Mini 2106 - Magia Record Fate Weave Semi-U-Pick (OVER!)

[Sujimichi]

VOTE: Farkran

[Sujimichi]

I agree. I was not a fan of your post 13.

[Sujimichi]

I believe I just agreed with why.

[Sujimichi]

I think you are posting words and asking questions thinking that they are meaningful, but they are not. I find that to be mafia indicative as your intent is likely to portray that you are doing something to find mafia when you already know who they are.

[Sujimichi]

I have two completed games on site.

Should I use buzzwords as well? Your vote comes across as OMGUS, and I think your sample size for your rationale is small, and thus not a good basis.

[Sujimichi]

My post was directed at Farkran if that was not clear.

[Sujimichi]

TemporalLich, you’ve said two people are chainsaw defending Farkran now. Do you think they are both scum? I believe you have indicated that one is.

[Sujimichi]

Why L-3?

[Sujimichi]

My bad. I just got used to the terminology and now it does not apply in this game. It is going to take some getting used to, I think.

[Sujimichi]

I believe the opposing view would be not believing the statement.

[Sujimichi]

I don’t disagree. It furthers my previous statement about Farkran’s posts.

[Sujimichi]

I mean it's one of the reasons for chosing the blast disc, it makes sense

It is also an excuse that could be made after being called out for choosing a blast disc. Just making the statement does not enhance the veracity of it.

[Sujimichi]

I mean it's one of the reasons for chosing the blast disc, it makes sense

It is also an excuse that could be made after being called out for choosing a blast disc. Just making the statement does not enhance the veracity of it.

I should also point out that it could have been a pre-planned excuse rather than an excuse made up for being called out, as that seems the more likely option.

[Sujimichi]

That’s fine. I’m just pointing out that there are alternative options, and your belief that his statement is true is based on your own internal assumption. Believing his statement is true just because he made it does not “make sense.”

[Sujimichi]

Blast disk is bad idea because first day holds the least information. Our choice today doesn't include any PR or flip relation so using vote advantage is a waste.

You are correct in theory but there are some very dangerous skills out there

And, you know this how?

[Sujimichi]

Apparently, we are all going to out our roles before the day is over. I can't believe that this is a normal thing to do.

[Sujimichi]

I think only the magia part of salamence claim is bs

The rest is true

Why would someone go to the trouble to fake only one part of their role while being truthful with the remainder of the claim?

[Sujimichi]

I... really disagree with this, it depends a lot on your abilites. From what i could garner from my skillset, accel is the least towny.

I also disagree with Evenstar.

[Sujimichi]

I'm slightly sure I'm effectively an effing

mason

right now

I'm uncertain as to how you are effectively a role that you are effectively not.

[Sujimichi]

Suji... has a weird formal tone to their posts that makes me instantly dislike him, because I've seen scum hide behind formality more than a few times. His actual actions also don't look that great. Overall, meh; I think I want to give him a bit more time to develop before I come down hard one way or the other, but he certainly isn't winning any favours rn.

Apologies if you do not like my tone. You aren't the first person I've heard that from here, but I cannot change the way that I am.

[Sujimichi]

@Gamma Emerald: Why are you not voting? You have a lot to say, but you aren't putting a vote behind anything you say.

[Sujimichi]

Salamence notices obv bs from severa

Did Salamence notice that it was obviously not a true claim? I didn't pick up on that from reading Salamence's posting.

Salamence produces obv bs in response

But, the issue that I brought up was that why would they "produce obv bs" for only a portion of their role claim? If they felt it was not true, and only done to elicit a reaction, why would they not produce a false role claim in its entirety?

I don't think anyone ever seriously
claims cop d1,

Salamence didn't claim cop. He claimed rolecop which is a functionally different role.

You seem to rely a lot on your own feelings about players and their play, and not so much reasoning or rationale behind actions. Is this a fair statement?

[Sujimichi]

And after this, he doesn't even vote Severa out of his "gambit"

Perhaps the below is why.

Severa has now indirectly and directly gotten 2 people to out prs now. Idk how I feel about it.

[Sujimichi]

@Suji I hadn’t read much of anything before now, and I want to post a lead rist before voting rn.

