Mini Normal 2115: Fin

[profii]

Hi

Hi

[profii]

Spoiler: Dead

Looker
EeveeLution Army
Wimpy
Ame
Luca Blight
Alchemist21
Chara
Macabre
insomnia
JTheophrastus Bartholomew
profii
AaronFrost
Egix96

game over guys

[profii]

VOTE: Exix96
I am not a fan of day 1.
I will be keeping up with the thread but don't expect any long detailed reads lists.

And we found our first scum

VOTE: JT Bart

[profii]

Nobody is a fan of day 1.

Yet we all have to do it

So I find it really frustrating in every other game I play when someone comes in and goes "Day one? Nope"

It's not fair on all the other players

[profii]

game over guys

Damn. It was fun though. Remember that huge fight between us? It was epic.

I wouldn't call it a huge fight but sorry you feel that way

[profii]

Rejoice my comrades! I have found the traitor in our midst! Permanent record!

VOTE: JTheophrastus Bartholomew

now I remember Macabre... I like this poster

[profii]

what about the sista's ?

[profii]

The question still doesn't help you figure him out though.

It tells me if he’s the type of player to respond poorly to pressure or not which is important to know if he is. His response tells me he’s not that type of player.

Have you played with wimpy before?

[profii]

The question still doesn't help you figure him out though.

It tells me if he’s the type of player to respond poorly to pressure or not which is important to know if he is. His response tells me he’s not that type of player.

Have you played with wimpy before?

No.

I get why insomnia is coming from but I guess its ok to ask the question you asked if you dont know someone

[profii]

The question still doesn't help you figure him out though.

It tells me if he’s the type of player to respond poorly to pressure or not which is important to know if he is. His response tells me he’s not that type of player.

Oh no I am

I'm not sure how he got that conclusion

[profii]

Aaron how do you typically feel about the RVS stage of the game?

[profii]

I don’t see the town motivation behind seeing whether someone reacts poorly to pressure. You just see that when it occurs.

You could be like 'ok I know Robbnnva is in the game, lets try not to start a 25 page death tunnel' and that would be sensible... just very precautious I guess.

[profii]

Town points for you noticing it too tho.

Maybe this is because I played in a game where Wimpy replaced out after a protracted argument so I have prior experience...

...But I feel like if you just read the thread it was obvious that Wimpy did not want to invite pressure on himself. I guess my experience of Wimpy made me think "he knows he is liable to arguing and its negative" rather than "he doenst want pressure because he is noob-scum who might slip, must scum read this!"

The point is, no matter which way you justify it, Alch did not come to the obvious conclusion of "wimpy would prefer less pressure" - the reason is irrelevant.

I guess you could kinda say if Alch declares Wimpy as able to deal with pressure, he might encourage another player to pressure Wimpy, which might have an overall negative impact on gamestate if it sets something off, which is pro scum...

but that is obviously massively convoluted and we have seen straight through it, so I can't see it as something someone would think of as optimal scum play.

So I'm not giving scum points out. I'm just confused about it.

But by the same token, I dont feel like you issuing me town points is really warranted because I feel it was obvious that Wimpy did not want pressure... are you trying to pocket me?

[profii]

. So how are the town points unwarranted?

I felt it was too obvious to warrant points. I might be biased

[profii]

What didn't you like about it?

It was short and lacked an RVS vote.

As for the Profii vote, that makes sense. Profii’s actually giving me weird vibes too because they’ll say something about either Insomnia or myself that looks like they’re trying to understand both of our viewpoints but then they seem to doubtcast their own conclusions and I can’t tell if they’re actually confused or trying to play both sides of the discussion without having to commit to a stance on either of us.

I get this feedback a lot - I take the devils advocate stance naturally which causes this I think

Once I have latched onto my reads I'll have a distinct direction

[profii]

I don’t blame Wimpy. You’re very difficult to understand.

Even now I still don’t know the answer to what I asked in 115 because instead of a simple yes or no you act like

I

confused

you

and then voted me for quoting the wrong post. Like what post did you expect me to quote?

I just realized sleepy boy meant insomnia not Wimpy. See these code names make everything confusing and I’m still not sure if Chimera referred to me or not.

The code names are the best part of playing with Macabre - I forgot about that <3

[profii]

Well then we lynch him

Nah he is quite astute if town

[profii]

Colonel - Alchemist
Chimera - who the fuck
Scarf Boy - wimpy
sleepy boy - insomnia

thank me later

Wimpy is the burger

[profii]

He wants wimpy to explain his scum read of alch

[profii]

VOTE: alchemist
Nothing better atm.

To be fair that isn't much of a reason

[profii]

. So how are the town points unwarranted?

I felt it was too obvious to warrant points. I might be biased

As I said, he wasn't awarding you town points for making the correct conclusion on Wimpy. He was awarding you town points for pointing out that Alchemist didn't make the right conclusion. How easy it was to make the conclusion on Wimpy doesn't play into it.

You've misinterpreted somni two times now and he responded to you both times as if you hadn't. This leads me to suspect that you two are sleeping together, as the crow puts it.

I disagree with the first paragraph. It seems the same thing to me

But I dont think you'll ever convince me and it seems like semantics so...

