Mini Normal 2101 - Electronic Music Mafia [GAME OVER]

[PMysterious]

Good morning everyone. I hope everyone is having a good day today.

[PMysterious]

Well then, this took a slightly expected turn. It usually doesn't take long for RVS to end, from my experience anyway. So, from what I gathered, the main wagon is Luca, with the person starting the wagon being Azuresky, based loosely on past experiences with Luca (from what was gathered with the living post counter).

The games that Azure has been a part of are Newbie 1954, this one, and another that is ongoing.

The past experience likely comes from Newbie 1954, where Luca replaced out a little while after Azure replaced in, and the same hostilities are still there.

VOTE: PMmysterious

Now THATS a name I havent heard from in YEARS

So, if I may ask, you joined this site about a month ago, so, out of curiosity, how do you know me even from a few years back?

[PMysterious]

Looking back, the wagon on Azure felt rushed. Let's see the people that were on the Azure wagon.

Robbnva, Luca Blight, Fallsoul, Tchill13, Azuresky, Vorkuta

Looking back, Azuresky was clearly throwing the game at this point, with Vortuka's hammer being the nail. Vortuka did intend to hammer, so that fifth vote was needed.

Of the people on the wagon, here are the following motivations.

Robb- Initially voted Azuresky as a serious vote based on her comment on one of the four players that didn't RV was scum.

Luca Blight- Based on the massive pressure Azure was putting onto Luca based on the post counter and other stuff along the lines of that.

Fallsoul- Based on the arguments made against Azure being scum by the other players prior to him/her on the wagon.

Tchill- Voted Azure at first but then backed off when Azure was seen as a newbie, as stated by him. Once the "newbie status" was off, he went back on.

Vortuka- Again, based on the intent to hammer.

So, of these 5 in the wagon, I can say that one of them might be scum. So, let's go through the arguments made.

Fallsoul- Simply jumped on the wagon based on actions that were there.

Tchill- Only voted away when he thought Azure was a newbie. This would be considered advantageous for the Mafia since the lack of experience could be a factor in getting an easier win than usual.

Robb- Came off as really defensive based on the accusation, which doesn't sit well.

All in all, I think one of the scum is in these three, based on how they acted during the wagon. Vort, I assume just wanted to get out of the day, and Luca seemed lax about it for the most part outside of the vote.

If I missed anything, let me know.

[PMysterious]

Yeah, I'm well aware that I wasn't really on much that phase, but on the day I planned to post, turns out, the thread was locked. The wagon was rushed, and that's my biggest concern.

i actually think that vork had one of the worst votes out of all of them. why are you waiving away his vote?

i don't really feel like the day should have ended there, and i didn't really get the vibe that he just wanted the day to end either and that's why he hopped on
(tbf i also read the whole day in one chunk overnight so it's possible i missed something)

This is a solid point, but at the end of the day, Azure was throwing, so either a lynch was going to happen and Azure could still win as Town or Scum or Azure would be replaced or mod-killed for throwing. In the event of a Mod-Kill, then we wouldn't even know what role she was because she would have been turned into a Survivor. I think the hammer was necessary given the circumstances, and Vortuka did give the intent to hammer on constant occasions. If he's scum, then yeah, that was an easy out, but in that circumstance, it was either have a Mod-Kill end the day, a lynch end the day, or have the impending replacement get hammered anyway. There was nothing that the replacement could use as a defense since there was nothing to defend against, and being at L-1 would only make things worse.

I just think Vortuka is Town based on the intent to hammer without going for the sudden hammer out of nowhere, a tactic that Scum would do in this circumstance.

Again, I was absent for most of the day, and I only found out about these events recently, so this is my interpretation.

[PMysterious]

It would be wiser to look at Nom’s opinions, given scum wanted her out of the game above anyone else.

I just checked her ISO, and from what I gathered, Nom had thoughts on Fallsoul and Havo. Fallsoul also happened to be on the wagon for Azure, so there's some connection there as well. Easy lynch Day 1, follow it up with eliminating someone who was onto you.

