mini 2093, the search - an interminable period of darkness.

[gobbledygook]

And I have to deal with mafsepia

Oh shit, I’m so sorry...at least you can still have mafSilver on your main

VOTE: ACR

Take that back about MafSepia

Daykill: Pine

Heretic. MafSilver is trash

[gobbledygook]

My alt wincondition is something I have 0 control over so I most likely lose babes

[gobbledygook]

Isn't that all of us?

- Acute

Maybe? Mine seems particularly difficult

[gobbledygook]

how about we all ignore the alternate wincon and count this is as a W in our hearts if town wins?

- Acute

I’ll believe this with my mind but my heart will never

[gobbledygook]

Well when you start a game you have a 1% chance of winning even as town it’s a pretty crappy feeling

[gobbledygook]

Skygazer's town too

Actually, let's do it this way--who wants to bet on whether Chenni is town or scum? My head bets a m20 forest on town chenni, fireball bets a 2019 banefire that chenni's scum, who wants to take us up?

-Chanel

What are these things?

[gobbledygook]

You only win if you accomplish both of your wincons.

[gobbledygook]

From what I can tell, Channel not outing the tell is not against the rules.

Reaffirming my ARO vote

Very happy with it

Yay! Thank you for bussing your buddy.

[gobbledygook]

Hnmmm VOTE: Skitter

[gobbledygook]

do u scumread pine ?

Yes

[gobbledygook]

I don’t think you ask if I scumread Pine when I say he’s bussing a buddy. I also don’t think your catchup is really doing anything to discern alignments. Like the elements quote to numbers is ???

[gobbledygook]

Skitter town

VOTE: ARO

Pine isgut but I hated his happy vote comment. That also seemed easy

[gobbledygook]

Hey guys

I’m about 90% sure Cyrus is also scum

Thinking this as well. Pine town now.

[gobbledygook]

Skitter you are town for your response about Elements.

[gobbledygook]

I don’t think you fake it as fast as you typed it

[gobbledygook]

Please explain your wincondition

[gobbledygook]

I think they are lying

[gobbledygook]

Cyrus didn’t want to get involved in the current discussion because he didn’t know howp

[gobbledygook]

I want to know what their win condition is because it sounds like they need to live past a certain day if a lyncher is against them which seems sketchy

[gobbledygook]

I find it odd that once Gay dance is mentioned the posting style turns into lowercase

[gobbledygook]

specifically i'd think the person is town because if they were scum they could just NK me to manipulate their condition into fulfilling and that's too boring/bad

I think they are lying

Why do u think this?

I need to use a computer to crtl f but I will use this post as reference because I think even more so now they are lying

[gobbledygook]

I want to know what their win condition is because it sounds like they need to live past a certain day if a lyncher is against them which seems sketchy

Not sure i got that vibe

R u an alt ?

I’ve played on Smash boards another website

[gobbledygook]

Skitter I want you to think really hard about that post you quoted and their reactions vis a vis Fireball with them thinking that the lyncher is town

[gobbledygook]

I'll clarify a little - it's not

exactly

a lyncher as in they AUTO win when I'm dead but let's just say their life becomes a LOT EASIER with me dead.

Hmmmmm

Ok. Time for business turkey.

Angles and Fireball had a fairly one way death spiral. Angles spent most of the time saying that Fireball was wrong, but never calling them scum. It is then revealed that Angles believes Fireball to be a lyncher. After revealing this fact, Angles then votes Fireball. It is later asserted from Angles that they think the lyncher is most likely town because it wouldn't make sense for the lyncher to be mafia if they could just nightkill the person. Why would someone vote someone they strongly believe to be town based upon role information? Either they do not think that, or they are lying about the wincon. I can see in the heat of the moment Angles voting Fireball. I could very easily see that. But to vote them after speculating about Fireball being the lyncher and more than likely discussing among themselves that the lyncher is town? That is scummy to me.

[gobbledygook]

The insistence on wanting to know ARO's wincon/thinking they're lying sticks out some as possibly scum, but only ever so slightly. THe main difference between him and Penguin/Baezu Leaf is that gobble is actively participating in the thread whereas Penguin /Baezu Leaf aren't.

So if I lurked, I would not be scumread? Good to know!