[profii]

It's fairly obvious from your #64 that you hadn't played with Wimpy, so this added no value and comes off to me as pseudoengagement

as much as I called it semantics, Luca linked this post and it seemed worthwhile to comment on this bit

I get where your thinking comes from here but I often ask people semi-obvious and very simple/plain questions to get them to commit to something

On this occasion it seemed like something unexplainable was happening- if alch had plainly said "yes I've played with wimpy" then the context of this whole thing is totally different

My question was a simple yes or no - you cant be vague, you can only ignore it... it's a bit of a work habit but I find it's a useful tool to get people to commit to a yes/no then hold them to it later

[profii]

I played as Masons with Profii before and he was so hungry to push the game forward and find scum, I'm not feeling that at all from him so far.

VOTE: Profii

I'm mostly caught up, but skimmed some parts. I'll start ISO'ing in more detail.

My thought in that game was I had a solid claim so I could push the game as hard as I like and if I got a lot of pressure I had a self claim.

My role in this game does not self resolve so I cant play like that

Ironically, I expected my Mason-style to attract more scum reads than normal and it seems the opposite is happening here

[profii]

Hmm
Time to go to work, let's see how Friday's journey goes this week

I'll look a bit more closely at this game later

[profii]

Could you explain how they are the same.

Wimpy: I like bacon
Alch: I don't think Wimpy likes bacon.
Profii: I don't know how Alch concluded that.

What Insomnia is saying: I like that profii pointed out that Alch is wrong.

What you're claiming he's saying: I like that profii concluded that Wimpy likes bacon.

These are completely different things. He town read you for calling out alch, not for reading wimpy correctly.

continuing the theme I see it as

Wimpy: I like bacon
Alch: I don't think Wimpy likes bacon.
Profii: I don't know how Alch concluded that.
Insomnia: I like that profii pointed out that Alch is wrong.
Profii: Alch clearly stated the wrong thing about the bacon issue, like, so blatantly clearly. If I hadn't called Alch out on it, surely someone else would have, surely I dont deserve town points on the merit of essentially reading the post first and replying to it - what must Alch be up to?


I am making the assumption that if I didnt call out Alch, someone else would have - I stand by that.

[profii]

I played as Masons with Profii before and he was so hungry to push the game forward and find scum, I'm not feeling that at all from him so far.

VOTE: Profii

I'm mostly caught up, but skimmed some parts. I'll start ISO'ing in more detail.

My thought in that game was I had a solid claim so I could push the game as hard as I like and if I got a lot of pressure I had a self claim.

My role in this game does not self resolve so I cant play like that

Ironically, I expected my Mason-style to attract more scum reads than normal and it seems the opposite is happening here

I can understand that, although my own approach is quite the opposite.

The big difference though is that in that game you were asking really probing questions with clear direction, whereas here you're just asking passive questions that don't really achieve anything, like

'Have you played with Wimpy

' and '

what do you think of RVS'

. With regard to the latter question you didn't follow-up on the answer by Frost, so again it seemed a bit 'for the sake of it'.

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

I didnt even see the reply from Aaron

[profii]

but looking back

He made a 'serious scum read' which seemed quite quick
So I asked, dont really know what I was expecting but like his answer was quite... generic?

If he said something like 'RVS is really important because X or Y happens and that means Z' - I'd take a serious scum read more seriously

But because he made a serious scum read and then was quite passive about his attitude to RVS, I dont really take his vote as seriously as he claims and I'll be looking at how he deals with that slot as we go forward.

[profii]

but looking back

He made a 'serious scum read' which seemed quite quick
So I asked, dont really know what I was expecting but like his answer was quite... generic?

If he said something like 'RVS is really important because X or Y happens and that means Z' - I'd take a serious scum read more seriously

But because he made a serious scum read and then was quite passive about his attitude to RVS, I dont really take his vote as seriously as he claims and I'll be looking at how he deals with that slot as we go forward.

I mean it was a pretty generic question so I'm not sure what you were expecting either?

I don't expect specific things to happen during RVS. Like I'm not looking for this 'one specific scenario' to play out or anything like that I mostly just observe and talk to other players and eventually that creates some discussion and if I see something that pings me one way or the other then I'll throw it out and see how people react to it.

Just figured I'd ask, nothing ventured nothing gained.

[profii]

Could you explain how they are the same.

Wimpy: I like bacon
Alch: I don't think Wimpy likes bacon.
Profii: I don't know how Alch concluded that.

What Insomnia is saying: I like that profii pointed out that Alch is wrong.

What you're claiming he's saying: I like that profii concluded that Wimpy likes bacon.

These are completely different things. He town read you for calling out alch, not for reading wimpy correctly.

continuing the theme I see it as

Wimpy: I like bacon
Alch: I don't think Wimpy likes bacon.
Profii: I don't know how Alch concluded that.
Insomnia: I like that profii pointed out that Alch is wrong.
Profii: Alch clearly stated the wrong thing about the bacon issue, like, so blatantly clearly. If I hadn't called Alch out on it, surely someone else would have, surely I dont deserve town points on the merit of essentially reading the post first and replying to it - what must Alch be up to?


I am making the assumption that if I didnt call out Alch, someone else would have - I stand by that.

The bacon analogy Ame and you are using is a poor representation of the conversation.

Wimpy: I want people to leave me alone.
Alch: Do you not want people to talk to you?
Wimpy: They can, I just don’t want them to endlessly harass me.
Alch: Ok that’s fine.

That’s what the conversation was like.

Well that answers the whole thing for me

[profii]

That makes sense, thank you for explaining. So do you think somni was trying to pocket you?