It can't be this easy

. There's no way that two coincidences happen back to back like that without some sort of caveat (for example, an easy false accusation onto someone else).

[PMysterious]

To be fair, there's not a whole lot for anyone to make out of Day 1, outside of the Azure wagon and all of the shenanigans surrounding that.

[PMysterious]

Seriously though, PM's above posts don't really do anything for me. I don't get his line about my 'motivation' for being on the Azure wagon. I didn't just vote her because she put me under pressure - that had nothing to do with it whatsoever. I don't really like the analysis in general, particularly the points about Tchill and Rob at the end. And I'm not as likely to be scum because I was 'lax' about the wagon? Again, I don't get it.

The line of reasoning dealt with a past game (which I might have mentioned, or I probably forgot to mention it). But, it's a game you replaced out of after Azure got replaced in. Azure probably wanted you to be more active in the game and was reaction testing you with the "that's 4" post and stuff similar to it. I'll look through the ISO, but at the moment, I don't think you are Scum. My reasoning for pointing it out is to point out how each player handled the wagon, since that's the only thing we can go off of from Day 1.

[PMysterious]

PM, you seem to have a few SR’s but you’re not pushing them or voting anyone. Any reason for this?

I don't want to push any scum read unless I'm certain about it. All I have for each of them is the Azure wagon and their reasons (as stated on their posts and by the actions of Azure) for being on said wagon. By itself, this is not a lot to go off of, but it does act as a solid starting point, since as stated by so many people, it clearly is not an all-town wagon.

[PMysterious]

So, I'm accused of being scum based on how I'm playing this game. Well, I can tell you that I am not Scum. I'm trying to figure things out just as much as the next guy, and I want to try to be useful in some way, shape, or form. However, with not a lot to go off of, I can't say anyone is scum with certainty. I'll give me reads tomorrow at best and give my reasoning as to why I think them. I'm not certain on any of them, which is why I haven't voted yet.

My biggest fear is being wrong, and I don't want to be the ringleader (or be any part) of a bad lynch because of uncertainty.

[PMysterious]

I haven't played much in the past 2 years. I'm just now getting back into Mafia again. So, my playstyle may be a little different from before. It's been 7 years since then after all.

Outside of that, I can't really add a lot at the moment.

[PMysterious]

I feel like PM is trying deliberately not to do anything scummy, which is scummy in itself.

When you get lynched constantly, wouldn't you want to be more cautious about what you say or do as well? There's not much that hasn't already been said, and like I mentioned, the Azure wagon is the only real thing to have happened on Day 1.

I might have some questions later on, but whatever the case may be, the reason I'm trying to be cautious, is because I am uncertain.

[PMysterious]

Hello Flavor. Welcome to the game. (Apologies for everyone else here that expected my reads, but I'm getting to those.)

Oh boy

I was actually going to come in defending this slot a little, but I think this is scum indicative.

So, Flavor, if I may ask, what are your thoughts on Fallsoul's vote on Azure? I have Fallsoul as a scumread based on the reasoning he gave for voting Azure, but since you are wanting to defend this slot, I want your thoughts on Fallsoul's play before he replaced out.

[PMysterious]

So, currently, my reads are based on the Azure wagon and nothing else. So, I will only have 5 other players to point out and why I think this way.

Robbnva- Null. Honestly, from reading the ISO, he was aggressive with Azure, and he remained adamant that Azure was scum. However, I didn’t like the arrogance Robb presented in his posts like saying “this will be easy” or stuff like that.

Luca- Town. Not a lot wrong with anything said, and nothing seems off.

Fall/Flavor- Scum. I’ve said this before, the “reasoning” that Fallsoul gave is a bad omen. On top of what seems to be defensive reasoning after the fact, I don’t really like this slot. Again, Flavor, if you are willing to answer me.

You mentioned that you wanted to defend this slot. If you were not Fallsoul’s slot, what would your defense for him be?

Tchill- Null. There are definitely some solid points made by Tchill, but there is one post that’s bothering me, because it just doesn’t feel complete.

I think Luca, Flub and PMysterious need rope.

