Mini 2074: Madness at Port Arthur (Game Over)

[Succinct]

Got a couple pages to read, I was redirected to myself last night. Turns out I'm fabulous .

Pardon me, but who did you target?

Can I get a list of claims/important events?

I can tell Chara's definitely town and believe Irrelephant's town, but as they've been the only ones posting, I lack contextual reads on anyone else.

[Succinct]

VOTE: skitter

L-1

Can't read her, but sheeping Chara/Irrelephant until given better idea.

[Succinct]

you put someone at L-1 just for that?

As long as not hammering, I'd vote someone for it, yes. L-1's irrelevant. Were I two minutes faster to cast it (minutes I spent skimming skitter's iso), my vote would've been L-2.

[Succinct]

Got a couple pages to read, I was redirected to myself last night. Turns out I'm fabulous .

Pardon me, but who did you target?

Can I get a list of claims/important events?

Still could use this.

[Succinct]

Why did you vote skitter over me?

Because skitter was where Chara/Irrelephant actually voted.

No claims aside from the one you quoted, fake claims from the dead, and Chara receiving fruit

Summary of events would help though.

[Succinct]

Wow. I townread skitter, but I should go over her ISO to remind myself why.
VOTE: Succinct

You sure this was spewed town, Irrelephant?

a) i was under the impression that you think you can read me

I said that when scum; I lied.

b) just going to point out that the utter lack of resistance to an l-1 wagon at this stage of the game is kinda suspicious

Not given who's driving it.

what did you see after skimming my iso

Lack of obvtownness, but as I'd expect obvtownness from you regardless of alignment, that helped little.

[Succinct]

UNVOTE:
Who did you give your n0 fruit to Skitter?

Got a couple pages to read, I was redirected to myself last night. Turns out I'm fabulous .

Pardon me, but who did you target?

Can I get a list of claims/important events?

Still could use this.

It's actually important.

i forgot to say, i received a delicious fruit last night. thanks!

oh this was me btw

why did you choose me?

It does seem like a scum action.

I buy most of what skitter is selling tbh

I don't.

I don't think skitter-ClearlyClarity's scum-scum, but also don't believe town/town.
Between the two, skitter's who I'd place higher scum odds on.

I find the way ClearlyClarity claimed to be suspect,

but

, believe this:

I'm jailkeeper and the other JK is town. Jailed irrelephant last night
Maybe try to let me claim first next time, ye?

So how did I get a night result then..?

Actually indicates ClearlyClarity's truthful about their claim.

[Succinct]

I find the way ClearlyClarity claimed to be suspect,

but

, believe this:

I'm jailkeeper and the other JK is town. Jailed irrelephant last night
Maybe try to let me claim first next time, ye?

So how did I get a night result then..?

Actually indicates ClearlyClarity's truthful about their claim.

Can you elaborate on this?

Sure.
ClearlyClarity's unlikely to claim a result as scum which Irrelephant's capable of contradicting. She loses the resulting 1v1 always.
Ergo, she believed she did block Irrelephant.

[Succinct]

This games already been a rollercoaster for me.

Got a couple pages to read, I was redirected to myself last night. Turns out I'm fabulous .

Pardon me, but who did you target?

Still could use this.

It's actually important.

[Succinct]

You were the target.

Story checks out.
I'm not a Redirector, but I'm a redirector-

type

role. (It'd be anti-town to claim specifically which one.)
Can verify that you targeting me last night would redirect to yourself.

[Succinct]

a) i'm p. sure i got the vibe from those games that you actually knew what you were talking about wrt my meta, even if incidentally you were scum

And if I had to guess, you'd be scum here. I'm simply not

sure

.

scum who know me don't think they can mislynch me easily *at all*

Which is why I insist the wagon on you's towndriven regardless of your alignment.

[Succinct]

Succinct/CJ might have a town in it and if so that player needs to step it uppppppp by a lot

What if I told you I thought both of us're town?

that's fine with me. i'm interested in Succinct's thoughts especially.

The one and only role combo which could cause skitter to have no motion N0 and not be lying is if someone used a N0 rolestop on Irrelephant.

Given that's obviously not true, skitter's caught scum. I'm already voting there.

If you want her scumbuddy, my guess is tris, but I'm uncertain. I can tell you players clearly town (you, Irrelephant, ClearlyClarity, RCEnigma); I can tell you players I suspect are town (ceejay, Persivul, insomnia), but not which player's scum definitively.

