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VOTE: TemporalLich
I like all the focus on discarded roles when he hasn't explained himself discarding Tracker.
I like all the focus on discarded roles when he hasn't explained himself discarding Tracker.
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Espresso what's the point of this line of questioning? Pretty easy to BS what card you used for alignment no?In post 50, EspressoPatronum wrote:@GlowingOvineChimes, @BBmolla, @Non Imh, @Yshtola RhulIn post 6, Micc wrote:The following cards have been discarded:
Player Name Discard TemporalLich Werewolf TrackerTitus Alien Bulletproof LoverTrueSoulEnergy Town Compulsive BodyguardEspressoPatronum Mafia NinjaGlowingOvineChimes Vanilla TownieBBmolla Tentacled TownieKerset Serial Killer Alien-ImmuneNon lmh Vanilla TownieSujimichi Mafia GoonUntrod Tripod Hirsute GoonYshtola Rhul Town CopSirCakez Werewolf CopCat Scratch Fever Alpha Werewolf
You all discarded town. What card did you use for alignment?
No need to go into roles yet.
Nb - thank you @TSE for claiming your alignment card already. I'll put you down as VT alignment.
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Oh shit I didn't read the setup closely enough. That will be great for scum hunting.In post 60, EspressoPatronum wrote:Per Micc's setup, there's a limited card pool. By asking your alignment cards, I'm asking you to commit to certain cards. This necessarily eliminates those cards from others' claims +/ will put people in counterclaim scenarios.In post 52, SirCakez wrote:Espresso what's the point of this line of questioning? Pretty easy to BS what card you used for alignment no?In post 50, EspressoPatronum wrote:@GlowingOvineChimes, @BBmolla, @Non Imh, @Yshtola RhulIn post 6, Micc wrote:The following cards have been discarded:
Player Name Discard TemporalLich Werewolf TrackerTitus Alien Bulletproof LoverTrueSoulEnergy Town Compulsive BodyguardEspressoPatronum Mafia NinjaGlowingOvineChimes Vanilla TownieBBmolla Tentacled TownieKerset Serial Killer Alien-ImmuneNon lmh Vanilla TownieSujimichi Mafia GoonUntrod Tripod Hirsute GoonYshtola Rhul Town CopSirCakez Werewolf CopCat Scratch Fever Alpha Werewolf
You all discarded town. What card did you use for alignment?
No need to go into roles yet.
Nb - thank you @TSE for claiming your alignment card already. I'll put you down as VT alignment.
Easy if you're telling the truth, but much more difficult if you're lying. If it's the latter, we may be able to catch people with it later on the game.
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Why is this still being ignored?In post 45, SirCakez wrote:VOTE: TemporalLich
I like all the focus on discarded roles when he hasn't explained himself discarding Tracker.
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Stop fishing.In post 78, GlowingOvineChimes wrote:Please elaborateIn post 75, SirCakez wrote:I turned down Cop for reasons.
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Also Titus why not just ask me why I discarded Cop rather than indirectly asking via UT
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I've played with Titus, UT and Milla but it's been a loooong while.
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Why would you not claim that in your first post?
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What's the wild card?
Knowing Molla he would just not care and claim whenever. So I could buy it.
Knowing Molla he would just not care and claim whenever. So I could buy it.
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B/c after the question I realized who I was asking lolIn post 123, TrueSoulEnergy wrote:In post 118, SirCakez wrote:What's the wild card?
Knowing Molla he would just not care and claim whenever. So I could buy it.In post 106, SirCakez wrote:Why would you not claim that in your first post?
Then why would you sayin the first place?this
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Why put to L-1 so early??
That claim was really unnecessary.
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We should really avoid L-1s in general this game because with so many likely scum quickhammers/lolhammers could easily happen
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VOTE: non imh
I actually hate that vote so much.
I actually hate that vote so much.
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Yeah so the discards aren't gonna tell us much more.
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Even though non is pretty scummy let's avoid L-1ing for the reasons I talked about early. Still have a lot of day left and probably a lot of people wi for overnight cuz of the setup.
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Non Imh why go straight to claim rather then try to defend yourself? Your ISO looks awful.
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How does that game affect your read in this one?
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Suji = scum trying to fire up a counterwagon?
I don't buy non imh's claim it came out in a sketchy as fuck manner.
I don't buy non imh's claim it came out in a sketchy as fuck manner.
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I have no read on too many players rn
Titus is not inspiring confidence
Titus is not inspiring confidence
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I'm shocked Titus was town btw after that hammer
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I want to murder someone who spent yesterday pushing Yshtola b/c that was a dead horse if I ever saw one
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Actually considering this is almost certainly multiball wagon analysis won't do much.
I have the same question as Suji.
I have the same question as Suji.