If anything, upon reflection, maybe insomnia was just going through the sorting process with me so I dont think so

[profii]

I'm not sure what to do at this point.
I am obviously a point of contention today.
Generally if people want to scum read me, I figure they are free to do so and I just leave them to it.

As I think I mentioned I naturally play the devils advocate and I am learning my participation on this site (in most games, and I obviously refer to completed games only, ofc) that this role often draws scum reads because it's seen as not getting involved in the conversation or not taking a stance or whatever.

I guess the next step for me is to see if I can pick out anyone manipulating that to perch themselves on the momentum against me (I'd call it a wagon but I've no idea what the VC is...)

I have a long car journey tomorrow, I'll review the thread and see if anyone looks especially weak.

Interesting.

[profii]

Profii, vote aaron

why

[profii]

I'm miles behind sorry - working long days away from home, missing out my on my usual lazy days of browsing in work

[profii]

Sorry mad week at work... heading home now courtesy of Mrs Profii so a few hours sat in traffic to catch up... bear with me

Sorry sorry sorry!!

[profii]

Do I need to read beyond the aaron scum slip ? Like I'm reading that as genuine slip and if I see "lolz jokes" I'm not going to believe that

Intent...

[profii]

I actually think Profii is scum here so i don’t wanna rush stuff.

I am going to need you to like clear something up for me

You said you didn't like that I said I was busy - kinda insulting that you think my scum game is poor that my tactic is site flake for a week ( i was working and sleeping and not a lot else )

Then you made a post along the lines of aaron lol posting suggested his scum partners are good

I'd say scum!site-flaking is poor so the 2 things seem I congruent

I just dont like your read on me, like it has obvious loopholes in it


(I've not read all the thread yet tbh so I may have missed something but I thought I'd start there)

[profii]

VOTE: ObviousScum

ql imo

Il drive this lynch forwards!
VOTE: obv scum

[profii]

Now that you are back, @profii - Do you think that Egix is town?

I like Ame, but I'm leery of universal town reads. I don't like that JTheo's avatar won't be in this thread anymore.

I'd say probably, there wasnt a resistance per se in terms of lynching aaron but I think a sense of confusion over Aaron's actions that suggested egix didn't know what was going on

I.e. once aaron slipped, scum knew it was a slip so they would probably bus rapidly so I think they way egix comes across a bit wondrous about the whole thing seemed natural and therefore town

[profii]

I actually think Profii is scum here so i don’t wanna rush stuff.

Well that seems like a fairly definitive scum read and given I've done the grand total of not a lot it doesn't really make a lot of sense

I dont really like any votes or reads without reasons so I just take exception to you

*shrug*

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[profii]

refer back to the post where you said you aren't pushing shit here because you can't claim PR when rushed because you aren't one

I dont remember even inferring this haha

[profii]

Here's a thought (going to check your iso but I'll ask anyway)
Insomnia, what are your thoughts on wimpy ?

[profii]

Points*

which bit are you interested in feedback on

[profii]

UNVOTE:
Need to reassess now

[profii]

how about don't use copypasta whatever that is anyway

why play mafia

I know this room ended up having like no sense of humor but most of the site isn't as square as you and luca lol

FWIW I considered making a similar post so I lold

[profii]

There was a whole discussion over wimpy on day 1, I'd suggest if you feel some friction just leave it be

[profii]

I have to assume that Detective Pikachu is ObviousScum's alt. Alts worry me. They surround me.

Here's a thought (going to check your iso but I'll ask anyway)
Insomnia, what are your thoughts on wimpy ?

Do you feel that either Luca Blight or Ame are town?

---

• I am in a hood with Egix and ObviousScum.
  
• Where are you guys getting this setup spec material to justify your cases with "balance"? I don't like having to relinquish my opinions to others because I don't mod games.

Spoiler:

(2) ObviousScum

- Luca Blight, Wimpy

(1) profii

- Looker

(1) Ame

- ObviousScum

Not Voting (6) — EeveeLution Army, Macabre, insomnia, Ame, profii, Egix96

With 10 alive, it takes 6 to lynch.

I feel like luca vanished so I'll iso ame and post in a min

I'm bad at setup spec... did someone actually claim nea here?

[profii]

Initially I kinda just disregarded Ame because I know I make jokey posts mostly for my own amusement - ame picked up on a couple plus my initial vote on jbart for not wanting to play, I figured this is just someone who doesn't know my style but let's note it in case there is a theme later...

Oh yeah then there was the whole misunderstanding about the awarding town points thing. I am reading in ISO so maybe not the best context but ame seems to have voted me, asked a few people questions about me, which is a tactic I use to try and make people come to the answer that so and so is scum by themselves which kinda keeps my fingerprints off the murder weapon you know?

