Mini 2106 - Magia Record Fate Weave Semi-U-Pick (OVER!)

[Venus and Mars]

Finished reading everything up, Hello all~


~Venus

[Venus and Mars]

VOTE: Venus and Mars

Boooo

A disclaimer here, Nancy is sick a D I was extremely busy yesterday then had a to fulfil my gm duties for my group leading to my inactivity. I am reading up as I write this.
~Venus

[Venus and Mars]

Btw, long overdue but

Salamance, how u been it has been ages. I was excited to see u in the player list.

~Venus

[Venus and Mars]

VOTE: Venus and Mars

Boooo

A disclaimer here, Nancy is sick a D I was extremely busy yesterday then had a to fulfil my gm duties for my group leading to my inactivity. I am reading up as I write this.
~Venus

Will try to catch up later.

~Mars

[Venus and Mars]

Still on p 23 but liking so far (in no particular order), Gamma, Even, Pops, maybe Bit? I think Severa’s reaction to people falling for his gambit looks townie.

~M

[Venus and Mars]

Still on p 23 but liking so far (in no particular order), Gamma, Even, Pops, maybe Bit? I think Severa’s reaction to people falling for his gambit looks townie.

~M

Could you elaborate on these shortreads a bit?

It’s just a brief skim so I’m not yet caught up but Gamma claimed useless role. That usually tends to be town indicative. I have to reread but you looked to be sorting, Pops had a number of reads he felt confident on, Bit changed his vote and as I already stated, I think scum!RC would be more serious wrt the whole fake rolecop thing.

I will have to reread those posts again to explain it more thoroughly.

[Venus and Mars]

Still on p 23 but liking so far (in no particular order), Gamma, Even, Pops, maybe Bit? I think Severa’s reaction to people falling for his gambit looks townie.

~M

Could you elaborate on these shortreads a bit?

It’s just a brief skim so I’m not yet caught up but Gamma claimed useless role. That usually tends to be town indicative. I have to reread but you looked to be sorting, Pops had a number of reads he felt confident on, Bit changed his vote and as I already stated, I think scum!RC would be more serious wrt the whole fake rolecop thing.

I will have to reread those posts again to explain it more thoroughly.

~Mars

[Venus and Mars]

Btw, long overdue but

Salamance, how u been it has been ages. I was excited to see u in the player list.

~Venus

*tips hat* Shiro.

If you have any questions directed to me ask me and Ill answer if I can

So, from my understanding of your 351 your scumlist is {TL, Alchemist, pops, farkran}? I'm not sure if i'm still in there, perhaps more of a nullscum?

What strikes you as scum from pops?

Can you provide your thoughts about gamma?

Also about Evenstar?

Pops is scum just based on her posts and votes. From what I got, the vote on Bitmap really didnt make sense when I read that she was reading TL as scum more. Then Gamma and Kerset, Im not a fan of their vote but again pops has made it clear TL is scum but hasnt voted him. If TL flips scum I know where Im probably going next and vice versa.

I like Evenstar still as a voice of reason/foil to SEVERA.

I think gamma has been direct and open when rereading which I thought was town, but others have said this is NAI. Idk I think hes sounds towny ngl.

Im still for TL>Pops>Alch>Chem/ShiroDrew

Falkran is less of a problem for now, Im not sure why Kerset is mafia other than RC (aka YOUR GOD) COMMANDS IT

Oh really, I probably shouldn’t have posted until I fully caught up.

We’re not scum here and I will eventually prove that.

I haven’t been feeling well as Shiro said and I still don’t fully understand the mechanics but I felt bad having Shiro do all the work.

[Venus and Mars]

Btw, long overdue but

Salamance, how u been it has been ages. I was excited to see u in the player list.

~Venus

*tips hat* Shiro.

If you have any questions directed to me ask me and Ill answer if I can

So, from my understanding of your 351 your scumlist is {TL, Alchemist, pops, farkran}? I'm not sure if i'm still in there, perhaps more of a nullscum?

What strikes you as scum from pops?

Can you provide your thoughts about gamma?

Also about Evenstar?

Pops is scum just based on her posts and votes. From what I got, the vote on Bitmap really didnt make sense when I read that she was reading TL as scum more. Then Gamma and Kerset, Im not a fan of their vote but again pops has made it clear TL is scum but hasnt voted him. If TL flips scum I know where Im probably going next and vice versa.

I like Evenstar still as a voice of reason/foil to SEVERA.

I think gamma has been direct and open when rereading which I thought was town, but others have said this is NAI. Idk I think hes sounds towny ngl.

Im still for TL>Pops>Alch>Chem/ShiroDrew

Falkran is less of a problem for now, Im not sure why Kerset is mafia other than RC (aka YOUR GOD) COMMANDS IT

Oh really, I probably shouldn’t have posted until I fully caught up.

We’re not scum here and I will eventually prove that.

I haven’t been feeling well as Shiro said and I still don’t fully understand the mechanics but I felt bad having Shiro do all the work.

Also, why is Chemist suspicious particularly?

[Venus and Mars]

MOST TOWNY

Pops
Kerset
Alchemist
Sujimichi
TL
Severa

- DEAD NULL -

Gamma
Farkran
Salamence
Chemist
Venus & Mars
Bitmap

MOST SCUMMY

@Chemist1422 post more

I really don’t see why Gamma should be a null?

[Venus and Mars]

UNVOTE:

I kind of like this catchup.

Really?

@Nancy: I dont understand Chemist’s meta, his lurking around makes him sus, but Im starting to realize this is normal.

I’ve only seen him once as scum, in MG and he doesn’t seem similar here.

[Venus and Mars]

I don't think pops is town. Literally ez push after ez push and I still think TL is town.

How strong is your TL Townread?

TL seems townie here. The way he kept going on and on about who he wants in the neighbourhood. It read really sincere to me.

~M

[Venus and Mars]

Still haven’t completely caught up, sorry but current reads (again in no particular order) are that Bit, Gamma, Sal, TL, Severa and Chemist are all town and I think any votes on those slots are bad.

[Venus and Mars]

Still haven’t completely caught up, sorry but current reads (again in no particular order) are that Bit, Gamma, Sal, TL, Severa and Chemist are all town and I think any votes on those slots are bad.

Maybe switch Even with TL? He’s a hard read because he in general, doesn’t have great reads - TL that is. I wrongly sr him in Gameshow.

@Salamence and @Severa, why were you suspicious of my slot for “not playing”? Both of you know exactly why I’m late to the game. I barely even posted anywhere on MS recently and wasn’t even online for much of that.

I don’t even know how much Shiro has read of the game and I’m still catching up. I’m counting on him to deal with the mechanical part of this.

Based solely on meta, rn I’d bet the game on Gamma/Bit being town but especially Gamma. This is GD Gamma to a freaking T here and whenever I hardtown read Gamma, I’m almost always right.

[Venus and Mars]

No, I expected more Shiro.

Shiro was planning to be more active but I am on a very sad mood because my cat is really sick(we got her to the vet just in time) so it killed my mood to play. Thankfully she is doing better so I will be back on track soon

[Venus and Mars]

No, I expected more Shiro.

Shiro was planning to be more active but I am on a very sad mood because my cat is really sick(we got her to the vet just in time) so it killed my mood to play. Thankfully she is doing better so I will be back on track soon

~ Venus


Anyway I caught up once more, if u have any questions throw them my way. My reads are kind of all over the place though so be ware of that
~Venus

[Venus and Mars]

Still haven’t completely caught up, sorry but current reads (again in no particular order) are that Bit, Gamma, Sal, TL, Severa and Chemist are all town and I think any votes on those slots are bad.

Maybe switch Even with TL? He’s a hard read because he in general, doesn’t have great reads - TL that is. I wrongly sr him in Gameshow.

@Salamence and @Severa, why were you suspicious of my slot for “not playing”? Both of you know exactly why I’m late to the game. I barely even posted anywhere on MS recently and wasn’t even online for much of that.

I don’t even know how much Shiro has read of the game and I’m still catching up. I’m counting on him to deal with the mechanical part of this.

Based solely on meta, rn I’d bet the game on Gamma/Bit being town but especially Gamma. This is GD Gamma to a freaking T here and whenever I hardtown read Gamma, I’m almost always right.

I might want to trust you on gamma if you explain her bad push on me around 473. Talk to me about her playstyle and whether he does that as town.

His posts just seem pure like he sounds really sincere and there’s really nothing logically inconsistent in his thought progression. Scum often have a hard time with this. I should probably link you to Gay Dance, which his play here most strongly reminds me of. I have rolled scum with him 3 times and when he’s scum, he usually sounds really off, makes posts that seem contradictory and don’t make a lot of sense, sometimes scum!Gamma’s posting comes off as weird but he has many strong nuanced reads on a lot of slots, plus there’s the usually town indicative negative/useless utility claim and her argument with Severa which reads tvt to me and I have real trouble seeing scum!Gamma go 1v1 with town!Severa like that.

[Venus and Mars]

No, I expected more Shiro.

Shiro was planning to be more active but I am on a very sad mood because my cat is really sick(we got her to the vet just in time) so it killed my mood to play. Thankfully she is doing better so I will be back on track soon

~ Venus


Anyway I caught up once more, if u have any questions throw them my way. My reads are kind of all over the place though so be ware of that
~Venus

I’m so sorry to hear that, I hope you feel better soon.

**HUGS {{{{}}}} **

[Venus and Mars]

I think that people are tonally scumreading Sujimichi (who posts in a way that is liable to be tonally scumread) without considering the merits of what she posts and if you focus purely on what she says she's towny.

This looks like town Severa to me. He made a post similar to this in both DnD Mafia and CoaLITion.

[Venus and Mars]

I think that people are tonally scumreading Sujimichi (who posts in a way that is liable to be tonally scumread) without considering the merits of what she posts and if you focus purely on what she says she's towny.

This looks like town Severa to me. He made a post similar to this in both DnD Mafia and CoaLITion.

Oh and Shiro also tr him here.

[Venus and Mars]

So far we have Rolecop, Neighborizer, “Dangerous Role,” “Useless Role,” and dayvig.

What the fuck kinda game am I playing

A role madness one where everything is dictated based on a gacha pick for a character and a gacha pick for a secondary abbility. Pretty much everything can happen.

[Venus and Mars]

So far we have Rolecop, Neighborizer, “Dangerous Role,” “Useless Role,” and dayvig.

What the fuck kinda game am I playing

A role madness one where everything is dictated based on a gacha pick for a character and a gacha pick for a secondary abbility. Pretty much everything can happen.

