 think the wagon is scummy.
Eragon has not given any indication that he has reached this point of the game in his catch up as of yet.

Does this help read the wagon at all? It should be easier to judge each individual reaction from this angle.

[Alacrity]

VOTE: GrandWazoo

[Alacrity]

Knowing who I am would not help you read me. =)

[Alacrity]

I had a response but it appears to no longer be necessary.

I will return later! =)

[Alacrity]

First, I knew the wagon would fall apart because they always do in that situation. Second, I didn't read Insom's rep-out post until after I posted the lame "intent" which was careless on my part. :shrug:

I agree with u r a person 2 here, but for a different reason than he brought forward! The actual issue with your posting around this point is how you went about the read trajectories. It is dissonant to say that wagons always fall apart on a player that has just requested replacement when your immediate response to set up a trajectory on another slot while acting like the initial wagon is going to continue.

It tells me that you are not following a consistent thought process.

[Alacrity]

Well, here's the thing.

GW does seem like kind of a prick and this whole thing about announcing intent on Eragon's slot yet voting Alacrity afterwards is definitely scummy.

But at the same time, urap jumping on this wagon is an enormous alarm sign to me, especially with the circumstances of that vote. I can't help but feel urap is trying to deflect the Alacrity wagon.

I'm conflicted here.

I do not believe u r a person 2's push is fake, despite us having different reasons for finding that exchange scummy. =)

I can't help but feel urap is trying to deflect the Alacrity wagon.

I'm saying that this isn't some big secret. I've been pretty explicit about my feelings towards that wagon.

Okay, but to me it feels more like ever since the Alacrity wagon started, you've been starting and jumping on wagons to see if they stick. First you chose milkcartonkid, without any mention of the guy beforehand, and that time period was the only one where he started talking more often.

I think that seeing that it didn't stick, you took a look at who else was talking, and you saw GW being a prick with this "I WANT TO KNOW WHO YOU ARE" business and you jumped on that wagon. I feel this is not genuine with the whole case making that followed afterwards. It feels disconnected from my perspective.

I'm actually starting to believe you are scum partners with Alacrity. This whole game gives me that effect.

First you chose milkcartonkid, without any mention of the guy beforehand, and that time period was the only one where he started talking more often.

I think that seeing that it didn't stick, you took a look at who else was talking,

It was actually that I read the game he linked, and a good deal of the tones and.. let's say class of reads that he was pushing there were similar to what I was scum reading him for here

GW is probably scum tho, I like this vote

This is a pretty classic interaction between two town.

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I would like to note for the audience that GrandWazoo completely vanished in the twenty or so posts after the fake hammer, only to return and comment on something irrelevant to it. This shows he is following along and likely did not know how to properly respond to it!

[Alacrity]

VOTE: ur a person 2 I dont see how trying to pinpoint n-m as town here helps and I also super doubt that THAT helped you sort him. Seems tmi. Plus, a major deescalation that seemed very appreciative of being called town.

I would like to note that this post likely comes from scum!

[Alacrity]

I'm caught up!

u r a person 2, nomnomnom, and Not_Mafia are strong townreads.
rosterfoster is not as strong a town read as they used to be, but I still believe they are probably town!
Locke113 and Insomnia, now Eragon, are probably town, but are less confident townreads as well.

GrandWazoo and themilkcartonkid are both likely scum slots, and currently that would mean that one of Elsa Jay and PenguinPower are likely the third. =)

As an aside, welcome to the game Elsa Jay! It's nice to meet you!

[Alacrity]

VOTE: ur a person 2 I dont see how trying to pinpoint n-m as town here helps and I also super doubt that THAT helped you sort him. Seems tmi. Plus, a major deescalation that seemed very appreciative of being called town.

I would like to note that this post likely comes from scum!

His point makes sense and I think the same. How is that scummy?

The timing and the content together! =)

[Alacrity]

Yeah sudden scumpoints to Alcrity for thinking there's a 3 person scum team in an 11p. I saw her mention me and the Pengs.

Why do you think there's a 3 scum team, Crity Kat?

I admit that I am not very adept on balance and how it would apply to setups with 11 players, so I would much rather assume a normal amount of scum for a mini setup rather than a lower amount. It's much safer that way. =)

[Alacrity]

a normal amount of scum for a mini setup rather than a lower amount.

Normal amount for a mini is 13p.

Of all the recent Mini's (~3 years in the pasat) less than 13p, one had more than 2 scum (even the 12p had 2)

I see. =)

That changes how I see things, then. I am used to playing mini themes with thirteen players in them.

[Alacrity]

This really reinforces my belief that Urap and Alacrity are scumpartners. Pretty sure of it now.

What is the reasoning for this?

[Alacrity]

Nom, the majority of that case is very obvious stuff. Plus there is the problem that you have been calling us partners for about half the game now. Since I have been in danger of being lynched for a good chunk of time during the time you were suspicious of us being partners, does it not sound strange that this behavior would continue throughout it?

[Alacrity]

Elsa, do you have any other thoughts?