[gobbledygook]

a lot of stances he's taken are conveniently useful.

What does this mean?

in general i feel like his playstyle has been encouraging a lot of people to play in a way to appease him, you know?

What does this mean?

[gobbledygook]

It feels like a bad game to have more than just town/mafia be mutually exclusive wins. Like to have Town A need player C alive and Town B need player C dead seems really mean.

[gobbledygook]

Why do you think Fireball's actions are indicative of scum? After all, you admitted there is the possibility he is a town-aligned lyncher on your slot.

What is the point of asking this Numbers if you're just going to say that Angles course of action is reasonable?

[gobbledygook]

Why do you think Fireball's actions are indicative of scum? After all, you admitted there is the possibility he is a town-aligned lyncher on your slot.

What is the point of asking this Numbers if you're just going to say that Angles course of action is reasonable?

It helps me understand your viewpoint better.

How would you asking Angles a question help you understand my view point better?

[gobbledygook]

Hmmm

[gobbledygook]

a lot of stances he's taken are conveniently useful.

What does this mean?

in general i feel like his playstyle has been encouraging a lot of people to play in a way to appease him, you know?

What does this mean?

you should know what this means.

I would like you to explain more explicitly.

[gobbledygook]

From a mafia theory perspective, I don’t see how that second is one scummy unless the agenda was something openly anti-town like lurking, mass claiming, tunneling, or spam posting. What agenda do you think I am trying to push?

[gobbledygook]

agendas can change and you should know that

Do I know you? Or is this the metaphorical You-as-a-person-with-a-brain?

my point isn't that you're actively planning stuff, it's that you're setting the stage to make it easier on yourself when you do plan some stuff.

You keep using this amorphous phraseology to describe my play and I don’t like it. You’re either seeing shadows or talking out of your tail feathers. You can’t articulate what “agenda” I am pushing, just that I am pushing an “agenda” or at least laying the ground work for some “agenda”.

“The Turkey is doing...

THINGS

!”

“What kind of things?”

“I don’t know! But they are

bad things

!”

“What makes them bad?”

“Because! Because.. because I think he’s up to something!”

“What do you mean?”

Start back at sentence 1

Do you not see how nonsensical that seems?

[gobbledygook]

I think Skitter is being oddly aggressive with Fireball. Her earlier play gives me a totally different vibe for a player than her current play.

[gobbledygook]

Well you see that’s where you’re wrong

[gobbledygook]

I

don’t

have a brain

[gobbledygook]

and you're completely misrepping your own play as well as the way i've characterized it.

I don’t think I am. I think you’re afraid of calling this gut read well... a gut read.

[gobbledygook]

That’s true. I don’t understand a lot.

[gobbledygook]

Do you have any scum reads ACO?

[gobbledygook]

votec ount 1.5

Acute Right Obtuse

(4): Pine, PenguinPower, Baezu Leaf, gobbledygook

gobbledygook

(2): 123456789, Dr Easy Bake

123456789

(1): Skygazer

Channel Fireball

(1): skitter30

cyrus62

(1): Elements

skitter30

(1): Channel Fireball

Not Voting

(3): 0verki11, cyrus62,

Acute Right Obtuse

majority is 7
(expired on 2019-08-17 06:30:00)

Do you have any scum reads ACO?

I'll have some when people start playing

Ur my only real SR as of now

[gobbledygook]

Is anyone town reading ARO?

[gobbledygook]

So your town read still stands? Even after everything I’ve posted?

[gobbledygook]

gobble can u start playing the game in good faith

gobble can u start playing the game in good faith

gobble can u start playing the game in good faith

u should also be aware that i dont vote as either alignment gobble and i know you're trying to bait me to vote you so you can use it later on.

nah, i'm not doing that.

“The Turkey is a mastermind! Quick! Grab the tinfoil!!”

If that’s the case, then I will concede the no voting point.

[gobbledygook]

Nope. Read again. I found your interactions with Fireball and the lyncher stuff to be contradictory. I also thought it was scummy you were scumreading me yet had no vote. I will concede the later point.

[gobbledygook]

I don’t see how I’m playing this game in bad faith..?

[gobbledygook]

idk. it feels like you're looking for stuff to

push

rather than

sort

and that's what i mean by bad faith.

When did those become mutually exclusive?