I dont like overly explaining this early. Those are the ones i think should be pushed.

(Edited to remove unnecessary quotes.)

I am curious about this. So, I have a question.

If you were to explain your reasoning in great detail, what would the tl;dr for the explanation say?

Vort- Null. Called for intent to hammer and did so after the self-vote. Considering the circumstances, I can’t really give a definitive “Town” or “Scum” call on this one. I am leaning toward Town, but it wouldn’t be farfetched to say that Vort is Scum just wanting to get out of the day quick.


Everyone else is null for the time being, because of the lack of other major events that went down around this time.

With that said, I’m going to place my vote down.

VOTE: Flavor

I would like these questions answered before the end of the game day if at all possible.

[PMysterious]

Finally some half-decent content. A couple of questions:

What solid points has Tchill made?

Any thoughts on Skitter defending you before putting Vorkuta at L-2?

To be fair, Tchill was the one that first stated that the Azure wagon couldn't have all been town. That's the main point Tchill has made, but other than that, I can't really think of anything.

As for Skitter, I am thankful that she defended me, and the vote on Vork, considering that I have him as a null at the moment, it's a fair vote.


Looking through, I definitely see why Vork would be the leading wagon, but I'd personally put more emphasis on Flavor Leaf at the moment, because the question I have still hasn't been answered. It's easy to defend the slot that you are occupying, but Flavor stated that he was looking to defend the Fallsoul slot regardless of the slot, so I'm curious about this defense.

[PMysterious]

Apologies for my lack of activity, I've been burned out a bit from other things, I haven't had the best times to check on the board with a stable mind.

I would like these questions answered before the end of the game day if at all possible.

this might be a weird question but if you were scum here how much would you be using the scum pt ?

I would probably check on it when I get the chance to do so. The more times I have to check it, the better, just like any other topic board. Is there any particular reason to ask?

Ugh, I haven’t read completely, and the slowdown of the site messed with me.

I’m VT. I think I’m L-2, right?

Pushing me as “needs to get in here” is a bad reason because I’m an incredibly active scum player, and Havo has seen me as scum.

Okay, but, this doesn't answer my question for you. You're in Fallsoul's slot, but if you weren't, you were going to defend the slot anyway. So, with that said, why have you still not given your defense for if you weren't Fallsoul's replacement, but instead someone else's replacement? I'll get the quote here for you to read and answer.

You mentioned that you wanted to defend this slot. If you were not Fallsoul’s slot, what would your defense for him be?

[PMysterious]

Flavor was saying that he intended to defend Vorkuta, who was the main wagon at the time, but found this remark to be scummy.

Oh boy

I was actually going to come in defending this slot a little, but I think this is scum indicative.

He could have been talking about the Fallsoul slot, which is what I was assuming when I made the question. It was likely a misunderstanding.

I don't know why he thought the remark was scummy, as the context for that one post Vork made might have just been Flavor Leaf coming in and nothing more. Again, likely based on the context of the post, something that's not easy to decipher.

[PMysterious]

Flavor was saying that he intended to defend Vorkuta, who was the main wagon at the time, but found this remark to be scummy.

Oh boy

I was actually going to come in defending this slot a little, but I think this is scum indicative.

Not how I interpreted that at all. I took it to mean he was going to defend the slot he replaced. The reason why I think that’s what he meant is because lots of people think it’s scummy to come in and defend the slot you replaced. There wouldn’t be anything scummy about him coming in defending anyone else if he had a reason to.

So let's look at this from both contexts. The main source can confirm the context later, so it's best to look at it from both angles for the time being.

If he meant to claim that he was defending the Fallsoul slot, it would make sense to think that maybe the replace was scummy. But then Vork saying "Oh boy" would make no sense as a quote. The only thing that could be the case is if this was accidental.

If he meant to claim that he was defending Vork, then it would line up, but then why would Flavor say that Vork saying "Oh boy" is scummy? That's what confuses me about that context.

Either way, there are still questions that need answers, and there's only one source that can give those answers.

[PMysterious]

I don’t get the lack of interest in a PM lynch. His recent post was ok but overall then isn’t much that makes me feel like he is Town.