Then this town point thing- maybe at this point in the game the initial few votes on me eased off, on the one hand ame could be realising the wagons wasnt going to reach climax (lolol) but on the other hand how often does wagon 1 of day 1 actually go to lynch so still not totally convinced this is nefarious... lets keep going though

218 seems quite towny- ame is picking up on an apparent mistake aaron made (haven't fully checked, let's assume it is right) if ame is scum, that would obviously be with Aaron so to highlight a mistake of Aaron's would put pressure on your pal day 1 - I wouldn't expect that, though I always say to myself I'd like super bus my buddy to get town points even if it caused rage in the scum PT but I have never done it or seen it happen so I'd be surprised there

As I scroll through I think I'm hitting the slip so it kinda avoids most stuff imo

On the whole I town read ame and I'd ask anyone scum reading Ame and ask why would scum apply the pressure to aaron in post 218 ? That pretty much seals the deal for me

[profii]

Obviously blessed with hindsight - but bearing in mind scum are blessed with the game solve which is essentially the same thing in this context

I felt like if ame/aaron is scum/scum then 218 was a harsh question because ame would know it was a proper error from Aaron so he would struggle to have an answer which is a bad position to be in - I'd be in the scum thread saying "less of that please" if I was aaron

So I think its ame!town

[profii]

I dunno maybe it's me

Ame pointed out Aaron claimed to have missed a post he quoted. If you put yourself in Aaron's shoes, he basically got caught making a minor slip, so if I was aaron and my team mate called that out... I'd feel unnecessarily flustered

[profii]

I don’t like role playing in my role playing.

I seriously don’t have time to remember nicknames when I can barely remember player names. Your other choices of words sometimes makes it hard to decipher. I asked you nicely and you refused. By doing this you make yourself unreadable to me. Players make themselves unreadable so when they roll scum people can’t tell. You could be town. You could be scum. I’ll never be able to figure out which based on reading posts that I can’t understand.

So the ball is in your court.

This is worrying because you want to lynch him because you can't decipher his alignment. It would be optimal to lynch someone because you had assesed their play and decided it was the most scummy at any given time.

Are you concerned Macabre will get all the way to LyLo without anyone investigating him, or, players who can understanding him helping you read him better?

Why the urgency to get rid of him now when you have said you cant even read him? Are there no better choices in your mind?

[profii]

if Ame is scum, he's in a powerscum mentality in the ballpark of like saudade or mariar, and both of them would definitely make a post like that toward a partner as s/s

so if you feel like you wouldn't make that play as scum, I believe you, but I don't really think it's outside the range of a power player

fair, i dont think i've ever played with Ame so it might come from me looking at the situation like "hmm how would i play that" rather than "hmm, i know ame does x y or z so i wouldn't expect that" or whatever.

[profii]

I've read what I've missed and these are my thoughts on the current state of affairs.
Frost and insomnia are both town.
Luca and Profii are both scum.
I felt that Luca's jump onto frost was opportunistic and a way to distract from the profii discussion which has now dissolved.
VOTE: luca
I'll read through Luca's iso now to see if it was just the way I was reading through the thread.

The timing of this makes it look really bad.

Spoiler: The VC looked like this

VC 1.5

Looker
EeveeLution Army
Wimpy
Ame
Luca Blight (2) - AaronFrost, Looker
Alchemist21 (1) - Egix96
Chara (1) - Macabre
Macabre (1) - Wimpy
insomnia
JTheophrastus Bartholomew (2) - profii, Chara
profii
AaronFrost (4) - insomnia, Ame, Luca Blight, Alchemist21
Egix96 (1) - JTheophrastus Bartholomew

Not Voting

(1) — EeveeLution Army

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.

Deadline

: (expired on 2020-01-24 16:00:00)[/color]

JT previously had me as Town and had said nothing of Frost. How did he suddenly reach this conclusion? It looks like a desperate attempt to save his scum buddy.

was that VC post aaron-slip? I think it would be weird that anyone wouldnt vote aaron after that post as it seemed really obvious to me that it was a slip but like i kinda wouldnt categorise it as 'not getting a on a scum wagon' because it was pretty obvious he was going to go either way so as scum i think you'd have to say to yourself there is no point resisting this.

[profii]

This hydra has a history of attempting to tie the Knight with the Ghost; at first, it could seem innocent, however by eliminating one criminal we are able to do some simple math and conclude that posts such as

In 169 you stated that you were caught up but skimmed and would begin isoing. Later in 175 you confirmed a town read on Aaron. (1) Presumably, you went through his iso at this point, yes?

Over two new pages were produced by the time of your next post, 234. Again, 175 indicates that you were caught up with the thread up to 175, or at least with Aaron up to that point. (2) What prodded you in 234/235 to go back and review pre-175? I presume you had not yet caught up with the 2 new pages because in 237 you stated that you were unaware of Alchemist's post on the previous page. (3) Is this presumption correct?

It's just curious to me that you read back through something you had already read back through and formed a solid opinion on, while there was new content available that you had not yet caught up on.

I skim through the thread and then read back in more detail later - that is my usual habit.

For example, the recent stuff about Frost above I haven’t yet given my attention to - I’ll read back though it when I have the time and energy to do so.

I’m having a change of heart on Frost, based on his reaction to Insomnia’s pressure which comes across as appeasement. I also agree that his Insomnia SR seemed a bit faked in that he doesn’t really do anything with it and just coasts on it for a while until he is pressured into jumping off. And thirdly I agree that it looks as though he had been positioning himself to vote Profii for some time before he did so.

VOTE: Frost

@Macabre / AaronFrost / profii / Alchemist21

:

• Do you find this interaction suspicious?
  
• Do you feel that either of these players is town?

UNVOTE:

As concerning! This crow does not believe this hydra can be partners in crime with the wolf or scarf boy, so any ill intent in this post is likely not to promote the scarf boy as a scholarly smarty-pants so my eyes must go back to the later pattern of setting up this Knight to fail. Detective!

