Newbie 1924 - Game Over

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Hello, I am Voted and I am shy.

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So you hear on nickname "Scum".
I will try to remember this piece of information.

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Has voted for lynching VOTE: Saladman27.

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What's a noobscum intro look like?

Would also love to know. For future games.

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Claiming Hound of the Baskervilles

Vote: VOTE: MKM
I CC! The claim is fake!

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Literally my first game on this site. Off-site, I've been playing Town of Salem for about 2-3 years, if that counts.

What is your elo there?

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Below 2200 here. Yeah, around your elo, players gamethrow, ignore wills and follow these who cry more rather than these who use logic. Gets better around 1800 elo.

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Anyway, I will start pathetically defend myself. I just ask you to tell me before my lynching day one why you found me scummy. So I don't end up lynched day one in other games.

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Has voted for lynching VOTE: Saladman27.

Chances are you don't like me joining the wagoon against Saladman. I did it because I hope it could work as a catalyst and that it would increase the frequency of messages in this thread. Didn't work.

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Voted, if you call me locktown I'll defend you here. \o/

What does "locktown" mean?

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And is it supposed to be written in vote style, samething else or normal text?

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Nevermind.

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I declare Vedith locktown!
Now defend me!

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Anyone other would like to make similar deal with me?

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April Fools!

Hah, jokes on you it's already the 2nd of April over here.

Its still 1st here. Soo. Do we have the deal?

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2200 elo is Master tier elo where are usually only good player. The problem is that ToS is different than this. Day lasts cca 2 minutes; there are no vanilla towns. Everyone's role has an ability. I am good in finding people making fake claims and being able to claim fake roles (even as town) which are believable. I basically don't scum read in that game.

That being said, my scum reading abilities are in infinitesimal level and it is going to take my same time to scum read sameone here.

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@Saladman
They are very eager to lynch me and I don't like it. My only survival chance is to find sameone scummier than me. You haven't posted anything relevant yet, so I will try to push you to see if you don't slid. I haven't done samething similar before and I am sorry if I overdo it / mess it up.

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My ELO is 3200

What are investigator's results for doctor? Can they change during the game? What is jailor meta? Hardest NK role for you?

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I am almost sure it doesn't, but if this vote hammers Saladman, just don't count it (if it is possible?).
I am aware of fact that I am joining a wagoon on him.
VOTE: Saladman

Putting Saladman in L-1

If you are a PR, would be nice if you tried to defend yourself before revealing.

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I think it is obvious! He is a scum doing tactic - if I don't post anything, they can't find me scummy! He even haven't joined any vote wagoons!

Vegetables are neat
Inspiring little lad anxious Saladman is sad
Cause his votecount is three
And that is very bad

VOTE: RCEnigma No true buddy/friend would call their friendship a deal.

This is not a reason! We are already out of RVS! Do you have

any

kind of reads?

If you are unsure, start with me, my posts have usually slight scummy flavour (knowing from ToS) so it should be easier. I guess.

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@Saladman
They are very eager to lynch me and I don't like it. My only survival chance is to find sameone scummier than me. You haven't posted anything relevant yet, so I will try to push you to see if you don't slid. I haven't done samething similar before and I am sorry if I overdo it / mess it up.

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Not getting a great vibe off this post

Understable. I don't want to make him look like scum. I merely wish to give him possibility to make himself look like scum.

At the end of the day, you will lynch the most scummy player. Why to wait passivly for this privilege, while I can increase the pool of active players, players you can find scummy?


And yes, I am selfish and would be happier if you lynched random other player than me. Unless he would be PR or good scum reader or not scummy at all.

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UNVOTE: unvote

You guys have a dangerous style of humour, you know this?

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I want him lynched (rather than me), but I want to give him chance to turn into locktown or PR.
Or to find sameone scummier than him.

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Well salad is voting me and I'm voting you. What do you think of that? Why do you think I'm still scumreading you? If you were in my shoes do you think you would be reading your slot as town?

Salad is random voting you so it has no weight. You are voting me either because you think that I am scum or because you want to test me. Or both.

I don't know why everyone scum reads me. In every game. Would love to know. Probably because of my inability to make constructive early in game and my strange sense of humour.

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Was the text in your role pm red?

Can I ask for explanation? Scum roles are PMed in red?

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Nevermind.

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Well was the text white or red?