I would be willing to compromise on lynching any of the following: Slitter, Tchill, Flavor.

Vorkuta is probably Town due to the lack of action in the game while he’s been main wagon.

im def not interested in a pm lynch.

You said he needed rope earlier in the day. What’s changed?

This is a good question. What did change? It's not normal for someone to perform a complete 180 like that, let alone without any reason or rhyme. Again, like Flavor, Tchill never answered the question I had for him, which is a problem for me. A big problem.

UNVOTE:

VOTE: Tchill

Again, why did you say several players needed rope without explaining it right then and there, and what is that explanation? I want to give you the benefit of a doubt, but I can't if you dodge the question.

[PMysterious]

A lot of posts Tchill, but there's one major issue.

You did not answer my question. Dodging the question does not give me any reason to trust you. If you get the time, look through my ISO, find my question, and answer it. If not, then why should I trust you to be Town?

[PMysterious]

Again, like Flavor, Tchill never answered the question I had for him, which is a problem for me. A big problem.

why is this such a problem for you?
or, asked differently, why do you view this as a scummy act

Dodging the question feels like they have something to hide. That is why it is a problem when they don't answer. As long as it doesn't retain to your role, then there's nothing to hide. I don't want to know the exact roles of players, all I want is to believe that the players are Town. By not answering the questions I have, I start to lose faith in any potential Town reads.

[PMysterious]

i dont care to answer lucas questions atm.

Fall soul slot needs a PR action regardless of who replaces into it.

Robb has not done anything AI.

Vork and flavor need rope.

PM is probably town. I like skitter for town too.

Skitter has said stuff I agree with on a reread.

What the hell, you put Flavor at l-1 without even realizing he had replaced into Fallsoul’s slot?

kinda crazy that im judging FL on... FL's play in this game. mind blowing method ik.

You put Flavor to L-1 without even knowing he was in the same slot as FallSoul, which gives me the feeling your ‘scumhunting’ isn’t genuine. You’ve just gone for the easiest option out there without even considering the total value of the slot. It’s either terrible Town play or lazy scum play.

Looking at this myself, and now I am confused myself. How does someone NOT know who replaces a certain slot? The fact this issue came up is concerning, and I'm the guy that started the Flavor wagon. In fact, you were also on the Azure wagon, and when you voted, you said the following.

VOTE: azuresky

I approve of this tunnel. Just messing with Robb a bit it's been a while since we played.

This goes to Luca's point that I put at the top. It seemed like you were taking the easy way out there too. Considering that Day 1 was a rather short day in terms to actual length (not by number of posts), I'd say that it worked out.

Dodging my question, despite being more active than Flavor, dodging other people's questions, and even being on two wagons, one of which you didn't even know the actual reason the wagon was being pushed.

They might not mean much individually, but in this case, they add up to see a scummy player. Is there any reason why we should not lynch Tchill?

[PMysterious]

Flavor, huh? Interesting choice for a night kill. The Vork lynch is also a potential piece of evidence. But now my question is, why did the Mafia target Flavor for the night kill and not someone else? I had Flavor as potential scum based on the Fallsoul slot, something I would have been sure about since the beginning. It bothers me.

[PMysterious]

@Luca,

Can you explain why PM is Town?

ID LIKE TO KNOW ALSO.

Well, I don't want to beat around the bush with this one any longer, since people do want to know why Luca performed a 180 like that.

I am a Friendly Neighbor. I targeted Luca last night to show him I'm Town (which I can assume went through since he's now saying I am town), and on Night 1, I targeted Vork.

[PMysterious]

I strongly believe Robb and PM are Town. I can reveal why after a mass-claim, but I’ll only agree to a mass-claim if it’s in a certain order:

Havo, Skitter, Tchill, Flubs, Robb, PM should be the order.

And if you’re Town then do not lie about your role.

I am on holiday now so will be V/LA until next week, but will still try to be as active as possible.

If I'm reading this correctly, Robb is also a Friendly Neighbor based on the belief that Robb is town. The other thought is that you are a cop and Robb is innocent. Whatever the case may be, it would be best to confirm this now and not later.