I have this thought on my mind that Luca is driving hard towards me because we recently played a mason game together so he is scared that i will see exactly what he is claiming to see in me - a different style that would automatically mean a different alignment. Methink one doth one protest too much perhaps?

[profii]

quote it and remind me sorry

[profii]

I've read what I've missed and these are my thoughts on the current state of affairs.
Frost and insomnia are both town.
Luca and Profii are both scum.
I felt that Luca's jump onto frost was opportunistic and a way to distract from the profii discussion which has now dissolved.
VOTE: luca
I'll read through Luca's iso now to see if it was just the way I was reading through the thread.

The timing of this makes it look really bad.

Spoiler: The VC looked like this

VC 1.5

Looker
EeveeLution Army
Wimpy
Ame
Luca Blight (2) - AaronFrost, Looker
Alchemist21 (1) - Egix96
Chara (1) - Macabre
Macabre (1) - Wimpy
insomnia
JTheophrastus Bartholomew (2) - profii, Chara
profii
AaronFrost (4) - insomnia, Ame, Luca Blight, Alchemist21
Egix96 (1) - JTheophrastus Bartholomew

Not Voting

(1) — EeveeLution Army

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.

Deadline

: (expired on 2020-01-24 16:00:00)[/color]

JT previously had me as Town and had said nothing of Frost. How did he suddenly reach this conclusion? It looks like a desperate attempt to save his scum buddy.

was that VC post aaron-slip? I think it would be weird that anyone wouldnt vote aaron after that post as it seemed really obvious to me that it was a slip but like i kinda wouldnt categorise it as 'not getting a on a scum wagon' because it was pretty obvious he was going to go either way so as scum i think you'd have to say to yourself there is no point resisting this.

why would this be post slip if he stated Frost was town

i just checked and slip was 434 so yeah ok JT resisted the wagon and luca pointed it out. Noted.

[profii]

Points*

which bit are you interested in feedback on

The case here viewtopic.php?p=11531677#p11531677

There's three things I'd like your opinion on specifically:

1. The JTB/Egix/Aaron case I made here.
2. Egix having a solid town read on you yesterday. My view is that it was unwarranted and he was coming from a place of TMI.
3. His going after Al for apparently attempting to role fish Looker, but doing so in a way that actually brought attention to Looker. #249, 266, 343, 371

I look at this slightly differently to you
You said the players had a hard one for me but egix seemed to be saying people were not being reasonable by voting me so early... I took hard one to mean scum read to be confused

However about point 3 and the pr stuff - egix and looker are in the hood right? I've been bitten both ways by assuming scum would be in the hood and trusting scum in the hood when I'm town (cough gobble!)

So whilst a bit of me thinks be careful in thinking its likely that one scum is in the hood I think this PR spec stuff is probably just crumbing for later which strikes me as odd - i recently didn't crumb vig because the fact we have a kill means the claim resolves itself

I played very aggressively as a mason with luca because if we both claim it resolves itself

So why crumb in a hood? Not sure but it makes me suspicious of the intentions

[profii]

@profli - Macabre was also hiding his statue and intentionally lurking. Right after I call him out for it he posts within 20 minutes and his log in status still said Saturday. Imo town doesn’t do that.

It really is birdman and Bart now OS.

I’m pretty confident in that solve.

I'm not a fan on activity based alignment spec sorry

[profii]

I am not that confident on profii, but I am more confident in Looker being scum here.

Help me with looker - I have just been in a couple of games with him rolling scum so far I'm a bit biased by his activity levels but I'm trying to ignore that and say that's just what you get from him

[profii]

@profli - Macabre was also hiding his statue and intentionally lurking. Right after I call him out for it he posts within 20 minutes and his log in status still said Saturday. Imo town doesn’t do that.

It really is birdman and Bart now OS.

I’m pretty confident in that solve.

I'm not a fan on activity based alignment spec sorry

Can you even name a single protown thing he’s done? I doubt it

Do you think you can name more anti town things than I can name pro town?

[profii]

That wasnt my question

[profii]

Someone said they want my reaction to my wagon

Note my time zone is GMT so as is normal a bunch of pages appeared whilst I was asleep and I've not read them all but i caught that request and it seems quite easy to deal with logically

I was getting pushed quite a bit day 1 and I'm apparently getting pushed again so it's fair to say it's not sensible to keep me here to LyLo

Therefore write down who is / isn't pushing me for VCA reasons, lynch someone else who is scummy and leash the vig to me?

If everyone is happy to lynch me it means you can get 2 choices of kill for 1 scum choice in this phase

I tend to get heavily scum read or heavily town read and its clear what's happening in this game so I dont mind dying for the cause I am just aiming for damage control as best I see it right now

[profii]

I'm not very good at being like hey I'm town because

Either you town read me or you dont... in this game it seems like I should be ly ched early and town moves on. I'm not very useful here

[profii]

I'm not very good at being like hey I'm town because

Either you town read me or you dont... in this game it seems like I should be ly ched early and town moves on. I'm not very useful here

Any chance you’ll respond to the points made against you?