~Venus

[Venus and Mars]

Still haven’t completely caught up, sorry but current reads (again in no particular order) are that Bit, Gamma, Sal, TL, Severa and Chemist are all town and I think any votes on those slots are bad.

Maybe switch Even with TL? He’s a hard read because he in general, doesn’t have great reads - TL that is. I wrongly sr him in Gameshow.

@Salamence and @Severa, why were you suspicious of my slot for “not playing”? Both of you know exactly why I’m late to the game. I barely even posted anywhere on MS recently and wasn’t even online for much of that.

I don’t even know how much Shiro has read of the game and I’m still catching up. I’m counting on him to deal with the mechanical part of this.

Based solely on meta, rn I’d bet the game on Gamma/Bit being town but especially Gamma. This is GD Gamma to a freaking T here and whenever I hardtown read Gamma, I’m almost always right.

I might want to trust you on gamma if you explain her bad push on me around 473. Talk to me about her playstyle and whether he does that as town.

His posts just seem pure like he sounds really sincere and there’s really nothing logically inconsistent in his thought progression. Scum often have a hard time with this. I should probably link you to Gay Dance, which his play here most strongly reminds me of. I have rolled scum with him 3 times and when he’s scum, he usually sounds really off, makes posts that seem contradictory and don’t make a lot of sense, sometimes scum!Gamma’s posting comes off as weird but he has many strong nuanced reads on a lot of slots, plus there’s the usually town indicative negative/useless utility claim and her argument with Severa which reads tvt to me and I have real trouble seeing scum!Gamma go 1v1 with town!Severa like that.

I get what you're trying to tell me, but actually i do think that he is being contradictory in this game. I gave you a specific example to analyze because that's where i think he has been using bad logic to make his push, and refused to back it up when i questioned him about it. To be more specific, my problem with his push are 1. the reasoning itself is contradictory, 2. he said it was a

strong

read. I would have been ok if either the reasoning was good, or if it was bad and he was just pushing for pressure, but this does not seem to be the case. You can read 696-697 for additional details.

I read the posts you linked, plus the rest of his ISO and I don’t see what you mean by him contradicting himself? This isn’t how scum!Gamma plays. Is Gamma pushing you? Yes? Does that make him scum? No because his posting doesn’t read to me in any way as agenda driven. Have you read his entire ISO or are just fixated on a couple of posts?

[Venus and Mars]

Watercolor Rain: Kerset

ok i play ringfit adventure bbl

You made my hair wet just because you are jealous that I am prettier. I am the most kawaii girl get over it.
Is it legit use of ability? Are we able to determine this?

Town response.

—————

@Shiro Drew: I wanted to vote you just to get you guys in here. At the time I had no idea where shiro was.

——————

It seems Severa was on the exact same page except with more chilling dramatics.

[Venus and Mars]

@Fakran. @Kercet, can you link me both a town and scumgame of yours? Maybe @TL, a scumgame?

Thanks.

~Mars

[Venus and Mars]

I read the posts you linked, plus the rest of his ISO and I don’t see what you mean by him contradicting himself? This isn’t how scum!Gamma plays. Is Gamma pushing you? Yes? Does that make him scum? No because his posting doesn’t read to me in any way as agenda driven. Have you read his entire ISO or are just fixated on a couple of posts?

It's not the fact that he is pushing ME that makes him scum, it's the fact that it is a contradictory bad push. He misrepped me, twice, and then claimed he had a strong read on my slot. I am a moderately consensus scumread in this game, how is that not an opportunistic and agenda-driven push?

pedit: i have my scumgame in my sig, Newbie 1958

I had also asked for a towngame but I found one anyway. One thing that struck me here is that your second post in this game is very similar to your opening one in that newbie scumgame you have in your sig but you did not make any comparable post like either in Deathcars.

I also noticed that in 1558, you were extremely self-centric, yet you really weren’t at all in Deathcars.

[Venus and Mars]

take this as "a game I was scum in": https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=80648

You’re meta is really fascinating. You act obvtown as scum, based on that game, so maybe you’re town here.

[Venus and Mars]

Everything TemporalLich says is so backwards or weird that I can’t believe it’s not intentional.

VOTE: TemporalLich

Read Gameshow, he acted super scummy in that and shockingly, he was town.

[Venus and Mars]

@Suji I hadn’t read much of anything before now, and I want to post a lead rist before voting rn.

You seem to have read and engaged now. Could you post your reads list?

I’ll expand later but for now my strong reads are like
Severa and Salamence town
Farkran and you scum

@anyone with experience with gamma: is it compatible with his meta to produce strong scum
reads after putting so much effort in catching up and

trying to steal town leadership from a player she is TRing?

“Steal town leadership”? Wut?

[Venus and Mars]

Oh. That's mostly common sense, but i also explained my reasoning behind that assumption. Do you see anything wrong with it?

I mean, i like you attempting to draw a profile of me, but i think you're doing it wrong

If I'm incorrect in my assumption as to your style, that's fine. Thank you.

From my limited experience on this site, players can tend to get emotional and do things that defy logic or reasoning, so I can see someone claiming cop in exasperation or anger. I read Salamence's posts as such.

I don't think salamence fits with the emotional profile. If he was being emotional about that exchange, he would have voted the crap out of severa in colored, large sized bolded text

Is that inline with Salamence meta or is this just your assumption?

[Venus and Mars]

@Suji I hadn’t read much of anything before now, and I want to post a lead rist before voting rn.

You seem to have read and engaged now. Could you post your reads list?

I’ll expand later but for now my strong reads are like
Severa and Salamence town
Farkran and you scum

@anyone with experience with gamma: is it compatible with his meta to produce strong scum
reads after putting so much effort in catching up and trying to steal town leadership from a player she is TRing?

Forgot about this
Why do you say I’m “stealing town leadership”? And why do you think me putting out strong reads after solis effort is a weird thing needing meta to explain?
In fact I think you and Evenstar have both done this thing of badgering about meta on me.

You insisted a lot on not wanting Severa as town leader because you think he's bad, am i correct? The whole antitown alt argument was about that, if i read it properly.

However, you're TRing Severa, so the bad thing about him is probably his skill at reading people, which could lead town loss. Or is there anything else?

If i am wrong, please tell me and i'll ISO you tomorrow (2 am and from mobile right now)

Why can’t Gamma or anyone else for that matter have their own solve? I don’t blindly follow anyone and I only sheep if I can’t find a better vote or if the majority are voting a slot, I’m not tr. Why can’t Gamma both disagree with and tr Severa?

[Venus and Mars]

This reads like a pocket

VOTE: Farkran

Nah, i have played with Kerset and read more of his other games for different purposes, and this is town!Kerset.

Have you played with him offsite because while he didn’t respond to my questions wrt to games, on reviewing his meta, I could find only towngames?

[Venus and Mars]

Farkhan if you dont have severas support you wont be able to lynch anyone today.

Id like to lynch TL, I could probably get Shiro Drew to sheep me if I tried, but theres too many others that wont go seperate from GOD D1.

Just give RC his lynch today fuck.

Yea I am iffy on TL by quite a bit but Nancy thinks they are town soo it could happen. I am not opposed to lynching kerset either so honestlky I am cool with voting there as well.

[Venus and Mars]

This reads like a pocket

VOTE: Farkran

Nah, i have played with Kerset and read more of his other games for different purposes, and this is town!Kerset.

Have you played with him offsite because while he didn’t respond to my questions wrt to games, on reviewing his meta, I could find only towngames?

I haven't played as scum so far, i said this already to severa.

Yes, like I said to Fakran, I could only find towngames. Is there anyone other than Severa, you’d be interested in lynching today?

~Mars

[Venus and Mars]

MITAMA'S SPECIAL TRAINING

VOTECOUNT 1.5

Kerset

(5P, 15V,

L-4

): Severa(3), Salamence20(4), Alchemist21(3), TemporalLich(3), Bitmap(2)

Alchemist21

(2P, 6V): popsofctown(3), Kerset(3)

Farkran

(1P, 4V): Gamma Emerald(

4

)

Salamence20

(1P, 3V): Evenstar(2)

Evenstar

(1P, 3V): Farkran(3)

Not Voting (3P, 7V)

: Sujimichi(3), Venus and Mars(2), Chemist1422(2)

With a total of 37 votes, it's 19 to lynch.

Day 1 ends in (expired on 2019-12-07 23:00:00)

Just as a reminder, a player who is not voting the top wagon and has orange numbers has enough votes to cast a hammer.

That’s really wild that different players get different numbers of votes. It looks like it’s being used responsibly here, unlike that game I hydra’d with Ari in. I personally don’t think any one player ought to have any more than three.

[Venus and Mars]

I'm at 11/19 votes but I am pretty sure I am more at L-Severa
I am not going to really try to convince Severa I am not scum because old newbies + MG made that process seem futile and exhausting. It's nbd because Severa mostly does better than rand and even if this the LE lynch of this game as long as no one fakeclaims masons it will be o.k. As long as protectives is Severa
Then additionally I am not going to really try to convince people on the wagon I'm not scum because they're just sheeping Severa. So that's silly.
I will just list my reads, tomorrow at closer to literal L-1 I will claim, but tomorrow and this weekend I have stuffs so I want to post now, then I will play with you guys some other time.