[Succinct]

RCE what results did you get on yourself? Motion, because of your own detection?

I was told no other actions were taken on or by me.

Unfortunate you claimed this, as only one redirector role would allow for that result.
Confirming that's my role. Actions targeting me're reflected back onto their owner.

[Succinct]

that's fine with me. i'm interested in Succinct's thoughts especially.

The one and only role combo which could cause skitter to have no motion N0 and not be lying is if someone used a N0 rolestop on Irrelephant.

Worth noting: even this combo's only

possible

if the mod deems a player visiting someone rolestopped as being roleblocked; this is not the standard resolution of those roles.

Simply put, occam's razor: skitter's scum.

[Succinct]

VOTE: Blake Belladonna
Safest vote to make on likely scum, while we sort out Fuscezu's claim compared to ClearlyClarity's.

[Succinct]

Fuscezu is very likely town as well.

Beg your pardon, why?

Fuscezu was the person I'd planned on voting today.

[Succinct]

Blake’s reaction to being “dayvigged” is pretty good so I’ll town BB slot again

Sorry, but standard play to a dayvig is assume it's fake until proven real. Reactions're thus nai.

[Succinct]

We are a disloyal doctor.

VOTE: Fuscezu
I believe this to be a 100% truthful claim; I believe it to be a scum role.
Town has zero use of a disloyal doctor.

Loyal

doctor's vast utility, but not disloyal.

[Succinct]

Just thinking, because Fus/RCE/Blake have the least-confirmed role claims so far I think (besides Persivul and I who have not claimed) and scum needs some power in a game with a cop and 2 jailkeepers.

Correction; I can half-confirm RCE's claim. He received a result consistent with targeting me with the role he claims, something he couldn't know prior to my claim was correct.

[Succinct]

We could also not try to solve the entire setup today and rely on raw reads strength instead.

My reads were tris and Fuscezu as most likely scum aside from skitter.

Claims don't change this.
RCE's claim looks town; his result's not something he'd easily be able to fake and he genuinely believed skitter was caught scum in a way hard to fake as scum.
Irrelephant is cop cleared.
ClearlyClarity and ceejay cross-clear each other.
I am town.

That leaves {Persivul, Blake, Fuscezu}.

I lack a read on Persivul, I'll admit. But I scumread Blake/Fuscezu.

[Succinct]

I guess it can just be Succinct/Blake

Sure. Help me bus Blake then. (Refer to my vote.)

[Succinct]

it heavily implies a second 3p

Or it implies you forgot to change your claim from Disloyal to Loyal.

[Succinct]

Succinct needs to start talking.

Succinct is busy and as I'm speaking I'm multitasking. This game's not my priority right now.

[Succinct]

We are a disloyal doctor.

VOTE: Fuscezu
I believe this to be a 100% truthful claim; I believe it to be a scum role.
Town has zero use of a disloyal doctor.

Loyal

doctor's vast utility, but not disloyal.

I believe it's third party.

I don't buy we have two 3ps in this game; I don't buy Fuscezu's a counter to an already-nerfed sk.

[Succinct]

Debating on an Ank / Succint team tbh. What’s the point of accusing the one that’s not even focused on you. Seems like poor distancing after he saw he’s being set up for a hammer.

Perhaps you should iso me and search for my stance on tris.

Succint’s read on Fuscezu is mechanics based as well, not even a real read. Zero effort. Level 1 read.

Wrong. Again, iso me. You'll find I scumread Fuscezu

prior

to Fuscezu's claim. Fuscezu was always a suspect. The disloyal doctor claim was the final nail in the coffin of the existing suspicion.

Fuscezu's play is lackluster and is POE'd; most slots're obviously town, and Fuscezu's not among them.

Succint abandons his only scum read that he has no progression on to vote someone based on mechanics that has been acting town all game. Adds up.

Perhaps you'd fare better with this stance if you researched mine.

Given that's obviously not true, skitter's caught scum. I'm already voting there.
If you want her scumbuddy, my guess is tris, but I'm uncertain. I can tell you players clearly town (you, Irrelephant, ClearlyClarity, RCEnigma); I can tell you players I suspect are town (ceejay, Persivul, insomnia), but not which player's scum definitively.

Absent from the list of players named town's Fuscezu. I.e., Fuscezu wasn't a townread; Fuscezu was a suspect scum.

Fuscezu is very likely town as well.

Beg your pardon, why?

Fuscezu was the person I'd planned on voting today.