I'll read them tomorrow or Saturday I've got a busy day tomorrow and then I'm trading in my car in the evening

[profii]

When did I say I was vt

That keeps popping up

[profii]

I'm not a VT but I am a negative utility which is why I'm not bothered about being lynched

I'm a traffic analyst... I'm gated but I wont reveal it... I checked JT n1 because I wasnt here and I had to go last night and I remember him being like "not playing day 1" so figured that's as good as any

Then the hood claim came out and I was like "hmm maybe not scum then" coz I figure my role is going to flag up 5 or 6 players as "maybe guilties"

[profii]

Getting ready for work... probably do it at lunch... I referenced driving a bit... I particularly remember my JT vote saying driving in it but there was some more in day 1 I'll dig up later

[profii]

Sorry mad week at work... heading home now courtesy of Mrs Profii so a few hours sat in traffic to catch up... bear with me

Sorry sorry sorry!!

VOTE: ObviousScum

ql imo

Il drive this lynch forwards!
VOTE: obv scum

I shoe horned the word traffic in early on. I said I'll drive that lynch because my vote was based on my result. Obviously I came off that vote once the hood was claimed - I was guessing there would be masons in the game somewhere but hey ho.

I am sure I made another crumb but I cant find it via ctrl f...

[profii]

Profii, please hammer Looker lol

has Looker claimed?

[profii]

No but we have 4 PR claims so

and I think he's scum anyway

well consider this

intent

I think it's only fair to go through the process... I just played a game where everyone followed the claims and 1 of the claims survived way longer than they should of, just because people rolled with it when a couple of us were saying 'there is no way role A + role B would both be town' - yet no one dealt with it.

[profii]

@Obvs can you explain to me what gated means?

gated means you can't use your action every night...

so

a night 1 vig

an even night vig

a night 2 and 3 vig

would all be examples

[profii]

Profii just hammer

lunch time ... gonna go do some work... 3 hours!

[profii]

ahhhhhhhhhhh here it goes

VOTE: looker

[profii]

Have we not finished the day yet? What's going on

[profii]

When I heard the nea claim I was ok with that

Tracker is too much so options are

Looker flips town = scum more likely in hood, that mea claim is scum
Looker flips scum = found scum in hood, doubt there be 2, so the tracker is scum

Mechanical but this game should resolve easily now

I think gated nea + gated traffic an. Seems more realistic to me

[profii]

Profii result on mac
Ela claim + mac claim?

Gated

[profii]

Who was in the hood again?

I am just thinking about my role... it only gets a positive if someone can privately communicate, not be in a PT... so if we think this is a 3 scum game I cant pick them up BUT the only thing I'm useful for now is clearing the last 2 hood dudes... so we may want to consider that ? Just putting it out there

[profii]

Updated

Looker -- Hydra
EeveeLution Army -- Roman lover
Wimpy -- Burger
Ame -- Scarfboii
Luca Blight -- Knight
insomnia -- Sleepy boiii
OS -- Hedgehog/mysteriousone/seal
profii -- Chimera
Egix96 -- Wolf

Macabre -- this crow

Aaron -- Ghost
Alchemist -- Colonel
Chara -- One-Eye

Ego

[profii]

I don't really understand, profii. You will get "can communicate" for me and egix and "can not communicate" for anyone else, because me and egix are both still alive in the hood and no one else has living players in a PT. So you confirming that me and egix can communicate would not clear us alignment-wise if I understand the role correctly

Do you have strong feelings on ELA vs Mac?

If we are agreeing 3 scum and we've killed 2 I suppose it could be 2 scum in the hood which dilutes my role more in line with the presence of a tracker. I've never seen a SST hood so was assuming you 2 are town but I suppose it's kinda pointless as your neighbour claim self resolves anyway.

I'm basically useless from a PR perspective now *shrug*

[profii]

OS - why is big crumb 2 a crumb? I'm reading that as vig wanted to shoot you? You are hedgehog?

[profii]

Vig crumb not big

[profii]

Yeah so why was that a crumb... you're alive !

[profii]

Also, have you ever played with egix before? Specifically egix!scum

[profii]

Yeah so why was that a crumb... you're alive !

it wasn't a crumb, it was a soft. He was implying he could

I get distracted to much by the meme to know if macabre is the sort of player who softs to eat a NK or softs genuinely, I've only played with macabre once before

[profii]

Also, have you ever played with egix before? Specifically egix!scum

I rather famously have and I'm confident this is not scum egix outside of hood spec

Do you think egix would consecutively bus 2 of his pals ?

[profii]

Why isn't it just Wimpy?

Ame said tracker on Wimpy
Wimpy wasnt on aaron or looker wagons
Wimpy has a play style that enables him to kinda do as he wishes and get away with it, as opposed to trying to work with town

I guess the flipside of that is I haven't ISOd wimpy and this is pure mechanics/high level observation so perhaps I am falling for the trap scum have set as wimpys brash style could be considered lynchbait

I'll be ISOing here next (unless someone can succinctly summarise wimpy!town-case )

[profii]

not to riff on egix's scumgame, he is getting better

but this is still town egix

I did a quick flick through the iso and once I'd reminded myself of Aaron's incredible slip I still felt egix was rather confident on scum!looker which is always a red flag for me

[profii]

Cause it’s not wimpy. Never in this game should anyone scum read me.

I'm glad we've put that to bed

[profii]

And whoever suggested I scum killed the tracker without considering a frame job or as Bs said, he was the tracker is just terrible at this game.

I literally said I might be reading into the party scum have set

[profii]

Path not party urghhhh

[profii]

Dayvig ELA

rly tho profii can you contribute to ending the game now

Plenty of time to go through this, let me do my thing

[profii]

Haha that was a not maf copypasta? Lol

[profii]

Actually smart play cause now pl are odd so mylo wont occur

Why do you think the claimed nea has day vigged you?