[gobbledygook]

also, why concede the latter point instantly instead of actually making sure i'm not lying? why not make sure i don't just refuse to vote as scum because wagonomics are scary?

I did exactly that. I checked your games and it does appear to be your meta.

[gobbledygook]

u took all of 6 minutes and i provided no links and u had to go back to mini 2093 "the search" and post "yeah this is his meta." and then ur like "Yup I checked his Meta and He's Right" so i just wanna ask you, how did u do this in 6 minutes?

Yes. I checked the large theme forum because Gay Dance had been mentioned and I remembered a another ongoing Large game where I saw your name has been flipped and I checked that too. It was pretty quick, I was just looking to see if you voted so I scrolled through your isos without reading anything. From your perspective, why would I lie about this if it is indeed your meta?

[gobbledygook]

I think DEB is probably town. I think Elements is town.

[gobbledygook]

Why is EasyBake town?

Gut.

[gobbledygook]

He might have a guilty on you

[gobbledygook]

VOTE: Cyrus

[gobbledygook]

As the newbie mod that seems mean to do to a newbie.

[gobbledygook]

You’re not hammered Cyrus

[gobbledygook]

Does Sky like to hammertest?

[gobbledygook]

Does Sky like to hammertest?

Hi my name is DEB and I like to hammer.

Hi, DEB

What brings you to hammerers’ anonymous?

[gobbledygook]

hi im here, ill catch up when I get home tonight. IRL kind of took over sorry.

Oh you’ll have a lot of time to catchup

[gobbledygook]

Why wouldn’t you block Numbers?

[gobbledygook]

I obviously don’t mean who hammered I mean who pushed it

Pine but Cyrus was acting really scummy so they all just flooded on

[gobbledygook]

I do not trust PP and Pine but do thank them for Cyrus.

VOTE: ARO

[gobbledygook]

Doesn’t make sense to me that you wouldn’t block Numbers. That’s why I don’t trust you

[gobbledygook]

You believed Cryus for his other claims, if you believed him about that you would have a 50/50 to knowingly block the shot

[gobbledygook]

Pine dies and you didn’t block the kill, then you know Cyrus was telling the truth about Numbers and get Numbers the next day regardless. So what if town Pine dies? Now we have less definitive proof that Cyrus was telling the truth

[gobbledygook]

If you’re right about Numbers and you block him making the kill you accomplish both of the objectives - saving Pine and confirming Numbers beyond a doubt.

Saving Pine makes it more likely Numbers is scum, but doesn’t prove it. Makes no sense was not appropriate. It does make sense why you did it, but I woood have done the above. Higher risk, higher reward imo

[gobbledygook]

I think gobble is kinda scummy too

You thought wrong

[gobbledygook]

I think gobble is kinda scummy too

You thought wrong

ok

your vote on cyrus was also p bad

No it wasn’t

[gobbledygook]

Because I’m town

[gobbledygook]

What makes it bad?

[gobbledygook]

I don’t know why people would think it’s bad. That’s why I asked you

[gobbledygook]

Ok that’s fair

[gobbledygook]

To be fair, Numbers alt win con and ability sounds so geared towards his win con and could very easily be equated to a scum governor. The fact that my win con is neigh unattainable and my ability literally useless makes me think he is more likely scum because of it

[gobbledygook]

That is definitely an accurate interpretation of my play style and I don’t know how to fix it. Please help

[gobbledygook]

I feel like 1.3 might be a good starting point with the ARO wagon

[gobbledygook]

Does CC like or dislike playing scum because they are active elsewhere and they have been generally not present in this game

[gobbledygook]

Anyone for a DEB wagon?

Nah. Join ARO or vote Numbers.

[gobbledygook]

I played mafia on Smash boards Menalque

[gobbledygook]

I think DEB is probably town. I think Elements is town.

kinda weird that you're actually TRing deb for his content at this point in the game tho

Gut mainly. I have a feeling I won’t actually be able to read Deb

[gobbledygook]

Pine do you normally play this stilted?

