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Hello all. I think I've just played with a few of you.
And 19

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Vote: bob341

For having numbers in his username as the only one other than me. There can only be one highlander!

VOTE: mavsfan as you were the 19th post after mine
and boy you are all self isolating well, 5 pages of posts in a night

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Don't like gerain's entrance, Cat is good, don't like the Bob wagon.

I placed a random vote, and said there was a ton of posts overnight, and I never like day 1 wagons either. they always suck

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Essentially, it's something scum would do, but that doesn't mean it's not something town would do

or maybe something that scum does to make themselves look like a townie looking like scum...

how deep does it go?
#paranoiaincreasing!

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But in the middle of page 3 (posts 53-60ish) this game takes a more serious tone I feel where it appears RVS ended and the game really began

Yeah, I found it weird too, how people in this game were going at each other hell for leather, I come back and place my random vote and go "woah, loads has happened!" And then I get read as fishy by like 3 people for saying that.

I have no real interest in the current pushing and shoving, I hope those who are expending this energy are having fun and getting something from it.

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are we still missing a Vig?

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I meant, are we missing Vig, not a vig...

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I'm a Miller

Not enough pizzazz. I'm not convinced.

Tap tap tapping tap
Tap tap tapping tap
Tappity tappoty tap tap
I'm a miller

Jazz hands!

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I will post more tomorrow, just working at home and kids off school.making it awkward

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So...daughter is currently in an ambulance so might not get that promised increase in activity today. Sorry

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She's back now. Thank god for the NHS, they truly are wonderful. Nothing virus related, just your normal every day seizure.

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In post 106, TheTrollie wrote:I don't love Para's vote hopping at all. But it feels like hyper/neurotic town more than scum maybe?I kinda love it, there's nothing reasonably solid enough to go off of that warrants keeping a vote stuck on one person.

I dislike vote hoping generally. creates too much noise and scum can hide in it.

about to start catching up, expect a ton of little posts rather than really long ones. sorry if people hate this

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I said she is clearly coming across as self concous scum with me saying that her responses are not towny.

no one can come across on day one as "clearly" anything.

anyone's opinions day one of what a correct reaction is for a townie to make are just...wrong. stop being so certain that you have spotted something so early in the game. it is just going to lead you down a rabbit hole...

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from town impressions to not town impressions

Paragon, CatScratch, Allomancer - lean town
iDany - ungngngng
BBmolla, Trollie - undecided
Skellen - lesser iffy
gerain, bob - more iffy

If i’m calling my shots right, the two lurkers (Expresso + Vig) are going to end up being both town. Just a theory of mine tho and obviously will be overrided once they actually start posting

your town list seems correlated with the number of posts. paragon is 2nd after you, allomancer is 3rd. im low as I haven't been posting, and kinda shocked you didn't call me a lurker.
the correlation means I am not trusting of your reads too much at this tsage of the game

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I think you're experiencing confirmation bias from this technique accidentally working in other games, bob

This ^^^

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I suppose I'll make a readslist.

For now: VOTE: Bob

Allomancer's changed my mind.

noting this post, wonder if it will be indicative of future voting from paragon.

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Make the kids do your work. Problem solved.

whilst I suspect they would like to help, as my work doesn't have a high Harry Potter content I think they will get bored quickly.

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I truly and honestly think this entire interaction is a dead end.

only when you can see later on people who were over thinking it to justify votes are the same people who place poorly thought out votes. but yep, I have basically ignored it all

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I have just read 5 pages...and ive got nothing. I see no reason to move my vote somewhere, I am happy to watch a few people argue a bit and just get to know people a little bit more.

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I suppose I'll make a readslist.

For now: VOTE: Bob

Allomancer's changed my mind.

noting this post, wonder if it will be indicative of future voting from paragon.

What do you mean by this?

I like to note when there are people who switch their votes because someone else has persuaded them to do so. I find it can help spot people placing votes that end up being scummy.

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- scum

Bambi Jay

Vigneshwar

- town

im curious abt how you developed a read on this pair

all i know about gerain is that he doesn't enjoy RVS and other day one antics ;(

This is true. Sorry. I wish I could post more but I have no idea what to talk about.
The people I played with in a recent game are all posting similar, no one being weird. And everytime I jump in the thread and read what is happening, disagreements just wash over me....

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And mav my gut reaction for now is that if para is twn then allom and cat are slightly like town. As early wagon if on town have tendancy to be all town most of the time. As scum if find tend to avoid them. Not strong read from that but a slight read

Trying to look at people's posts.
Espresso is very similar to my previous game with him, so meh

Bob, similar too. Feels pretty samey, got himself lynched that game day 1 because he kept piping up and generated a wagon on himself. Feels here like he isnt worried, either because they are scum or because they know the 1st big wagon hardly ever goes through.
Is putting out a lot of town reads though, which may be relevant later

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recent posts when he mentioned the whole “scum is likely on the wagon” thing from a couple of pages ago. Also, no mention of me? I remember that game also included me. You day 1 is pretty typical of you day 1 in that last game haha.

I was posting that whilst cooking tea and didnt get around to you. It wssnt intentional
I've not been harping on about lurkers this game...because I've been doing a very good job of doing that myself.

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gone over Mavsfan's posts, to see how they compare to Game 2121
Pretty much the same. Actualy butting heads with the same player in both - Bob - which is weird. But I cannot find anything about the style of posting that feels off.

as for voting for Dany - he goes through a couple of their earlier posts and finds them strange. looking at them now, they feel kinda in keeping with the rest of Dany's post. But I wouldn't have know that at the time.
there is little original thought coming from Dany though. 114 looks at some people's 1st posts, and after that ther eisa question for others about someone and then agreeing with someone else about their posting. nothing about MT since Monday, they've dropped that...

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Any big disagreement with my list or something anyone want to discuss

More Scummy

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well, this ^^^

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I explained in Post 353, it would help if you could explain why your voting Mav.

I hadn't got through the whole catchup to see your explanation.
I did a random vote (I always place a random vote based on numbers) and haven't as of yet found somewhere better to put it.

Geraint

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ok, gone through The Trollie posts.
there is a lot of flipping around, a lot of posts saying they would be happy to move their vote, some gentle encouragement for others to join their vote. all without huge amounts of evidence

this is the person I am finding the mos suspicious. so guess i'll VOTE: trollies

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That all said - I'm down to vote elsewhere today. Just not on Bob.

Or morning tweet or mavsfan.

I like iD's reads actually.

I think it's highly likely that there is at least one scum in {allo, skellen, BB}.

VOTE: BBMolla

I like iD's reads actually.

I think it's highly likely that there is at least one scum in {allo, skellen, BB}.

VOTE: BBMolla

I feel strongly that bob is town - he's incredibly tunnel-visioned but town.

I don't like that wagon.

Bambi join my Skellen vote. After re-reading the thread today I feel very good about it.

I feel strongly that bob is town - he's incredibly tunnel-visioned but town.

I don't like that wagon.

Bambi join my Skellen vote. After re-reading the thread today I feel very good about it.

with BB out of the hot seat (for now), I'm still mostly feeling allo or madoka

Maybe Bambi or Espressojet too? idk.

gone through selectively and tried to pick out the whole series of posts that just give me the impression they are happy to move votes around. Feels flippy to me, more so than anyone else I've gone through and looked at.
a vote on your feels much better than where I had it, still as my random vote. I didn't pluck my vote from nowhere.....

