Mini Normal 2101 - Electronic Music Mafia [GAME OVER]

[Luca Blight]

Good day to you all.

[Luca Blight]

Because scum never vote during RVS?

[Luca Blight]

Why might it be enticing?

[Luca Blight]

I could relate more to the serous vote than I could to your comments about Tchill and Havo, but now you mention it I can see where you’re coming from.

[Luca Blight]

Your pompous attitude leaves a bitter taste in my mouth too. Get over yourself.

[Luca Blight]

V/LA until Monday

[Luca Blight]

Nom, I’m curious as to what you think of Azure so far?

[Luca Blight]

I really dislike her opening, but maybe I’m biased.

Still waiting for an answer to this btw Azure:

Because scum never vote during RVS?

[Luca Blight]

So what was the relevance of the post you quoted? @Vor

[Luca Blight]

But she isn’t even voting me? You’re literally the only one on my ‘wagon’. @Vor

[Luca Blight]

I'm kind of weirded out that everyone takes Azure's posts seriously when for me it seemed pretty clear it was lolposting.

Unrelated but I got a town vibe on Vork right now, can't explain it.

She’s serious.

[Luca Blight]

She’s incredibly stuck-up and thinks she knows it all. If I’d known she was in this game I wouldn’t have joined it.

I believe she is 100% serious with her Rob vote.

[Luca Blight]

It’s ridiculous basing any kind of read on ‘sup’, let’s be honest.

And stop shouting, it’s annoying.

[Luca Blight]

Azure’s TR of PM is ridiculous, especially after including him in her early scum pile following his opening post.

‘Scum really don’t want to give out information like I have’

makes it feel like she’s doing what she thinks Town are supposed to do rather than it being natural. I also don’t buy her opening that she didn’t know I was in the game until after the PM RVS vote. I feel like she’s using me as an easy SR to sit on regardless of what happens in this game.

I also feel like she’s showing signs of weakness against Rob, as if she’s looking for a way out of the confrontation.

VOTE: Azuresky

[Luca Blight]

That’s L-1.

Azuresky better claim.

[Luca Blight]

Jesus Christ stop going on about that fucking game. I replaced out because the deadlines were too short and I would be absent for the majority of the day. I wasn’t ‘pinned’ as scum and I didn’t play against my win-con.

It’s bullshit that you were trying to get a TR on me early on. You were setting me up as an easy SR/PL that you could sit on all day if need be.

PM can’t be scum because he looked at meta? Seriously? That’s the stupidest thing I’ve ever heard.

It’s interesting how you automatically assume there are three scum. Is that definitely a given?

And now making an effort to post in spite of my V/LA is apparently ‘suspect’. Could you be any more desperate?

[Luca Blight]

I didn’t question how many scumreads you could have; the way you worded it implied you thought they were the scumteam.

In fact there’s no way that wasn’t clear from what I just posted. You deliberately misconstrued what I said.

[Luca Blight]

Then I would have said X X and X are the scumteam?

Stop it.

You said they ‘are scum’, which is basically the same thing.

For example, you wouldn’t say ‘

Tchill, Rob, Fall and Luca are scum’,

would you? Because there would obviously not be four scum members in this game. 3 is a more feasible number however and makes me feel like you’ve slipped up.

[Luca Blight]

But I’m continuing to post during my V/LA? Is this no longer suspect to you?

[Luca Blight]

Who’s been mixing up names?

[Luca Blight]

its been awhile since ive been ML'd D1.

I say do it.

And you have the nerve to say I’m anti Town and play against my win-con?

[Luca Blight]

@Nom - you give ‘people mixing up names’ as a reason not to Lynch Azure, and then answer that Azure is the one who mixed up names?

I see your point about Fall, but he appears to be really new to the site so I’ll need more evidence than that against him.

[Luca Blight]

I think Fall's vote was the most 'opportunistic' on the wagon - I could see it coming from newbscum. I was aware that he could be an easy target for scum on D1, but it's interesting how the only player to target him was Nom, who is now confirmed to have been Town.

PM is confirmed Town because he looked at Meta....

Seriously though, PM's above posts don't really do anything for me. I don't get his line about my 'motivation' for being on the Azure wagon. I didn't just vote her because she put me under pressure - that had nothing to do with it whatsoever. I don't really like the analysis in general, particularly the points about Tchill and Rob at the end. And I'm not as likely to be scum because I was 'lax' about the wagon? Again, I don't get it.

I do agree that the Vort hammer felt kind of townie - after the self-vote I just assumed Azure was scum already, so I can understand quick-hammering there. Scum obviously would know she was flipping green and might have hesitated.