[profii]

Also, have you ever played with egix before? Specifically egix!scum

I rather famously have and I'm confident this is not scum egix outside of hood spec

Do you think egix would consecutively bus 2 of his pals ?

That's exactly what I did in the game he's linked there
Tbf I only did it because I needed to

whats your criteria for needing to bus? Do you think scum #3 needed to bus Looker? (I'm kinda overlooking the aaron slip thing)

[profii]

I'll go

intent on ELA

I feel a bit pot kettle black because I've not been super involved in this game and I feel like that's the same reason I'm happy to intent so sorry for that but thems the breaks.

[profii]

When I joined this site it was because i played mafia on another non mafia forum and never rolled scum but always wanted to try it... I always figured by joining here I would be some ruthless scum monster who bussed in every game and duped everyone but in practice I've always just let my scum pals lead the way in terms of who we would try to mislynch / nk/ etc I dont think I've ever really been like "dude I'm going to bus you for town cred unlucky" even though I thought I would... it's just never worked out that way for me

Iunno

[profii]

I'm just going to hammer tomorrow if ELA has given up

[profii]

Most people post when I sleep so I am giving the benefit of the doubt that ELA might come back tonight... I'm nice like that :p

[profii]

Indeed

VOTE: ela

[profii]

I guess that NK was made to remove someone who would probably vote macabre before me

It's fairly clear this game is won via PoE so we should have a day as equally fast as the night

VOTE: macabre

[profii]

profii changing his claim

I've never changed my claim. I've never said I could or couldnt act on any given day. That's a bit naughty.

[profii]

UNVOTE:

I'm going to go through something over the weekend. Dont want a hammer just yet :p

[profii]

I cant make sense of that sentence

[profii]

Hmm

[profii]

can you just fullclaim now prof?

I was n1

[profii]

You want everyone to claim. You tried to get people to claim last day phase also. I don’t even understand what his role is nor do I really care.

I get your point, like totally


But I'd be amazed if we lose this so I dont care

[profii]

What's your lynch order after Mac?

See 1775

[profii]

zzz
OS still town imo
zzz

I had a moment of doubt but I think so too

VOTE: macabre

I mean if OS is pushing me and talking about setup spec a fair bit, when I flip he isn't going to reach lylo imo so that would be too much risk for last scum

I was going to iso him but that penny dropped and it made it obvious

[profii]

Hmm. I have a theory. Will post tomorrow, bed time here right now

[profii]

My theory has been slightly reinforced in light of the OS vote on Macabre

OS has been voting me on the premise that we cant have our roles together in this setup and as such has been voting me for most of this game day.

I considered the possibility that he could be scum but wrote it off in my head because let's see how that plays out...

6 players =
OS!scum
5!town

let's then say today's lynch is me and I flip town - we then have the night phase so OS would have to hope to hit the vig as they are going to be super dangerous in MyLo as they will basically become IC... let's for the sake of a theory say that happens - That leaves us in mylo

The setup being:
OS!Scum
3 towns - no one can claim to be conf town as far as a mechanical point of view.

even if OS convinces us to no kill in MyLo, it doesn't really help him as it's just 2 unconfirmed towns vs him - I dont think OS can put himself in a position where he can convince anyone he isn't scum

AFTER MY TOWN FLIP

(that bit is important!) seeing as he has been pushing me scum in this setup.


So I wrote off OS!scum as it just doesnt make sense as a long term plan for him to push me.

But the initial theory was because a few of his posts bugged me, I'll try and quote them all here, I'm going to copy and paste because I'm lazy and at work you can ctrl + f if you want to find them :p

1762:
That being said this is the point for re-evaluations if someone wants to argue for Luca or Wimpy, or if people strongly prefer Mac to Profii

That post includes a vote for me, but also a 'disclaimer' that comes over as 'I am positioning myself somewhere where I can move my vote, because I actually, ultimately, dont want to vote profii'


1776 + 1778 was some confusion over my gated claim, OS palmed it off as being dumb but I thought it was a naughty at the time, perhaps it was intentional now I look back.


I also dont like 1780: What's your lynch order after Mac? - this struck me as someone planning how the game is going to finish. With 1 scum left, he's asked that, but is willing to compromise hammer Mac, but has already suggested that's a town slot and the game will continue after his lynch.


Then that being said, in 1802 we have "Yeah doesn't really solve Mac vs Profii to me both look decent candidates" = I am not sure why Mac has gone from being a slot that would get lynched and not be victory, to being a decent candidate.

1837 bugged me: At the very least I think he decided he was faking the guilty going into start of d2 - I made crumbs in day 1 that I am a TA then voted my target in D2 post 1 so if I die at any point people could go 'oh he probably targetted that dude' then once the news of a hood came out, I was like 'ah ok my role is just diluted pap so probably not found scum' and removed my vote. I guess we all have different perspectives which makes the world what it is.

also 1848 really bugged me "I feel like profii just set himself up to 1v1 me in mylo tbh" = I already said after 1780 that I felt OS is planning for end game and this post kinda confirmed it in my mind.


Then finally a repeat vote on me followed by intent on Macabre - I feel like this whole day is OS realising the only way for him to win is to take out anyone but me, but then have a good excuse for going 'oh yeah it's actually profii' tomorrow

VOTE: ObviousScum, Obviously.