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I'm a mason, hard claiming, not a gambit.

Lolwut

Sounds fun. I believe it.

Geraintm is getting way more townpoints for putting his case mostly in 1 big thing. That's nice.

Dont get used to it...

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I'm much more likely

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To do it over numerous...

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Posts

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I want to pose a couple questions

gone through selectively and tried to pick out the whole series of posts that just give me the impression they are happy to move votes around. Feels flippy to me, more so than anyone else I've gone through and looked at.

a vote on your feels much better than where I had it, still as my random vote. I didn't pluck my vote from nowhere.....

Was this directed at Trollie's 384?

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yeah, tried to show when I thought he was flipping around

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What do you think it is, BB?

Meh. Unsure. Leaning town atm.

Real quick, someone said they were town reading CSF, why?

@BBmola: was it your decision to full claim at the time you did or did you discuss this?

My own, I didn't tell her. It's not an optimal decision but it saves us about four to five days of me defending myself.

VOTE: iDanyboy

Wagonomics guess.

nice

this post seems like it has interesting content

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Not a priority lynch =/= townread

Also, wanting to lynch people doesn't mean you are sure they are scum

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have tried to pay a little attention to Trollie since I voted for them.
they, as they announced in advance, went and voted for madoken

madoka - i like ur last post. thats the first post I've liked from ur slot the whole game actually.

What are your reads? Are you ready to place a vote?

Hi Titus!

later on this post, which feels like inching towards moving vote away.
There is less flipping their votes around sinc ei posted about them, but I don't really want to move my vote anywhere

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mm im thinking that germi is scum this game.

Ill have to look at his last game to see any real differences

Nah, I'm not. I just cant get into this game much at all. I pop in occasionally but I have no strong reads. Last game I was just the focus of way more attention day 1 because of reasons.

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Ok, a lot went on yesterday.
I've gone through all the votes since the idany wagon fell apart

CSF started a move to EJ, but then followed MT to Titus and BBmola joined. This threesome are the "Gotta Lynch" party
Titus and Bambi went to EJ

That didn't get very far, so THe Gotta Lynch party all switched to Titus, with Allomancer joining as a 4th. Titus claimed, and the EJ still voted.
Then BBmola and MT switched back to bob

EJ placed a random vote onto Malakitten in there too.

I think the only things going on right now are a second start of a wagon on Bob, the Titus wagon that will fall apart and apair of votes on EJ.

I don't like allomancer slot at all. a bunch of posts in their history like this

I'd be willing to lynch bob or mavsfan right now. I still need someone to convince me on trollie or espresso.

I really don't like Titus at this point, 638 feels like OMGUS, which is odd so close to deadline. MT has a good point about the Titus's associations being conspiracy-theory-esque.
VOTE: Titus

and slipped in as a 4th vote on a wagon. People asking to be persuaded is never a good look for me.
I think the "gotta lynch" group should be left alone. I don't have time now to do much more thinking as I realise time is now tight. going to VOTE: allomancer

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i want to make a post saying i acan see myself voting for EJ before the end of the day if needs be, but that is the sort of post i dislike others making

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not going to vote for bob

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Then vote Esspresso? Why are you waiting for the clock to tick down.

because in any other circumstances than this, with the clokc ticking down, I wouldn't vote for them

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But you said you could see yourself voting him before? Why are you not voting him now knowing that Allo will not be today’s lynch.

you've not played with me before. I really don't like moving my vote around, I certainly hate voting for people who I don't suspect are scum. why I said I was def not voting for bob

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VOTE: espresso jet

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That sucks, MT was my top townread.

Yesterday, she pushed bob and Titus. Both were also on the Espresso wagon. I don't think Titus's claim means anything; I think she's telling the truth, but since we know there are Masons, I think the claim could be town or scum.

VOTE: Titus

sorry, I am being dim. you think they are telling the truth, but the claim could be town or scum? I don't understant

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sorry for being really dim, this is the first game I've ever been in with a Private Thread Cop.

PT Cops are useful for finding groupings of players, but cannot say if they are scum or not - so in this game with masons it would identify if they were be in eithe rof these two groups but not alignment.

why would scum have this, unless there were multiple groupings of players not scum? I can understand scum making this claim once Mason is claimed, but I can't see why you would believe the claim but think they might be scum too? if you believe it, I don't see why they would be scum?

or please explain where my logic goes wrong

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VOTE: titus
Yeah, I'm going to go ahead and vote for you.

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Gera though is in the scum pile bc I didn’t like the end of day posting

what would you have me do, let the day end with my lynch? I said all along I dislike day 1s and I hated the position I was being put in.

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It looks bad on VC Poe in the end.

I have no idea what that means.

Ditto

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Ok, a lot went on yesterday.
I've gone through all the votes since the idany wagon fell apart

CSF started a move to EJ, but then followed MT to Titus and BBmola joined. This threesome are the "Gotta Lynch" party
Titus and Bambi went to EJ

That didn't get very far, so THe Gotta Lynch party all switched to Titus, with Allomancer joining as a 4th. Titus claimed, and the EJ still voted.
Then BBmola and MT switched back to bob

EJ placed a random vote onto Malakitten in there too.

I think the only things going on right now are a second start of a wagon on Bob, the Titus wagon that will fall apart and apair of votes on EJ.

I don't like allomancer slot at all. a bunch of posts in their history like this

I'd be willing to lynch bob or mavsfan right now. I still need someone to convince me on trollie or espresso.

I really don't like Titus at this point, 638 feels like OMGUS, which is odd so close to deadline. MT has a good point about the Titus's associations being conspiracy-theory-esque.
VOTE: Titus

and slipped in as a 4th vote on a wagon. People asking to be persuaded is never a good look for me.
I think the "gotta lynch" group should be left alone. I don't have time now to do much more thinking as I realise time is now tight. going to VOTE: allomancer

This post came when Bob was being fast wagoned after I claimed VT.

Allomancer had zero chance of being the lynch.

In order of confidence based on this

Geriatm
Bob
Allomancer's other scumreads

This reads like Geratim taking a shot for a mislynch on a threat against scum + saving Bob

I aint scum. I found yesterday terrible, I was borderling absent most of the day, but I tried to chip in with thoughts occasionally but no one was interacting with me. my last game would have been very similar, except I managed to get myself the centre of attention so I was being talked at loads.
my post 665 was me trying to put some effort into the game on what little I had to go on (actual votes, and not hunches) and coming to a conclusion about it all. I didn't care much if the person I thought was the best lynch was actually going to get lynched, I neeed to get my thoughts out for everyone to see. I don't to end up later in the game with nothing for anyone else to go off, I want to be helful.

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I think if he was scum though that's an easy push, lynch or no lynch. I don't get how scum would be so hesitant to vote someone as a deadline lynch.

Partners.

That's why I am revising my theory and suggesting Geriatm with Bob.

you think I would be so blatent to just say Day 1 "I aint voting bob"?

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@titus - whatever you think of my posts, they are no where near as dumb as a fake claim. why do people keep doing this in games i'm in?

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Fake claims are apart of the meta. If only scum can fakeclaim, they get a huge advantage.

When I get off work I think I'll find us a better target then Titus. Or, if we're so gung ho on her demise, at least find the next suspicious person.