[Alacrity]

Melding in reads and stances is not exactly a trait that is commonly shared by scum partners on day one, nom, especially when it continues after attention is being brought to it.

If we are the only two scum in the game, that is a bit suicidal, don't you think? We both have also caged ourselves in by townreading you for this attack despite you not backing off from it.

[Alacrity]

We are not masons, Elsa.

[Alacrity]

You are tunneled, nom.

[Alacrity]

Will you trust my reads once I flip, nom?

[Alacrity]

Can you go into more detail on that, milkcartonkid?

[Alacrity]

Hi guys!

I am still following along, I just have had very little to say!

[Alacrity]

Good morning everyone!

UNVOTE: GrandWazoo
VOTE: themilkcartonkid

[Alacrity]

why the vote change?

I am becoming apathetic, sadly!

[Alacrity]

Eragon is not a good wagon. =)

[Alacrity]

Alacrity-

null town,

I have some ping moments while reading, such as their overly nice tone(although this could be personality) and some other gaps. Some self-meta, but overall I think they have had some towny stuff and I agree with them on a lot, so its certainly not strong, but I think they have a better chance to flip town than not.

Spoiler:

26 I personally have a pet peeve of people saying super nice stuff like “looking forward to playing with you all today” but if thats something with their personality/how they talk then its NAI.
119 As this is a multi-quote wall, ima do a number for each quote. It wont be logical so I might go like 1, 3, 6, 7 depending. It correlates to the quote in the post. Sorry if thats confusing
2)if you think the nom^3 post wasn’t good, why didn’t you comment on it, instead of the vote??
4)why specifically this post, and not the other ones?
7)what makes that “not a real thought”
138 calling this an over-reaction is a meme. How is it over-reacting to bring up an question they have??
142 I mean, if you think you might be misunderstanding his posts, but you don’t know If you are or not, then why don’t you continue asking? Why just drop it “Assuming” your misunderstanding??
221 I mean, if you think PP is scum, then yes, that could move the game forward…
264 why is GW scummier than anyone else on the wagon?
314 holy fuck thats a lot of words ._. I agree with the stuff about TMCK. I still want you to expand on GW being scum over the others. Also agree with the stuff about the “guess my main” post.
461 I don’t know why, my brain can not just logically read this post and understand it. So many big words to think about
464 Agree about URAP here, I’m not sure if I agree about the GW thing, its kinda an angle-angle-shoot read that I don’t like, but eh. 
466 agreed
473 could you expand on your roster townread? Other than that your basically stealing my brain so \0/. I personally disagree with this being a “scumslip” of knowing 3/2/whatever mafia, because I’m pretty sure I’ve seen town do that before, and its not something absolute.
Their streak of posting between 523-541 is kinda bleh, I really dislike using self-meta(in a sense) as a way to clear yourself from an argument, as I feel if you know it well enough to say it you could use it as mafia. Also just like, “you are tunneled” and “will you trust my reads” ping me a little.
642 that really doesn’t explain the vote change at all… why did you changed from your scum read to your scumread? Don’t think its wolfy just want thought.

RE 26: It is who Alacrity is! =)

RE 119b: It fulfills two things at once if I condense it like this, plus I believe that the vote was a more important thing to focus on than the post before it!

RE 119d: That specific post looked town because it showed me that there was more to the thought process behind the read on Urap2. I believe that scum would have made that superficial comment and then struggled to make it fit a consistent thought process!

RE 119g: It was my justification for a pressure vote. =)

RE 138: Did you notice there were two quotes by PenguinPower? I was responding to both of them as a unit.

RE 142: The engagement would have given me something by that point, the fact that I didn't was enough for me to conclude that the questioning was never going to. =)

RE 314: If I remember correctly, he was the vote on the wagon most likely to be scum. The way the wagon started is much more likely to make the beginning votes town, while not_mafia, as I mentioned before, is somebody who will make votes like this as either alignment!

RE 461: I can rephrase it it it would help!

RE 473: The read is quite stale, actually!

RE 642: To see who would engage and why!

[Alacrity]

Good morning everyone! I have a new reads list for you!

nomnomnom is town!
u r a person 2 is town!
Not_Mafia is town!
Eragon is probably town!
rosterfoster is slightly town!
PenguinPower is slightly town!
Elsa Jay is null!
Locke113 is slightly scum!
GrandWazoo is scum!
themilkcartonkid is scum!

[Alacrity]

Good morning everyone! I have a new reads list for you!

nomnomnom is town!
u r a person 2 is town!
Not_Mafia is town!
Eragon is probably town!
rosterfoster is slightly town!
PenguinPower is slightly town!
Elsa Jay is null!
Locke113 is slightly scum!
GrandWazoo is scum!
themilkcartonkid is scum!

Can we really consider it new when it's 95% the same as your previous one, the one you sent 4 days ago in 473? Like the only difference here is that you're pushing some null reads with a lot of "probably" and "slightly". Like what's the point of your post? I don't even understand why you sort null reads the way you do.