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TL could also just be gambitting scum betting that with so many town dead they can pull off an easy mislynch
Caution wouldn't hurt here
Caution wouldn't hurt here
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But look where that put usIn post 323, Titus wrote:Hammered to avoid nk and detest day 1.In post 270, SirCakez wrote:I'm shocked Titus was town btw after that hammer
Hope you feel better, anyways
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An actual watcher wouldn't have reacted like this moving votes aroundIn post 349, GlowingOvineChimes wrote:Why couldn't he be watcher like he claimed?In post 348, SirCakez wrote:TL is flailing scum
Stupid vote and scummy too. We have confirmed scum within TL and Pink Ball.
Super scummy postIn post 372, GlowingOvineChimes wrote:The best thing for us to do as town, especially in a role madness game like this is to keep an open mind and try and think of ALL of the possibilities
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Your result contradicts TL so it's you vs him???In post 396, Pink Ball wrote:It's between TL and CSF but whatever
If TL is town then both CSF and you are scum
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I don't want to hammer yet someone should unvote
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Cuz I want to discuss more but TL is really obvscumming ugh
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What a scummy postIn post 450, TemporalLich wrote:I would be surprised if PB wasn't scum this game
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Ovine's ISO looks really bad with TL scumflip
Want to go there next
Want to go there next
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Lmao I love when games solve themselves
We shouldn't roleclaim yet though? Not sure why Kerset did...
We shouldn't roleclaim yet though? Not sure why Kerset did...
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Ok I see what Pink Ball posted.
Still seems silly to out roles when we still have a good amount of players left.
Still seems silly to out roles when we still have a good amount of players left.
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Alignment: Town Conspiracy Theorist
Role: Mafia Seer
I think that's everyone?
N1: Checked TL and got negative
N2: Checked Espresso and got negative
Role: Mafia Seer
I think that's everyone?
N1: Checked TL and got negative
N2: Checked Espresso and got negative
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Because after the night results it was obviously multiball so my investigation didn't really clear him. I've moreso been hoping for guilties rather than clears with my actions.In post 553, Kerset wrote:I was wondering. Why did you start the day with TL vote? You just checked that he isn't werewolf at previous night.
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Erm just because Kerset is confirmed dayvig doesn't confirm alignment..
Hmm
I think there's also a decent chance of GOC just being a SK
Hmm
I think there's also a decent chance of GOC just being a SK
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No particular reason he's just not sticking out as a townread to me.In post 558, GlowingOvineChimes wrote:Why suji?In post 556, SirCakez wrote:I think we go after Suji or GOC next?
That could really be said about everyone who is left except Pink Ball though..
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Because I was thinking in the context of Kerset Espresso and Pink having claimed provable rolesIn post 566, Sujimichi wrote:Then why did you choose me and GlowingOvineChimes specifically if "that could really be said about everyone who is left except Pink Ball?"In post 560, SirCakez wrote:No particular reason he's just not sticking out as a townread to me.
That could really be said about everyone who is left except Pink Ball though..
But I've since reconsidered b/c proven roles doesn't mean town here
That's why I'm hoping for Titus input cuz I'm a bit lost on this one
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Why not just lynch? Seems kinda silly.In post 593, Pink Ball wrote:I'd say the best course of action is no lynching today and asking Ovine to shoot EP; if EP flips town, we lynch her. But I'm a little impatient and I'd rather lynch Ovine today 'cause I think she's the remaining scum. At least PT called CSF out so he got that going for him.
VOTE: GlowingOvineChimes
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I don't really like the nolynch. What are the odds Suji is lying about his role? Imo very little in this setup. We're just giving scum another chance to kill, in the case that it's not just Ovine which is possible.In post 612, Pink Ball wrote:So, in conclusion!!
We no lynch today; EP rolecops Suji, I roleblock Ovine; if Suji is actually a watcher, I'd say bot him and sircakez are conftown, along with Silver Bullet of course, and we lynch Ovine; if EP says Suji is lying, we lynch Suji.
That's what will give us the most information today I think.
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Ok this makes sense.In post 634, Sujimichi wrote:As a case in support of the no lynch, with the express caveat that mechanics is not my strong suit, and a separate express caveat that I have not played a game with more than one Mafia faction:In post 630, SirCakez wrote:I don't really like the nolynch. What are the odds Suji is lying about his role? Imo very little in this setup. We're just giving scum another chance to kill, in the case that it's not just Ovine which is possible.In post 612, Pink Ball wrote:So, in conclusion!!
We no lynch today; EP rolecops Suji, I roleblock Ovine; if Suji is actually a watcher, I'd say bot him and sircakez are conftown, along with Silver Bullet of course, and we lynch Ovine; if EP says Suji is lying, we lynch Suji.
That's what will give us the most information today I think.