VOTE: Fallsoul

[Luca Blight]

I could definitely see Tchill being scum as well, but we just had a game together where I could never bring myself to trust him and he turned out to be town there, so I'm trying to remain level-headed in my read of him.

Flubs was ridiculously low-key. Need more from him.

Skitter '

feels

' Townie, but not enough content to get a concrete read yet.

I think Rob is more likely Town due to the forcefulness of his push, and it being a push that I could relate to.

Havo - He was a bit defensive against Nom's points against him, but I quite liked his push against Azure. It felt like he wasn't holding back.

[Luca Blight]

I think it’s pretty obvious she said those things in anger rather than considering them rationally.

And even if she were thinking rationally. Why would you put any faith in her opinions, especially given how little content some of the players provided on D1?

It would be wiser to look at Nom’s opinions, given scum wanted her out of the game above anyone else.

[Luca Blight]

It’s pure scattergunning. She calls half the player list scum so that when she gets the spoilers in the dead thread she can say ‘I told you so, look how good i am’.

She clearly didn’t really believe I was scum, but she stuck me in there because it would have really bruised her ego if I had fooled her.

[Luca Blight]

Well, you did make an attempt to get a wagon going on Nom instead, but then went back on the Azure wagon after she voted you.

I agree Azure would have been harmful to Town the longer she stayed in the game, but I also think as scum you would accept a Lynch on someone who hard SR’s you and a ten page D1, where some players have barely contributed, any day of the week.

[Luca Blight]

luca, absolutely nothing personal, but you really have no idea what scum me does in any given situation. So if you'd like to push me make a general case.

Not one based on me and my tendencies specifically.

Why should I make a 'general case' when you're not my main scumread?

Why don't you make a 'general case' against me?

I'm not basing the possibility of you being scum on your tendencies at all - I know after the last game that you're capable of just about anything as either alignment. I'm actually using this as a reason

not

to immediately SR you, as I was certain you were scum last game when you were Town.

I just hate the self-meta rubbish - as scum you would be actively trying to play differently to your scum meta, so it's worthless.

[Luca Blight]

I think Luca, Flub and Pmysterious need rope.

"but why tchill, explain yourself"

I dont like overly explaining this early. Those are the ones i think should be pushed.

You don't need to 'overly' explain, but some basic reasoning would be nice.

What's your opinion on Fallsoul?

[Luca Blight]

Given that you think there is scum on the Azure wagon, which is what your vote on me is based on, he really ought to be a higher priority for you.

And could you not say the same about someone like Flubs?

These are the slots that needing sorting now, especially when we can't tell for sure when LYLO will be this game.

[Luca Blight]

@PM, I know what happened, but you seemed to suggest the reason I voted Azure was because she pressured me, which wasn’t the case at all.

PM, you seem to have a few SR’s but you’re not pushing them or voting anyone. Any reason for this?

[Luca Blight]

Tchill is voting me not Vorkuta, @Mod.

[Luca Blight]

PM, you seem to have a few SR’s but you’re not pushing them or voting anyone. Any reason for this?

I don't want to push any scum read unless I'm certain about it. All I have for each of them is the Azure wagon and their reasons (as stated on their posts and by the actions of Azure) for being on said wagon. By itself, this is not a lot to go off of, but it does act as a solid starting point, since as stated by so many people, it clearly is not an all-town wagon.

It’s all well and good having a starting point, but information isn’t going to create itself. There is a wagon on Fallsoul, why not join it?

Speaking of which, I believe Fall is due a prod @Mod.

[Luca Blight]

Vorkuta, what are your reads atm?

[Luca Blight]

Vorkuta, given how much you like wagons I’m not sure why you’re holding your vote back today.

Let’s get something going.

UNVOTE:

VOTE: PMysterious

[Luca Blight]

Vork felt somewhat townie on D1 but PM hasn’t shown anything positive yet.

[Luca Blight]

It feels like nearly everyone in this game is sitting back and waiting for something to happen, which obviously leads nowhere.

I find this surprising from Tchill as he’s usually proactive from what I’ve seen of him, but his vote on me is basically a vanity wagon.

I feel the Fallsoul slot is dodgy but it seems like he has site-flaked, so there’s no point pursuing that for the meantime.

Vork was a Tr entering this day but I did find the Azure thing slightly scummy - the purpose of it seemed to be to make him look good above anything else, and he’s done nothing else proactive today so far.

Flubs continues to be ridiculously low-key. In a weird way I’m almost leaning town because he’s not even trying to make himself look good. Him and Havo need to step up either way.