I've just came off a game where someone claimed they were a cop.
With a guilty verdict
lets just say I really, really don't like fake claims. People should just be honest and clear, it makes it so much easier for town. without the fake claim, we wouldn't need to spend the rest of the game trying to work out if the redacted claim came from town or scum.

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Does anyone object to Titus getting lynched today? Genuinely curious.

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Why, just gives time for people to get bored.
Most of us arent moving our votes, what you hope to gain from letting things run on?

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I got nothing....

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yes, he neighborized MT, but his partner neighborized someone else.

then last night they neighborized 2 people.

from a non-neighbor-town perspective, unless BB and his partner nailed town 4-for-4, there is at least 1 scum in the PT who knows who the other mason is.

i am starting to think they should claim today

Ah, I was trying to work out why the neighbours should come forward, I couldn't see the point of it but this explains it to me. Thank you

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Gerain, are you still scumreading Trollie?

I see no reason to really change my opinion on them, they haven't done anything to put them in the town pile for me

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I have no opinion on the outing of the neighbourhood one way or the other, but wish people would agree on a point of view quicky because otherwise it is going to linger the rest of the day. may I suggest if within 24 hours it hasn't been outed, then people agree to drop the topic

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I think the masons and neighbours are safe

if mav, germ and bambi are not in it. As i reckon their prob the scum team

Not scum, just on holiday this week and Easter long weekend, so not at computer much so not typing often. Lazy not scum

Sorry

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trying to have look over some people, see what my thoughts on them are.

alloamncer - as useful as me. no real commitemnts anywhere, super under the radar.

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I love how you ignored my vote on you. However posting stuff like this. Also your opinion on the neighbor thing is kinda “meh”.

your vote on me was for "feelings", and I can't blame you at all.
and my opinion on the neighbourhood is just meh. I didn't at first get why it was important until someone light a lightbulb, and now I just want it over with because it is dragging on and on and I don't want it to be a distraction, that seems a sensible viewpoint to me.
I have so little to contribute today, I am really struggling, so you can be annoyed at me for that. but being useless isn't the same as being scum, just want to remind you of that

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idany - I have no idea. I can't get any read from them today. I had no problem with the hammer btw, I was more than happy or the day to have ended. no scum read here

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bambi - they were miffed yesterday ended quickly...but so what.
other than that, I again have no strong scum read on them. there isn't much going on here, no votes or anything like that. today is just a huge blank.

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I think the masons and neighbours are safe

if mav, germ and bambi are not in it. As i reckon their prob the scum team

bob - well, more content than from anyone else. will gie that a town plus score
this post is bad though. no way anyone should be confident on their scum reads like this, picking out 3 scum.

is picking on the allomancer/me comparison, wondering why allomancer isn't being pushed as much. now, I know my slot and so I am wondering why someone is trying to shift focus away from a town slot to another. esp when they think I am scum and allomancer is town.
this actually makes me sit up and take notice, it just feels weird and wrong. I am not going to say def scum, but spidey senses are tingling, and it is more than I have got from anyone elseVOTE: bob

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I was waiting for titus replys. Danny you did hammer far to hasty. Though my gut is saying in that situation any scum not already on the wagon would simply let a townie hammer.

Couldn't you just have unvoted in that case?

CSF - I like tha above post
but got nothing else from them today. but if I am leaning bob as scum, that implies CSF is town

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I get worried anytime a wagon I am part of starts to get some momentum. I am so bad lately spotting scum that I am now just assuming mafia are just joining me
But I havent got anywhere better to place a vote

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I was waiting for titus replys. Danny you did hammer far to hasty. Though my gut is saying in that situation any scum not already on the wagon would simply let a townie hammer.

Couldn't you just have unvoted in that case?

CSF - I like tha above post
but got nothing else from them today. but if I am leaning bob as scum, that implies CSF is town

That is stupid reason for scum reading someone germa.

Shoudl of i unvoted maybe but as town you dont think of these things. You dont think when another towny migth act bad. Should i have unvoted Judge before he hammered him self maybe. Shoudl i have unvoted before slaxx hammered himself maybe. Should i of unvoted and not risk a townie lol hammering maybe.

But i like to see how players react to beign at l-1 and how players react to them being there. To find those lickign their chops at the lynch that there not on. See who is desperately trying to get another lynch or atleast more info from it. See who has become resigned.

Scum me would have no incentive to even be involved in the titus lynch. If this game i had been scum rather than town this game I would of passionately defended titus to get you all to lynch him.

I didn't vote for you for this, I voted you for other reasons. This was actually from my next player read through, and I hadn't come across it before voting for you.

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mixture of my townread's scumreads and my own scumreads

I dont understand this

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if you are on the bob wagon you are either
(a) someone i think is scum or
(b) someone I don't necessarily think is scum but who someone I think is town thinks is scum.

I'm really down for a bambi lynch today - i was down with that d1 too.

Allo/Id what is the mavs case?

This is some of the worst logic I've seen in a game,like forever.
It is pretty much impossible through the actions of scum not to find everyone on a list of someone's scum reads. Ignore thebscum reads of others and go with your own.

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Cant today dont have time to go through, but I am wanting to go back over trellises posts and the wagons on bob and see what is uo

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looking at bob wagons, I believe 8 different people have voted for them at some point in the game

Day 1 it was
Mavs
CSF
paragon - became titus
MT
Allomancer
BBMole

Day 3

Mavs
me
Bambi Jay

of these, Paragon/titus, morning tweet and BBMola are all dead

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that post was just about who has been voting for you, it was purely a factual exercise, there is nothing in comenting on people at all. I am not finished, trying to go through trollies right now

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just rereading trollies posts

I have no idea what they are on about

I wrote this ages ago

ok, gone through The Trollie posts.
there is a lot of flipping around, a lot of posts saying they would be happy to move their vote, some gentle encouragement for others to join their vote. all without huge amounts of evidence

this is the person I am finding the mos suspicious. so guess i'll VOTE: trollies

I am going to pick out things they post and just comment on them

A flash wagon on me is always a bad choice. Leave me to day 4 and i almost always solve minis.

P.s. some times on the night i die

Waiting for a vc but down for this

Second this.

But also if titus is town mala may be scum

Wait…trollies did turn up Town. If I was looking at trollies in a bad light this could look like scum setting up a 2nd lynch

Why might u be scum? Bc ive scum read ur slot the whole game and think u jumped on the titus shit slightly too aggressively for someone who was townreading titus and have a rapport with her

But dont worry mala - i think titus is scum so ur fine.

This was posted whilst they were not voting for Titus by the way

Yeah ok BB is right.

Intent to hammer - I'm obv not waiting on a claim but I'll let some ppl who havent had a chance to weigh in on this speak before i hammer.

Intent to hammer titus here

Mala - I agree with you to an extent. like - it was a horrible claim as town or scum and I just don't know why scumtitus would do that

but I have to say I am not feeling very good about the silence, the problem is we will not get anywhere until titus flips at this point, esp without titus saying more

I'll prob vote next time im on here. I'd love to hear from titus and more from mala about alternate ways to use this time first but D2 will drag on like this if we dont get it over with.