[gobbledygook]

menalque, i thought this post, in conjunction with some of your other ones (i.e. the ones saying you liked some of my reads), you were implying that since some of my stances match yours{the beazu one in particular youpulled out} you thought it was more likely that we were living in the universe where i'm scum with a mindset that's vibing with your town!mindset

What about his post made you think Menalque thought it was more likely to be in a universe where you are scum matching his mindset? I know you said you misread but what part of that post did you misread to make you think that

[gobbledygook]

Can we just run 123456789 to 8 to confirm and then lynch Menalque because he annoys me?

Didn’t we already do that? I think Menalque is town though

[gobbledygook]

VOTE: Numbers

Fireball are you the lyncher thing that needs ARO dead?

[gobbledygook]

menalque, i thought this post, in conjunction with some of your other ones (i.e. the ones saying you liked some of my reads), you were implying that since some of my stances match yours{the beazu one in particular youpulled out} you thought it was more likely that we were living in the universe where i'm scum with a mindset that's vibing with your town!mindset

What about his post made you think Menalque thought it was more likely to be in a universe where you are scum matching his mindset? I know you said you misread but what part of that post did you misread to make you think that

i'm not sure i can answer this question satisfactorily at this time

For ingame reasons or for other reasons?

[gobbledygook]

Numbers who are you scumreading?

[gobbledygook]

You are a lyncher, have a vig shot, and a rolecop. Why is my role so shit compared to yours

[gobbledygook]

Role wise that sounds like not a town role just like Numbers

[gobbledygook]

I’m not sure the Rolecop even helps town. That entire role seems singularly focuses to achieve its alt win con.

[gobbledygook]

I wonder if Chanel is also acting this way because Cyrus may have totally screwed the scum team and outted a partner in Numbers.

[gobbledygook]

*snaps for Penguin*

[gobbledygook]

Possible - but I'd rather lynch 132456789 first in that case

Agreed

[gobbledygook]

Yeah I don’t understand Skitter right now not wanting to go through with Numbers death

[gobbledygook]

How about this:

I know that the outlaw can activate their power. If ARO is outlaw, they can become an IC and prove that what I say is right. It's a strict benefit for everyone.

How about we do that? Let's see who wants some free townie points.

- Fireball.

It’s not a night ability?

[gobbledygook]

I thought I took this game seriously, but sheesh. CF takes the cake with that

[gobbledygook]

I wonder if Skitter is the last buddy. I feel like if we test the “if it walks like a duck and talks like a duck” with Numbers theory that will give us information on CF’s role.

[gobbledygook]

VOTE: CRO

Everyone should vote this until he reveals himself as IC or not.

-Chanel

Why exactly should we do that?

[gobbledygook]

I guess it would be weird for him to freak out about a lyncher then the lyncher claims and then he isn’t that role

[gobbledygook]

Winner winner, turkey dinner

[gobbledygook]

What does EC mean

[gobbledygook]

Well Numbers isn’t scum hunting that’s for damn sure. Deb Gob scum read? Seriously? Low hanging fruit right there. Everyone playing like a 3P survivor but forgetting they need the town to win for their alt win con to even matter. People playing very short sighted imo

[gobbledygook]

Pine do you normally play this stilted?

What do you mean by this?

Short sighted design to make half the town wincons impossible to achieve and thus giving town 0 incentive to play like town since they can't win according to RAW

but strictly speaking that conversation should be held for post

-Chanel

Yeah that’s fair

[gobbledygook]

Not outlaw

[gobbledygook]

I mean why would lynch ARO if he was IC that seems like definitely not the move when we have more than likely scum Numbers?

If I had to wager a guess, Skitter needs Numbers alive to win her alt win con

[gobbledygook]

Not seeing Menalque but would like to understand why you scumread him. I’m town reading him right now

[gobbledygook]

I mean why would lynch ARO if he was IC that seems like definitely not the move when we have more than likely scum Numbers?

If I had to wager a guess, Skitter needs Numbers alive to win her alt win con

Idk, people seem to be supporting the idea, which i think is asinine

I dont need numbers alive

Alright cool so let’s get him

[gobbledygook]

I feel like this game with the wincons is almost not even mafia anymore lmao

[gobbledygook]

D) when numbers suggested lynching deb after the lolhammer, gobble (i think) said something to the effect of: and if they flip town you're ok with us lynching you next?
And numbers said: sure!

That wasn’t me

[gobbledygook]

i guess it would make sense to make scum super loved to “balance” it against town’s powers...