Thats on whom? Also, asking newbies for things experienced players can easily fake? Thats not very nice of you.

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Well was the text white or red?

Thats on whom? Also, asking newbies for things experienced players can easily fake? Thats not very nice of you.

Correction. You are checking the capability of reading sample PMs.

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I don't know why everyone scum reads me. In every game. Would love to know. Probably because of my inability to make constructive early in game and my strange sense of humour.

IMO, your reaction in 137 and

your eagerness to push a claim on D1

, three days into the topic, makes you seem kinda sus.

Could be just inexperience though. I've been there.

I still am there.

I am almost sure it doesn't, but if this vote hammers Saladman, just don't count it (if it is possible?).
I am aware of fact that I am joining a wagoon on him.
VOTE: Saladman

Putting Saladman in L-1

If you are a PR, would be nice if you tried to defend yourself before revealing.

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I think it is obvious! He is a scum doing tactic - if I don't post anything, they can't find me scummy! He even haven't joined any vote wagoons!

Vegetables are neat
Inspiring little lad anxious Saladman is sad
Cause his votecount is three
And that is very bad

VOTE: RCEnigma No true buddy/friend would call their friendship a deal.

This is not a reason! We are already out of RVS! Do you have

any

kind of reads?

If you are unsure, start with me, my posts have usually slight scummy flavour (knowing from ToS) so it should be easier. I guess.

Don't want to make him claim. I just want to make him give ammo for scum readers.

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Well was the text white or red?

Thats on whom? Also, asking newbies for things experienced players can easily fake? Thats not very nice of you.

That's to you.
Was your pm white or red text on the role?

No.

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Well was the text white or red?

Thats on whom? Also, asking newbies for things experienced players can easily fake? Thats not very nice of you.

Correction. You are checking the capability of reading sample PMs.

I didn't like the delay for you to just read the sample PMs.
Lucky you called me town.

I though it was on Salad, and the delay for checking sample PMs and my PM would be... similar.

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Well was the text white or red?

Thats on whom? Also, asking newbies for things experienced players can easily fake? Thats not very nice of you.

Correction. You are checking the capability of reading sample PMs.

I didn't like the delay for you to just read the sample PMs.
Lucky you called me town.

I though it was on Salad

, and the delay for checking sample PMs and my PM would be... similar.

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What wincon?
As I said, I am not framing Salad, there is no point in it. It would make me even more scummy. I just want to know if he behaves scummy or not - which I nor you can't find out from his posts so far.

I will try to do same reads today. But I am really bad in it.

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What's wincon?*

Is there a way how to edit posts?

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Pushing silent people to post thing from which you can find out if he is likely to be scum or town is not helping town archieve its wincon?

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What's a noobscum intro look like?

I'll tell you later...

Is the time now? I guess we are far behind intro stage.

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Tried to make same reads. Didn't went very well so I will post same observations here. Hopefully it helps.

People who are trying to scum hunt
-TTTT
-RCEnigma

People who made at least same kind of reads
-MKM
-themavneet

People contributing to scumunting conservation but slighty
-ClearlyClarity
-Vedith
-Voted

People who haven't posted anything of value
-Saladman


I have a feeling that TTTT is trying to push the converstion forward, moderate it. Probably most town like behaviour here.


Votes:

Voted

-TTTT
(end of RVS)
-Vedith
-RCEnigma
-ClearlyClarity (claimed to be random)
-TTTT

Saladman

-ClearlyClarity
-RCEnigma
-Voted
(end of RVS)
-TTTT
-Datisi
-Voted

Saladman and thenavneet never joined these wagoons. Clearly Clarity joined only as random voter.
Ignoring TTTT who is more or less trying to move conservation forward, I and Saladman have different non-random voters.

Based on votes:

Wild accustation:

me and Saladman have different alignment.

Even wilder accustation:

his potencial scumbuddy would be RCEnigma (salad's vote and unvote)

Don't take it that I am trying to frame Salad as much as I can. Just posting my reads.

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That being said,

Saladman

, are you going to post scumhunting related posts or do you want me to push you into posting it?

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Tried to make same reads. Didn't went very well so I will post same observations here. Hopefully it helps.