We can make the assumption that, for a balanced game (which while not guarunteed is something that mod will at least strive for when selecting the setup [2]), it is likely there is:
- We have had two members of a Werewolves revealed.
- We have had one member of the Mafia revealed.
- We have had one member of a third party alignment revealed
- We are currently at an even number of players (odd including Titus, but she does not count as alive).
By no lynching today, in the worst-case scenario (given the number of kills last night) we are moving from an even number of players to an odd number of players if the Night kill is successful. If we are correct in GlowingOvineChimes being the last Mafia member, then we remain at an even number of players with a successful role proven and more evidence that she is the last Mafia member.
- One remaining Mafia member
- No remaining Werewolf members
- No remaining third parties
I do not think we necessarily have to no lynch, but if we do and are incorrect on GlowingOvineChimes, we move from evens to odds which does not reduce the number of lynches to successfully find the Mafia member.
The third kill N1 was just the claimed Vig no?
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Why are we assuming there's only one alien if there are aliens?? Could be a team..
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Ohhh gotchaIn post 671, Pink Ball wrote:Read my posts...In post 664, SirCakez wrote:Why are we assuming there's only one alien if there are aliens?? Could be a team..
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I'm personally ready to NL
2 aliens means there would be a chance of LyLo on D2 and Micc gets the most balanced setup
VOTE: no lynch
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Who should I check? Kerset perhaps?
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Hmmm
I got a not-WW on Suji but since last scum is likely maf doesn't matter much
I got a not-WW on Suji but since last scum is likely maf doesn't matter much
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I think Pink Ball is clear on the fact that he got TL, a Mafia, lynched and it's pretty safe to assume that the last scum is maf
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I suppose Espresso has to be considered
Role Cop is a decent role for scum..
Role Cop is a decent role for scum..
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Ok so who do you think scum is Kerset? You're not inspiring confidence.
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I just don't see the point of what you two are conflicted over, the definition of sheep
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Frankly Pink Ball this bit doesn't make sense. CSF was confirmed scum because of their scumslip. If Kerset hadn't shot them it would have looked extremely suspicious. It also makes sense for Kerset to do so as Alien or Mafia.In post 739, Pink Ball wrote:Ok if nobody's going to say it I'll have to do it.
Kerset is town.
No way Kerset shoots CSF as any alignment other than town. 7 players with one wolf and mafia already flipped, no way mafia!Kerset thinks shooting scum from another faction is good for his wincon since it would be 1v1v5 so it would be convenient for him to draw their shot for later use, lynch town, hope CSF shoots town and they shoot town too, turns the thing into a 1v1v2, dayvig CSF, gets credit for it and win in LyLo.
Yes, scum!Kerset would think in this scenario because the whole point of being scum is thinking in advance, and that's how you catch scum and how you recognize town, you see who's acting for the long run and who's not, 'cause scum has to survive, town doesn't have to. So that shot on CSF, even if it could come from scum!Kerset, came without complain, without a second thought. That's town.
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And Kerset's content today has just felt like flailing scum rather then genuine town gamesolving. I'm p much ready to lynch there.
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Terrible post and reasoningIn post 749, Kerset wrote:Its not like there is content about anyone else beside me and pink.In post 746, SirCakez wrote:And Kerset's content today has just felt like flailing scum rather then genuine town gamesolving. I'm p much ready to lynch there.
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I'm personally not tunneled on you I would consider Espresso or Suji but you're not even defending yourself so you're making it hard
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I'm basically ready to vote Kerset
Let's settle up night actions in case this doesn't end it
Let's settle up night actions in case this doesn't end it
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Yeah I do. I just don't think day 2 would have gone down like that if you were scum.
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honestly I'd rather lynch Kerset today just because their play today has been so blatantly scum
Suji hasn't been great but they haven't been as bad as Kerset
Suji hasn't been great but they haven't been as bad as Kerset
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In post 772, Kerset wrote:i just happen to be survivalistic, not scummy you bully ;_;
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This is a good point and it's scummy that Suji only said that after being prompted.In post 781, Pink Ball wrote:Saying you're fine being lynched today after I said you're being survivalistic is a little too late, bud.
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Pink Ball I'm really leaning more towards Kerset here even though Suji has said a few scummy things..
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Oh that's hammer
I'm pretty disappointed with this but maybe it's just over..
Let's see
I'm pretty disappointed with this but maybe it's just over..
Let's see
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I'm not gonna hammer this just yet this feels fishy
If EP was scum why wouldn't they just admit they were rbed?
If EP was scum why wouldn't they just admit they were rbed?
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But that would never work because you are alive to tell us who you blocked
EP can't just hide what you did
EP can't just hide what you did
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Kinda? I really don't like how they've come out today but before today I did.In post 835, Titus wrote:SirCakez, do you trust PB?