Most of the recent posting has not been very indicative towards my reads. =)

In fact, there have primarily been minor shifts precisely because I increasingly believe that my stronger reads are more likely than not to be correct!

[Alacrity]

Very well then! =)

UNVOTE: themilkcartonkid
VOTE: GrandWazoo

[Alacrity]

Your company on the Alacrity wagon is unfortunate, nomnomnom. =(

[Alacrity]

What about me? =(

[Alacrity]

Good morning everyone! =)

@Mod: Would a neighborizer successfully neighborize anyone the same night they are killed?

I will be getting to this game sometime today, I promise!

[Alacrity]

I believe you all are forgetting about this slot! =)

VOTE: themilkcartonkid

[Alacrity]

Okay, so here is where I am standing currently.

nomnomnom is still very town because of yesterday and their posting today.
rosterfoster is pretty obviously town thanks to how he is posting today as well as how he handled the GrandWazoo wagon yesterday.
Not_Mafia is very unlikely to be scum thanks to how he played yesterday. I believe that if he wanted to use this playstyle quirk of his as scum this game, it would not have been to cause that much extra pressure against his partner.
PenguinPower is likely town. Call it gut at this point. =)

And of the rest?

Eragon is more likely than not to be town primarily from how he entered today. It's also very relevant to note that his reads day one were actually quite good if mine are correct this game, and I am a sucker for melding! =)
Locke113 is giving the appearance of solving, at least! I believe that he will be quite readable if we do not hit scum today, as the way he progresses throughout is likely to be quite indicative of his alignment!

Now. What are the ISOs of the two people that are left from what has been said in day 2 so far?

Elsa Jay:

Spoiler:

SP

gonna go analyze some GW spew.

alacrity confirmed town btw

How is Ala confirmed? Also high five for hanging scum day 1. Sad that the basically cop died n1 in return though.

Anyone got neighborized by URAP?)

Still wonderful if anyone actually got neighborized but okay.

themilkcartonkid:

Spoiler:

Alacrity conftown. I noticed that town split into pairs. Lock and roster, me and nom, urap and alac, pp and Elsa. N-m grandwazoo and eragon never really had anyone they gelled with. I dont think alac kills the only one who was agreeing with their reads

also

milk going

"but the claiiiiim"

and in his next post hammering shows lack of real progression

This is disingenuous, read the posts in between

VOTE: roster

Your latest posts make me think you have scum information to say all of this, and it's visible in your wording choices in particular.

Can you point some out please

Since scum would almost certainly never pair that in main chat.

UNVOTE:

In fact that makes it likely that neither of you are scum with him.

Can you expound on this please?

Alacrity, pls read twilight yesterday

Since themilkcartonkid was still scummy from his posting yesterday, I believe he is by far the best vote today. =)

[Alacrity]

One scum here;

{Alacrity, nomnomnom, themilkcartonkid}

One scum here:

{Locke113, rosterfoster, Eragon}

Is where I'm at right now.

If roster is scum, nom is likely scum as well.

So is there some reason, or what? Becuse every other living player except Elsa and NM is in there I think.

Ah, sorry. NM should be included to, and even though I have Alacrity included I don't really think he's scum.

Really, it's probably just one in nom/milk

and then one in everyone else off the wagon.

Just to give some level of basis behind the PenguinPower townread, I believe these two posts are unlikely to come from scum!

[Alacrity]

themilkcartonkid is using textbook empty posting to look active while the rest of the playerlist is solving.

I do not believe this has very high odds of flipping town. =)

[Alacrity]

It would be much better to legitimately claim rather than soft endlessly, TMCK.

You are very unlikely to lose my vote otherwise.

[Alacrity]

Who did you block?

[Alacrity]

UNVOTE: themilkcartonkid

I need to rethink something real fast. =)

[Alacrity]

This is me acknowledging the last couple of pages that appeared while I was asleep.

I will parse it when I have time to! =)

[Alacrity]

Oh, before I go for the day, I'd like to say one thing!

If you really look at the characters Eragon was typing both before and after the "slip", then try to use control alongside them, you might find something interesting. =)

That is pretty strong evidence it was done on purpose!

[Alacrity]

I see PenguinPower was already well ahead of me. =)

Hopefully a second opinion of that nature allows it to hold more weight!

[Alacrity]

The way Eragon handled the claim and why also does not make sense from a scum mindset. =)

I would like everybody to pay attention to what Locke has been saying over the last page, though. I believe that slot has reasonably good odds of flipping scum after those posts!

[Alacrity]

The reaction test, not the claim. Silly me!

[Alacrity]

Eragon is likely town and Locke is likely scum. =)

More will come after I have time to do the analysis I wanted to do!

[Alacrity]

Hello everyone!

Eragon is quite obviously town!

[Alacrity]

Hello!

Please give me some time to do the analysis I would like to do today.

Thank you! =)

[Alacrity]

Hello! I finally got around to looking through some things! =)

I believe Locke currently has the highest odds of flipping scum at the current moment, but I would like to see what he thinks of the current situation first!