I’m in

VOTE: numbers

Super loved BP

If this flips Red it gives credibility to CF

[gobbledygook]

His catchup seemed really town to me and his random claiming of role stuff seemed town

[gobbledygook]

Uhh what

[gobbledygook]

To be fair, Numbers alt win con and ability sounds so geared towards his win con and could very easily be equated to a scum governor. The fact that my win con is neigh unattainable and my ability literally useless makes me think he is more likely scum because of it

Well Numbers isn’t scum hunting that’s for damn sure. Deb Gob scum read? Seriously? Low hanging fruit right there. Everyone playing like a 3P survivor but forgetting they need the town to win for their alt win con to even matter. People playing very short sighted imo

@Numbers

Still think I don’t have any original reasons or scumhunting? As if i needed another reason, Pine and PP have claimed an all but guilty on you. I really don’t need my own reasons... but i do so... yeah

Also, why are you only concerned about my vote on you? Your scum read on me came at a time when everyone and their grandma was casting suspicion in my direction and you were going with the flow with that read. That Deb read and vote is also just super lazy considering it’s Deb

[gobbledygook]

Numbers is L-3

[gobbledygook]

Seems it's been used. What are the conditions?

Non-mafia targeting me for a "vigshot"

[gobbledygook]

Skitter and Menalque you should just vote Numbers so at the very least we can reorient ourselves for tomorrow. CF too if they want to give us this good will to go after ARO tomorrow.

[gobbledygook]

Ok at least you’re being rational about this

[gobbledygook]

You know what Menal, if you show me yours I’ll show you mine

[gobbledygook]

Cyrus was a newb and maybe thought Pine/Penguin would honor their agreement. I don’t really know why he did but he did. You can ask him in the dead thread though

[gobbledygook]

I think someone claimed the Prophet, ARO

[gobbledygook]

Is the false whisperer mafia, ARO?

[gobbledygook]

If the answer to that is yes then full claim might be in order

[gobbledygook]

I’m not outlaw, I’m the damsel and I have to chose a prince to win

[gobbledygook]

I had to choose a prince pregame by the way so like good luck to me if I chose scum. They have to live to endgame. My ability is to send a message after I’m dead lmao so... like fuck me I guess

[gobbledygook]

At least we have a 50/50- only one of ARO/sky is scum

Why

[gobbledygook]

eh fine i'll fullclaim.

i'm the True whisperer and i have to live and have the Prophet guess who i am at endgame. i know the prophet is town

I think someone claimed the Prophet, ARO

Who?

I actually thought it was you. But you just said you thought someone was prophet and I’m day drinking at a beac so I don’t know anything anymore. Carry me

[gobbledygook]

My wincon is either i live to endgame or my prince does yet I have no way to actually control that. Am I’m P sure my prince dies tomorrow

[gobbledygook]

Pine you weren’t even voting ARO? You were voting Numbers?

[gobbledygook]

Numbers is the play today and then we can explore Sky and ARO

[gobbledygook]

Leaf what would you say the likelihood Numbers is scum. Give me a percentage

[gobbledygook]

Given Cyrus it is higher than 50% so I think it is worth it from every objective standpoint to close that chapter and remove him while we can rather than wait until day 4. All other selections are at best 50% unless we have a cop or something

[gobbledygook]

I get that some of you may have to keep him alive beyond day 2 but unless you’re offering as near a guarantee as Numbers, it isn’t worth it. Remember you have to satisfy your town wincon to even have a chance with your alt wincon

[gobbledygook]

Pine why not also vote Numbers?

[gobbledygook]

Just once?

[gobbledygook]

That’s rough too

[gobbledygook]

it should be transparently obvious skyg is lying but idk if that makes her scum.

i also can send messages but uh we forgot.

Did you claim your wincondition already?

[gobbledygook]

ARO’s wincon seems really easy too. Must be nice

[gobbledygook]

I’m pretty sure we can satisfy 90% of alt wincons

[gobbledygook]

Why is the Brit talking about the NFL

[gobbledygook]

I would like if the people not voting gorge than Pine could explain why.

[gobbledygook]

Is this game as easy as Numbers into ARO?

[gobbledygook]

Baezu Leaf is too erratic for me to follow

[gobbledygook]

I don’t get how we are not on Numbers anymore?