[profii]

Hmm. I have a theory. Will post tomorrow, bed time here right now

so this theory occurred before I said intent on mac but now the entire theory is based on the intent on mac, even though the intent is clearly expressed as 'profii is doing jack shit but no one is budging on mac'?

There was a substantial amount of data in the post pre-intent on mac, but this just reiterates some of my points that you make a fuss about a particular part of what I'm saying ignoring the actual context of whats going on

[profii]

1871 is like a really scummy case tho but I'd expect some push back from him today either. But his argument that 'oh positioning to flip next day to someone else' makes way more sense for him than me lol. I feel like it's one of those cases where the scum explains why they're scum by taking what they're doing and selling it as what someone else is doing lol

I'm saying that if you are scum the worst thing for you is to lynch me because you think the setup spec and my town flip will make people think you are scum.

you've made a post criticising my theory on the setup which i take on board because i often get it wrong but i had a gut feeling you didnt actually want to lynch me and you moved off by the time i posted which just proved my point.

it can't be what I'm doing as scum because if I'm scum I dont want you to flip town nea and have everyone go 'well profii must be a scum TA' - yet I will now be vigourously advocating for your lynch.

[profii]

1871 is like a really scummy case tho but I'd expect some push back from him today either. But his argument that 'oh positioning to flip next day to someone else' makes way more sense for him than me lol. I feel like it's one of those cases where the scum explains why they're scum by taking what they're doing and selling it as what someone else is doing lol

I'm saying that if you are scum the worst thing for you is to lynch me because you think the setup spec and my town flip will make people think you are scum.

you've made a post criticising my theory on the setup which i take on board because i often get it wrong but i had a gut feeling you didnt actually want to lynch me and you moved off by the time i posted which just proved my point.

it can't be what I'm doing as scum because if I'm scum I dont want you to flip town nea and have everyone go 'well profii must be a scum TA' - yet I will now be vigourously advocating for your lynch.

Yeah like this flips scum right?

is this where i post

i know u r but what am i?

[profii]

i have no idea what LNT is
I remember the SC game but I wanted boon to play more so ignore that one

[profii]

interesting that you consider me under pressure though

[profii]

oh.
i would have won that easily if that dude hadn't messed up his claim. The only reason i got caught red handed was he messed up his claim, then when we asked him to check, he re-iterated the wrong claim. Other than that, I was sailing to victory.

In this game I feel like you are trying to create pressure on me but as you are the final scum here it isn't really relevant.

I mean you are giving an example of a game where I was mechanically caught as scum and comparing it to this game where we are both pointing our fingers at each other and saying 'hedunit' which is totally different.

I dont know if you can think of any examples where i have been town, the inevitable lynch choice for the day and think about how i acted ? that wouldnt suit your case though so dont worry if you cant

[profii]

Well I'm not voting Macabre and if you arent voting macabre now, the n we need to deal with you vs me which is fine

I think you seem a bit mad because as I said it doesn't make sense for your long game to do this today but that suits me just fine

I guess its up to everyone else to pick a side

[profii]

It's not wolfy AT really, you just need to say that at this point

[profii]

Be good if I could spell too

[profii]

Like that profii is sitting on me but is putting 0 effort in trying to change your mind, wimpy, is why profii is scum

I feel like I have made the argument and been ignored

profii is just trying to like ride the storm out and hope he can pull something out of his ass in mylo

This is silly

I've made that wall post and I dont really want to continuously post

Lynch os
Lynch os
Lynch os

Following it


But if people go back and read the wall post they will see that a lot of your reasons to vote me are rubbish (eg casting shade over activity isn't really a reason, it's just convenient for you)

So I'm quite happy to be lynched as long as everyone will follow through with an OS lynch tomorrow

Go for it

[profii]

VOTE: Profii

VOTE: Mac

VOTE: Profii

Like in my mind I'm like "somni wanted Mac first, wimpy wants mac first, egix wants mac first" and if the fucking meming bird is scum I will feel like a dumbass in post but that case profii posted was so damn scummy I want him gone

VOTE: Mac

Alright, Luca or Profii can hammer if they want idgaf

All I'm going to point out is this person is desperate to get to lylo

That's ok because a Vig will become IC when they claim that kill, OS cant try to claim it because he is Nea

So it should be an easy mylo/ lylo


But dont let him bully you onto mac tomorrow and we win

Huzzah

[profii]

If the vig has a shot left, use it on OS please...

[profii]

I did not mention post 5 in scum PT but I did sigh out loud :p

[profii]

Nono, you're supposed to say Egix was a 1-shot vig

We don't need to talk about the second shot

srsly tho GG!

Lol no one ever need know

[profii]

I think my optimal strategy would probably have been lynching macabre when we had the chance and then spending the last day goi g post for post with OS and just saying "no u r" every time he said I was scum

But you live and learn

[profii]

^^ I didnt know that" I was going to shoot you if I got a Mac/OS lynch - I knew you were the Vig and didnt know if you had any more shots.

I am also really sad that my no shot to induce wifom plan did not come to fruition... you did well to keep your claim quiet and yourself alive to nearly LyLo, well done

[profii]

good game everyone, was fun while i was here. including the part where i gave insomnia an aneurysm. sorry. :>

and thanks for modding gobble.

and Frost, that was some bad luck. i hope you know i'll be referencing this game a while to prove that it's entirely possible to slip from a private thread into the main thread.

Well I'm gonna fake scum slip in my next game so I can reference that

So neer