[PMysterious]

I'm here, just not sure what to add at this point. Everyone being quiet, that's odd, yet not too odd, since I've modded a game where this has happened.

[PMysterious]

We should prob mass claim

red flag.

Do tell

asking for mass claims is always sketchy as fuck. I hate mass claims and i don't ever see a point.

At this point, we don't know if it's LYLO or not, but if it is, then a mass claim is the best option we have. The fact that you aren't willing to claim is sketchy as well. Skitter asking for a mass claim in this scenario is perfectly normal behavior, open or closed. If you want my opinion on this matter, I say it's best just to claim and get it over with.

Luca, I trust you and all, but why did you have Robb as confirmed Town? I noticed you backpedaled after a little while, and now I'm curious.

[PMysterious]

The fact that you aren't willing to claim is sketchy as well

why?

Any information is good information. I've given away who I am, Havo gave away who he was, Luca might do the same, but why aren't you willing to do so?

If you are against the idea, then only be against it when there's certainly no lylo to worry about. Right now, there is a potential LYLO, and not claiming is the last thing you want to do.

[PMysterious]

but why aren't you willing to do so?

cause i don't see a point to it.

we can have this discussion post game if you want.

Except now there IS A POINT! We could be in LYLO. If the power roles die, at least we know what they did before their death. It's nothing left to lose at this point.

Luca's vt

So it's just a hunch that Robb is town. No confirmation whatsoever. That is terrifying.

[PMysterious]

Okay, this is not going anywhere. If Robb won't claim, then he won't claim. There's nothing we can do about that now.

It's sketchy to not claim in this position, but if he wants to be stubborn, then so be it.

[PMysterious]

why would pm ignore the fact vork should have TR'd them

I didn't notice Vork's play at the time it was happening, considering there were other things going on that I was more concerned about. I did target Vork on Night 1, but on Day 2, I wished to stay low when it came to my power role. Although looking at it now, the fact that he had me as a scum read is strange, as I vividly remember targeting him on Night 1, and I don't think Mafia had any reason to roleblock or JK me given that I didn't post a lot on the previous day. Basically, I was no threat to the Mafia at the time, at least I don't think I was. It could be safe to assume that there is a JK or Roleblocker in the set up that hasn't claimed yet.

[PMysterious]

I’m not saying PM is scum, but his play day 2 after sending the message makes no sense.

Again, I wasn't going to expose my power role at the time. Although, if I was going to be a lynch target, I was going to tell Vork that he should have gotten a message from the mod.

If he was to lynch me after, I would have thought he was throwing or was legitimately scum. The first would have possibly led to replacement, the other leading to a lynch the following day. Like I said, I had no reason to be role blocked or JK'd, so maybe it was possible that Vork was JK'd?

[PMysterious]

What has Tchill?
Flub?
Pm?

Jesus Christ do we have a 4 man scum team?

No, if you guys did have a 4 man scum team, then scum would win right now. Regardless, I've made my statement, and Luca can vouch for me on it. If I were scum, then Luca would be as well, but you don't ask about Luca, now do you?

Let's be clear, you have been asked to claim, you've stated that you will not claim. Whether you are town or not, your stubborn attitude is not going to make this any easier on any of us. This stubborn behavior is selfish, and right now, selfish people are not good people.

Vcte: Robb

[PMysterious]

I’ve already proven mass claim is pointless.

I don’t care if I get lynched but you’re missing the point if you are town.

You/skitter/havo all have PRs and one or two of you are lying.

How do you figure it out? Scum hunting.

PLEASE do some. Don’t get butt hurt that I’ve called you out for your shitty play

First off, you have not proven that a mass claim is pointless. You have given a reason why you think mass claiming is pointless, but you didn't outright prove that a mass claim is pointless.

The fact that you aren't caring whether or not you get lynched (despite this being potential LYLO) is alarming. I am concerned about your attitude in this scenario.

Like I’m sorry I come across angry all the time and I get mad at underperformers, I can’t help that.