You seem to have read and engaged now. Could you post your reads list?

[Sujimichi]

I think you're disagreeing with my reasoning rather than me not relying on it.

I drew my last comment from the below since you don't actually have anything supporting these statements.

I don't think anyone ever seriously claims cop d1

I believe no one has actually claimed seriously so far

[Sujimichi]

@Suji I hadn’t read much of anything before now, and I want to post a lead rist before voting rn.

You seem to have read and engaged now. Could you post your reads list?

I’ll expand later but for now my strong reads are like
Severa and Salamence town
Farkran and you scum

I look forward to the expansion.

[Sujimichi]

VOTE: Gamma Emerald

[Sujimichi]

Oh. That's mostly common sense, but i also explained my reasoning behind that assumption. Do you see anything wrong with it?

I mean, i like you attempting to draw a profile of me, but i think you're doing it wrong

If I'm incorrect in my assumption as to your style, that's fine. Thank you.

From my limited experience on this site, players can tend to get emotional and do things that defy logic or reasoning, so I can see someone claiming cop in exasperation or anger. I read Salamence's posts as such.

[Sujimichi]

VOTE: Gamma Emerald

Why would you engage me like you are if you are scumreading me, especially with no real reasons expressed?

Also I would like it if you would tell me why you defaulted to calling post 129 an excuse.

I previously explained my reservation as to your slot in post 511. You then proceed to state a strong scum read on two players, as well as a strong town read on two players, and yet you still do not vote despite your only previous reservation that you hadn't read much and wanted to post a reads list. All whilst being one of the top posters in the game.

This is why I voted for you.

In terms of my response to your post [align=]129[/align], I was posting alternative rationales for your post to show that Farkran's assumption was not the only correct one. I believe I already stated that in post 144.

[Sujimichi]

I don't think salamence fits with the emotional profile. If he was being emotional about that exchange, he would have voted the crap out of severa in colored, large sized bolded text

Perhaps, though Salamence did later state that it was causing confusion in his read on Severa as I previously pointed out.

[Sujimichi]

VOTE: Gamma Emerald

Why would you engage me like you are if you are scumreading me, especially with no real reasons expressed?

Also I would like it if you would tell me why you defaulted to calling post 129 an excuse.

I previously explained my reservation as to your slot in post 511. You then proceed to state a strong scum read on two players, as well as a strong town read on two players, and yet you still do not vote despite your only previous reservation that you hadn't read much and wanted to post a reads list. All whilst being one of the top posters in the game.

This is why I voted for you.

In terms of my response to your post 129, I was posting alternative rationales for your post to show that Farkran's assumption was not the only correct one. I believe I already stated that in post 144.

Editted so that post 129 links correctly.

[Sujimichi]

I agree.

[Sujimichi]

I think it was kinda clear that wasn’t my actual read list, just me vomiting up reads to placate you.

It wasn't clear. You suggested they were strong reads as you stated they were "strong."

Plus you twice asserted it was an excuse, and didn’t really suggest much else. That doesn’t sound like suggesting alternatives, that sounds like creating a narrative.

I explicitly said that they were alternative assumptions. I can't control how you interpret that statement.

Full read list is in progress rn, got it like 1/3 done

Ok. I look forward to it.

[Sujimichi]

His assertion that my 129 was an excuse didn’t seem genuine.

I did not assert this.

[Sujimichi]

UNVOTE:

[Sujimichi]

I see no reason for you as town to show such a presumption of guilt.

My point had nothing to do with your slot. It had to do with Farkran, and how he determined his read on your slot.

[Sujimichi]

I can't argue with your opinion.

And, yes, I have stated where I agree with others. This is true. Consistently is not an adverb that is accurate, however.

[Sujimichi]

The above post was direct toward Gamma Emerald.

[Sujimichi]

Yes, but the way he’s doing it is extremely shady. He’s like “ah yes, this makes sense”.

How, in your opinion, does one convey agreement in a non-shady manner?

I have noted in my history here two ways scum will agree with people that are solid tells imo. The first is where scum will support a townie’s idea by bolstering the Townie’s argument while adding little of their own content to it.

So, in your view, if I am town and I agree with someone's point of view with reasoning or rationale that may strengthen said view, I should keep it to myself?