Alchemist21: Alchemist has been very scummy and I don't know why Severa townreads him. Even though he is "scummy" as town he just manages to seem even scummier than that, even someone who posts with a scummy tone could at least not be on easy wagons because their mind is towny independent guesses even though they have scumshaped lips they were born with? If Severa is killed it seems dangerous to townlock alchemist. He could be town yes he has played this bad but it's not safety to look at universally scummy play and call it town because someone like didn't claim scum
Bitmap: Bitmap has felt really scummy this game, basically I have no reason not to push him besides he softed but I do think this is a game with OP magicks and runaan hurricanes and mercurial infinity edge and keeping strong role alive can be strong. I feel like he has used copying Severa in a defensive way the occludes his motives and he it's different from how he would sheep Severa if he was town. I don't think the fake desp is out of his scumrange because he had a neighborhood to feel comfortable from and play it like a game.
Chemist1422: Chemist was very towny in the first few pages but has not posted much in the last half of the game. I feel like you should really treat him like he got innocented by uncofnirmed sanity cop going through the rest of the game. I am eating some nuts. Chemist thought process is town if you reread his early post and he made post that increase his profile for no gain.
Evenstar: Evenstar displayed townie thought process in some of her early posts go backwards and time travel. She has maybe been less exciting in the recent. I also feel like I don't like the way she is on my wagon I think she wouldn't want to sheep Severa like other players and would see I am town from here. But unless it comes to PoE I would still think she is town from early good posts that seemed really town. She is much more carefree in this game than MG I am going to steal our mod's phrase and call her "carefree villager", in MG she was conscious. Wait she was town in MG. Ok still though she can't be too townie to be town? I think you should at least bring her towards LyLo.
Gamma Emerald: I still feel like Gamma Emerald is scummy. I think people are townreading him for pushing onto Severa when he would know that is hard as scum but it seemed to me like he was just trying to ~do stuff~ so it doesn't count. He hasn't posted in a while. But also the ways in which Severa told him he was being silly I felt like GE would know before being told.
Kerset: Kerset is very townie for how ke has reacted to other players even if he's not good at proactive. Many of ker posts are very brave and even if ke has never rolled scum before ker nervousness about team mafia shows ke would be less carefree here than ke has. I actually have changed my mind in liking this slot more than Evenstar, maybe more than Chemist but it is weird because Chemist is AFK.
Salamence20: Salamence has not been as fun as I hoped I would have hoped an unbanned user would be exciting. But he has been mostly townie boring. On the early pages his tone was town and the timing of when he stopped doing his own things and started sheeping Severa seemed more like townie exhaustion rather than Alchemist and Bitmap seem like they are ducking under it as a shield around their own thoughts. I really want to play with this player again in a game without Severa, although that doesn't mean I mind playing with Severa
Severa: I am "not townreading" Severa and it's possible that the way I should calibrate is that that means Severa is scum, sinc the two games where I felt that way he was scum, and in old newbies I townread him. In MG I scumread him but townread his partner but sometimes townread him and it's just like whatever I don't I don't want to think about hydras and feel like I shouldn't have too their not mafia sorry not sorry. Always remember this is a player that can convince people in LyLo that he somehow dodged all those NKs and is not scum but sometimes he is scum. But, anyways anytimes this is a special kind of player.
Sujimichi: Sujimichi's thoughts have seemed townie and he has posted a thing a townie would be thinking. There is not a lot of volume of them though. The things he does post seem easier to fake then Chemsit IMO. It look slike maybe he will be replaced? I would give his slot a small head start not a huge one. But the most important thing. Sujimichi is cute. No one should ever deny this or I will use my dead thread daykill.
TemporalLich: I feel like this players first ~8 post were extremely very extremely scummy and the next however many not so much. People are misrepping eachother calling him LHF over his recent posting being not so bad when his very early posting was so much "scum posts this and town does not post this". His later posts make you question a little bit whether he would be able to make them emotionally but with the way resignation can sometimes be freeing for scum I'm not sure that has a clearing effect.
Venus and Mars: I think the proportion of scumreads:townreads from this slot is very circumstantially suspect as Kerset hinted at at some point or maybe wasn't hinting but I am hinting right here right now right cheow. It seems like a consequence of noticing the trajectory of the town is mislynch trajectory so it's better to do townreads you can reneg on rather than scumreads that could jerk a spotlight that has been very flexible. And also I think ND usually finds something offtempo she would be upset about and I find it suprising/implausible she'd get the different read from me on how Gamma is playing. I would keep my eye here but Shiro is slowly posting more and more and she's easier to read than ND imo so there's that.

cool that is everyone i will finish my nuts then play some FE then sleeps
gn

Can you break up these paragraphs? Reading walls makes my brain hurt.

[Venus and Mars]

Speaking about this game wagons, my concern about them is that we are mostly, if not literally only, seeing wagons driven by Severa and sheeped by bitmap and salamence, whereas the rest of the town either joins in their wagon for little reason (once again this is mainly directed at Evenstar, but occasionally TL and Chemist too), or cannot cooperate - which is bad news by itself but it's also kinda more indicative of the others being actually TOWN rather than trying to look like it.

Based on this i'm much more inclined to believe in town!kerset, town!pops and town!suji. I also believe in town!Severa though - he's the engine behind the wagons but i'm much more worried about those who sheep him blindly than severa himself.

I think salamence is more towny than bitmap - he has moments of lucidity alternating dumb posts, and i'd like to see more of those moments from him.

Alchemist, i don't know - i dislike that vote on Kerset a lot but other than that he doesn't seem scummy in this game.

V&M are not playing, they're just taking consensus scumreads and inductively scumread them while not voting anyone. This slot is scummy.

Finally Gamma Emerald is also scummy for reasons i have already explained but i'd like to hear from him more when he gets back, i'm starting to have too many scumreads in this game.

I'm happy with my current vote on bitmap right now. My lynchpool for today is {Bitmap, Evenstar, Gamma, V&M, TL}.

We’re not scum here and Gamma is obvtown. Why is Bitmap scum?

Are you suspicious of us because you didn’t like my analysis of your games I read? And why don’t you specifically explain to me like I’m 5, exactly how you think Gamma contradicted himself because when scum!Gamma contradicts himself, you don’t need to literally have to wrap your brain into a pretzel to see it and I’ve tried that and I still am not seeing that at all.

I would also like to hear why you’re so sure on Evenstar scum? I don’t think I’m understanding any of your reads and I’m not letting you lynch Bitmap.

~Mars

[Venus and Mars]

Also i think that Kerset, pops and Evenstar should vote bitmap right now.

Bit's claiming some bullshit power role; I'm willing to give the scum a night to call his bluff. So no, I won't be lynching him today, even though I think he's scum.
(Especially as I misread him badly in Heart of Light And Shadow.)

Speaking about this game wagons, my concern about them is that we are mostly, if not literally only, seeing wagons driven by Severa and sheeped by bitmap and salamence, whereas the rest of the town either joins in their wagon for little reason (once again this is mainly directed at Evenstar, but occasionally TL and Chemist too), or cannot cooperate - which is bad news by itself but it's also kinda more indicative of the others being actually TOWN rather than trying to look like it.

Based on this i'm much more inclined to believe in town!kerset, town!pops and town!suji. I also believe in town!Severa though - he's the engine behind the wagons but i'm much more worried about those who sheep him blindly than severa himself.

I think salamence is more towny than bitmap - he has moments of lucidity alternating dumb posts, and i'd like to see more of those moments from him.

Alchemist, i don't know - i dislike that vote on Kerset a lot but other than that he doesn't seem scummy in this game.

V&M are not playing, they're just taking consensus scumreads and inductively scumread them while not voting anyone. This slot is scummy.

Finally Gamma Emerald is also scummy for reasons i have already explained but i'd like to hear from him more when he gets back, i'm starting to have too many scumreads in this game.

I'm happy with my current vote on bitmap right now. My lynchpool for today is {Bitmap, Evenstar, Gamma, V&M, TL}.

I have concerns regarding Kerset's slot but I'm also concerned about just how fast that wagon materialized. Unfortunately, it's damn hard to interpret because of TL's "vote your highest townread" thing. I'm side-eyeing Chemist for their vote here, actually - they ought to know better than to not check the wagon depth in a game like this with multivoting mechanics.

I don’t agree with her reads but I don’t understand how you don’t see a townie thought process behind them.

@Fakran

I don’t know if you’re bad town or scum here but very few of your reads are making sense to me.

~Mars

[Venus and Mars]

VOTE: Farkran

I CHOOSE MY OWN DESTINY

VOTE: Fakran

I think this is a good vote. He sr Gamma and wrongly accuses him of being contradictory and his reasons for sr his PoE is making 0 sense to me. He wasn’t even remotely suspicious of me before I debunked his Gamma case and mentioned that self-meta post that he made in his newbie scumgame but not in his newbie towngame. His confidence on Kercet who has never had a scumgame is odd but his posting definitely reads as agenday to me. His Poe reads to me like he’s trying to line up mislynches. As for Pops, not opposed but I feel a lot better about this.

~M

[Venus and Mars]

It's sad that no one of you can read me at all. I'd have hoped after a few games i would have been more readable, but so far i'm getting the same movie every time.

(I'm also so confused, cause I'm pretty sure half the playerbase thinks I'm either a fucking idiot or boring, and I'm not sure why?)

That's because you are. I'm not pocketing you, i think you are playing town wrong.

He seems to confident in me being town dispite the "distancing." I think Farkran might "Know" Pops is town and is trying to get towncred.

Then why i'm wking Kerset WAY HARDER than i am wking pops if i am sure pops is town? Open your eyes please.

@V&M: do you know why your reads make sense to you? Because you're sheeping general consensus. Take a look at who you are scumreading to see that every single scumread of yours has been easily wagoned on. You're not so naive as to believe wagons against scum aren't meeting ANY resistance.

@Chemist: you do not seem blind, so i'm interested in your explanation as of why salamence conclusions make sense. Please scumcase me.

I didn’t even mention any sr before now. I became suspicious of you because you kept insisting that Gamma was contradicting himself and I couldn’t/still can’t see it and I don’t understand your PoE and why we’re even in it. That’s why I said it looked to me like you were lining up mislynches.

And there was a wagon on you which fell apart iirc, so how are you defining that as not meeting resistance?

[Venus and Mars]

Also i think that Kerset, pops and Evenstar should vote bitmap right now.

Bit's claiming some bullshit power role; I'm willing to give the scum a night to call his bluff. So no, I won't be lynching him today, even though I think he's scum.
(Especially as I misread him badly in Heart of Light And Shadow.)

Are you confident in scum!pops enough to let her flip before bitmap? Why?

VOTE: Farkran

I CHOOSE MY OWN DESTINY

VOTE: Fakran

I think this is a good vote. He sr Gamma and wrongly accuses him of being contradictory and his reasons for sr his PoE is making 0 sense to me. He wasn’t even remotely suspicious of me before I debunked his Gamma case and mentioned that self-meta post that he made in his newbie scumgame but not in his newbie towngame. His confidence on Kercet who has never had a scumgame is odd but his posting definitely reads as agenday to me. His Poe reads to me like he’s trying to line up mislynches. As for Pops, not opposed but I feel a lot better about this.

~M

Yeah, ok. Once your emotional-based tunnel fades, please reread your own posts and your own scumreads, then get back to me.

Are you town or scumreading us and Even? See this is another thing that’s pinging me. Why do you put slots in your PoE then talk to them like their town?

[Venus and Mars]

I’m also not liking you referring to my vote as an “emotion based tunnel”, when I have given specific reasons why I think you could be scum, so that reads like a discredit to me. Also, I was clearly trying to sort you, because your read on Gamma made absolutely no sense to me: Where are those contradictions that you kept accusing him of? I read and reread those posts you linked and didn’t see that at all, so you’re either not reading his posts correctly or outright misrepping them.

[Venus and Mars]

Still on p 23 but liking so far (in no particular order), Gamma, Even, Pops, maybe Bit? I think Severa’s reaction to people falling for his gambit looks townie.