How can anyone seriously scum read me? I’m so obviously town. Most people followed my lead. They ended up on mislynches unfortunately but look T everyone else’s reasons for being on the wagon. I had legit ones. Did they?

Let’s start analyzing please. I don’t want town to lose cause I’m an asshole.

Then stop being an asshole. That's all there is to it. Your stubborn attitude is why I am angry with you right now. If you can cooperate, then that would be most excellent. Once you cooperate with the Town, THEN we can do what you ask, and that is scum hunting.

[PMysterious]

so maybe it was possible that Vork was JK'd?

This isnt how jk works

I just looked at JK on the MafiaWiki, and yeah, that's accurate. Again, I'm not sure why I was roleblocked, but if I was, then at least it would explain the lack of a town read on me.

Also, fine, I'll unvote. UNVOTE:

Anyway, outside of that, I'm fine with Rob's claim, as much as I wish he did it sooner.

I agree with the lynch pool for the day, so I'm willing to vote in that area.

[PMysterious]

I dont see PM's play coming from scum.

Is this what you guys are referencing?

[PMysterious]

In that case, I wouldn't say it's a hard town read, but a soft town read. Still, he did think I was Town to an extent, only to switch it the next game day. Very strange.

[PMysterious]

I think we missed a chance to confirm cuz idk if the mod would count that with the misspell

Dang it! You saw right through my gambit! >__<

[PMysterious]

Okay, so looking at this now, I'm thinking tchill is Mafia, so that's where my vote for this will be going for this day.

VOTE: tchill

My reads are currently on Havo, Flubber, and tchill, but I think tchill is the priority lynch of the 3 given the actions of tchill throughout the day.

[PMysterious]

Wait. You don’t town read Tchill? According to him he’s done stuff that scum wouldn’t do. So we should town read him for it.

That's based on his word alone, and no one else's. It's a fallacy that I've seen in a recent game used by Rick Dawson. He claimed he had a different scum game than what he was playing, only to be Mafia the entire time.

[PMysterious]

I know all about being stubborn. I’m one of the most stubborn but the game potentially hangs in the balance and neither can explain why the other is town based on gameplay.

Then that probably means they both are scum. If we can't explain why they're town, then they probably aren't town to begin with. We need to choose one, but then we can lynch the other the following day, or maybe Havo if we so choose.

[PMysterious]

It just occured to me that there may be a traitor

oh my lord this game isnt worth keeping up with anymore.

ive said what i needed to say. deuces.

Is this signaling?

Well, it seems like tchill has given up.

At this point, I say just lynch him. He's likely Mafia given the circumstances, and if he isn't lynched today, what is he going to provide for us the following day?

[PMysterious]

Going through this, I can confirm that I visited Havo the previous night to confirm to him I'm town.

Robb voting Havo and no one quick hammering makes it safe to say that either Havo is scum or Robb is scum. Maybe both, who knows?

[PMysterious]

I'm reading this, and my current scum team idea is this.

Flubb & Rob/Havo

Flubb hasn't really done anything warranting a town read, and the earlier vote interaction indicates either Havo or Rob are scum. If Skitter is scum, then the town wouldn't have enough power regardless, so I'm trusting her as Town.

Now for Havo and Robb. Havo, had every right to doubt me at the beginning, because prior to last night, I never visited him.

Robb, I'm skeptical about, because he did go against the idea of a mass claim, and he got pretty defensive when the mass claim happened. My heart is saying Robb, but I'm not holding out hope on that.

[PMysterious]

Robb, I'm skeptical about, because he did go against the idea of a mass claim, and he got pretty defensive when the mass claim happened. My heart is saying Robb, but I'm not holding out hope on that.

It's because I am fundamentally against mass claims

It's understandable to be against mass claims, but like I said, you got defensive on the matter quickly. It almost as if it seemed you were trying to get people off of you quickly, which while I can see that, the blatant anger in your tone while posting did not win you any favor points.