Your second argument, by your own admission, does not apply to me.

[Sujimichi]

@pops: I town read Severa because he's following his town meta and his postings in our hood (me, TL, Severa).

To confirm, you have a neighborhood with TemporalLynch and Severa? Was this established from the start?

[Sujimichi]

Fark gave some useful thoughts and wasn't afraid to stand by them. His early bait was NAI. I am mostly concerned about his knowledge. He seems to know more about roles then others. Like he would know mechanics of his partners.

This is why I asked for my initial clarification of his statement that there were dangerous roles out there.

[Sujimichi]

Reconsidered suji.

What caused you to reconsider, and what was it that led you to a town read on me?

[Sujimichi]

MOST TOWNY

Pops
Kerset
Alchemist
Sujimichi
TL
Severa

- DEAD NULL -

Gamma
Farkran
Salamence
Chemist
Venus & Mars
Bitmap

MOST SCUMMY

@Chemist1422 post more

I moved up a considerable amount, as did TemporalLynch. Would you explain this?

[Sujimichi]

My reads here say the following:

Kerset

and

Pops

have generated signifocant information that took real analysis.
Everybody above null at least looks like they're contributing to the solving effort.
Everyone below is either illegible or a low contributor.

Severa

has a burden of proficiency, so simply "looking like he's solving" isn't good enough for him to climb much hogher than null.

TL

, while he's... Hmmm. TL could totes be pulling a refuge in aufacity. Maybe I should move him down.

@Severa, how do you know TL's not just incompetent? I'm having difficulty finding wolf motive beyond "spread chaos" in his current postings.

You can ignore my previous post requesting an explanation. This covers it.

[Sujimichi]

Gamewide I think people are doing lists too much and I think discussing top 3's and why you feel that way is more relevant but I probably shouldn't try to browbeat people into following my style preferences

I agree with this. It would be more helpful for me if people would explain a few of their strong reads when asked, rather then produce an entire list of their reads with little or no explanation.

[Sujimichi]

I don't think pops is town. Literally ez push after ez push and I still think TL is town.

How strong is your TL Townread?

Strong based on neighborhood. But this can change starting D2.

Is there anything you are willing to share that may elucidate a town TemporalLich to those of us who are only aware of his content in this game thread?

[Sujimichi]

Sujimichi, do you townread or scumread Kerset?

I don't have a particularly strong read on Kerset one way or the other at the moment. I do disagree with most of his listed scumreads aside from TemporalLich and possibly Venus and Mars (of which I currently have no read on).

[Sujimichi]

@pops: I town read Severa because he's following his town meta and his postings in our hood (me, TL, Severa).

To confirm, you have a neighborhood with TemporalLynch and Severa? Was this established from the start?

ur mom

This is obviously not a relevant answer and is not helpful.

[Sujimichi]

Gamewide I think people are doing lists too much and I think discussing top 3's and why you feel that way is more relevant but I probably shouldn't try to browbeat people into following my style preferences

I agree with this. It would be more helpful for me if people would explain a few of their strong reads when asked, rather then produce an entire list of their reads with little or no explanation.

Who explains their townreads?

If youre talking about scumreads everyone not named pops or Severa has I believe

I'm not sure I understand why there would be hesitation to provide reasoning for a town read. I have seen people explain them in both of my completed games on site.

[Sujimichi]

no, unless you get Severa and TL to be okay with it

That's fair.

[Sujimichi]

Apologies for my absence. I have been doing holiday things and will catch up later today.

[Sujimichi]

VOTE: popsofctown

[Sujimichi]

Before I proceed to catch up, is the majority of the posts that I missed Farkran and Salamence20 arguing about statuses?

[Sujimichi]

Then, I will do a quick skim through.

[Sujimichi]

That seems very suspect.

[Sujimichi]

That would assume you're competent

Also Farkran how did you know he was lying about one specific aspect of his role yesterday

I assumed no one would

actually

fullclaim. In case he did, i tried to put some wifom on his claim.

Yesterday i assumed he was dumbtown, today he lied about yet another thing, i no longer believe he is town.

Yes, but you specifically said that you thought

only

the magia part of his claim was false.