There nex tpost, nearly 24 hours later, note not a hammer, note how they are starting to feel bad about their impending lynch of titus

id vote gerain, Bambi, mala, or idanny today - sorta would like to keep mala around but like - still not convinced that slot is town.

i guess id vote outside of those but the rest of the players im feeling are prob town

The above post I think sets out they are willing to vote for anyone at all.
I have not seen any real…evidence based thinking from trolliw at all at any point in the game about why they read people as scum. I said way way back I found trollies very easy to flip flop with their votes, and that hasn’t changed at all.

sorry I've been swamped at work lately

I will get to this tonight. Did anyone get around to checking bob's scum meta? If not, I can do it later

Did you ever do this? Bob's last post strikes me as literally the same shit Bob was up to D1 w the "partners with" thing

More asking others to do work so they can follow their lead

i think bambi is scum.

bob's posts are really town

but i also think gerain could be scum so i dont like that their on that wagon along with mavs who people are scumreading. so i sorta dont wanna vote there

huh? Why do they think bambi is scum? Why do they think I am scum? They mentioned us two in post 905 as scum, but I don’t ever understand why

then the 941/942 instant vote unvote on bambi

oh this is very fun (the VC - and seeing that im the only one not voting)

So - I thin Bob is town, and a mixture of my townread's scumreads and my own scumreads basically make up his entire wagon which is nice to know and makes me feel good about those reads.

I have been townreading mavs since d1 and maybe I have to re-asses, idk...

and then there's mala who is voting gerain. hmm.

another post which I already questioned because it is possible for any player to put everyone in a scum list if basing it on their own scum reads or other people’s scum reads

I'm really down for a bambi lynch today - i was down with that d1 too.

Allo/Id what is the mavs case?

Really down for a bambilynch

Ok i dig it VOTE: mavsfan

I also dig bambi 4 today and then the other scum is prob gerain/mala

Wait, next post they are voting for Mavs, because someone else proved their case?

A few more after this.

Bascally, I am going to vote for trollies. I don’t like their waffling, I don’t like how they set up all their votes well in advance, they like being led to votes, but actually leave themselves wiggle room if people turn out town. If they flip scum, I would want to look at bob after I think (trollies is one of the few people to never place a vote there) but right now happy to go here VOTE: thetrollie

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trollies actually posted a load more waffle and backtracking whilst I was writing that post

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I don't see mavs and danny both being scum together, and I said why in 996. I said it couldn't be mala+bambi+mavs based on mala agreeing with your 957, assuming it doesn't make sense for scum to try and bus both of their partners. However, now that I look back, the "I'm leaning trollie if one of these are town" does cast doubt. Given that she's voting gerain, it's very possible she planned on lynching gerain, and then pivoting to you rather than lynching the other two. So I guess mala+bambi+mavs could very well be a possibility.

I mainly came up with these teams based on interactions that I thought looked like two scum and then looking at who they could be paired with. The first two scumteams came from Bambi/Mala interactions and the second two came from Trollie/Bob interactions. I'm not actually sure why I put the last scumteam in, to be quite honest. I just thought mavs was scummy enough that he deserved to be a suspect and I constructed the only one that made sense with him in it.

Now that Mala+bambi+mavs is on the table, however, I take back what I said about it can't be mavs+bambi. That's another scumteam to suspect based off of Bambi/mavs interaction.

So the new list:

Mala+Bambi+Trollie
Mala+Bambi+Dany
Trollie+bob+Dany
Trollie+bob+Mala
Mala+Bambi+mavs

man, it looks like you put a ton of work into all of this. i'm glad that I am off your scum list, but you are putting an awful lotof effort into creating teams of 3 scum which, considering that no one in this game has found one scum yet thinking you have found 3 seems very optimistic.

but, you aren't voting me so you do you

[geraintm]

It might feel like that's what happened but all that you said is 'I dig it and' and 'I'm sorry for not seeing it earlier - Mavs is def scum.' so from my point of view it seems like your just chasing wagons and didn't want to be on the bambi wagon. Looking back thought my theory doesn't make much sense unless it's specifically a [bob,bambi,trollie] team.

I like that you agree with my thinking that trollies is chasing wagons.
most people seem to be playing venn diagrams trying to find scum, I prefer trying to actually spot people being weird.

[geraintm]

I've just had a lightbulb moment. I am very sticky in my reads, and they are often out of sync with people. this goes across loads of games.
then, come the end of day I always feel pressured to placing a vote so that the day doesn't end in a no lynch, and I get bounced into a terrible terrible vote.
I don't know how to avoid this

[geraintm]

I don’t like Geraintm’s most recent posts.

Vote: Geraintm

[b/]

really? it was just an aide-memoire to myself, nothing more than that. it had zero commentary about this game in its current state

[geraintm]

I have zero idea what mavs is on. if they are town, they are being exceptionally unhelpful, they have just made it impossible for anyone else to be lynched today.
i'm unclear why they are being like this. if they are scum trying to act out and confuse things, they didn't need to?
if town....just why? we already had one townie through in a fake claim to ruin one lynch, we didn't need this



VOTE: mavsfan[\v]

[geraintm]

VOTE: mavsfan

[geraintm]

Mala/Mavs/Bambi?

I'll vote mavs...theres a reason his wagon cant get to 4 today.

I still have trollies down as scum btw, please don't think I don't want them lynched. (the above just screams scum not wanting to lynch their partner to me)
assuming mavs turns up scum, I will be voting for trollies tomorrow straight off

[geraintm]

that isn't the reason at all, and you know it. I have said you are willing to follow other people's leads when you are placing your votes, which is something I dislike incredibly. it takes all the pressure off scum if they can justify all their votes by just following others.
it is exactly the oppsist eof voting your scum reads, it is voting other people's scum reads.

[geraintm]

I would like people to explain why they dont want to lynch mavsfan

[geraintm]

But in the middle of page 3 (posts 53-60ish) this game takes a more serious tone I feel where it appears RVS ended and the game really began

Yeah, I found it weird too, how people in this game were going at each other hell for leather, I come back and place my random vote and go "woah, loads has happened!" And then I get read as fishy by like 3 people for saying that.

I have no real interest in the current pushing and shoving, I hope those who are expending this energy are having fun and getting something from it.

going through Drew sta's post and answer their questions aimed at me

The above, I have no interest in Day 1 arguments, I feel it is a waste of time mostly because people have zero info to go on.

Post 303 was a cop out,not denying that

my post 464 - I have no idea now what I was looking at, presumably something about BBMola but I can't remember now

you don't like my vote in 665 on Allo...but in your read through your opinion on Allo is exactly the same as mine

My 784 - yeah, I was looking to end the day quickly. I was at this point 99% sure they wer egoing to be lynched, and extending the day would just give scum chance to confuse thing. obv looks bad when they flip town, but ive been in too many games where there is an obvious lynch and scum manage to just delay delay delay and people get bored and townies move off the correct vote.

My 983 was just answering a promise I had made earlier to look at the Bob wagon's, and then maybe getting some info off it. its usefulness got removed after my 989 look at trollies though

your post overall makes decent sense. you come round to thinking mavs needs to go today, the effort you have put in is welcome. it is possible when going through 1000 posts to find something scummy looking everyone has done.

[geraintm]

Ger is on Trollie (and keeps persisting in that line of thinking),

Nope

VOTE: mavsfan

[geraintm]

None of what I've said is personal, but there's some hard truths that need to be faced here right now or we stand to lose the game. Change your vote to mavs, and make it clear to people that you agree with someone you've claimed has made sense, and has proposed a path of action that has merit.

only got further down your post, I have voted Mavs!