[Luca Blight]

My suspicion of PM has increased. Not voting anyone for fear of being wrong is a poor excuse to blend into the background and let others do the dirty work for you. As scum you have more reason to be afraid as you don’t want to implicate yourself.

I literally just played a game with scum who did the same thing; they TR everyone and refused to vote or SR anyone and ended up replacing out.

[Luca Blight]

I do agree that the Vort hammer felt kind of townie - after the self-vote I just assumed Azure was scum already, so I can understand quick-hammering there. Scum obviously would know she was flipping green and might have hesitated.

scum most likely hammer, chalk the wagon up to a stupid self voter and move along...

Scum want a flip to be green lol. Why would that cause hesitation????

Azure was going to be lynched regardless of Vorkuta’s vote. I could envisage scum hesitating in any important situation because generally scum play in a more calculated fashion.

[Luca Blight]

Given that you think there is scum on the Azure wagon, which is what your vote on me is based on, he really ought to be a higher priority for you.

And could you not say the same about someone like Flubs?

These are the slots that needing sorting now, especially when we can't tell for sure when LYLO will be this game.

not a fan of luca pandering to my play specifically due to my meta.

Where am I doing this in the post you quoted?

[Luca Blight]

A shit show that you were not blameless for.

I subscribe to what makes sense to me. I’m not sold on Vortuka being Town, but that was a small starting point in his favor. I don’t like how he’s played D2 play so far as I’ve said.

[Luca Blight]

Given that you think there is scum on the Azure wagon, which is what your vote on me is based on, he really ought to be a higher priority for you.

And could you not say the same about someone like Flubs?

These are the slots that needing sorting now, especially when we can't tell for sure when LYLO will be this game.

you're pushing to to push 2 inactives.

you're putting me in a position where im either forced to work with you or you'll SR me.

Half the players in this game are ‘inactive’.

I’m not forcing you to do anything, I just disagree with your approach: you’re sr’ing me because there
must be scum on the Azure wagon while deliberately not sorting certain players on said wagon.

[Luca Blight]

Tchill, tell me more about your Havo read.

[Luca Blight]

UNVOTE:
voteparking on someone who siteflaked probably isn't that helpful

i can vote vork i can think

i'm not really feeling the pm wagon rn
i kinda hate the way he's playing but i'm not sure it's actually scummy

I feel like PM is trying deliberately not to do anything scummy, which is scummy in itself.

If you're fine with voting Vork then why not do so?

[Luca Blight]

Is there a universe in which this shitfest subsides anytime soon and we can all get along better?
Because I can't read anyone right now, and I don't want to dig deeper in these interactions

VOTE: azuresky

Not gonna lie- the self vote partially did it for me. 50% knee-jerk

AtE

then feels the need to explain the vote. Not a fan.

Explaining a vote is a scummy thing to do?

And is there a particular reason why you're voting me over Vorkuta?

[Luca Blight]

Well IDK. skitters ISO is very town to me.

Anything particular that sticks out?

[Luca Blight]

Is there a universe in which this shitfest subsides anytime soon and we can all get along better?
Because I can't read anyone right now, and I don't want to dig deeper in these interactions

VOTE: azuresky

Not gonna lie- the self vote partially did it for me. 50% knee-jerk

AtE

then feels the need to explain the vote. Not a fan.

Explaining a vote is a scummy thing to do?

And is there a particular reason why you're voting me over Vorkuta?

[Luca Blight]

you either get a hyper active game or a dead one. never in between.

Stop ignoring my questions then.

[Luca Blight]

I haven't played much in the past 2 years. I'm just now getting back into Mafia again. So, my playstyle may be a little different from before. It's been 7 years since then after all.

Outside of that, I can't really add a lot at the moment.

I'm not sure pm is scummy really ^

So you think he’d be playing differently as scum this game?

[Luca Blight]

This is hopeless. No-one is posting.

All I can say about Vorkuta right now is that he’s sleepwalking into being lynched, which probably makes him more likely Town as it would be so easy for scum to push a number of players in this game.

PM has been delaying posting reads or doing anything at all. By the time he does so it will be too late and Vorkuta will end up as the compromise Lynch.

[Luca Blight]

Finally some half-decent content. A couple of questions:

What solid points has Tchill made?

Any thoughts on Skitter defending you before putting Vorkuta at L-2?

[Luca Blight]

Tchill’s play has been very disappointing during this day phase. He’s complained about lack of game activity without doing anything to promote it himself. He’s refused to explain the few reads he’s given. He’s ignored questions that have been put to him. He’s voting me without any push to actually get me lynched. He’s coasting, along with a number of others, but I had expected more from him.