[Sujimichi]

VOTE: Salamence20

[Sujimichi]

To be fair to Farkran, Mt. Fuji is not even in the top 100 tallest mountains, so the intended comparison was likely off.

RC, who do you suspect as the last scum with Salamence20 as mafia? In the unlikely case, he is town, who would you suspect?

[Sujimichi]

RC, who do you suspect as the last scum with Salamence20 as mafia? In the unlikely case, he is town, who would you suspect?

Ignoring my atrocious use of commas, this is an important question.

[Sujimichi]

Perhaps I counted incorrectly, but I do not think that Salamence20 has been lynched and is only at 14 votes.

[Sujimichi]

I would rather lynch you.

[Sujimichi]

Fark(5)+me(3)+RC(2)+suji(2)+alch(2)+sala(3)

Where did you vote Salamence20?

[Sujimichi]

Oh, I see it now. It was not on its own line.

[Sujimichi]

Apologies, Venus and Mars. I asked RadiantCowbells for their reads on the remaining scum yesterday and wasn't provided an answer, so I went based on his ISO.

[Sujimichi]

My skill is "My True Nature" which allows me to remove one vote from a target provided they have three or more votes currently on this. My cooldown for this is 2 phases.
My ability is "The Mao Family Is As Rowdy As Ever" which grants me a 25% chance to block a status ailment.
My 100MP ability (which I used last night) is "Blitz Stride" where I get 2 votes and choose a target to kill.
My 200MP ability (which I calculated was unreachable based on my discs) is "Hornet Javelin" where I get 3 votes and choose a target to kill; however, it will only work if the target is not a Kamihama Magical Girl. I also become able to survive one kill attempt the night this is activated.

[Sujimichi]

I did not read it incorrectly.

[Sujimichi]

You should have listened to me btw, V&M was almost never scum in this game from how she played in d1

I'm not sure what you have done that I should listen to you over RadiantCowbells in this game. Obviously, it is easy to make statements like this in hindsight, but it further no purpose.

[Sujimichi]

What is there about me to solve, Kerset? Also, could someone please explain the mechanics that clear Alchemist21?

[Sujimichi]

I cast a doppel and get result. That is all.

I believe that was implied by your statement. My question was more regarding why you feel that you need to ascertain my alignment when I've been perfectly clear as to my abilities, and there were two kills last night. Also, I take it by your statement that you do not believe that Alchemist21 is mechanically clear.

[Sujimichi]

What is there about me to solve, Kerset? Also, could someone please explain the mechanics that clear Alchemist21?

Alchemist was Charmed. Charm prevents any action except factional kills. But if bitmap was protecting severa, factional kill alone is not enough to bypass that.

Thank you. Are you supporting Alchemist21's description of Charm then? Also, is it not possible that Alcehmist21 is lying about being Charmed (I assume someone has claimed they charmed Alchemist21)? Lastly, would it not be possible for Venus and Mars to have targetted Bitmap? I am not saying this is something with high probability, but I would like to layout all known options.

[Sujimichi]

That makes sense. Thank you.

[Sujimichi]

Who confirmed the Charm status description? When I search the thread, I am unable to find that confirmation.

[Sujimichi]

Who confirmed the Charm status description? When I search the thread, I am unable to find that confirmation.

It's confirmed dw.

Oh. I must assume it was confirmed in the Neighborhood private thread. Forgive me then if I proceed with some skepticism since it was not also confirmed in public. However, I am fine with lynching Chemist1422 and Gamma Emerald and then revisiting if the remaining mafia member is not in those two.

[Sujimichi]

About V&M... if they targeted bitmap, it means they attracted Bitmap's bodyguard protection to themselves, therefore Bitmap would have died in their place when you tried to kill them.

Did not RadiantCowbells indicate that he believed Bitmap was targetted by mafia night 1 and that Evenstar was a Serial Killer kill? That would imply that Bitmap's bodyguard does not necessarily function as a normal bodyguard. RadiantCowbells also stated that the three of the Neighborhood private thread members were, through a combination of their roles, unkillable (though we know that not to be completely true now).

[Sujimichi]

Apologies. We can revisit later if necessary. I have many more questions that a probably not best asked in the current state.