[geraintm]

Re read on Allo - express concisely what your read is so I can confirm whether we actually align.

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... #p11711043

This post goes through and I point out that I flipping around and asking to be persuaded is bad, and I followe dit up with avote on them

[geraintm]

I dont like how defensive ger is against tjhe drew wall

they asked questions of me, I responded, that seems reasonable. a lot of my replies were me going "yeah, that's bad" so not too defensive
and then they have got confused about the last few real life days and my current vote, and they needed that clarifying. as they explicitly said I should be voting for mavs, me pointing out I was doesn't seem defensive.

[geraintm]

now is the time to claim.

there is literally nothing mavs can claim now that will stop the lynch. telling them to claim is just bad.

[geraintm]

Doctor.

Targeted BBmola night 1 as he claimed.

Targeted Titus night 2 to save the PT cop.

Titus was lynched on Day 2. You targeted a dead person?

awkward...

[geraintm]

Vote:Allomancer

I was expecting this to be a self hammer at this stage, got to be honest

[geraintm]

Vote:Allomancer

I was expecting this to be a self hammer at this stage, got to be honest

I’m not doing your dirty work

this isn't work. I hope you admit your behaviour today has been erratic and you have put us in a position where your lynch is inevitable. your claim being instantly disproved...well there is nothing more to say about it.

[geraintm]

Mala/Mavs/Bambi?

I'll vote mavs...theres a reason his wagon cant get to 4 today.

I still have trollies down as scum btw, please don't think I don't want them lynched. (the above just screams scum not wanting to lynch their partner to me)
assuming mavs turns up scum, I will be voting for trollies tomorrow straight off

VOTE: trollie

[geraintm]

I think the final scum is in [drew, Mala, Bambi]. I also think the neighbourhood should out themselves and when they joined it.

/facepalm

You’ve got to be kidding me, right?

Ger, disappointed you hammered mate. We needed to get mala in on the discussion.

I didnt hammer!
Go back and read the votes

[geraintm]

In post 1102, Malakittens wrote:VOTE: trollieYou got a reason for voting trollie. Day 3 i didnt see you mention him much

going to try and catch up now, going to bea bunch of posts.

bob - why didn't you ask me this question, as I also voted trollies.
I find it suspicious that someone would try and pick apart a wagon by only going at one half of it

[geraintm]

now if germa and bambi are town then why wouldnt scum add a second vote.with 2 scum and 2 town. The last scum would of been need to complete any scum lynch.

? It is me and Malakittens voting for trollie at this point, not bambi.

and why would scum not add more votes - well could be both votes are town and the person they are voting for is scum. find it odd you don't consider that?

more bad points for bob

[geraintm]

It's facepalm worthy because I basically led the lynch on mavs and called you as scum and now you're calling me part of the scum team?

Seriously... You're as obvious as it gets.

I am going to vote for you now. I feel passionately about it.

VOTE: iDanyboy

I want to hear why people are on Trollie. I'm not 100% convinced on him.

The Mavs lynch went through without you, and would of went through had you posted nothing. I am the one that scumread mavs on day 2 and voted him as soon as day 3 started and did not move it when the bob/ bambi wagons both had 3 votes on them. I think this makes it hard to pin me as scum with mavs. I also don't like how you are trying to take credit for a mavs lynch when you had nothing to do with it.

I am giving idany total town cred here. they were onto Mavs from the start of Day 3.

The final votes were, with town in bold

iDanyboy

, bob3141,

geraintm

,

Allomancer[/], TheTrollie

trollie joined the wagon mid way through, then left and then hammered.

[geraintm]

1. I keep highlighting Mal's lack of content because you keep saying you wanted a response from Mala and she has ignored you and yet you're puting your anger elsewhere.
2. I also think you need to re read day 3 because I was the only one that voted Mav's when he had no stink on him and had ample oppurtunity to switch votes because there where two wagons in Bambi and Bob. So in your universe I as scum came out hard pushing my partners after miss lynching two townies? with a misslynch opportunity in Bambi or Bob (as they can't both be my partners). I don't think my day 1 play was dodgy, day 2 you could argue but I think my day 1 was pretty clear.

3. My scum read's come from POE, mav's is dead so we can't lynch him again. I think Bob, Trollie and Ger are town leaving you, Bambi and Mala.

You said ' I basically led the lynch on mavs' and I think anyone that reads it will get the same meaning I did from that and not what you have said now. If anyone pushed him when he had a stink on him it was you not me.

Writing this post has made me realise how disjointed and bad my writing skills are

1. Re trollie: he was on mavs at 3.5. Then got off at 1059, strangely. Then I come along, post my wall, and, acknowledging he did in read my wall and Ger's posts after (1078) which must have included my request to wait for mala in 1068, ends up slamming the hammer after Allo voted in 1079 (with Trollie going on 1093 when it seemed abundantly clear mavs was scum).

That's why I'm angry. Mala not posting is not something I'm angry at. I want their feedback. I'm also wondering if they've been force voted and silenced but I doubt it.

... also, when reading that, it seems fucking clear Trollie is acting suspiciously.

Fuck. That revelation hit me like a truck...

I actually think Trollie is scum guys.

2. Not important after my revelation in 1.

3. Why is Trollie town? Exactly why? I think it's now you, Trollie and mavs.

Why do you keep drawing attention to mala?You are shifting focus here from you and Trollie.

I like that your read on Trolliw got to mine once you looked at their posts. why not vote though?

[geraintm]

oh man, drew's post 1125 ending with avote for idany is bad.

[geraintm]

the wagon on me is bull - gerain and mala i think it is...interesting. I have to re-read drew's argument for why I am scum but I am like 90% sure that there is at least 1 scum in Mala/Gerain. Prob Mala (though i do need to do the reading above) bc i think she voted second and it is idiotic for town to put anyone on L-2 with 2 scum left within the first 5 posts of D4

lets just say, so many people not considering the person being voted for as likely scum, but lumping the scumon the wagon just rings so off with me.
would trollie have pinged me as most lieky scum if I had voted second, even though I had promised to vote trollie today?

[geraintm]

TLDR - iDany first scum choice. bob second scum choice. Trollie third scum choice. Bambi fourth scum choice but I find less likely.

this read list is terrible, excepting that I am not on it, that part I like.

[geraintm]

today feels like trollie and drew are the most likely lynches already.

I have iday as strong town at this stage.

I don't think anyone is reading me as scum at this point, so pleased with that.

[geraintm]

oh man, drew's post 1125 ending with avote for idany is bad.

Why.

becase you go from a post that has you almost voting for trollie, to the next going back andvoting for idany. just...if you almost agree with my scum read and then switch to voting for the person I think is most town, that just looks bad.

[geraintm]

What hasn't happened since trollie is at L-1:

wagons not getting lopped off isn't an indicator of scum/town. we have seen already in this game that some people are very hard to lynch

[geraintm]

Not like anyone here would hammer. That's kinda suicidal even if you are scum Trollie. Though the fact you didn't self hammer to stop the day has gotta mean something though? That your either town or you know you can get outta this?

who is this aimed at, trollie?

I don't think scum self hammers at this stage, they are down to only 2 and won't want to go down to just one, they'd rather take their chances on trying to get ou tof it

[geraintm]

rying to look at people now over the last few days and see what I can see.

malakittens - nothing to go on

[geraintm]

Bambi Jay - there is nothing to go on.

