Undertale Semi-Open 1.1 Dead PT

[mastina]

One of my beliefs is that once you get a red role PM you have a harder time discerning between townreadable and null behavior, so I think they maybe yes overrated your towniness. I think Ginngie would have been a much stronger shot, I think people were townreading him more. Although I hesitate to second guess the mafia like that, I am no expert on being the bad guys.

chennis was frankly the best shot the scumteam took.
Shooting Nymph was kinda gamethrowing for them tho.

[mastina]

I'm not sure why town wants to go 2-2. 2-2 generates 1 confirmed innocent in 5 man LyLo and then goes into a 3 man LyLo, when it's innocents that have been spared. So you need to make 2 accurate townreads to win that LyLo

If you feel you can make 2 accurate townreads, just win now? If the 2 accurate townreads are wrong in neutral, you lose. If the 2 accurate townreads are wrong in Pacifist, you get some amount of do-over, you get to do the spare a 5th person and guess the mafia game.

You also instantly lose 2-2 if scum is spared and people have pointed that out. But even when the 2 spares are clean, the way I'm counting it, pacifist is better. I think the flips are valuable but surely not as valuable as a do-over. Which is itself, kind of a flip, look at these people you liked, you were wrong about one of them

I mean I said it in my rant, but town massively misplayed.
On D2, the town should've committed to one of two options.
Spare on D2, commit to pacifist.
Fight on D2, commit to neutral.
Sparing on D2, but fighting on D3, was the WORST possible choice because it meant I couldn't investigate N2, and we couldn't win on D4.

[mastina]

mastina's last post is awesome. A lie. But an awesome lie.

Eh? What was the lie?

[mastina]

Also, I remember arguing for a long period of time about why it was best to spare day 1 and kill day 2

But then we didn't do that, and so we missed our night 2 investigate

Hey, not my fault.
I was arguing that we should've lynched D2, or committed to full pacifist.
I was overruled.

[mastina]

Also hey mastina sorry for calling you scum but i finally used your chart thingy and i think it’s the first time my final read has been correct about you

I mean.
I keep on SAYING it.
Time and time again.
"The flowchart says it all".
And yet to this day, most people ignore it because lolselfmeta, in spite of how using it would help them sort me.

[mastina]

Did you actually use that chart to read mastina?
The point of the chart seemed to be to always townread mastina.
Seems like a broke clock is correct twice a day thing.

The flowchart is an accurate judge for my play in any given game. It outlines my fundamental core playstyle differences as town versus as scum. scumastina has traits which she cannot mask; scumastina has traits which, while they CAN be from me as town, are signatures of her scumgame; scumastina has traits which she cannot fundamentally manage to fake from town mastina's playbook; town mastina has traits which, while they CAN be from scumastina, are signatures of her towngame.

The flowchart lays them all out.

In any given game, town-mastina will not show 100% of her town indicators on the flowchart; in any given game, scumastina will not show 100% of her scum indicators on the flowchart; in any given game, town-mastina may show some of her scum indicators; in any given game, scumastina will probably show some of her town indicators which she can easily fake.

But BY AND LARGE. Taking in the flowchart as a whole.

It remains true to every game I've played for years. Following the flowchart would give an accurate and correct read on me. Yet to this date. It has only once been followed to actual success, when scumastina was caught red handed by someone who actually read it and was like, "hey mastina...your play this game looks an awful lot like what the flowchart says is your scumplay"--because sure enough, I was scum that game. (Still won it, but it took...a rather considerable amount of work, including nightkilling said person.)

The flowchart has never produced an incorrect townread on me, where people using the flowchart townread scumastina.
The flowchart has never produced an incorrect scumread on me, where people using the flowchart scumread me when I was town.
The flowchart has been a reliable tool for catching scumastina, and a reliable tool for pegging me as town, for years.

And I am very public and vocal about it. Telling people, "just use the flowchart", every game. Because it works.
And yet.
Almost nobody does.
The few who do find great success.
But most discard it on the basis of lolselfmeta.

Their discarding of it is their own loss tho because I mean...the flowchart works, it gives you my alignment, so if you're not using it because of your bias against lolselfmeta...your loss, mate, you're throwing a game you could've won by just following it.

[mastina]

#822, which is only a white lie, so is arguably not a lie.
I remember 7 year old pops hearing a story in first grade about a bunny who stole lettuce from the garden but also additionally stole carrots from the garden and didn't volunteer the incriminating information in taking to her parents and so told a white lie.
I was very distraught that selectively not volunteering information could be considered a lie.

There's obviously a huge loss in value if Rakan and Ginngie are both town and you get spared as PR since you could confirm yourself town by other means, and the total amount of conftown would go higher if you got someone like Chemist1422 spared. I'm assuming that was an even bigger motivation than the motivations you revealed

I mean.
I basically was giving away every step of the way that I was the cop.

[mastina]

I wish it was mastina in LyLo in the sense that I think she would lean heavily one direction but take a long time making sure and then I could write the game outcome flavor in advance.
I have no idea whether Chemist1422 is gonna throw or not.

Oh heavens no. I might've thrown out a troll vote, using vote tags, on Oversoul as a joke, but within a day or two, I'd have cast the real hurt vote on Elements. I've never seen someone be more obviously scum than Elements is here in this lylo.

[mastina]

It's already been longer than a day or two.

I'd have hammered by now.
I wouldn't pretend that I'd vote anywhere else, because really. I was convinced that Elements was scum and nothing he could've said would've convinced me otherwise, so I wouldn't give him false hope where none should be.

My main regret here is that if I investigated Elements, we would've had the guaranteed win.
Oh well.