[Luca Blight]

@Mod: Vorkuta hasn’t posted for over three days. Can he get a prod?

And Havo needs replacing + possible deadline extension, although I’m losing the will to play this game atm...

[Luca Blight]

You’d better vote someone then as there isn’t long left in the day.

[Luca Blight]

I don’t get the lack of interest in a PM lynch. His recent post was ok but overall then isn’t much that makes me feel like he is Town.

I would be willing to compromise on lynching any of the following: Slitter, Tchill, Flavor.

Vorkuta is probably Town due to the lack of action in the game while he’s been main wagon.

[Luca Blight]

But no-one has been bothered about Vorkuta getting lynched. The only player who has been questioning Vorkuta’s Lynch recently has been me, and I obviously know I’m not his partner. In a game where there are so many dubious players it would be unbelievable for scum to sleepwalk into being lynched.

I guess it’s possible he could be scum, but I can’t remember scum ever being lynched in such an easy manner when a game has been in such a lifeless state. The current game state is the perfect environment for scum to stay in the shadows.

I agree that behavior wise there isn’t a lot to suggest Vorkuta is Town, but there’s not a lot to suggest he’s scum either. He’s edging closer to being lynched but doesn’t seem to be survivalistic.

[Luca Blight]

This site is almost unusable atm.

If it’s the same for everyone then maybe we could get an extension to the deadline, as it must be contributing to the lack of activity in this game.

UNVOTE:

VOTE: Flavor

[Luca Blight]

Just so everyone is aware, Flavor is actually L-1.

[Luca Blight]

Given that we have a slight extension on the deadline, I’m gonna unvote and allow Flavor to catch-up properly.

UNVOTE:

I still find the Flavor slot dubious, but the wagon doesn’t feel brilliant to be honest.

PM is still probably my favoured Lynch overall but no-one else seems to want it. I don’t like how he pops in with a post and then disappears for a couple of days. He is deliberately doing the bare minimum to get by.

[Luca Blight]

PM, Flavor never said he was going to defend the Fallsoul slot, he said he was going to defend Vorkuta. Read again...

[Luca Blight]

Flavor was saying that he intended to defend Vorkuta, who was the main wagon at the time, but found this remark to be scummy.

Oh boy

I was actually going to come in defending this slot a little, but I think this is scum indicative.

[Luca Blight]

Given that we have a slight extension on the deadline, I’m gonna unvote and allow Flavor to catch-up properly.

UNVOTE:

I still find the Flavor slot dubious, but the wagon doesn’t feel brilliant to be honest.

PM is still probably my favoured Lynch overall but no-one else seems to want it. I don’t like how he pops in with a post and then disappears for a couple of days. He is deliberately doing the bare minimum to get by.

why the unvote? why dont you feel brilliant about the flavor lynch? Youre not too fired up about anyone else. Looks like you unvoted just to unvote.

I literally explained all this in the very post you quoted, through I don’t know why I’m even bothering replying to you when you’ve ignored every question I’ve put to you.

[Luca Blight]

i dont care to answer lucas questions atm.

Fall soul slot needs a PR action regardless of who replaces into it.

Robb has not done anything AI.

Vork and flavor need rope.

PM is probably town. I like skitter for town too.

Skitter has said stuff I agree with on a reread.

What the hell, you put Flavor at l-1 without even realizing he had replaced into Fallsoul’s slot?

[Luca Blight]

I don’t get the lack of interest in a PM lynch. His recent post was ok but overall then isn’t much that makes me feel like he is Town.

I would be willing to compromise on lynching any of the following: Slitter, Tchill, Flavor.

Vorkuta is probably Town due to the lack of action in the game while he’s been main wagon.

im def not interested in a pm lynch.

You said he needed rope earlier in the day. What’s changed?

[Luca Blight]

VOTE: Tchill

[Luca Blight]

Given that we have a slight extension on the deadline, I’m gonna unvote and allow Flavor to catch-up properly.

UNVOTE:

I still find the Flavor slot dubious, but the wagon doesn’t feel brilliant to be honest.

PM is still probably my favoured Lynch overall but no-one else seems to want it. I don’t like how he pops in with a post and then disappears for a couple of days. He is deliberately doing the bare minimum to get by.

why the unvote? why dont you feel brilliant about the flavor lynch? Youre not too fired up about anyone else. Looks like you unvoted just to unvote.

I literally explained all this in the very post you quoted, through I don’t know why I’m even bothering replying to you when you’ve ignored every question I’ve put to you.

I was hoping you could go more in depth.