I am pretty clear lynching not!PB = PB's team wins.
Who claimed survivor???
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That's a super scummy post
Weren't you just saying EP was confscum?
Weren't you just saying EP was confscum?
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Oh in that case Kerset is like confirmed Alien
Lets just lynch him and be done with it
EP's response here feels town
Lets just lynch him and be done with it
EP's response here feels town
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That case being that he claimed Surv
There's already a dead Surv and no one waits until day five to claim that
There's already a dead Surv and no one waits until day five to claim that
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In post 105, BBmolla wrote:I used Survivor for alignmentIn post 50, EspressoPatronum wrote:@GlowingOvineChimes, @BBmolla, @Non Imh, @Yshtola RhulIn post 6, Micc wrote:The following cards have been discarded:
Player Name Discard TemporalLich Werewolf TrackerTitus Alien Bulletproof LoverTrueSoulEnergy Town Compulsive BodyguardEspressoPatronum Mafia NinjaGlowingOvineChimes Vanilla TownieBBmolla Tentacled TownieKerset Serial Killer Alien-ImmuneNon lmh Vanilla TownieSujimichi Mafia GoonUntrod Tripod Hirsute GoonYshtola Rhul Town CopSirCakez Werewolf CopCat Scratch Fever Alpha Werewolf
You all discarded town. What card did you use for alignment?
No need to go into roles yet.
Nb - thank you @TSE for claiming your alignment card already. I'll put you down as VT alignment.
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LOL true
I think the better case for Kerset scum is two Survivors doesn't make sense
I think the better case for Kerset scum is two Survivors doesn't make sense
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I want to consult Titus again before we lynch anyone
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If Kerset is the last scum then they would be playing like a Surv regardless
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tempted to just hammer Kerset and see what happens at this point
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VOTE: kerset
Alright let's just do it
If this somehow doesn't end it we will talk it though tomorrow I hope.
Alright let's just do it
If this somehow doesn't end it we will talk it though tomorrow I hope.
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Yes please. I don't have time to look at this right now but I intend to read thoroughly.
One thing that really confuses me is Ovine's death. Why would an alien have killed him when they need their one kill to win the game?
If there's not an Alien it points to EP scum.
One thing that really confuses me is Ovine's death. Why would an alien have killed him when they need their one kill to win the game?
If there's not an Alien it points to EP scum.
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The only other thing is maybe Ovine vigged themselves????
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well I remember having read that a legitimate Vig tactic when you're highly suspected is to shoot yourself so town doesn't waste a lynch on you
it's possible...
it's possible...
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Ovine was definitely on the chopping block soon because of SK suspicion
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ok so I'm like 99% sure it's just EP then
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VOTE: espresso
I think this is pretty much solved and we're just being too paranoid.
Fingers crossed!
I think this is pretty much solved and we're just being too paranoid.
Fingers crossed!
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WHAT IF PB WAS BUSSING SCUM THE WHOLE TIME???
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I DIDNT KNOW HOW TO WIN
I knew one of espresso and Kerset had to be scum so I knew I needed to lynch them and save my kill to win...BUT PB WAS RBER
Bah good game! Really interesting.
I knew one of espresso and Kerset had to be scum so I knew I needed to lynch them and save my kill to win...BUT PB WAS RBER
Bah good game! Really interesting.
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I think Alien has to be changed for this particular setup to be fair or no one will pick it. Honestly if I had known the full ramifications of picking it I would have just gone for WW. But I wanted to try something new.
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I thought Kerset was just the last scum so my plan was to then get PB mislynched somehow in the final three so I could kill espresso and win
But I was wrong q.q
But I was wrong q.q
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LOL SORRY PB
I was trying to figure out a way to win honestly...I was just stalling for time
At the end I gave up
I was trying to figure out a way to win honestly...I was just stalling for time
At the end I gave up
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I KNOWIn post 986, EspressoPatronum wrote:We would have killed each other at night if you voted PBIn post 979, SirCakez wrote:I thought Kerset was just the last scum so my plan was to then get PB mislynched somehow in the final three so I could kill espresso and win
But I was wrong q.q
I was also considering trying for a PB lynch yesterday but was too scared of coming across as scummy if I backtracked on him being town.
THAT WAS MY DILEMMA
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I was also paranoid that Espresso was legit town and PB was a bussing mafia roleblocker
in which case I could have won by just lynching PB
actually now that I think about it lynching PB was probably the better play....
oh well same result
in which case I could have won by just lynching PB
actually now that I think about it lynching PB was probably the better play....
oh well same result
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no kidding...In post 999, BBmolla wrote:YeahIn post 983, Kerset wrote:also survivor finding actual alien on n1!?
Would have been a very different game if I wasn’t vigged
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