~M

Still haven’t completely caught up, sorry but current reads (again in no particular order) are that Bit, Gamma, Sal, TL, Severa and Chemist are all town and I think any votes on those slots are bad.

I'm referring to these two posts mainly - see how you removed pops and evenstar from there while adding Salamence, Chemist, and even TL? That's because you've been reading other people lately claiming that pops is scum, evenstar is scum, and TL is too scummy to be scum and therefore town.

You're not using your own thoughts - that's what makes you scummy.

Also you're wrong on gamma - he has been contradictory in the exchange i had with him. Check again posts 696 and 699.

And now you’re misrepping me as well. Taking someone out of my early skim on reads isn’t remotely the same thing as sr them.

When did I ever claim Pops and Even were scum? This is an outright lie. I took Even out of my town pile and then re-added her. Prove this false.

As for Pops, all I said was I wasn’t opposed because I’m not currently tr him but if I was convinced on Pops scum, I’d be voting her not you.


Also you saying I’m not “using my own thoughts” , when I clearly am, is bs. Your preferred lynch noticed that I was in fact, doing quite the opposite of that.

This is why I sr you. You’re either bad town who is misreading and shading slots with reasons that don’t make any sense or you’re scum pushing an agenda and your unwarranted confidence in that, is what I find to be scummy.

[Venus and Mars]

Still on p 23 but liking so far (in no particular order), Gamma, Even, Pops, maybe Bit? I think Severa’s reaction to people falling for his gambit looks townie.

~M

Still haven’t completely caught up, sorry but current reads (again in no particular order) are that Bit, Gamma, Sal, TL, Severa and Chemist are all town and I think any votes on those slots are bad.

I'm referring to these two posts mainly - see how you removed pops and evenstar from there while adding Salamence, Chemist, and even TL? That's because you've been reading other people lately claiming that pops is scum, evenstar is scum, and TL is too scummy to be scum and therefore town.

You're not using your own thoughts - that's what makes you scummy.

Also you're wrong on gamma - he has been contradictory in the exchange i had with him. Check again posts 696 and 699.

Again, I still don’t see those posts Gamma made as contradictory and me reading them a thousand more times, isn’t going to change that. And you’re misrepping me here but the really scummy part, is you don’t even care.

This is why I feel really good about my vote because you’re clearly doing the exact thing to my posts as you did to Gamma’s. You’re not reading what actually is but instead forcing a very obviously false interpretation of them. And your refusal to even consider this, reads scummy to me.

[Venus and Mars]

I'm at 11/19 votes but I am pretty sure I am more at L-Severa

I am not going to really try to convince Severa I am not scum because old newbies + MG made that process seem futile and exhausting. It's nbd because Severa mostly does better than rand and even if this the LE lynch of this game as long as no one fakeclaims masons it will be o.k. As long as protectives is Severa
Then additionally I am not going to really try to convince people on the wagon I'm not scum because they're just sheeping Severa. So that's silly.
I will just list my reads, tomorrow at closer to literal L-1 I will claim, but tomorrow and this weekend I have stuffs so I want to post now, then I will play with you guys some other time.

Alchemist21: Alchemist has been very scummy and I don't know why Severa townreads him. Even though he is "scummy" as town he just manages to seem even scummier than that, even someone who posts with a scummy tone could at least not be on easy wagons because their mind is towny independent guesses even though they have scumshaped lips they were born with? If Severa is killed it seems dangerous to townlock alchemist. He could be town yes he has played this bad but it's not safety to look at universally scummy play and call it town because someone like didn't claim scum

Bitmap: Bitmap has felt really scummy this game, basically I have no reason not to push him besides he softed but I do think this is a game with OP magicks and runaan hurricanes and mercurial infinity edge and keeping strong role alive can be strong. I feel like he has used copying Severa in a defensive way the occludes his motives and he it's different from how he would sheep Severa if he was town. I don't think the fake desp is out of his scumrange because he had a neighborhood to feel comfortable from and play it like a game.

Chemist1422: Chemist was very towny in the first few pages but has not posted much in the last half of the game. I feel like you should really treat him like he got innocented by uncofnirmed sanity cop going through the rest of the game. I am eating some nuts. Chemist thought process is town if you reread his early post and he made post that increase his profile for no gain.

Evenstar: Evenstar displayed townie thought process in some of her early posts go backwards and time travel. She has maybe been less exciting in the recent. I also feel like I don't like the way she is on my wagon I think she wouldn't want to sheep Severa like other players and would see I am town from here. But unless it comes to PoE I would still think she is town from early good posts that seemed really town. She is much more carefree in this game than MG I am going to steal our mod's phrase and call her "carefree villager", in MG she was conscious. Wait she was town in MG. Ok still though she can't be too townie to be town? I think you should at least bring her towards LyLo.

Gamma Emerald: I still feel like Gamma Emerald is scummy. I think people are townreading him for pushing onto Severa when he would know that is hard as scum but it seemed to me like he was just trying to ~do stuff~ so it doesn't count. He hasn't posted in a while. But also the ways in which Severa told him he was being silly I felt like GE would know before being told.

Kerset: Kerset is very townie for how ke has reacted to other players even if he's not good at proactive. Many of ker posts are very brave and even if ke has never rolled scum before ker nervousness about team mafia shows ke would be less carefree here than ke has. I actually have changed my mind in liking this slot more than Evenstar, maybe more than Chemist but it is weird because Chemist is AFK.

Salamence20: Salamence has not been as fun as I hoped I would have hoped an unbanned user would be exciting. But he has been mostly townie boring. On the early pages his tone was town and the timing of when he stopped doing his own things and started sheeping Severa seemed more like townie exhaustion rather than Alchemist and Bitmap seem like they are ducking under it as a shield around their own thoughts. I really want to play with this player again in a game without Severa, although that doesn't mean I mind playing with Severa

Severa: I am "not townreading" Severa and it's possible that the way I should calibrate is that that means Severa is scum, sinc the two games where I felt that way he was scum, and in old newbies I townread him. In MG I scumread him but townread his partner but sometimes townread him and it's just like whatever I don't I don't want to think about hydras and feel like I shouldn't have too their not mafia sorry not sorry. Always remember this is a player that can convince people in LyLo that he somehow dodged all those NKs and is not scum but sometimes he is scum. But, anyways anytimes this is a special kind of player.

Sujimichi: Sujimichi's thoughts have seemed townie and he has posted a thing a townie would be thinking. There is not a lot of volume of them though. The things he does post seem easier to fake then Chemsit IMO. It look slike maybe he will be replaced? I would give his slot a small head start not a huge one. But the most important thing. Sujimichi is cute. No one should ever deny this or I will use my dead thread daykill.

TemporalLich: I feel like this players first ~8 post were extremely very extremely scummy and the next however many not so much. People are misrepping eachother calling him LHF over his recent posting being not so bad when his very early posting was so much "scum posts this and town does not post this". His later posts make you question a little bit whether he would be able to make them emotionally but with the way resignation can sometimes be freeing for scum I'm not sure that has a clearing effect.

Venus and Mars: I think the proportion of scumreads:townreads from this slot is very circumstantially suspect as Kerset hinted at at some point or maybe wasn't hinting but I am hinting right here right now right cheow. It seems like a consequence of noticing the trajectory of the town is mislynch trajectory so it's better to do townreads you can reneg on rather than scumreads that could jerk a spotlight that has been very flexible. And also I think ND usually finds something offtempo she would be upset about and I find it suprising/implausible she'd get the different read from me on how Gamma is playing. I would keep my eye here but Shiro is slowly posting more and more and she's easier to read than ND imo so there's that.

cool that is everyone i will finish my nuts then play some FE then sleeps
gn

Cleaning this up for everyone. Also so I can read it myself later.

Thanks for this. While I clearly disagree with Pops on much of this, it reads more believable to me than Fakran’s.

[Venus and Mars]

Pops may be town. It reads like he’s genuinely sorting as opposed to confibiasing.

~M

[Venus and Mars]

Also you saying I’m not “using my own thoughts” , when I clearly am, is bs.

Show me where you are using your own thoughts as opposed to move people up and down your internal readlist because so far i have only seen general consensus reads coming from you, which MIGHT be ok but i would expect at least some concern when your instinct leads you to vote already populated wagons rather than doubt the town-motivation of any of those wagons.

TL;DR please produce a detailed readlist with only your own thoughts.

pedit: claiming i am misrepping you when -worst case scenario- we're disagreeing about how we read gamma is now how town sorts me. Also claiming "i'm not reading" is more indicative of a disagreement rather than scummy behavior, which would validate your claim of me being bad town from your point of view, but in no way that should justify a solid scumread. This looks like a bad push, and i'd like to know where it comes from.

I'm not sold on you, because emotional tunnels usually come from town and there's a non-zero chance that you're omgussing me based on a different view of other people's playstyles, but i'd like to learn something about you first. I reiterate my request for a readlist.

Well sorry but at this point in the game, I’m not making one. When I compare your reads with Pops, his are very nuanced. They don’t read confibiasy. That’s the difference. Why do you persist on insisting my read on you is emotion based? It’s not. It’s based on your drawing conclusions of people’s posts, that don’t make logical sense to me.

Is it a playstyle thing that you your reads seem like you’re clearly misreading things? Why shouldn’t I sr you for that? Why aren’t you even considering that you’re misreading certain posts? Yes, you could definitely be bad town doing this but you’re not even seriously considering what I’m saying makes sense. Why aren’t you doing that?

[Venus and Mars]

Speaking about this game wagons, my concern about them is that we are mostly, if not literally only, seeing wagons driven by Severa and sheeped by bitmap and salamence, whereas the rest of the town either joins in their wagon for little reason (once again this is mainly directed at Evenstar, but occasionally TL and Chemist too)

No mention of Alchemist again...

Yeah, this is scum, then I'm speedwagoning Alch tomorrow.

Who knew breaking the chains of devotion would feel so good.

note that i also poed an entire majority of the game on d1 (the wagon on evenstar) as town based on my analysis of how the votes were and weren't going onto even.

Yeah, this is a large part of why I'm not pushing so hard against you here. You're arrogant as fuck, but your later play in HoLaS proved that you had the actual skill to back it up. (Even though I still don't like you.)

Also, I find Severa less annoying because I'm able to file the dickishness as "part of the gimmick". Which is amusing.

Honestly Evenstar is my strongest TR, not only because I'm a Masochist because shes such a breath of fresh air for this game.

do you know why your reads make sense to you? Because you're sheeping general consensus. Take a look at who you are scumreading to see that every single scumread of yours has been easily wagoned on. You're not so naive as to believe wagons against scum aren't meeting ANY resistance.

I dont see their vote on Pops.