"wagon doesnt feel brilliant" is what i was asking to be explained.

its hard for me to want to interact with you when i ask for explanation, You say you already explained but your explanation is "wagon doesnt feel brilliant" which is very shallow in terms of thought. Then you act like im the problem. idc. It just gets old.

If you expect thorough explanations from others then perhaps you should practice what you preach?

I think it was obvious enough what I meant. I didn’t TR anyone who had joined me on the wagon (although I TR few players in general this game) and it therefore didn’t feel great to me. I don’t know why I’m even wasting my time responding to you when you’re deliberately avoiding questions that have been put to you.

[Luca Blight]

i dont care to answer lucas questions atm.

Fall soul slot needs a PR action regardless of who replaces into it.

Robb has not done anything AI.

Vork and flavor need rope.

PM is probably town. I like skitter for town too.

Skitter has said stuff I agree with on a reread.

What the hell, you put Flavor at l-1 without even realizing he had replaced into Fallsoul’s slot?

kinda crazy that im judging FL on... FL's play in this game. mind blowing method ik.

You put Flavor to L-1 without even knowing he was in the same slot as FallSoul, which gives me the feeling your ‘scumhunting’ isn’t genuine. You’ve just gone for the easiest option out there without even considering the total value of the slot. It’s either terrible Town play or lazy scum play.

[Luca Blight]

so 4 of us have been weary of vork scum the majority of d2.

flub has done little to nothing. FL replaced into a suspicious slot in a lifeless manner.

prob 2 scum in Vork/FL/Flubb

if 3 scum probably one in havo/skitter/Robbvna (cus im not perfect)

both lists are in order of suspicion.

Vork def needs to be the lynch this day phase given 4 ppl have fos'd him pretty consistently. He flips scum im looking at Havo/flubb.

Vork flips town im looking at FL/Flubb/(if a 3rd) Skitter

What happened to your SR of me? Your read progressions make no sense, not helped by the fact you explain nothing.

Fallsoul was a suspicious slot? You’ve only taken this stance since you found out Flavor replaced into that slot. You’re changing your views to fit your narrative.

[Luca Blight]

So we haven’t lynched Vork yet?

Not sure what the hold up is.

Oh wait, I see it.

Luca wanted to sort Tchill. That’s a good play, and with all the spewing Tchill just did Luca should be satisfied or close too it.

Nothing about Tchill’s spew makes me feel any better about him at all. I disagree with his reads and I feel like he’s plucking them out of his backside half the time. His progression on certain slots such as mine, Flavor’s and PM’s feels scummy to me. He was vanity voting me for most of this day phase and had me as his joint highest scumread without every actively pushing for my Lynch, and then suddenly drops even the thought that I might be scum since he’s re-entered the thread, without any update or explanation as to why.

[Luca Blight]

VOTE: vork

i didnt realize FL replaced into fallsoul.

FL is prob the best or next target besides Flubb.

He then puts another slot to L-1 without announcing it, soon after the VC meaning there is no excuse. This feels like a pretty scummy thing to do.

[Luca Blight]

We have ten hours left and I’m soon to be V/LA. I think I’m sticking with my Tchill vote at this stage but hopefully we can reach a Lynch one way or another before deadline. My reads are currently as follows:

I TR Robb, because if I can’t Tr the only other player who’s been on a similar wavelength to me this game and tried to make stuff happen then I might as well throw in the towel.

PM’s recent suspicion of Tchill makes me feel a bit better about him, but still far from convinced.

The Flavor slot has been terrible generally this game and deserves to be lynched, but in a way it feels ‘too easy’ to be scum. Maybe worth looking into again on D3.

Flubbernugget is a null read and will probably remain that way. Just not enough content to get a clear read on him, but I would be inclined to give him the benefit of the doubt for now.

Havo has been rubbing me up the wrong way a bit. Probably because I disagree with a lot of what he says. I don’t likes his opinions on Skitter or Tchill, and his popping in and out feels like scum doing just enough to look busy.

Skitter has posted more than most but I can’t remember anything particularly meaningful she has said. I could definitely see this kind of playstyle (probing without actually doing much) coming from scum.

I don’t like Vorkuta’s content generally. I have a feeling he is Town based on the lack of general activity this day phase when he’s been the main wagon and his apparent lack of survivalism. I feel like he could have made life easier for himself here as scum.

[Luca Blight]

UNVOTE:

VOTE: Flavor Leaf

[Luca Blight]

Fuck it.

UNVOTE:

VOTE: Vorkuta

I think this flips Town but we need a Lynch either way.

[Luca Blight]

That is a very strange kill. Who fears Flavor so much?