[gobbledygook]

I’m dense but why does them pushing for ARO mean they are going for you? To get you to claim that ARO is more likely town because they could have been shot at?

[gobbledygook]

Why did you think ARO was prophet?

[gobbledygook]

@BL

[gobbledygook]

Deb should probably just claim at this point

[gobbledygook]

VOTE: channel

Why?

VOTE: sky

Why?

[gobbledygook]

Baezu/Elements, you’ve got your group wrong

The group is Empress/Guard/Guard

The scum in it is Numbers.

Why

Cyrus gave up Numbers as his scumbuddy. He was looking to trade info in order to work together

But doesnt cyrus need scum to win to win? Like completing his alt wincon doesnt help him if scum lose so why i dont get why he'd give up a buddy here

^ what i meant to write; not sure what happened with the quotes

Cyrus implied that Numbers personally had to go down, as well as another condition

Why did you think that meant Numbers was scum? That seems like it means Numbers had to die for his alt wincon?

[gobbledygook]

BaezuLeaf, you need to wincon claim. DEB, you need to fullclaim. The Whisperers need to come out and full claim because their cross voting doesn't make sense to me unless they know that the other one is confirmed scum. Plus, some people have abilities that are beyond their wincons, but others are seem specific for their exact wincons, which seems odd unless it is tried to balance for the original town v. mafia wincon, which I guess is plausible.

Channel, you need to explain a couple of things...

1) Did you actually scumread ARO? Was that tell a load of crap to disguise your lyncher wincon?
2) How did you know that ARO was your target almost instantly?

ARO, you also need to explain a couple of things...

What exactly does your wincon state? You spouted that you knew someone needed to get you lynched. What did you mean by that?
Why didn't you use your message ability last night?

BaezuLeaf, why did you target ARO for a protection last night?

Pine and PenguinePower, why did neither of you attempt to hammer Cyrus if hammering scum was your wincon?

[gobbledygook]

im voting sky because she'll flip as false regardless of her alignment.

Ok... how do you know that? How does that help you? How does that help Skitter? How does that help the town?

---

Everyone is playing like a 3P and it is very, very frustrating.

[gobbledygook]

Yeah unless ARO or Sky can say that the other is definitively scum, there’s actually no point in trying to parse them because it doesn’t affect anyone else’s wincon and Skitter just has to choose correctly.

I wish Pine and Penguin had answered my question, or anyone had really answered my questions but...

[gobbledygook]

Pine and PenguinePower, why did neither of you attempt to hammer Cyrus if hammering scum was your wincon?

[gobbledygook]

Why do you think there is scum in the whisperers?

[gobbledygook]

How do we straight up lose by not going after CF?

[gobbledygook]

i'm guessing the false one wins if i id them as the true one but this is also just a guess

That makes sense.

This is like that riddle... one person always tells the truth and the other always tells lies

[gobbledygook]

Ok. I think I have a solution.

[gobbledygook]

So your role knows about the prophet and whatever the hell CF is?

[gobbledygook]

Bird Brained Plan

Win cons that are realistically achievable -
Pine/PP - hammer scum
Skygazer/ARO/Skitter - chose real Whisperer
Elements/Menalque - name bandits (done)
Numbers - live to Day 4

Win cons that are not realistically achievable -

BaezuLeaf ???
CF ???
Deb ???
Gobbledygook - Prince lives to endgame, if dead I have to live to endgame. My prince is Elements, but he probably dead because he is a bodyguard. IDC if we string him if he ends up being scum, but I am revealing the prince for full disclosure.

---

"But Mr. Turkey! How do we achieve this? We are but a town that is beset by political infighting because we all want to achieve our alt wincons before ever considering that we need to also achieve our MAIN wincons! We want to rip each other apart, stall this game out, and NEVER compromise! We want everyone to have a

shitty

unenjoyable game because if I can't win, no one can win!"

First, shut the cluck up. All of you. Second, this is how.