TL;DR please produce a detailed readlist with only your own thoughts.

Gonna be hard for nancy to do that in a hydra.

But in all seriousness wtf does that even mean. Are you really trying to say Shiro Drew hasn't been playing? Because YOU HAVEN"T BROUGHT UP FUCKING ALCHEMIST, WHO ISN"T PLAYING.

Yeah I agree, Even seems really townie and as for Alchemist, I don’t really understand the tr. I haven’t been able to have a read on him at all but he does seem different here than in CoaLITion where he was way more engaging but I dunno?

It’s hard because I don’t detailed lists early in the game. I don’t make readslists when asked in general and I rarely make detailed ones ever. I make them, when it makes sense to do so.

[Venus and Mars]

Also you saying I’m not “using my own thoughts” , when I clearly am, is bs.

Show me where you are using your own thoughts as opposed to move people up and down your internal readlist because so far i have only seen general consensus reads coming from you, which MIGHT be ok but i would expect at least some concern when your instinct leads you to vote already populated wagons rather than doubt the town-motivation of any of those wagons.

TL;DR please produce a detailed readlist with only your own thoughts.

pedit: claiming i am misrepping you when -worst case scenario- we're disagreeing about how we read gamma is now how town sorts me. Also claiming "i'm not reading" is more indicative of a disagreement rather than scummy behavior, which would validate your claim of me being bad town from your point of view, but in no way that should justify a solid scumread. This looks like a bad push, and i'd like to know where it comes from.

I'm not sold on you, because emotional tunnels usually come from town and there's a non-zero chance that you're omgussing me based on a different view of other people's playstyles, but i'd like to learn something about you first. I reiterate my request for a readlist.

Well sorry but at this point in the game, I’m not making one. When I compare your reads with Pops, his are very nuanced. They don’t read confibiasy. That’s the difference. Why do you persist on insisting my read on you is emotion based? It’s not. It’s based on your drawing conclusions of people’s posts, that don’t make logical sense to me.

Is it a playstyle thing that you your reads seem like you’re clearly misreading things? Why shouldn’t I sr you for that? Why aren’t you even considering that you’re misreading certain posts? Yes, you could definitely be bad town doing this but you’re not even seriously considering what I’m saying makes sense. Why aren’t you doing that?

VOTE: v&m

And you’re voting us here, because why exactly?

[Venus and Mars]

Yeah, not moving my vote. No way should Fakran be voting me here, especially based on that post. He isn’t reading and that looks seriously scummy.

[Venus and Mars]

V&M is not D1 lynch. And honestly, I'm really warming up to their slot although they need more cute anime girls (Shiro I'm looking at you).

Shiro’s nursing a sick cat but I’ll relay your message.

[Venus and Mars]

1434 feels town that doesn't want to spend 30-40 pages arguing with an RC

alternative persona”.

Yeah, I think so too but the bolded cracks me up.

[Venus and Mars]

You're in charge of handling Severa when he comes charging in this thread all angry because we're not sheeping him btw.

I am? Did you miss the post about him wanting “to rip my head off” (in game)?

[Venus and Mars]

Yeah, not moving my vote. No way should Fakran be voting me here, especially based on that post. He isn’t reading and that looks seriously scummy.

I'm challenging you to produce content.

At this point you're null to me, leaning towards town for emotionally tunneling me by claiming i don't read, but i want to know who are your other scumreads - and more importantly, why.

Voting me is a really unpersuasive way to get me to do anything. And stop misrepping me. I keep giving you reasons which you keep dismissing as an “emotional tunnel”.

And I clearly am producing content, just content you obviously dislike.

[Venus and Mars]

You're in charge of handling Severa when he comes charging in this thread all angry because we're not sheeping him btw.

I am? Did you miss the post about him wanting “to rip my head off” (in game)?

Ok fine, we'll make Salamance do it then.

Also do you wanna see my RC impression?

Poor Salamance.

Sure.

[Venus and Mars]

Yeah, not moving my vote. No way should Fakran be voting me here, especially based on that post. He isn’t reading and that looks seriously scummy.

I'm challenging you to produce content.

At this point you're null to me, leaning towards town for emotionally tunneling me by claiming i don't read, but i want to know who are your other scumreads - and more importantly, why.

Voting me is a really unpersuasive way to get me to do anything. And stop misrepping me. I keep giving you reasons which you keep dismissing as an “emotional tunnel”.

And I clearly am producing content, just content you obviously dislike.

Rather disagree with/dismiss.

You accused me of sr Pops and Even, solely based on my removing them - rather making another townlist without including them, when I re-added Even and not including someone in my townlist /=my sr them. For you to make the statement that I was sr either of them as opposed to being unsure or nullreading is once again a clear misrep. So maybe that is a playstyle thing but It really bugs me how you’re not even acknowledging how scummy that looks.

[Venus and Mars]

Yeah, not moving my vote. No way should Fakran be voting me here, especially based on that post. He isn’t reading and that looks seriously scummy.

I'm challenging you to produce content.

At this point you're null to me, leaning towards town for emotionally tunneling me by claiming i don't read, but i want to know who are your other scumreads - and more importantly, why.

Voting me is a really unpersuasive way to get me to do anything. And stop misrepping me. I keep giving you reasons which you keep dismissing as an “emotional tunnel”.

And I clearly am producing content, just content you obviously dislike.

It was quite persuasive if you ask me, and yes you're producing content now, but still refraining from telling me who are your current scumreads besides me.

Yes, because I rely on flips for that.

I townblock in early game, definitely on D1. I challenge you to metacase me and refute this.

[Venus and Mars]

Current assocs:
~ = "Tied to" - Appear connected
/ = "Distant from" - Appear disconnected
# = "Entangled with" - Significant ambiguous interaction

Bitmap ~ Severa
Pops ~ Kerset
TL ~ Severa
TL ~ Gamma
TL ~ Farkran
Severa ~ Sujimichi

Alchemist / Kerset
Chemist / Kerset
Severa / Kerset
TL / Kerset
Salamence / Pops
Bitmap / Pops
Farkran / V&M
Salamence / TL

Alchemist # TL
Salamence # Severa
Severa # V&M
Severa # Pops
Farkran # Sujimichi
V&M # Pops
Sujimichi # TL

Isolated reads

- no associatives or claims, behaviour only, town or scum only, Final Destination
Town:
Kerset
Severa
Pops
V&M
Alchemist

Scum:
TL
Bitmap
Salamence
Chemist
Farkran
Sujimichi

Lynchability indexing:

Self-resolving:
Severa
Bitmap
V&M
Chemist

N1 informative:
Salamence
TL
Farkran

Must die pre-LyLo:
Severa
TL

Leftovers:
Gamma
Sujimichi
Pops
Kerset
Alchemist

I want to dunk one of these 5 people today. Kerset doesn't feel like the one. Pops feels a little better, but I wouldn't prefer their lynch. Alchemist & Gamma get no support. Let's try VOTE: Sujimichi.

blah blah billion previews ye w/e phone dying

Why do you want to lynch from your leftover category as opposed to your scum category? Also why is Salamence scum?

[Venus and Mars]

Farkran is scummy. He is doing a reliable job of mimicking his high level of analysis he has as town, but the analysis is seems low quality/wrong too often, in ways where it'd be okay if it happened once but over and over it seems like he's being forced to scumread town or townread scum or use the correct answer and work backwards.
Salamence pointed out Venus and Mars are sheeping less than Alchemist, but I would go way further and say nothing about V&M iso is particularly sheepy, V&M has one of the more independent isos to me. Accusing them of being sheepy for reaching the same

conclusions

of other players seems like something that would only occur to a Farkran that is frustrated by a correctly identified townblock or delighting in teasing a slot for making the same misread the rest of the game is.
Sorry he missed my late night readslist.

Pops is definitely town, not touching that wagon with a ten foot pole.

[Venus and Mars]

me, leaning towards town for emotionally tunneling me

Emotional tunnels are NAI for Nancy.

Except I wasn’t making any.

[Venus and Mars]

I wish Shiro was around because I think I could read Shiro better than I can read Nancy.

I’m more interested in hearing your read on Fakran and why you’re responding as if his claim of my making an emotional tunnel isn’t straight up bs.

[Venus and Mars]

Holy shit pops is scum.

Because he’s sr you?

[Venus and Mars]

Farkran is scummy. He is doing a reliable job of mimicking his high level of analysis he has as town, but the analysis is seems low quality/wrong too often, in ways where it'd be okay if it happened once but over and over it seems like he's being forced to scumread town or townread scum or use the correct answer and work backwards.
Salamence pointed out Venus and Mars are sheeping less than Alchemist, but I would go way further and say nothing about V&M iso is particularly sheepy, V&M has one of the more independent isos to me. Accusing them of being sheepy for reaching the same

conclusions

of other players seems like something that would only occur to a Farkran that is frustrated by a correctly identified townblock or delighting in teasing a slot for making the same misread the rest of the game is.
Sorry he missed my late night readslist.

Pops is definitely town, not touching that wagon with a ten foot pole.

Can you explain Town Pops a bit more?

Well Fakran has been peddling a lot of bs misinterpretations of what people are actually posting and I agree with this assessment.

But that wall that Salamence was kind enough to edit so it was readable, was plenty nuanced and genuinely sorting slots.

Extremely nuanced ISOs tend to come from town, because they’re not easy for scum to fake.

[Venus and Mars]

me, leaning towards town for emotionally tunneling me

Emotional tunnels are NAI for Nancy.

Emotional tunnels are really hard to fake as scum. How can you be sure of this?

For the gazillionth time, I didn’t make a freaking emotional tunnel. I’m really getting annoyed with this continual misrepping.

[Venus and Mars]

I wish Shiro was around because I think I could read Shiro better than I can read Nancy.

I’m more interested in hearing your read on Fakran and why you’re responding as if his claim of my making an emotional tunnel isn’t straight up bs.

Hes waiting for severa to show up then vote whichever is more opportunistic

P-Edit: Every post Farkran makes steels my read on him

I really didn’t like Alchemist completely ignoring Fakran and suspiciously switching it to my slot. Not only is Fakran, persisting in calling my logic-based read an “emotional tunnel”, a blatant misrep but Alchemist acting like he’s totally buying into that, pings me. If Fakran flips scum, Alchemist has some serious buddy equity, I think.

[Venus and Mars]

Farkran went from Bitmap to Shiro Drew to Bitmap and now Pops under pressure.

He dies today.

Yeah, it definitely looks like he’s flailing. And considering Pops is still the leading wagon, it’s looks more like self-pres than a genuine read.

[Venus and Mars]

@v&m you're not even realizing you are now raising your townread certainty about people only because they're scumreading me.