People who are trying to scum hunt
-TTTT
-RCEnigma

People who made at least same kind of reads
-MKM
-themavneet
-Voted
-Datisi
People contributing to scumunting conservation but slighty
-ClearlyClarity
-Vedith

People who haven't posted anything of value
-Saladman


I have a feeling that TTTT is trying to push the converstion forward, moderate it. Probably most town like behaviour here.


Votes:

Voted

-TTTT
(end of RVS)
-Vedith
-RCEnigma
-ClearlyClarity (claimed to be random)
-TTTT

Saladman

-ClearlyClarity
-RCEnigma
-Voted
(end of RVS)
-TTTT
-Datisi
-Voted

Saladman and thenavneet never joined these wagoons. Clearly Clarity joined only as random voter.
Ignoring TTTT who is more or less trying to move conservation forward, I and Saladman have different non-random voters.

Based on votes:

Wild accustation:

me and Saladman have different alignment.

Even wilder accustation:

his potencial scumbuddy would be RCEnigma (salad's vote and unvote)

Don't take it that I am trying to frame Salad as much as I can. Just posting my reads.

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UNVOTE: maybe I'm over thinking and it's just an oversight kind of thing.

So, I kind of like voteds last post. But I sprung up as a counter push to Voteds wagon and it's got me thinking.

Well, you slighty look like a scum who is pretending to help town hunt scum.

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- the weird interaction with RCE which could be SvS
- lack of substance
- when asked for reads u say the 2 most obvious things

What is SvS?

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I've already said I'll ignore it. However, if you yourself aren't scum then 2 of the other 8 slots are. A random vote to start the day is more likely to land on town than scum and you haven't done anything to slim those numbers down so to think that your Rand vote landed on scum is poor reasoning.

It also doesn't reinforce wether I'm scum or not scum, just thank you aren't bothered to figure out if you are voting scum or town.

I think in your case I'm giving more leeway for a couple different reasons - new player, both games played you rolled scum I believe? So you may not have a strong base on how to scumhunt or what looks scummy when you aren't playing an informed slot.

I'll use my Voted read as an example. In addition to the things I've mentioned there are a couple things going on with him such as the contrast between his initial calm reaction when his wagon peaked and the survivalist push he made on salad afterwards. So 1, it could be seen as a playstyle difference (goes along with my theory of Voted +coaching, possible SE).

His disinterest in wether scum was voting him or not is +scum, scum!him would already know if this is true or not so may not be bothered with soring out motivations or intentions.

His unvote on salad when Vedith posted intent to hammer could go either way I guess. No one has really come to his defense so normally I would like to think he's town being left out by scum to cook but his pressure flipped onto me when I pushed further so I can't really ignore that and call it town.

From ToS:
bad scums tend to vote (town) either as 1st/ 2nd vote or as last votes
good scums tent to put vote in the middle.

I really don't know how to classificate people who played 2 or 3 games in this server. This is not ToS. So the votes on me aren't helping me find scum nor suspect anyone. That's why the disinterest.

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People who are trying to scum hunt
-TTTT
-RCEnigma

UNVOTE: maybe I'm over thinking and it's just an oversight kind of thing.

So, I kind of like voteds last post. But I sprung up as a counter push to Voteds wagon and it's got me thinking.

Well, you slighty look like a scum who is pretending to help town hunt scum.

Things like this definitely don't help your case.

There is no contradictions in these two posts. You ask questions, but I have a feeling the questions aren't samewhat pushing the conversation forward. And you are SE meaning you should be "good". I find it slighty suspectious, but I have a feeling its not enough to think you are scum.

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I just have no idea how to scum hunt/read so I don't post much.

Lets help you then.
Do you think there is sameone who pushes sameone just to get him lynched rather than to find if he is scum or not? Who? Why do you think so - which posts made you believe it?
Is here sameone who is actively testing suspicious people if they are scum or not? Who? Why do you think so - which posts made you believe it?
Is here sameone who protects sameone else? Who? Why do you think so - which posts made you believe it?

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Sigh. I have a feeling that if Salad were scum, he would be more agressive than he is now. He would defend himself more. With Salad failing as a substitutional lynch for me, I will have to find out sameone else.

So, VOTE: MKM, do you have same reads on sameone else than me or Salad?

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Also, guys, would you mind debating a little more about my possible scum buddy? We have pages to fill and the discussion would be a nice reading material.

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Out of the three on the wagon, from most scummy to least IMO:

Voted
Navneet
Salad

What makes you feel that Navneet is scummy?