Today is Day 2. We are currently at 10:2 (ty Pine and PP for ruining Cyrus's mafia career before it ever began. PP you should be ashamed as Newbie mod. )

Pine and PP will be the hammer on ALL wagons for as long as they are alive. PenguinPower will be the first hammer because he is a JK who has high nightkill priority as a result. Once he has achieved a hammer on scum, Pine will then have hammer priority. THE BODYGUARDS WILL PROTECT BOTH PINE AND PP EVERY SINGLE NIGHT. This has the double-plus-good effect of protecting our Jailkeeper, but also giving us enough time to find all the scum so that Pine and PP can realistically achieve their wincon. This also has the added effect of not affecting Menalque and Elements alt win con AT ALL. This has a less desirable affect of hurting my own alt win con, but I

will count this game as a town win regardless of my alt wincon

think I have the least fragile psyche/ego of this entire playerlist and I do not care about my alt wincon since it is particularly difficult to achieve

don't care.

Here comes the bad news - CF probably does not satisfy their alt wincon. But it is ok! You'll be able to take this a win in your heart and if you're town, you will be putting the town in a much better place!

We are going to be stringing up CF today. Why? Because we can satisfy Number's alt win con and still get rid of them at a later date. Based off everything that CF has done, and said, they need to go. They claimed to be multitasking (wtf), they claimed to need to kill a town IC (double wtf), and then they tried to blackmail the town in a childish rage (triple wtf). In short, they need to go. Like EP said, some people will necessarily not "fully win".

What do we do at night you may ask? Well, PP targets one of Deb/Pine/BaezuLeaf/Myself. Why? Well, Deb is the IC at this point so he is guaranteed town, Pine because apparently the mafia shot him, Baezu because he is a doctor, and myself because my alt win needs me or Elements to survive. Since I have already forgone the reality that Elements lives, I would personally like PP to target me. However, all choices above are equally good choices.

ANY INVESTIGATIVES TARGET SKY/ARO/NUMBERS

Worst case scenario (CF ends up being town, we don't block a kill) we go into Day 3 with 8:2.

What do we do at that point? That is less certain, but basically I say this is the day that we sort the Whisperers and Prophets, but that might not be a good idea. Truthfully, the only person who can probably help Skitter find the True Whisperer is CF, but I trust CF -100%. That's a lot of distrust, folks. Plus, Skitter already has a good shot of choosing correctly. Her real odds are 50/50, but I would say based off day play her True odds are probably 60/40. That said, what do we do on Day 3!? Well, we choose between Sky or ARO. I think that is a good plan because both of those slots have A LOT of uncertainty surrounding them. I have my own reservations about both of them and I have no clue who is the True Whisperer vs the False Whisperer, but maybe getting rid of one will help with that.

What do we do at night?

REPEAT WHAT WE DID NIGHT 2 BUT NOW INCLUDE BAEZULEAF, TY

Worst case scenario we go into Day 4 at 6:2

What do we do today? Well I am glad you asked! We sort the remaining Whisperer or sort Numbers. He said that his win con requires him to live to at least Day 4 and well, he would have lived to at least day 4 and should freely offer up his body.

What do we do at night?

REPEAT WHAT WE DID NIGHT 3 BUT NOW INCLUDE DEB, TY

Worst cas scenario we go into Day 5 at 4:2?

I don't know what we do at this point, maybe play mafia? Sort remainder of Numbers/Whiperers IDK sounds like a good idea to me. MyLo and so we vote to no stringing and then hope to the gods that some people remember how to play mafia

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CAPICHE? capiche

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VOTE: CF

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That seems like a fair enough compromise. Maybe I'm wrong on you.
VOTE: Channel Firebird

You’re definitely wrong on me but whatever at this point. I’ll take a town win and rub it in all of your faces when my plan gets there. Some of you will applaud me like I’m Spartacus in the Colosseum, others will deplore me, and others will be face down on the ground with a mace stuck to the back of their skull.

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Well regardless of that, protectives should be protecting PP and Pine for good faith. I’m still annoyed that despite knowing their wincon and believing so strongly in Cyrus scum neither of them hammered him but thats fine. If they lied about the win con their loss is on them

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I’m prettty sure that CF and Numbers have a good chance of both being scum given their roles so it’s ok we can knock this out

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CF is L-2 by the way

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Let’s *clap* Get *clap* This *clap* Bread *clap*

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L-1 for those of you playing at home

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Pine you can either join us or get left behind. The choice is yours

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You and PP have a golden more than likely scum hammer opportunity RN. Don’t let a rando take it from which autoloses you or PP on day 4

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Day 4 = easier because then Numbers will self vote and if he doesn’t it’s a scum claim and we don’t have consensus on a scumclaim then I will find you in other games and make your lives miserable

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How does mafia win in 2 days when I have detailed worst case scenario we are in Lylo on a day 6 after 3 mislynches and 4 town nightkills

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You are hiding something

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Why are the Royal Guards and Empress intertwined?