The only reason I didn't vote Fuscezu is at the time I thought Fuscezu might be claiming to be the second jailkeeper (which would've made Fuscezu town). When ceejay claimed, that made my only reason for not voting Fuscezu go away.

That said, I still would like Succinct to go more into why they hold the reads they do.
Especially on my slot, because even with them having a fairly poor read record of me, I'd still expect them to have come around to a townread of me by this point. I have a suspicion for what the reason is, but I need to be sure before outing it.

I scumread tris. I found your claim suspect. When you said you were out of your scumrange, you weren't at the time actually out of it. Now I feel it's doubtful you're scum, but I'm not completely convinced you're town.

Irrelephant's cop cleared and obvtown on play even without it.
ceejay's conftown from role.
RCEnigma truly believed he had a guilty on skitter; I don't think he pushes skitter that hard as scum. His handling of his result on me also indicated town, and I've liked his approach this game.
insomnia's largely a sheep of Chara/Irrelephant, but has looked town enough on his own.

Persivul was someone I didn't think was scum with skitter and at the time was sheeping Irrelephant. Once skitter flipped 3p, this changed my read on him. Furthering this: people have pointed out that "scum need a super strong role". They've accused my mirror of being it; I'd say a self-governing governor fits far better.
Fuscezu's always been a scumread because nothing Fuscezu's posted's been town and quite a lot has been suspect.

I'm not voting outside those two today.
VOTE: Persivul

[Succinct]

When you said you were out of your scumrange, you weren't at the time actually out of it. Now I feel it's doubtful you're scum, but I'm not completely convinced you're town.

To clarify: At the time you said you were out of your scumrange, you weren't. However, now I feel you are. I'm not

certain

, but I think this is beyond your scumrange. Thus, doubtfully scum, but not absolutely convinced town.

[Succinct]

Hi. I jailed Blake.

With this plus RCE jail, you have confirmation neither of those two did the kill.

As a consequence, the killers could only be {insomnia, Persivul, Fuscezu}. One of those three did the kill; it should be transparent who the obvious two are.

[Succinct]

The reason that I keep defending Persivul’s cuz I’m a bus driver and I switched Irrel with Percy on night one when Chara checked Irrelephant.

Night ONE, you say?

Small problem with you Persivul defense, then:
Chara checked Irrelephant N0, not N1.

So unless you meant to say you busdrove Irrelephant and Persivul N1...the cop inno on Irrelephant, and lack of one on Persivul, holds.

[Succinct]

So sorry for the misgender tris!
Chara why do you townread me

you're a good player and i have some knowledge of your scumgame. innocent until proven guilty is good for me.
same sort of situation as skitter.

i could go into it further, but i don't see a reason to start talking about how i think you should be read as scum when i don't need to.

elephant after my own heart. except for Clearly.

it's not "might", it's, "i think skitter is scum and you're asking me to vote someone who's never scum if she is."
why the hell would i, elephant?

Hm
I lied about getting a night result
Just wanted to see reactions but I don’t necessarily want to start a massclaim train just to solve this puzzle
Ignoring the past couple pages I still want to lynch Clarity
But she did past my reaction test kinda

Clarity why did you vote Smile last gameday?

i was so excited about your night result. i thought you had a Clarity guilty and that's why you were annoyed with me earlier.

i didn't like her whole claim thing and thinking she was hammered, but now i'm not sure how to proceed.

I’m thinking one of me/Clarity was Chara’s N0 inno
Skitter seems to be the N1 guilty

For reference.
The inno existed on N0.

[Succinct]

N1 - Percy

with RCEnigma

RCE what results did you get on yourself? Motion, because of your own detection?

I was told no other actions were taken on or by me.

Folks, we have a 1v1 here; these claims are mutually exclusive.

VOTE: insomnia

[Succinct]

N1 - Percy

with RCEnigma

RCE what results did you get on yourself? Motion, because of your own detection?

I was told no other actions were taken on or by me.

Folks, we have a 1v1 here; these claims are mutually exclusive.

VOTE: insomnia

To explain:
RCEnigma targeted me N1.
Via my mirror, he self-targeted.
Via insomnia's busdrive, he either got a result on himself or a result on Persivul.
RCEnigma claimed nobody visited his target except for himself.
Regardless of whether he targeted himself or targeted Persivul, he should've seen insomnia's visit.

Ergo, the claims don't add up. I trust RCEnigma's more than I trust insomnia's.

[Succinct]

Obviously I couldn't do anything.
I'm going to guess who ceejay blocked:
VOTE: Persivul