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I am curious. Can I person hammer his own wagon?

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Vedith, you could also give us same actual reads.

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Where?
I with reads I mean guessing sameone alignment + reason it.

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Why?

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20-35ish
but the number of pages are less important than the interactions
that we can go back and see later

if salad flips town where do we go from there?

If both, me and Salad are town (what I think is truth), than datisi and thenavneet have a huge problem for pushing against Salad (day 1 - lynch Salad, day 2 - lynch me, that would be a really nice start for scum). With pushing I don't mean making him post more, but making him sus, lynched.

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I townlock TTTT.
I am doing it to pin out the fact that he is trying to direct the converstion in constructive way.

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20-35ish
but the number of pages are less important than the interactions
that we can go back and see later

if salad flips town where do we go from there?

If both, me and Salad are town (what I think is truth),

than datisi and thenavneet have a huge problem for pushing against Salad

(day 1 - lynch Salad, day 2 - lynch me, that would be a really nice start for scum). With pushing I don't mean making him post more, but making him sus, lynched.

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Sigh. I have a feeling that if Salad were scum, he would be more agressive than he is now. He would defend himself more. With Salad failing as a substitutional lynch for me, I will have to find out sameone else.

So, VOTE: MKM, do you have same reads on sameone else than me or Salad?

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About TTTT's ISO. Here is what I meant with he moderating the discussion.

@Voted
you are caught scum at this point
the only way I'm unvoting if you find someone scummier

-makes me defend and starts 1st wagoon.

UNVOTE:

I'm going to click on that little activity overview thing
and vote for whoever is least engaged in this game

-starts 2nd wagoon and makes us make Salad post more.

20-35ish
but the number of pages are less important than the interactions
that we can go back and see later
if salad flips town where do we go from there?

-tries to start a discussion to add pages which can be used to read people.

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Besides, if you're suspecting me and/or thenavneet, why vote for MKM?

To put same pressure on MKM and test her for being scum.

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About TTTT's ISO. Here is what I meant with he moderating the discussion.

@Voted
you are caught scum at this point
the only way I'm unvoting if you find someone scummier

-makes me defend and starts 1st wagoon.

Why do you think TTTT was genuinely trying to start a wagon on you on page 3, post 60, during the game's RVS, when you had only made 4 posts prior, none of which implicate you as scum?

UNVOTE:

I'm going to click on that little activity overview thing
and vote for whoever is least engaged in this game

-starts 2nd wagoon and makes us make Salad post more.

So TTTT started two wagons and eventually settled on yours. Why do you think he changed his mind about Salad?[/quote]


Since you have to start wagoon to get people talking.
About Salad - I think he wanted to get him to post samething you can use to read.

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Just to clarify. Voted, you've been trying to get people to act scummy — even if they're town — so you can throw them to the wolves instead of yourself, correct?

Sorry about ignoring this post. I really don't know how to make people act scummy. I am just trying to "test" people if they act scummy.

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VOTE: thenavneet
Any ideas about my potential scum buddy?
Any ideas about Salad's potential scum buddy? Still thinking its RCE? Any other ideas?

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Navneet. But after him, you are welcomed to join.

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Vanilla townie.
Dont hammer, we have like 3 days.

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Salad, do you have any reason why you see Navneet scummy, different than he doesn't post much?

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Who ever hammers Voted gets a town read

Should we end the day with 3 days left?

Yes.

Why?
I mean, if I turn town, you will end up with mislynched town and whisout many material from other players to read. Why waste time?

This is also pretty nice of you to do after I tried to make people post same content in last few pages!

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Perheps they told me to claim VT to make you think that.

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For future games: mafia can talk together during day phase?

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I'm bummed that none of the newbies had newbscum intros
crossing my fingers for MafiaCiv!

Would love to know before getting lynched.

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And, how would SE tell me to claim a PR?

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I unvoted Salad because they threatened to hammer him. Lynching sameone else than me is fine, but not if the lynched person turns into jailor or would turn into obv town.

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Typed a PR there as example. In ToS it is the most powerful role.

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About switching to lynching Salad: you are lynching him because of being bad player. Not behaving super scummy. (if I understand it right)
If he is scum - nice, if not he isnt good at all.

I personally think he is likely to be town. I am not interested in lynching him today if that only means postponing my lynch, not reconcidering it.