Fuck, Mavs really was scum. Hmm. Okay, back in this game finally after just dodging it for awhile for... Honestly laziness and shit because no scum flip gave me anything to work with.

Don't out Trollie to L-1 please. A quickhammer today would be shite.

considering they started off today saying how poor they have been.#
don't think they ever got round to answering the question like they said they woul din 1140

Sure. Might as well help Optimus Prime.

VOTE: Danny

^^^ this is bad.

[geraintm]

Drew-sta

up to when I last did a serious look at people, I did not like Drew's game at all. Their vote on trollie, and unvote and then using the fact that they weren't hammered whilst at L-1 as a data point, well, I don't like at all.
Because of their continued focus on idany - who I consider my strongest town read - I just have them in the scumhalf of the game

[geraintm]

idany

as I have said, I have them as town. so I am biased in my read of them and I know this.
the whole argument with drew is...annoying to watch as it is all that is going on in the game, mostly because the rest of us are being useless. they are butting heads and no one is jumping in to help. my contribution was to tell drew that I just straight up thing he is wrong about idany and should leave it, but that hasn't worked at all. I am also 97% sure idany isn't going to get lynched today so drew is wasting their time.

I don't want the lynch today to be due ot inactivity though, which is where I fear today is heading.

[geraintm]

bob - I think their scum reads are drew and trollie, their posts are very simple posts stating facts, no emotional long rants. I like their posting style. I have them in the town pile too, just not as much as idany.

the game feels like drew and trollie are under pressure together and their posts are as not as well reasoned as the others who are posting in the game.
I would rather trollie lynched today then drew, but I don't think enough people agree with me on that.
but we need bambi and mala to join in the game

[geraintm]

today feels like trollie and drew are the most likely lynches already.

I have iday as strong town at this stage.

I don't think anyone is reading me as scum at this point, so pleased with that.

/facepalm Why am I scumread by you.

oh man, drew's post 1125 ending with avote for idany is bad.

Why.

becase you go from a post that has you almost voting for trollie, to the next going back andvoting for idany. just...if you almost agree with my scum read and then switch to voting for the person I think is most town, that just looks bad.

You realise there are two scum left, right? I firmly believe it is out of dany, bob and trollie.

If you insist on trollie, fine. VOTE: Change Vote trollie but I firmly believe your read on dany is wrong.

What hasn't happened since trollie is at L-1:

I found these posts bad. you switching vote like that, and then using the fact that no one hammered as evidence of something is just weird to me.

The fact you are convinced iDany is not going to get lynched makes me very suspicious of you. How do you know that?

why? I just don't think there are the votes for idany to get lynched today, it would take some realy flipping of view points for enough people to place their votes there. I think I often say things like this, that I don't believe certain people will get lynched. not sure why is raises your suspicions.

[geraintm]

@drew - I do have you and trollies as the people I think are the least town in the game. trollies is the only person I want to lynch today right now. but there are some people absent from the game so I reserve the right to be flexible in your placement when they come back

[geraintm]

You’ve never done reaction tests, Ger?

no. not even sure what they are. I am a very simple player who sees things very black and white.

[geraintm]

I could be convinced to vote mala, idanny or Bob today

I find your lack of conviction disturbing.

[geraintm]

Something something that's a Star Wars reference.

well yes. and that yet again trollie is just asking everyone else where to stick their vote

[geraintm]

What intent?

[geraintm]

Dont have time today to post properly.
Mala has been contributing little thr last few days, are you still poorly?

[geraintm]

Sorry just seen drew is voting for themselves.

[geraintm]

Trollie can you claim.

no need for this

[geraintm]

I am so set on trollies being scum. I am going to start tomorrow straight off voting them

[geraintm]

if you are town, then yes I would have been incredibly annoyed if you had self hammerd

[geraintm]

germa you keep pushign for a trollie lynch but who do you think is his partner if he is scum?

And if you were worng on trollie and he is town. Who do you think would be scum instead

@drew - I do have you and trollies as the people I think are the least town in the game. trollies is the only person I want to lynch today right now. but there are some people absent from the game so I reserve the right to be flexible in your placement when they come back

[geraintm]

L-1. Can we get agreement that iDanny is the agreed lynch? If not, I’d prefer you lynch me.

posting quickly. I do not agree idanny should be lynched.

[geraintm]

germa you keep pushign for a trollie lynch but who do you think is his partner if he is scum?

And if you were worng on trollie and he is town. Who do you think would be scum instead

@drew - I do have you and trollies as the people I think are the least town in the game. trollies is the only person I want to lynch today right now. but there are some people absent from the game so I reserve the right to be flexible in your placement when they come back

Ok so go into detail into why you think drew and trollie are the scum team.


And that was only half of my question that you lazily answered.

If you were wrong one of them who do you think woudl be scum instead.


If trollie flips town. Who do you think you were wrong on.

If drew flips town who do you think you were wrong on

it was lazy. but I had already answered it and wanted people to see that I had already answered it. if trollies comes up town, then the new information that would come up overnight would mean I would have to reread the game. I don't have a secret stash of info hidden away, I would have to make new choices on the data I had at the time.

[geraintm]

If you think trollie and drew are teh scum team why do you think trollie offered intent to hammer.

i'll believe ahammer from trollie when it happens.

[geraintm]

If you think trollie and drew are teh scum team why do you think trollie offered intent to hammer.

Germa if you think drew is scum why didnt you give intent to hammer. Why didnt you move your vote onto him when he was l-2. If your towna nd think two players are scum wouldnt not mind which one went first

because I think one is more likely to be scum than the other. just because I think someone is more likely to be scum than others, does not mean I want to lynch them

[geraintm]

Germa how hard to softly do you think mav was bussed. One buss, two buss or no buss

well...one. just trollie. drew wasn't voting, trollies hammer only came before drew could hammer instead, but mavs was getting lynched at that point even if neither of the two people I think are most likely scum didn't vote.

[geraintm]

The wagons make sense to me. I have trollie and drew as my most likely scum. Also, cant have everyone in the game thinking they are going to get night killed, bot enough knives to go round

[geraintm]

I am also not interested in claims. They will not help the situation at all, just confuse things and muddy the waters. Any claim at this stage I am ignoring

[geraintm]

Remember the Titus claim...yeah. claims have their place. Now isnt that place

[geraintm]

Assume this is a vote for trollie

[geraintm]

my assumption by the way is that 4 town have been left alive because 1 more person who can misvote than with 3.

[geraintm]

I'm up for no lynch.

[geraintm]

sorry, hold on. I misread. I for some stupid reason though the 2 scum could get a mislynch with just 1 misplaced vote. which clearly isn't the case at all. ignore most of what I have said before, im an idiot

[geraintm]

so we either try and get a correct lynch today. To get a mislynch today it would require 2 townies to vote for a townie. to get a mislynch tomorrow it only requires 1 townie to vote for a townie. I think I prefer the odds of us hitting scum today than tomorrow.
still want to vote trollie

[geraintm]

VOTE: no lynch
but noting I want to lynch trollie still

[geraintm]

Trollie, I would vote for mo lynch if I were you as the only person going to get lynched today is you.

[geraintm]

Nothing today has convinced me otherwise than trollie is scum.