How is that logic-based? You need to sleep this over. I'm not being hostile, i know what it means to be emotionally tunneled. I correctly townreaded emps in my first game (newbie 1951) out of that.

You look like the only reason you are voting Pops, is because she’s sr you and the fact the she just happens to be the lead wagon, also make your sudden vote on her look opportunistic as well.

His ISO contains extremely nuanced reads and instead of arguing with her why you think she’s wrong, you vote a leading wagon that’s at serious risk of flipping.

[Venus and Mars]

I wish Shiro was around because I think I could read Shiro better than I can read Nancy.

I’m more interested in hearing your read on Fakran and why you’re responding as if his claim of my making an emotional tunnel isn’t straight up bs.

I’ve been thinking Farkran is Town for a while. You might not have been tunneling but I do think Farkran perceived it that way and it was worth pointing out that it’s NAI anyway.

What annoys me is that I gave very clear logic-based reasons for why I’m sr him and he ignores all that and keep misrepping it as emotion-based when it’s not.

[Venus and Mars]

Farkran went from Bitmap to Shiro Drew to Bitmap and now Pops under pressure.

He dies today.

Yeah, it definitely looks like he’s flailing. And considering Pops is still the leading wagon, it’s looks more like self-pres than a genuine read.

You have it backwards...

Ok, listen, you all need to get some sleep over this and read again later. I'm going to stop arguing now because you aren't being lucid.

I have provided my reads based on this exchange. Pops need to flip, and if he flips scum we need to look at evenstar first.

I think I’m being extremely lucid and what if she flips town. which is what I expect to happen, because I think she’s a mislynch. How are Pops and Even linked?

[Venus and Mars]

@v&m you're not even realizing you are now raising your townread certainty about people only because they're scumreading me.

How is that logic-based? You need to sleep this over. I'm not being hostile, i know what it means to be emotionally tunneled. I correctly townreaded emps in my first game (newbie 1951) out of that.

You look like the only reason you are voting Pops, is because she’s sr you and the fact the she just happens to be the lead wagon, also make your sudden vote on her look opportunistic as well.

His ISO contains extremely nuanced reads and instead of arguing with her why you think she’s wrong, you vote a leading wagon that’s at serious risk of flipping.

No. I'm voting pops because she's better than not noticing me and you is TvT. If i wanted to omgus somewhere for no reason, it wouldn't be pops.

Why wouldn’t you, considering she’s the lead wagon? It’s safest for you to vote the lead wagon, for merely self-pres reasons. Disagree?

[Venus and Mars]

Farkran went from Bitmap to Shiro Drew to Bitmap and now Pops under pressure.

He dies today.

Yeah, it definitely looks like he’s flailing. And considering Pops is still the leading wagon, it’s looks more like self-pres than a genuine read.

You have it backwards...

Ok, listen, you all need to get some sleep over this and read again later. I'm going to stop arguing now because you aren't being lucid.

I have provided my reads based on this exchange. Pops need to flip, and if he flips scum we need to look at evenstar first.

Why does she need to flip?

[Venus and Mars]

@v&m you're not even realizing you are now raising your townread certainty about people only because they're scumreading me.

How is that logic-based? You need to sleep this over. I'm not being hostile, i know what it means to be emotionally tunneled. I correctly townreaded emps in my first game (newbie 1951) out of that.

You look like the only reason you are voting Pops, is because she’s sr you and the fact the she just happens to be the lead wagon, also make your sudden vote on her look opportunistic as well.

His ISO contains extremely nuanced reads and instead of arguing with her why you think she’s wrong, you vote a leading wagon that’s at serious risk of flipping.

No. I'm voting pops because

she's better than not noticing me and you is TvT.

If i wanted to omgus somewhere for no reason, it wouldn't be pops.

Why are you suddenly certain that V&M are town?

Salamence, i think he's town but refuses to even try not taking something at face value, he absolutely needs to be removed before lylo because scum are never going to kill him. Same about V&M.

HOW DARE YOU CALL ME A VI.

Also, lolno

P-Edit: Die

Even stranger, he’s calling for us (Salamence and me) to be lynched before LYLO. Why?

[Venus and Mars]

Farkran went from Bitmap to Shiro Drew to Bitmap and now Pops under pressure.

He dies today.

I give up on you. It's not like i didn't try.

After i flip, please remember that i told you.

@everyone else: i still think salamence is town

If you flip scum, this reads like a setup.

[Venus and Mars]

@mod, can we have an updated votecount please?

[Venus and Mars]

Im still confused as why you even voted severa in the first place.

I feel like she hasn't thought the game out enough for someone of her skill level.

Severa’s been sick, I know that definitely affected my play when I was extremely ill with the flu back in August.

[Venus and Mars]

doesn't help my read on you that your read on me is all over the effing place

Youre town.
Bitmap isnt scum.
Theres a decent chance TL is.

Pretty sure I havent scumread you this entire game and Im not sure Id be able to scumread you even if you WERE scum.

Coming back to deal with kerset later

Wasn’t that post directed to Even?

[Venus and Mars]

Hey Mars do you townread severa?

I think this looks like his towngame here.

[Venus and Mars]

Question: Is it really impossible to have more than one of the same kind of role here? In No Deadlines, there were sometimes 3 or 4 of the exact same role.

It’s my first time playing a TK game though.

[Venus and Mars]

I change this read because he a lot of things happened. Do you think that my new read on Sal is based on events that happened before my previous read? I won't force view on pops just of sake of giving it. They might be SvS but it's mostly based on Sal swing, rather then pops actions.

Sorry if i insist but does this mean that you're still scumreading severa, however salamence is now your highest sr? Why? Do you think his swing and his death tunnel on me are scum-motivated?

I gotta say, it’s kind of unusual to go this much out on a limb for the player that’s sr you.

[Venus and Mars]

I change this read because he a lot of things happened. Do you think that my new read on Sal is based on events that happened before my previous read? I won't force view on pops just of sake of giving it. They might be SvS but it's mostly based on Sal swing, rather then pops actions.

Sorry if i insist but does this mean that you're still scumreading severa, however salamence is now your highest sr? Why? Do you think his swing and his death tunnel on me are scum-motivated?

I gotta say, it’s kind of unusual to go this much out on a limb for the player that’s sr you.

Why are you so much more concerned with how people read Salamence then trying to convince him to unvote you?

[Venus and Mars]

@Salamence, what is your take on Fakran inexplicably white knighting you here?

[Venus and Mars]

I change this read because he a lot of things happened. Do you think that my new read on Sal is based on events that happened before my previous read? I won't force view on pops just of sake of giving it. They might be SvS but it's mostly based on Sal swing, rather then pops actions.

Sorry if i insist but does this mean that you're still scumreading severa, however salamence is now your highest sr? Why? Do you think his swing and his death tunnel on me are scum-motivated?

I gotta say, it’s kind of unusual to go this much out on a limb for the player that’s sr you.

What do you mean? I'm not scumreading salamence right now. I think he's null/town, and he's being superficial about his read on me ever since he profiled me as a newbie. Until he gets out of that mindset he's not going to read me as anything else than newb!scum who "cracked under pressure".

If anything, the weird part of his behavior is not his scumread on me but his absolute confidence in it - he basically stopped playing after he decided that i am his lynch for today and that's a dumb thing to do. Certainly antitown, but there's no trace of scum motivation in his push against me unless pops also flips scum - even then, salamence could just being bad at scumhunting. I think this is the most likely scenario.

Alchemist on the other hand did not make any sense with that read on the kerset/pops duo and i'm waiting for him to explain himself.

That isn’t what I asked. You seem to be working overtime to convince everyone he’s town, which wouldn’t normally be odd, except that he’s hard sr you. Do you disagree that this is highly unusual behaviour - to go out on this kind of a limb for someone pretty much hellbent on your lynch?

Normal behaviour here, would be trying to convince him to unvote you, which you’re clearly not doing.

[Venus and Mars]

Why are you so much more concerned with how people read Salamence then trying to convince him to unvote you?

Because i think me and salamence is TvT, just as me and you is TvT. Reading salamence as scummy because of his push is also superficial - i am not implying it is wrong, but that's not a scumtell coming from a player with salamence profile.

That’s not what I’m saying here. It’s not suspicious that you’re NOT sr him for his push, what is, is your going out on such a limb to defend him.

[Venus and Mars]

@Salamence, what is your take on Fakran inexplicably white knighting you here?

Careful about reporting what i said - i'm not wking him. I think he is probably town, but my degree of certainty is not high. I'm much more convinced that you are town, for instance.

But why aren’t you trying to convince him to unvote you? Fypov, if you’re town, shouldn’t you be doing that?

[Venus and Mars]

I said yesterday I feel as if Farkran KNOWS im town.

Thats really the only way I can see him hard tr’ing like he has

It looks like he’s trying to set you up as his buddy once he flips.

[Venus and Mars]

I change this read because he a lot of things happened. Do you think that my new read on Sal is based on events that happened before my previous read? I won't force view on pops just of sake of giving it. They might be SvS but it's mostly based on Sal swing, rather then pops actions.

Sorry if i insist but does this mean that you're still scumreading severa, however salamence is now your highest sr? Why? Do you think his swing and his death tunnel on me are scum-motivated?

I gotta say, it’s kind of unusual to go this much out on a limb for the player that’s sr you.

What do you mean? I'm not scumreading salamence right now. I think he's null/town, and he's being superficial about his read on me ever since he profiled me as a newbie. Until he gets out of that mindset he's not going to read me as anything else than newb!scum who "cracked under pressure".

If anything, the weird part of his behavior is not his scumread on me but his absolute confidence in it - he basically stopped playing after he decided that i am his lynch for today and that's a dumb thing to do. Certainly antitown, but there's no trace of scum motivation in his push against me unless pops also flips scum - even then, salamence could just being bad at scumhunting. I think this is the most likely scenario.

Alchemist on the other hand did not make any sense with that read on the kerset/pops duo and i'm waiting for him to explain himself.

That isn’t what I asked. You seem to be working overtime to convince everyone he’s town, which wouldn’t normally be odd, except that he’s hard sr you. Do you disagree that this is highly unusual behaviour - to go out on this kind of a limb for someone pretty much hellbent on your lynch?

Normal behaviour here, would be trying to convince him to unvote you, which you’re clearly not doing.

I'm not trying to convince anyone he is town, given that no one except kerset is voting him right now. I provided my read on him, and i'm concerned about learning why people would disagree with me. I already told him that he is wrong on me and therefore he should unvote me, but since he is not willing to listen i just gave up on trying.

You don’t sound too upset about this?