I’m thinking Tchill, Skitter, Havo.

[Luca Blight]

We know for sure all the scum were voting by end of day 1.

PM is Town so all the scum were on Town wagons.

I think it’s likely the entire scum team was on the Vork wagon, but Flubber obviously could be scum as well.

I think it’s highly likely Tchill is scum but I’ll have to go over the wagons again.

[Luca Blight]

VC 2.08

Vorkuta (3): Robbnva, skitter30, Havo
Tchill13 (3): Vorkuta, Luca Blight, PMysterious
Flavor Leaf (1): Flubbernugget

Not Voting (2): Flavor Leaf, Tchill13

With 9 players alive, it takes 5 to reach a majority. Day one ends in (expired on 2019-10-04 22:30:00).

Everyone on the Tchill wagon is Town here. The Vorkuta wagon looks really bad.

[Luca Blight]

And then shortly after that Tchill put Vorkuta at L-1 without even announcing it.

VOTE: vork

i didnt realize FL replaced into fallsoul.

FL is prob the best or next target besides Flubb.

I feel like Tchill is scum and Skitter and Havo were the ones protecting him.

[Luca Blight]

Tchill directs the invest onto Flavor, meaning it will be wasted when Flavor is night killed. He also has motive for killing Flavor as they are familiar with each other’s game.

[Luca Blight]

I really dislike Havo’s reads on Tchill/Skitter this game.

I dislike how he said i should be satisfied with Tchill’s spew, as if he were trying to subtly influence my opinion. Nothing about what Tchill said made me feel any better about him. He then said it felt like I was holding a grudge against Tchill; implying that my SR of him was unreasonable. It feels really scummy to me

I don’t like how he thinks Skitter is really townie but can’t give any specific examples as to why. Havo has no suspicion of these slots and it doesn’t feel natural to me.

[Luca Blight]

Not to mention Flavor’s only specified SR was Skitter, if I recall correctly.

Everything is pointing towards Skitter, Havo and Tchill being the scumteam, provided there really is three scum.

Its possible I could be wrong on either Robb or Flubs so I’ll look into them shortly.

[Luca Blight]

This post really does look bad. It was made when both Tchill and Vorkuta were tied at 3 votes each. There is no reason for Havo not to be considering Tchill’s Lynch here if he were Town.

So we haven’t lynched Vork yet?

Not sure what the hold up is.

Oh wait, I see it.

Luca wanted to sort Tchill. That’s a good play, and with all the spewing Tchill just did Luca should be satisfied or close too it.

[Luca Blight]

I definitely think the lynch pool today is

PM
Flub
Fallsoul

i wanna add vork to this
not sure if flub should be in this
prob not pm either tbh

Well I wouldn’t argue with adding Vork, but a lynch pool of just Vork and Fall seems a bit weak to me.
I haven’t seen enough out of PM or or flub to feel they are town.

At this point Vorkuta wasn’t even in Havo’s Lynch pool, but then he allows himself to be talked into considering him. There is nothing from this point to the point where Havo’s wondering why Vorkuta hasn’t been lynched yet that explains this huge jump in confidence on his SR.

Havo is definitely scum so I’m almost certainly voting him today, but I’ll wait for everyone to check in first.

[Luca Blight]

It’s pointless saying you wouldn’t kill Flavor because of the suspicion he was under, as the same could be said for literally everyone in this game. Flavor seemed to be familiar with Havo’s game and found it odd how you SR him for not being active when you’ve seen his scumgame which is apparently quite the opposite. You can WIFOM the shit out of anything, but you Tchill and Skitter definitely have the most motive for killing Flavor.

And I don’t see why the scumteam would automatically FOS each other, especially when you’re saying that is something that would ordinarily be expected from them. In a game with a lot of dodgy slots you could easily get away with not doing so. The fact none of you suspect each other at all makes zero sense to me right now.

[Luca Blight]

Your first question seems scummy to me - it’s like you’re trying to draw out whether I investigated you or something. I’ve said I’m almost certain you’re scum, so you can draw your own conclusions from that.

You also thought PM was Town yesterday. What’s changed?

[Luca Blight]

Your first question seems scummy to me - it’s like you’re trying to draw out whether I investigated you or something. I’ve said I’m almost certain you’re scum, so you can draw your own conclusions from that.

You also thought PM was Town yesterday. What’s changed?

you called for mass claim.

go ahead and claim.

Where did I call for a mass claim?

[Luca Blight]

I strongly believe Robb and PM are Town. I can reveal why after a mass-claim, but I’ll only agree to a mass-claim if it’s in a certain order:

Havo, Skitter, Tchill, Flubs, Robb, PM should be the order.