[geraintm]

Trollie, scum.can end the day at any point they want by voting no lynch. If you have useful info you need to say now. Dancing like this is just....not good

[geraintm]

VOTE: unvote
will get back to this in awhile

[geraintm]

Sorry, hammered at work today. Will get back to the thread properly tomorrow
Trollie weirdly is making sense though.from.my first.read of his claim

[geraintm]

so, I have been stuck with the mindset the last few days trollie being scum. just couldn't shake it.
this claim is good. if it is fake then the set up to coming out with it has been excellent. I buy it, and it makes trollie's game actions make much more sense to me. if it is fake, then bravo.

I think so far in this game I have been targeted by no one. why?
I am trying to work this out. my (hopeful) suspiscion is that I have come across as very townie who has been been trying to push a lynch of trollie the entire game. if I am seen as "town", then townies have better places to go at night,
and scum, well I think they are happy to leave a deluded townie in the game.

[geraintm]

I won't have time to really work through this until Sunday AU time. So, frankly, I'm just keen to move on with this game and forget it ever happened.

I believe it's trollie. I believe I got it wrong about trollie before, and I vastly fucked up iDany and likely bob. I'm somewhat believing Ger is the other based on 1403 as how would he know scum can hammer the no lynch now (there are two left) if he didn't know bob was town.

Thus. I'm going with gut and I'll probably get my pants pulled down but fuck it - life's too short to agonise over this.

VOTE: TheTrollie

Trollie, scum.can end the day at any point they want by voting no lynch. If you have useful info you need to say now. Dancing like this is just....not good

when I wrote this, there were 2 votes on my lynch wasn't there? me and bob. only takes 3 votes to no lynch so scum could hammer the no lynch at any point, and it didn't matter what bob's alignment was as we have 2 scum left in the game.

going to go over Drew now to see how they stack up as scum

[geraintm]

so drew - I had them as the second most likely to be scum when I last did this, behind trollie.
obv that has changed now on trollie

Someone targeted the killer last night.

what makes you think that

Ditto. Seems weird for the PR to stay quiet for so long, only to come out in MyLo. Unless your claiming it Drew. But I guess you would've claimed it before you got hung, so... Eh.

Because mafia has killed each night but last night they did not.

Not claiming the role BTW.

I need to go do some serious reading. I royally fucked up iDany and I clearly need to go fix my reads.

here. "not claiming the role btw". but he had already claimed here

It’s fine Bambi. I totally understand. Trollie, please do the honours and get this done. I’ve failed in trying to help town and I’d like to keep things moving.

Claiming VT. If scum are not in iDany and bob (one at least) then I really have fucked this up.

Goodnight.

back when he was sure scum was within idany and bob

posys 1407 and 1410, feels like he was angling to lynch trollie (and then me), but trollie inbetween their issues with drew and drew has to back off, but I think the damage has alredy been done. I think drew has switched his scum reads from idanny/bob way back when trollie and me
there was the "please hammer me, might do it myself" phase they had too.

other things

oh man, drew's post 1125 ending with avote for idany is bad.

TLDR - iDany first scum choice. bob second scum choice. Trollie third scum choice. Bambi fourth scum choice but I find less likely.

this read list is terrible, excepting that I am not on it, that part I like.

[geraintm]

Oh, I thought I had been very clear throught out the game that I was vanilla townie.

[geraintm]

Drew had claimed VT, but then forgot that later. I pointed that out above.
Sorry for quick posts it's the weekend

[geraintm]

Bob. Weekends I dont have the time to answer long threads.yesterday inthought itbwas trollie, with I believe insaidndrew second most likely. I voted trollie then as I wanted them lynched, I knew I didnt want to lynch Danny.there was no one else I felt strongly enough to want to lynch.
Why you asking for my scum team today is a no go, I dont work like that.

[geraintm]

I know today I will not vote trollie. I think I lean drew as anti town. Havent gone through the rest enough to out everyone on a side

[geraintm]

God just read back my post. It is impossible to read. Sorry

[geraintm]

VOTE: no lynch

[geraintm]

today we have found out some more info, more than we had at the start. some things will be confirmed over night. I am happy doing the opposite of what drew wants to do

[geraintm]

im already voting no lynch. I feel better about trying to get a better lynch tomorrow with one mor eperson dead.

[geraintm]

VOTE: no lynch

[geraintm]

Just seems the thing to do. Hopefully trollie will chip in with something too

[geraintm]

I have no more info than yesterday. I didnt want to lynch then. I dont want to lynch today, but tomorrow when we have more info if a lynch happens then I can make a better guess.
It is not productive to make guesses about scum teams today, if it was I would have done so yesterday

[geraintm]

No lynch doesn't lose town the game. Lynching me does. I'd rather we don't lose.
Ots bank holiday weekend here in uk, replies and posts are short

[geraintm]

Ger, can you explain this:In post 698, geraintm wrote:sorry for being really dim, this is the first game I've ever been in with a Private Thread Cop.PT Cops are useful for finding groupings of players, but cannot say if they are scum or not - so in this game with masons it would identify if they were be in eithe rof these two groups but not alignment.why would scum have this, unless there were multiple groupings of players not scum? I can understand scum making this claim once Mason is claimed, but I can't see why you would believe the claim but think they might be scum too? if you believe it, I don't see why they would be scum?or please explain where my logic goes wrongNot sure what it means.

Trying to catch up with things

the above makes sense if you look at this post

Yes. I think they are a PT cop, but I think there could a town PT cop or a scum PT cop.

I was responding to that

[geraintm]

Also, if you're convinced of trollie, why not vote him now?

Yes. I think they are a PT cop, but I think there could a town PT cop or a scum PT cop.

I am not convinced Trollie is scum now. I now believe his claim, and I have said I will not be voting for him (unless info changes of course)

[geraintm]

If three days and three nights pass without a death there will be a draw.

I am happy with a draw at this point. I think Town have sucked most of the game, and to not lose would be an achievement.
I am pretty sur ei am voting no lynch already, but just want to make sure VOTE: no lynch

[geraintm]

as I've been asked on reads

Trollie - town
bambi - town because trollies has cleared them

leaves 2 scum between bob, drew

[geraintm]

sorry, mala would be one of the people I think could be scum. no idea why the sentence didn't finish after I wrote drew.
#so, if a NK happens this is what I see

if trollie - clears bambi
if bambi - doesn't technicaly clear trollie but I have already said if trollie's claim is fake then they have handil beaten me this game

if me - then I don't have to worry any more
if one of bob, drew or mala then I will be voting for one of the remaining two.

[geraintm]

because that is a 2 out 3 shot - (assuming my logic is correct), and I think no lynching and getting info from a night death helps me improve those odds. do you disagree with this?

[geraintm]

why am I happy with a draw? because I think we have to correctly spot scum twice in a row, and so far we have been incredibly bad at spotting scum. think scum handed us the one correct one we were given.
We might get a win if scum lynch badly tonight, but they shouldn't. odds are in their favour.
I want to go to night, I have explained myself enough and I am nto adding anything now

[geraintm]

Well, mala, did you want to go Ger?

I don't want to die wondering.

Ger, mala, trollie right now.

I’d be down.

Honestly I don’t ever like draws but if majority wanted to go that way. I rather go down fighting

I been thinking gera is scum since like D2 or D3 due to reactions

its day 6. surely you can do better than your guts from day 2 or 3.
i'd like to see you set out a case against me.

anyone here from the UK? anyone watched the cummings press conference? it is fun watching someone distort their version of the truth to try and match the story they are pedalling. I would be interested in how you could twist what I have done to your version where the answer is I am scum.