[Venus and Mars]

@Salamence, what is your take on Fakran inexplicably white knighting you here?

Careful about reporting what i said - i'm not wking him. I think he is probably town, but my degree of certainty is not high. I'm much more convinced that you are town, for instance.

But why aren’t you trying to convince him to unvote you? Fypov, if you’re town, shouldn’t you be doing that?

I mean what do you think i have been doing yesterday when we were arguing about my wagon? Did i, or did i not tell both of you that you're wrong on me?

The way you (V&M) reacted was a huge towntell, whereas salamence has just been superficial about it, no display of hard emotions except a very bad analysis of my slot. However, this analysis is based on a faulty premise that i am newb!scum in his eyes, and that MIGHT justify his push on me, but i'm not sorting him today because of that.

Town can be bad. This is a fact. I wouldn't defend him if a wagon forms against him, but i'd probably not vote him either - this is assuming nothing changes from here to his eventual wagon.

I don’t generally go out on a limb for anyone wrongly hardscum reading me, unless I have a hard inno on them or something. Fmpov, if I think someone is wrongly pushing me, I may not outright sr them for it but hard defending them for it, wouldn’t be the first of my concerns, unless of course I was in no real danger of being wagoned, which you clearly are.

[Venus and Mars]

I said yesterday I feel as if Farkran KNOWS im town.

Thats really the only way I can see him hard tr’ing like he has

This kind of push usually comes from town, for instance. He is consistent about his push on me, and it matches his profile of superficiality that i've been deducing ever since the beginning of this game. I don't KNOW he is town, i just assume he is.

I also haven't been defending him from any attack - rather, i've been asking about the motives behind votes against him (only kerset so far), and it was not so much because the vote was set on salamence specifically but because kerset refused to take a stance on the severa vs pops situation, which is kinda bad coming from the town!kerset i know. I would have thought he'd either maintain his death tunnel on severa, or turn against pops.

Why would you think this? If Kerset is tr you, wouldn’t it then be logical for her to be suspicious of those on your wagon?

[Venus and Mars]

Yeah, salamence, i am scum and i omgus people for no reason.

I wonder why i didn't omgus you too, since you have voted me before pops did.

I'll try again: open your eyes, or you will feel bad after this game.

Pops was the lead wagon for a thousand, Alex?

[Venus and Mars]

Mars where are you about Fark rn? You seems to questions him more then deeply. Is it because you are still very uncertain about his slot or wish to show us something?

I’m finding it strange how he confiscums Pops yet insists on tr others on his wagon and now, he’s expressing bewilderment on you for logically being suspicious of those on his wagon, when you’re tr him - looks like.

You disagree with this?

[Venus and Mars]

Yeah, salamence, i am scum and i omgus people for no reason.

You did. Remember the Venus vote too?

I wonder why i didn't omgus you too, since you have voted me before pops did.

Because you think/know Im town and havent wavered from that read despite saying things like “needs to be removed.”

I'll try again: open your eyes, or you will feel bad after this game.

Kerset open your eyes. Hopefully saying that gets him to vote you.

I thought that initially but now it definitely doesn’t look like Fakran and Kerset are linked.

[Venus and Mars]

Yeah, salamence, i am scum and i omgus people for no reason.

I wonder why i didn't omgus you too, since you have voted me before pops did.

I'll try again: open your eyes, or you will feel bad after this game.

Pops was the lead wagon for a thousand, Alex?

Yeah, salamence, i am scum and i omgus people for no reason.

You did. Remember the Venus vote too?

I wonder why i didn't omgus you too, since you have voted me before pops did.

Because you think/know Im town and havent wavered from that read despite saying things like “needs to be removed.”

I'll try again: open your eyes, or you will feel bad after this game.

Kerset open your eyes. Hopefully saying that gets him to vote you.

So, uh, V&M are now saying that i voted pops but not salamence because pops was the lead wagon. I assume this means i have been selective about who i omgussed, to maximize my chances to deflect the wagon on me onto someone who was being generally scumread.

Salamence instead accuses me that i am a compulsive omgusser because i voted V&M after they voted me.

Lol. If you haven't realized yet, that's how superficial you are being with your read on me. You are contradicting yourselves even without my intervention.

I strongly suggest that you drop your tunnel and go reread our exchanges with a cold mind

When you’re being sr by more than one person, do you entirely disagree that it looks opportunistic to vote the lead wagon or do you maintain, you’d still 100% be voting Pops, even if she weren’t?

It’s not a “tunnel”, I’m honestly trying to understand your motivations here.

[Venus and Mars]

Mars where are you about Fark rn? You seems to questions him more then deeply. Is it because you are still very uncertain about his slot or wish to show us something?

I’m finding it strange how he confiscums Pops yet insists on tr others on his wagon and now, he’s expressing bewilderment on you for logically being suspicious of those on his wagon, when you’re tr him - looks like.

You disagree with this?

I just disagree with your methods. You won't get valuable explanation by digging in every sentence, at this point you are rather trying to discredit him.

I’m clearly not. I’m obviously not sure of my vote - which is on him - and trying to get clarification on it. I thought that should be overwhelmingly obvious.

[Venus and Mars]

Mars where are you about Fark rn? You seems to questions him more then deeply. Is it because you are still very uncertain about his slot or wish to show us something?

I’m finding it strange how he confiscums Pops yet insists on tr others on his wagon and now, he’s expressing bewilderment on you for logically being suspicious of those on his wagon, when you’re tr him - looks like.

You disagree with this?

I just disagree with your methods. You won't get valuable explanation by digging in every sentence, at this point you are rather trying to discredit him.

I’m clearly not. I’m obviously not sure of my vote - which is on him - and trying to get clarification on it. I thought that should be overwhelmingly obvious.

This is obviously not how I scumcase a slot, so how either you or Fakran can view this as any kind of a tunnel, really blows my mind. When I scumcase a slot, I find a bunch of their quotes, which appear scummy to me and use them to convince others to sheep me. I am clearly not doing this.

[Venus and Mars]

I want to sort him. I could just leave my vote on him and say nothing, couldn’t I? But I require answers which I’m not really getting for one reason or another.

[Venus and Mars]

I want to sort him. I could just leave my vote on him and say nothing, couldn’t I? But I require answers which I’m not really getting for one reason or another.

More accurately, ones that satisfy me.

[Venus and Mars]

Mars you are trying to get clarification of clarification of clarification of clarification of clarification of clarification.

His answers are not helping me read him and I’m finding that extremely frustrating because I don’t have the clear read I’d prefer.

[Venus and Mars]

I believe pops is town, I think shes demotivated from severa.

This interesting. Severa is hardpushing pops with a bg counterclaim. Do you believe severa is lying? Or the other bg is lying? Or that there can be two bgs?

Question: Is it really impossible to have more than one of the same kind of role here? In No Deadlines, there were sometimes 3 or 4 of the exact same role.

It’s my first time playing a TK game though.

[Venus and Mars]

I believe pops is town, I think shes demotivated from severa.

This interesting. Severa is hardpushing pops with a bg counterclaim. Do you believe severa is lying? Or the other bg is lying? Or that there can be two bgs?

Question: Is it really impossible to have more than one of the same kind of role here? In No Deadlines, there were sometimes 3 or 4 of the exact same role.

It’s my first time playing a TK game though.

Was that game a mini?

I don’t believe so but like I said there were 3 or 4 of the same thing. Under the Sea was a mini and there were 5 millers in that. And in Boundaries of Reality, also a mini, there were like 7 desperados in that.

[Venus and Mars]

#1813 Is it not sufficient for you?

I don’t recognize a single name on that list.

[Venus and Mars]

Question: Is it really impossible to have more than one of the same kind of role here? In No Deadlines, there were sometimes 3 or 4 of the exact same role.

It’s my first time playing a TK game though.

What role had so many duplicates? Because bg is a pretty strong role to have more than one of. Nothing like a miller, for instance. Also, that desperado thing seems it was built around that specific mechanic rather than having many of the same role by coincidence.[/quote]

There was also one with multiple gunsmiths. This is my first TK game, have they had more than one of the same kind of role in their previous games? Anyone know?

[Venus and Mars]

Despite TK saying “lolbalance” there still has to be a semblance of balance.

Unless scum are loaded I doubt theres duplicates. There could be another protective ability though.

TK is Alisae?



What is “loaded”?

[Venus and Mars]

If it’s actually true that there can only be one, then that would mean that the CC in Severa’s hood and Pops cannot both be telling the truth about their roles, correct?

Unless, there really are two of them.

Meaning scum have stupidly op abilities

“OP”?

[Venus and Mars]

Overpowered is the common meaning of that acronym.

Cool, that means I can and should do this:
VOTE: Severa

I assume this is for my waifus and I appreciate it
I'm Sayaka Miki, my night action is a bodyguard. At 100 mana my superdisc protects both my target and myself instead of being a bodyguard. I also have a memoria that says my actions can't be disrupted by roleblock, only if the person I'm targeting has an effect on themselves like ascetic.

By the way, pops specifically claimed that she is not just a bodyguard but a sort of "strongman" bodyguard, bypassing roleblocks except ascetic. I would think that, IF there are two bodyguards, the other one also has some specific shenanigans too. I don't want them outed, but this should be investigated.

Also, both pops' and Severa's claims about the bodyguards make sense flavor-wise (sayaka and sana are both protective-like girls). Because of that, i'm inclined to believe both claims have some at least some amount of truth behind them - there are like hundreds of magical girls and it'd require a lot of research and imagination to build a fitting lie tempestively, unless you prepared it beforehand. However, a scum bodyguard would be some enormous swing potential for the scumteam, whereas a mafia doctor is more likely, especially if a town vig exists.

Barring setup speculation though, we should also make a proper analysis of pops and severa in this game. I already made my own, i'd like to hear different POVs.

Okay thanks, that’s very helpful.

[Venus and Mars]

@Severa, other than the bg claim, with what Even is saying makes sense, why are you convinced on Pops scum?

[Venus and Mars]

Get in your hydra

Chill

[Venus and Mars]

Jesus Christ I've explained it several times

Explain it to me like I’m 5 then. I’m obviously trying to help but if you’re not interested, then fine.

[Venus and Mars]

Btw I need a waifu mechanically

What is a waifu?

Still not interested in playing a fake-guilty gamestate but this deserves a picture explanation

Wtf is that?

[Venus and Mars]

Is nobody going to explain to me what a freaking waifu is and how it relates to Severa’s role?

[Venus and Mars]

Chemist is secretly the fan favorite.

Who is the ingenue?

[Venus and Mars]

Took me a while to catch up on all these pages. Surprised nobody hammered yet when there’s a counterclaim.