And if you’re Town then do not lie about your role.

I am on holiday now so will be V/LA until next week, but will still try to be as active as possible.

[Luca Blight]

Sorry, including myself the order should be Havo - Skitter - Tchill - Flubs - Luca - Rob - Pm

[Luca Blight]

Ok my theory for Robb being Town doesn’t hold as much water now so nvm.

[Luca Blight]

I strongly believe Robb and PM are Town. I can reveal why after a mass-claim, but I’ll only agree to a mass-claim if it’s in a certain order:

Havo, Skitter, Tchill, Flubs, Robb, PM should be the order.

And if you’re Town then do not lie about your role.

I am on holiday now so will be V/LA until next week, but will still try to be as active as possible.

you refuse to go first? you demand that you're last?

Please read more carefully, I’m tired of correcting you.

[Luca Blight]

Regarding Havo’s claim, apparently Motion Detector can be either alignment so his claim isn’t particularly AI.

Havo, who did you target last night?

[Luca Blight]

Although I think I can guess the answer already.

[Luca Blight]

Flicking through loads of mini normals the Motion Detector was Town aligned about three or fours times and aligned with Mafia once, going back to Mini 1999.

[Luca Blight]

I will go into those details later but I’m leaning towards you telling the truth atm.

Everyone else who hasn’t claimed needs to do so.

[Luca Blight]

.....where is everyone?

[Luca Blight]

Tchill’s looking like desperate scum atm.

[Luca Blight]

The reason I had thought Robb was Town was because I received a Mod pm saying PM is Town and I thought the mod had sent the cop’s result to me by accident. When everyone but Robb had announced suspicion of PM I assumed Robb was cop, but this theory is no longer relevant given PM’s claim, hence the retracting of my stance on Robb.

[Luca Blight]

The fact you’ve now claimed VT means we now know at least 2 of the three PR claims are true and quite possibly all three are, because otherwise there would be a lack of Town power.

At this point I believe PM and Skitter’s claims. I’m less sure about Havo. Scum could well be in Flubs, Tchill and Robb, possibly Havo as well.

[Luca Blight]

The fact you’ve now claimed VT means we now know at least 2 of the three PR claims are true and quite possibly all three are, because otherwise there would be a lack of Town power.

At this point I believe PM and Skitter’s claims. I’m less sure about Havo. Scum could well be in Flubs, Tchill and Robb, possibly Havo as well.

We knew that before I claimed. Literally nothing changed

Obviously if you had CC’d it would have changed things, or if you’d claimed a strong PR then it would have increased the chances of a PR claim being false.

One of the slight advantages Town has is that Pr’s are basically named townies, because there has to be some decent power in the town to properly balance the game, particularly if there is three scum.

[Luca Blight]

If it wasn’t for the mass-claim i’d be scumreading Skitter still, but the fact is she called me as VT before I claimed which solidifies her claim a bit.

[Luca Blight]

I found it weird how Havo withheld his Robb result but then just revealed it anyway before Robb has claimed, essentially letting him off the hook. I feel like I’d have been more curious to see if Robb would have faked a night action, but perhaps Havo was more interested in beating Robb to the punch to solidify his own claim.

[Luca Blight]

I’ve found Tchill scummy right the way through this game and he’s probably my safest bet today. The way he’s desperately tried to shade PM despite the evidence to say he’s Town feels scummy to me. The only thing that gives me pause, again, is that I’ve already had a game where i massively SR Tchill and he flipped Town.

Flubs is probably scum by POE. I would consider lynching there today. I don’t get his Townread on Tchill either.

[Luca Blight]

I also agree with unvoting. Robb could be scum but I think Havo/Tchill/Flubs is where we should lynch today.

[Luca Blight]

Not to mention Tchill was hard-townreading PM at the end of D2.

[Luca Blight]

Just a reminder that I’m V/LA. Will catch up in a few hours.

Thanks, noted.
~ pondgazer

[Luca Blight]

I’m starting to feel like one of Tchill/Havo are scum and one is successfully pocketing the other. I’ve seen just how far off the mark Town Tchill can be so I’m leaning on Havo being slightly more likely as scum atm. Reading back I was starting to get some thoughts of a Tchill/Skitter scumteam as well. Regarding Flubs, it’s a toss of a coin which way he flips. Can’t get a concrete read on him at all.

[Luca Blight]

I’m not sure how much more is to be learnt from today. I can’t see my reads changing much at this point. I’m content to go along with the Tchill lynch.

VOTE: Tchill

That’s L-1

[Luca Blight]

Actually no, gut is telling me to vote Havo instead.