[geraintm]

I'd like to lynch Drew or mala today

Would you prefer to do that, or wait until a NK to help eliminate someone and then vote tomorrow?
Like, I am two thirds of the way with you on your vote placement.

[geraintm]

If I had to vote now btw, I think it would be kn drew

[geraintm]

@trollie
I am assuming you want to lynch within the mala/drew/bob group, is that right?

[geraintm]

We havent heard from mala in a few days by the way

[geraintm]

Though mala wants to lynch either me or trollie, so they arent much use for me. I've made me desires know for who I would kill.

[geraintm]

Options as I see it, people are bored.

Either lynch today or not. If not, then people should vote no lynch now so we can move onto tomorrow quicker in real time. I want no lynch and hope scum kill someone tonight.

If you lot want to kill someone today, you need to start putting out names.there is no consensus as far as I can see on who would be lynched today. The person i most want to kill though is drew. I do not want trollie or bambi killed.

But the rest of you complaining nothing is happening today and dknt want to see a no lynch should be doing something more than you are.

[geraintm]

My order is no lynch then drew.
Bambi? Your opinion

[geraintm]

I can’t tell if you delibately misunderstood his post or if it was accidental

No idea what this means

[geraintm]

Honestly? My heart said Trollie since the beginning and the weird claim isn't helping. Drew's case speaks slightly more to me.

Well, that ain't good.

I think the camps are me and trollie would want to vote drew

Drew wants to vote trollie
Bambi wants to vote trollie

Rest, no idea.

I've tried my best to get people to articulate what they want, but there is no consensus as far as I can see. People can try and lynchbskmeone today or wait until tomorrow. I dknt know what else I can do to get the game moving.

[geraintm]

I've seen the vote. I ain't voting

[geraintm]

With the state of play, what are people's opinion on if I am town or scum. Curious.

[geraintm]

I consider that trollie and drew are in opposite camps by the way.

[geraintm]

I find it impossible for them to both be town or both be scum

[geraintm]

Are we all agreed there must be one scum in trollie,drew and bambi jay

[geraintm]

quick reply.
I am very much down with trollies to vote for drew, I just want a night to go through so that someone might get killed to help confirm someone

[geraintm]

at those what want trollie who do you think his partner is?

at those who want drew who do you his partner is?

geraintm - im town
bob3141
TheTrollie - i believe they are town
Malakittens
Drew-Sta
Bambi Jay - if trollies is town, then bambi is too

that means i think scum are drew plus one of bob/mala

pretty sure i articulated that previously

[geraintm]

I have zero extra info to base my reads on. I found trollie claim believable. I said at the time if it is fake, then they've got me.

Since the claim, trollie has been consistent and I find their posts believable. Their actions and votes are consistent. That is why I read them as town. It is people who are inconsistent or have reads that need to be twisted to get there that I don't like.

[geraintm]

Bambi I read as town, dont believe I ever really had them in the wcum.pile but they are posting in a way consistent with my view of them and the info gained from trollie. I think up until the claim I had trollie and drew.as my top two

[geraintm]

Trollie logic to me is solid. I am 95% sure drew is scum. The other scum is bob or mala. I was hoping scum would helpfully kill one of them and help solve the game.

Bambi, as I consider you 100% town, do you disagree with trollie logic? Because I feel if you are on board with logic them we can finish the game quickly

[geraintm]

I also am leaning more that bob is town over mala.

[geraintm]

Well, that's good I think, getting bambi onto team trollie.

This is what I believe will happen if drew gets lynched tonight.
Trollie doesn't get lynched because it confirms bambi.
Bambi wont get lynched because they are confirmed by trollie.

Trollie has me totally down as town and will not vote for me against either mala or bob.
Scum will push the game to be mala vs bob as the final choice, with bambi and trollie to decide between them.
As I believe I am 100% to get killed tonight of drew gets lynched, I want to be involved today to sort out why the final lynch should be.

I see no value now in no lynching. If scum killed in the night it will still be to get to an endgame where it is between drew/mala/bob.

I might be overestimating how much I am seen as town by the other town players, but bambi/trollie this is now mostly aimed at you.

Also bob/mala as you two will be thr final vote, you need to start now making your case why you are not sxum and why the other one is.

[geraintm]

drew, assume for one minute that the rest of us are playing a game where you are dead, are scum and we need to work out what to do next. i'm not sure why I am telling you this as it is obvious to you

[geraintm]

Cakez has told us this is last phase. We no lynch again, we go to a draw.

If we lynch here, incorrectly, we lost.

If we lynch here, correctly, we head into final Mylo.

Actually, important question I guess.

@Mod: Will the game end in a draw during the day phase or night phase?

Because if it ends in day or night, they both give different benefits out.

It ends after the sixth phase without a death. So as of now, the game will end in a draw at the end of day 7 if there is no death.

Drew?

[geraintm]

I want to see a Mala post in thread before I move this game forward. I want people to see they have checked in since drew got to 2 votes

[geraintm]

I've seen enough VOTE:


I know I said I wanted no lynch, but I articulated that early on because I wanted us to move quickly to tomorrow and hope scum killed within the drew/bob/mala group. the day has gone on long enough and I have had to express my thinking often enough that they are not going to do what I hoped and we are going to end up in a 50/50 tomorrow. might as well vote drew now. I waited logn enough to get mala to express their thoughts.

[geraintm]

I've seen enough VOTE:


I know I said I wanted no lynch, but I articulated that early on because I wanted us to move quickly to tomorrow and hope scum killed within the drew/bob/mala group. the day has gone on long enough and I have had to express my thinking often enough that they are not going to do what I hoped and we are going to end up in a 50/50 tomorrow. might as well vote drew now. I waited logn enough to get mala to express their thoughts.

VOTE: drew

[geraintm]

no, a vote for trollie from bob or mala does not make them town. misrepresenting game state again

we can have

drew scum
trollie town
bambi town
Geraint town

mala or bob voting for trollie does not give any indication of their alignment at all. you are instead guiding your partner.

[geraintm]

if drew is town, then the scum team is trollie and bambi and they won the game ages ago. they beat me fair and square, im not lynching for the rest of the game in that pair.
or if drew is town and trollies is scum and bambi is town, then scum have already won when mala comes online and votes.

at some point you all need to recognise that you need to play the game as if drew is scum.

[geraintm]

you know, if I ask you if you are a cop 3 times, you have to tell me the truth

[geraintm]

So, 4 people left tomorrow. Is the plan to no lynch and get it down to a final 3? I think though scum will no kill then though hoping for a draw

[geraintm]

As in a final 3 it will be very obvious who the scum.is.

Writing shirt messages in case this gets locked

[geraintm]

I find that there being no smug game over post means we have hit scum

[geraintm]

Scum know I wont vote in the bambi or trollie group, so if they keep me alive they will kill bambi or trollie

[geraintm]

If bob is not scum, then he has been all over the place today and they could leave anyone else alive

[geraintm]

If mala is not scum, then I dont know what they will do because they've gone from not wanting to vote drew at all to being the hammer

[geraintm]

Well,I said all along that if trollie claim was fake then I got played and scumndeserved their win.

I just didn't know it was bambi's claim that was fake...