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Usurper

https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Usurper

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Turkey, if Pine/PP are lying about stuff does that fuck up the plan

Not really, it might make them less willing to use their PRs to help us though but like I said we can revisit this issue tomorrow if it is really an issue

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I had to choose pregame and I chose you because you didn’t seem like a newb that would get instakilled

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Like even if PP and Pine’s wincon was to kill Numbers before a day 4 I would still probably give it to them because it’s two people and their ability is useful to town me. Numbers ability is now ueslesss. Plus, Pine and PP gave us Cyrus and Numbers is going after me (lol) and going after Deb (lol). So like Numbers at this point isn’t even really helping the town. My plan was a courtesy to him

However that said, I would need Pine and PP to be truthful and so far today I don’t think they are. How about this, first who is truthful about their full roles (PP/Pine and Numbers) I will grant my persuasion to

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this is what governance is like, real talk

You’re gonna piss off some people, and it’s better to piss off the few and the useless than piss off the more and the useful

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EP ty for this high school government class

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Sorry for spam but like really Pine and PP need to come clean because collectively we hold more sway than they do. Without their help we are only down 1 vote because presumably Numbers will follows town with whatever it does that isn’t killing him.

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BaezuLeaf, you need to wincon claim. DEB, you need to fullclaim. The Whisperers need to come out and full claim because their cross voting doesn't make sense to me unless they know that the other one is confirmed scum. Plus, some people have abilities that are beyond their wincons, but others are seem specific for their exact wincons, which seems odd unless it is tried to balance for the original town v. mafia wincon, which I guess is plausible.

Channel, you need to explain a couple of things...

1) Did you actually scumread ARO? Was that tell a load of crap to disguise your lyncher wincon?
2) How did you know that ARO was your target almost instantly?

ARO, you also need to explain a couple of things...

What exactly does your wincon state? You spouted that you knew someone needed to get you lynched. What did you mean by that?
Why didn't you use your message ability last night?

BaezuLeaf, why did you target ARO for a protection last night?

Pine and PenguinePower, why did neither of you attempt to hammer Cyrus if hammering scum was your wincon?

Answering these questions could help me think you’re town because right now your play doesn’t really inspire much faith that you’re town. Also from my perspective how am I supposed to truly know I’m not going toward town win con by stringing you? That’s a bad argument.

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Who are your mains?

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I do think you’re lying about your role. I don’t think you had a vig. I think you are just an RC

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BL and Deb need to full claim, but I think BL is waiting for Deb to full claim for whatever reason..

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Pine/PP, what happens if the player with the Crown jewel gets modkilled? What happens if a non-bandit gets the Crown Jewel?

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Do the Royal guards really just have to name the bandits..?

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Cause I think that’s a lie

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But like they aren’t hidden... so... they’ve lost?

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I think both Sky and ARO are town weirdly enough

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Wouldn’t it be funny if even though a faction won, no one satisfied their alt wincon.

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I’m down, I also think ARO is lying about being conditional BP for some reason but

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Numbers is quite literally a raid boss

VOTE: Numbers

Gimme loot

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Yeah if CF wants good town will they can shoot Sky

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Because that seems dumb and like a 3P faction

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Is there a way to satisfy all of these altwincons?

Some of them appear to be explicitly against one another.

Whisperers and the Prophets are against one another
Empress and the bandits are against one another
CF and Deb/BL against one another

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I believe I did that already with the only change being Pine and PP have to get strung up at some point

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Alright. Let’s get crackalackin

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All aboard!

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Pine or PP need to hammer

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I have activated the DEB SIGNAL

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CF will kill us tonight if we don’t lynch him today
Numbers is NOT scum

-bae

Relax. PP can JK you or him

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I have activated the ARO SIGNAL

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I have the activated the SKITTER SIGNAL

Maybe she wants to be town and vote Numbers