UNVOTE:

VOTE: Havo

[Luca Blight]

You know what, I actually think Flubs is the most likely of anyone to flip scum right now. Nothing about his iso makes me feel like he’s Town.

UNVOTE:

VOTE: Flubbernugget

I’m happy enough to Lynch any of these three but I think this is my slight preference.

[Luca Blight]

UNVOTE:

VOTE: Havo

I think Robb made a good point about sorting the PR’s, and it doesn’t feel great being on a wagon with both of my other scumreads.

Busy today, will be back later.

[Luca Blight]

It’s interesting how Havo seems to be continually copying Tchill’s stances this game. For example Havo copied his stance on PM, and now he’s copying the ‘lynch me’ line as well. It could be inexperienced scum copying his more experienced partner.

[Luca Blight]

Tchill, I am currently townreading Skitter and that wouldn’t automatically change upon a Havo townflip, as I think 4 pr’s is a possibility. I don’t think it’s impossible that she is some sort of scumcop who was able to detect that I’m vanilla, but there are more likely scenarios atm.

I think Havo is a good Lynch because he has been scummy this game; his reads, stances and pushes don’t add up. I don’t get his faith in his Tchill read and don’t see the progression there from when he had you down as null. Similarly I don’t see the progression on his Robb read either, and I can hardly relate to anything he’s said all game. The fact we have an unusually high number of Pr claims means he is slightly more likely to slip scum at this stage.

[Luca Blight]

Also, I didnt rule out setup spec.

seems like you have.

ive pointed out why if someone has an issue with the prs and setup skitter would be the least likely.

i have no issue with the setup. i believe all the claims.

A two shot cop, friendly neighbor paired against a two man scum team w/ a motion detector sounds like a good setup to me

This is a decent point.

Also, the only way Tchill and Havo can both be Town from their perspective is if there is a two man scum team, but 2 scum makes it even more unlikely that there can be 4 Town pr’s.

[Luca Blight]

Robb, here is proof that an 11p mini normal can have 4 Town pr’s:

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=68345

Interesting to note that this game contained a Mafia Rolecop + Mafia traitor...

[Luca Blight]

It just occured to me that there may be a traitor

oh my lord this game isnt worth keeping up with anymore.

ive said what i needed to say. deuces.

Is this signaling?

[Luca Blight]

Has anyone ever encountered a Town JOAT similar to Skitter’s claim in a normal game? I can only remember Joat’s with three abilities, and the visitor ability is weird. Why would the mod not just make it a one shot cop?

It would also be a strange fake claim, but obviously the benefit would be that if Skitter were tracked to Flavor then it would give her an out. Something is making me feel wary/paranoid about this slot.

[Luca Blight]

I believe Skitter was asked why she investigated me N1 but I don’t believe she ever answered. I would like to know why, because she was TR’ing me D1 from what i remember and there were lower activity slots she could have better used the ability on.

I expected to be killed N2 as I was being townread by most of the playerlist, but scum killed a claimed VT instead. This would make more sense when scum knew I was also Vanilla and the rest of the player list was dodgy to some degree, while Flavor was a low info kill who could possibly pose a threat later in the game.

Skitter’s claim also also gains her more Towncred with me alive rather than dead.

[Luca Blight]

I was thinking if there is a traitor then it could be Tchill/Havo/Skitter.

This would explain Tchill and Havo’s weird behavior, as they have worked each other out and are awkwardly coordinating their efforts without daychat. 3 scum including Motion detector + scum rolecop vs two town pr’s wouldn’t seem balanced though, although maybe Havo just completely invented his role.

[Luca Blight]

I just skimmed her iso, she doesn't really mention you until day 2 where she says you are townie.

Fair enough, I could have sworn she said I was Town on D1 but I must have been thinking of her early D2 comment.

[Luca Blight]

UNVOTE:

VOTE: Tchill

I think this is the best bet for now. In the last game I played with Tchill he talked of how he’d previously used his familiarity of playing with Flavor to manipulate him and win against him as scum. This not only explains the night kill but also means he could be doing the same to Havo. It really feels as though Tchill has made up reasons to TR Havo and it seems out of character for him.

I believe this is L-1

[Luca Blight]

Ive done a little meta-diving and this game is of interest:

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=53&t=75833

The scumteam is Havo/Tchill, and their play bears resemblance to this game.

They both hard defend each other throughout. Havo Townread Tchill due to familiarity without much else in the way of reasoning . Havo claims a town version of his scum role. Unfortunately it seems no scum pt was posted, but it still makes for an interesting read.