VOTE: Pops

@Severa, other than the bg claim, with what Even is saying makes sense, why are you convinced on Pops scum?

I was considering it but I still didn’t understand the case.

[Venus and Mars]

Evenstar is the vig, shes hinted that shes shooting me or bitmap depending on the flip

I think you’re both town.

[Venus and Mars]

If TK put in 2 BGs, I blame Severa.

Well, I think that’s entirely possible, so that’s why I wanted more than that to hammer.

[Venus and Mars]

By the way on a red flip i'm looking at gamma before salamence. I also think at least 2 bussers (or third party) were on this.

On a green flip i'm looking at evenstar/alchemist/TL mostly.

I think you’re wrong on Gamma. I can read him and I believe he’s town here.

[Venus and Mars]

If TK put in 2 BGs, I blame Severa.

Well, I think that’s entirely possible, so that’s why I wanted more than that to hammer.

ok but one word

RC

Severa

Yes, I’m well aware.

[Venus and Mars]

If TK put in 2 BGs, I blame Severa.

Well, I think that’s entirely possible, so that’s why I wanted more than that to hammer.

ok but one word

RC

Severa

Especially since you’re only claiming 50% and not a full bg, so that makes it even more likely, imo.

[Venus and Mars]

FARKRAN IS LYING.

LIARS ARE ALWAYS SCUM UNLESS THEY ARE RAIDIANT COWBELLS.

FARKRAN IS CONFSCUM I GOT HER

I wonder if this is the one with a post restriction rather than TL. That would actually make sense and i'm dumb for not noticing this earlier

I dont have a post restriction. Im just making enough posts to cover the lack of posts from Shiro/Chemist/Gamma

Why do you need to make up for Shiro?

[Venus and Mars]

Actually I do have a post restriction.

I must be on top poster by the start of night or I become a Miller

That normally should be MY role.

[Venus and Mars]

MITAMA'S SPECIAL TRAINING

VOTECOUNT 1.6

popsofctown

(6P, 16V):Severa(3), Farkran(3), Sujimichi(3), TemporalLich(3), Bitmap(2), Evenstar(2)

Kerset

(1P, 3V,): Alchemist21(3)

Farkran

(4P, 13V): Gamma Emerald(4), Salamence20(4), Venus and Mars(2), popsofctown(3)

Salamence20

(1P, 3V): , Kerset(3)

Not Voting (1P, 2V)

: Chemist1422(2)

With a total of 37 votes, it's 19 to lynch.

Day 1 ends in (expired on 2019-12-07 23:00:00)

Lemme know if the votecount is wrong or something

Tbh I’m interested in the reasoning for this cos last I checked quite a few townread Pops. I was kinda unsure but w/e

I’m not aware of anything other than she claimed bg, which unless you have an open setup, is usually not a good reason to vote someone, unless they’re are other good reasons to do so.

Like in Forgotten Hourglass, me mislynched Math because we were sure he was lying based on the setup and Math did the same thing to Kokichi in DnD mafia.

[Venus and Mars]

Also Farkran is saying Shiro Drew is “reactionary and emotional” seems like a way to discredit them imo.

Don’t know context but knowing that hydra I agree with this

Except I haven’t been so far in THIS game.

[Venus and Mars]

Also Farkran is saying Shiro Drew is “reactionary and emotional” seems like a way to discredit them imo.

Don’t know context but knowing that hydra I agree with this

You and V&M seem to have a lot of experience together, if we're alive d2 i'm willing to talk about this

I rolled scum with him 3 times, one fairly recently. That’s why I’m so confident that this is town!Gamma. Also, negative/useless utility claims usually come from town. They did in 3 games I was in when that happened.

[Venus and Mars]

Rc stop being wrong about me 2 magical girl games in row.

Thanks and love ya.

Shiro is officially back btw and fir whoever cares my cat has fully recovered.


@Bit

I disagree, if scum thought she was vig and after losing 1 member, it isn't unlikely they would kill her to be safe. And honestly I can only see 1 girl capable of being 3p sk and I seriously doubt someone went out of their way to use the cross banner, and then mod went, yea I will make that sk.

~Venus

[Venus and Mars]

I am onboard with lynching Sala, been thinking he might svum since I caught up. It explains why eve would die as well if svum thought she was vigging him(especially after losing a member already)

@Bit
Which is why bit I am still bad flu as to why u think it is so impossible eve was scum kill.

~Venus

[Venus and Mars]

Btw,to everyone that talks about cc, There is no ccing in this game, roles and memorias were based on gatcha. It's very much not impossible that 2 people have the same memoria.

P. Edit

8 imagine it more of



Scum 1: Hey guys, we just lost pops, and there's 2 pretty much confirmed townies. One being RC and the other one being a BG who's likely to protect RC. Who should we kill?
Scum 2: Not worth risking failing on RC and we can't be sure bit is actually what he claims.
Scum 1:Then who? Eve has been hinting of being a big that wants to kills one of us.
Scum 2: We can kill them to prevent that from happening since we already lost a member.

[Venus and Mars]

THERES NO FUCKING REASON FOR ME TO FAKE STUNNED.

LIKE THERES EASIER WAYS TO CLAIM ROLEBLOCKED OR MAYBE JUST FIB AND SAY FARKRAN IS ASETIC

IM SO FUCKING CONFUSED AND I WANNA THUNDERDOME FARKRAN BECAUSE SHES LYING

Why would he make all this lie up (involving mod as well) just to get you lynched? Sorry but it makes even less sense.

~Venus

[Venus and Mars]

No shit maybe. For all they know you might have been a bulletproof trying to get shot.

Eve was hinting on killing them.

~Venus

[Venus and Mars]

THERES SIMPLER WAYS TO GET NO RESULT.

FARKRAN IS LYING. THERES NO REASON FOR ME TO FAKE A STATUS AILMENT WHEN I DONT KNOW WHAT SAID AILMENT DOES.

FARKRAN IS SETTING UP A MISLYNCH.

To what end? Getting lynched tommorow?

[Venus and Mars]

@nancy Drew

I would like to think you're better than to not have voted Pops there.

Do you think I'm wrong?

My quick pick for main faction scum is V&M + Kerset with serial killer somewhere in the slots that I'm clearing based on associatives

Hi RC, do you really think scum!me ever kills Even or anyone else before you? And I’m glad you switched to your main.

[Venus and Mars]

@nancy Drew

I would like to think you're better than to not have voted Pops there.

Do you think I'm wrong?

My quick pick for main faction scum is V&M + Kerset with serial killer somewhere in the slots that I'm clearing based on associatives

Hi RC, do you really think scum!me ever kills Even or anyone else before you? And I’m glad you switched to your main.

And if Pops was my buddy and it was inevitable he was going down. I would have been on that wagon for towncred.

[Venus and Mars]

I don’t even get how I’d be your #1 sr, unless of course you’re just reaction testing me? You’d better be. :/

[Venus and Mars]

They and Sala should be PLed for their defenses of pops

If both are town, 1t1s, 2s, doesn't matter we will restart aftee

Let me read V&M before we lynch them

I’m kind of annoyed that this is the second game where RC is wrongly reading me’. He did eventually correctly read me in Newsroom but he practically needed a building to fall on him first.

RC, you don’t make it to D2 here, if I’m scum here. How dense are you seriously?

[Venus and Mars]

They and Sala should be PLed for their defenses of pops

If both are town, 1t1s, 2s, doesn't matter we will restart aftee

Let me read V&M before we lynch them

I’m kind of annoyed that this is the second game where RC is wrongly reading me’. He did eventually correctly read me in Newsroom but he practically needed a building to fall on him first.

RC, you don’t make it to D2 here, if I’m scum here. How dense are you seriously?

I also think it’s extremely shitty of you to advocate pl me after the crap you pulled in MG and no, I’m still not over it, I was willing to let it go but not if you do it to me again and you can’t even blame it on Krazy this time, so I will 100% be taking it personally.

[Venus and Mars]

Hi Nancy, pls fix this game. RC is broken and Sala is throwing.

I was so upset at RC and he kept going on and on about how everyone was townier than me and fake mason claim etc. and I back off of it because I thought I shouldn’t really take it personally because Krazy did act scummy but this time, I won’t be so understanding and fuck you RC, if you think I’d ever fucking say that as scum!

[Venus and Mars]

Hi Nancy, pls fix this game. RC is broken and Sala is throwing.

Salamence is only throwing as town

I’l have to take a break and reread later because rn, I seriously want to strangle RC - in game - for doing this to me for the second time now, when he knows exactly how pissed I was at him last time.

[Venus and Mars]

Hi Nancy, pls fix this game. RC is broken and Sala is throwing.

I was so upset at RC and he kept going on and on about how everyone was townier than me and fake mason claim etc. and I back off of it because I thought I shouldn’t really take it personally because Krazy did act scummy but this time, I won’t be so understanding and fuck you RC, if you think I’d ever fucking say that as scum!

Every game, everyone is upset at RC. I feel like this is normal.

Also, what are your thoughts on who's probably scum with the pops red flip?

I think scum probably bussed. I didn’t jump on Pops because I didn’t think the bg claim was enough to hang her. I haven’t even fully read the setup yet, let understand our role pm. If Shiro ever wanted to out, I wouldn’t play this solo.

I think someone Even was likely sr not Gamma. I’m trusting my obvtown Gamma read.

[Venus and Mars]

Why is every game with RC filled to the brim with AtE?

Because he keeps advocating dumbass policy lynches for anyone who votes incorrectly, like Cephir and Goodies in MG, rather than actually read their fucking ISOs and critically try to read if the player who wasn’t God/psychic/voted wrong is actually demonstrating a townie thought process or not. We had to wasted two mislynches because RC won’t fucking read.

[Venus and Mars]

I think scum probably bussed

How many bussers

I don’t know, I haven’t even caught up yet. All I know is scum!me would have definitely made it a point to be on that wagon, so I’m logically assuming scum would think the same way.

[Venus and Mars]

See here is the thing

If scum bussed and town hard defended the literally cced scum

Then scum wins this game and I'm fine with it

I’m not fine with you driving a mislynch on me, when you’re not even bothering to read me. I didn’t think the cced thing was relevant or I definitely would have voted her.

RC, can you please fucking read my posts here and tell me if you honestly think my thought process here, reads to you like a scum one?

Do you think I’m playing here similar to MD or CoaLITion?

[Venus and Mars]

I think scum probably bussed

How many bussers

I don’t know, I haven’t even caught up yet. All I know is scum!me would have definitely made it a point to be on that wagon, so I’m logically assuming scum would think the same way.

RC said you like to buddy, not bus.

What is your point? I obviously didn’t do either.