[Sujimichi]

I am willing to vote Chemist1422 whenever we are ready. I assume that we would like for Gamma Emerald to return to answer the question around boosted MP first?

[Sujimichi]

Based on wording it doesn’t look random but I actually am not sure
Should I ask about that?

How are you not sure? You previously stated that it was random with certainty, and now you somehow do not know? That doesn't make sense to me.

[Sujimichi]

Kerset is the charmer and has confirmed another of his powers. He could bypass bitmap's protection with his charm, but 1. He charmed alchemist, 2. Bitmap didn't claim charmed. Plus, as i said, if scum had access to charm mechanics, they wouldn't have claimed stunned.

Where did he claim this? I saw his doppel claim, but not his Charmer claim.

[Sujimichi]

I am mildly frustrated with what is being discussed behind closed doors and then outed as common knowledge.

[Sujimichi]

Does anyone know the current vote count?

[Sujimichi]

VOTE: Gamma Emerald

[Sujimichi]

If you’re voting Gamma you gotta explain why all three scum went on the Farkran wagon D1

I don't understand. Why would this not occur?

[Sujimichi]

If you’re voting Gamma you gotta explain why all three scum went on the Farkran wagon D1

I don't understand. Why would this not occur?

Because it makes them each individually more suspicious

And, yet, you are using it as a basis to say that the scumread on Gamma does not make sense.

[Sujimichi]

I could take one vote away from Gamma Emerald if you would like for me to confirm my ability. This will keep Gamma Emerald within Bitmap's hammer range. I don't believe this is necessary, but I am happy to do so.

[Sujimichi]

I remove a vote from my target if they have three or more votes. I don't remove a vote from someone's disc.

[Sujimichi]

Could we get 3 votes on suji and 3 votes on chemist. Then suji would use his ability on chemist?

Chemist1422 already has three votes. I just need Alchemist21 to vote for me and we can test the vote removal.

[Sujimichi]

I can only paraphrase my ability per the moderator's rules. I can activate my ability once per two phases. When I do, I can target a player and, if they have three or more votes, remove one vote from the targetted player. I cannot use this in twilight or when a player is exactly one vote away from a lynch. I assume this is meant to act as a similar, conditional application of "loved."

As to the usefulness of the ability, that was determined by the moderator when creating the setup. It does not seem that useful to me, which is why I have not used it yet.

[Sujimichi]

Activate: My True Nature.
Target: Chemist1422

[Sujimichi]

Why did you refuse to claim yesterday when your ability was simply to protect yourself?

[Sujimichi]

Forgive me if I am a bit skeptical, but the vague mystique of the unknown would be unlikely enough to sway a kill in your direction over the other claimed abilities yesterday, and I would think someone of your experience would be aware of that.

[Sujimichi]

Good game to all. This was fun.

[Sujimichi]

Sujimichi will you play with me again?

Yes.

Also, I have finished Three Houses (all paths). I prefer the Golden Deer.

[Sujimichi]

I didn't care about RC reads. As far i can see only Bitmap and Suji did and that was the reason of his kill on V&M.

RC didn’t sr me though. Suji obviously misunderstood.

The below is where I took RadiantCowbell’s read from. If I misunderstood, I apologize.

My quick pick for main faction scum is V&M + Kerset with serial killer somewhere in the slots that I'm clearing based on associatives

VOTE: Venus and Mars

Why were you so fucking obstinate about voting all the coungerwagons to pops?

Also like after further consideration and looking at the names

I don't really feel like there were any scum on the wagon

They and Sala should be PLed for their defenses of pops

If both are town, 1t1s, 2s, doesn't matter we will restart aftee

Why is every game with RC filled to the brim with AtE?

Because he keeps advocating dumbass policy lynches for anyone who votes incorrectly, like Cephir and Goodies in MG, rather than actually read their fucking ISOs and critically try to read if the player who wasn’t God/psychic/voted wrong is actually demonstrating a townie thought process or not. We had to wasted two mislynches because RC won’t fucking read.

Wanna talk about you dragging me off Volpe 3 different times and powerlynching my townread Okapoka

That's not the point Nancy the point is I'm eliminating all possible not bussers before I go after bussers.