[PMysterious]

Scum have to have some powerful prs, to make up for 9:2

It would kinda make sense for the md to be scum and for one of the vts to be lying

If both robb and flubb are scum they need to be prs in some way to make up for the balancing and then neither kill or act on the night havo was on each of them, which feels unlikely

But at the same time there's like no failed night actions or...anything

This isn't 100% confirmed. Keep in mind that on Day 2, Vork never put me as a Town read despite me visiting him on Night 1. So, it is possible that my night action failed and I got roleblocked on that night, or Vork was trying to save face. Either way, we can not truly confirm that there are no failed night actions.

I think i'm at flubb/ havo, with robb being annoying af

Either way it kinda feels like robb/havo isnt a thing
That leaves flubb/robb or flubb/havo

So even if we dont know the partner yet flubb seems kinda like the safest choice to lynch today

I'm not sure how we go wrong there unless havo/robb are ridiculously good at scum theater

I agree with Flubb being the safest lynch. If Robb and Havo are the scum team, then I will be amazed at their back and forth bickering. If there are people willing to vote on this wagon, then I will vote too, but right now, I won't vote due to the possibility of a quick hammer.

[PMysterious]

There aren’t 4 town PRs this game

I provided links to 3 games that support that. Feel free to find an 11P with 4 PRs

from a PR perspective alone...

friendly neighbor
1 shot JK
motion detector

makes more sense in a balanced setup than

friendly neighbor
1 shot jk
1shot loyal VT cop and 1shot loyal visitor

if pm were to message skitter n1 and then skitter cleared 2 others thats a total of 4 out of 5 possible townies cleared d3 (given clears or PR's dont get nk'd or lynched) which is a 66 percent chance town win.

so robb should be pushing skitter here, not havo, if his issue is the claims and PR's.

I believe motion detector is looked at as bringing down towns "power" given the confusion it may cause with 3 other PRs.

pair that with the fact that one PR is 1 shot and you have a completely (justifiable from the mods perspective) setup.

I found this in tchill's ISO, but, given that balance doesn't seem to be the biggest issue, we can go back to this on a later day. I'm putting this in my ISO for that reason.

[PMysterious]

Let's recap the claims up to this point.

Me (PM)- Friendly Neighbor- Visited Vork n1 (possibly roleblocked), Visited Luca n2, and visited Havo n3
Skitter- 1s Loyal Vanilla Cop (visited Luca n1, Vanilla), 1s Loyal Visitor (visted Flavor n2)
Havo- Motion Detector- Visited nom n1 (got motion), visited Robb n2 (no motion), visited Robb n3 (no motion)
Flubber- VT
Robb- VT

It is important to note that at this point, the only power role to have died up to now is nom (who was 1 shot JK). The other 5 players were VT. No Mafia died, and only 1 power role is dead. The odds of the game being 5 VT and 4 PRs for Town is low given the circumstances. So, chances are, 1 of the scum is a claimed VT, and the other is a claimed PR. We don't know any of the powers the Mafia have, so I can not say which of the two power roles is the most likely to be in play.

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Havo- Motion Detector- Visited nom n1 (got motion), visited Robb n2 (no motion), visited Robb n3 (no motion)

havo said he visited flubber last night. He later said he visited me so I don't know who he really visited

I thought he did mention Flubb somewhere with no motion, but I didn't see him claim it directly. I'll look through Havo's ISO again to see if I missed anything.

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I think claimed to be on robb n2 and and flubb n3

This

Okay, neither of these two moved on the night they were targeted. In this case, then if one of them is scum, the mafia performing the kills is in the power role slot. However, it's best not to leave this to chance.

I'll wait on someone else to vote on this, but for now, we go with the Flubber lynch.

If Flubber is scum, then I think the final 3 are going to be Havo, Skitter, and Robb. I'm predicting that I'm going to die tonight, given that I am confirmed town and putting the power in my hands is a scary thought.

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gg scum. I fell right into the trap, and I feel bad for it.

[PMysterious]

I know who Azure is.

[PMysterious]

ugly
gg wp

Prolly should've crumbed that I received a friendly neighbor tap....

So you did receive it. I kinda hoped you did, so while I'm glad you did, I kinda wish you stayed alive long enough to get something out of it.