mini 2140: partition (this is over)
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I think our biggest disadvantage is a lack of ability to pressure other players since it's diffused across the groups, and thus a lack of scum hunting.
I think sorting the players
We can use hurt tags and use them to maintain our own vote count. Then when a
Otherwise I think discussion is likely to be limited to speculating about where scum placed themselves and going around the wine/yomi cycle
@Kanna same, I initially joined because Clidd came out of his newbie game hiding hole, and was excited to see you and dsj signed up! It feels like a conspiracy.
I think sorting the players
in
the groups should be priority as normal, and inorder to do that we need a way to apply pressure to individuals. So what do you guys think of lynching groups based on a pseudo lynching individuals?We can use hurt tags and use them to maintain our own vote count. Then when a
player
gets a majority, we lynch that group. If the player is in group 1, we reset the count and begin again. If yet another player from group 1 gets majority, we lynch that group. Otherwise I think discussion is likely to be limited to speculating about where scum placed themselves and going around the wine/yomi cycle
@Kanna same, I initially joined because Clidd came out of his newbie game hiding hole, and was excited to see you and dsj signed up! It feels like a conspiracy.
OkIn post 46, enomis wrote:I meant scum hunt normally. And come to a consensus about groups late in the day based on who you scumread.In post 41, Ame wrote:What do you mean by play normal?
Kanna I'm not ignoring you, I'm just going to quote everything later. Actually, since I'm already typing this I can respond to 164. It's your reasoning that you are using to justify there being 3 scum in group 1 that comes off as disingenuous. Who do you know besides myself that hates being scum so much that they would throw all their eggs in one basket? It seems unlikely the entire scum team would agree to such a strategy.
I think given the ellipsis it is acceptable as it reflects a natural pause in speech where the speaker is unaware of the word they are going to use next and so cannot anticipate the proper form of a/an to use beforehand.
@Hoc let's reveal at the same time at xx:30 I promise I'll post so don't preview before you do ok
Furthermore, the purpose of 'an' is to smooth out the transition between two vowel sounds. If there's a pause between words, however, that is no longer necessary. I couldn't sleep with this on my mind.In post 269, Ame wrote:I think given the ellipsis it is acceptable as it reflects a natural pause in speech where the speaker is unaware of the word they are going to use next and so cannot anticipate the proper form of a/an to use beforehand.
Sleeping on it Kanna, I still don't resonate with your reasoning. If scum were playing
go big or go home
why would they place all of their members in Group 1? The go big or go home strategy would be to place 0-1 member in Group 1 for a quick victory. I've been thinking how I'd go about this, and this is exactly what I'd do. MT stated that it was obvious to her that town would push for group 3, but I think it's obvious town would push for Group 1 with the idea of getting 2 scum. Moths fly to the brightest flame and G1 is like so wifomy in-your-face goading us to lynch there.Because of the blue line here:In post 496, Kanna wrote:by "go big or go home," i meanIn post 321, Ame wrote:Sleeping on it Kanna, I still don't resonate with your reasoning. If scum were playinggo big or go homewhy would they place all of their members in Group 1? The go big or go home strategy would be to place 0-1 member in Group 1 for a quick victory. I've been thinking how I'd go about this, and this is exactly what I'd do. MT stated that it was obvious to her that town would push for group 3, but I think it's obvious town would push for Group 1 with the idea of getting 2 scum. Moths fly to the brightest flame and G1 is like so wifomy in-your-face goading us to lynch there.iwant to go big or go home (right now, by voting group 1). i still think 2+ scum in group 1 is what most people would do prediscussion. it's actually quite safe because you can blackmail town with how many lives they could potentially lose. i personally find 3/0/0 appealing, but (⍪_⍪)
my point is there's *at least* 2 scum in group 1, why do you keep focusing on 3/0/0?
This is what I'm referring to as the go big or go home take. You stated here that you think scum might choose to go down together. But if that was the type of team we had, they would go 1/1/1 not 3/0/0.In post 53, Kanna wrote:I wouldn't discount all scum being in group 1. I think, provided the scumteam are a group of people who don't like playing scum, they might choose to go down together (worst case scenario).1/1/1 seems like the safest option, but kind of demoralising if they know one of their guys go down no matter what they do.
after thinking about it i think there's *probably* at least 2 scum in group 1
i do agree with scumhunting though. I think our priority sorts are groups 2 and 3. Ame's idea is interesting, although it's one of those ideas that requires everyone to be on board with and i'm not sure if that will be the case
I think the 2/x/x is very reasonable and I think likely. My concern with you isn't about what you believe (I'm not interested in sorting out which of the scenarios we are in), it's your reasoning in line 1 that is.
Given the reasoning I provided, do you maintain yours?In post 500, Kanna wrote:@Ame; I said that because it's the first thing that came to my mind - as in, I would totally do that and try to convince my team to do that, i thought i covered this.
The fact that the distributions are built this way is exactly why it's likely they thought of it beforehand! It was obviously made by someone with foresight. If you had no knowledge of how the distributions were made today, how do you think you would have made them coming into the game?In post 506, Kanna wrote:i think what you said is possible, but it's like a double layer of wifom that i don't think is likely for scum to think of beforehand. most likely/natural is 2+ scum in Group 1, with 3/0/0 just being appealing
This is just based on my conversation with Charmander earlier (sorry Char I don't have your name off the top of my head), I haven't had the time to look into the math yet, but intuitively it seems like we have a lower probability of winning going the G1 route. If there is 1 scum, we lose automatically. If there are 2 scum, scum has a 2/3 chance of winning the next day. If we lynch G2 and there is 1 scum, then...If we lynch G3 and there is 1 scum...If we lynch G3 and there is 2 scum... (and that's where my brain is stopping). But I think going the route of minimizing casualties is better for our chances of winning, particularly because we can get more days and scumhunting out of it and will have flips to work off of. Whereas going G1 we are essentially gambling without prior knowledge of who is on the scum team and how they think. Going one of the other groups actually gives usIn post 502, Kanna wrote:If there are 2 scum in Group 1, and say, 1 in Group 2, we absolutely kill Group 1. Yes, scum/town ratio is better, but scum decide the partitions and it messes us up the next day. 1 lone scum is winnable.
evidence
of how they think and we can work from there. Right now we are just random guessing and going in circles. pedit: enomis, that's it
There aren't any females in Groups 2 or 3. I was contemplating on whether it just happened to turn out that way, but considering the proportion this game, I think it's an unlikely a coincidence and the groups were intentionally made on this basis. Also we are in alphabetical order. In the last game, the names were more randomly spread about. Hoc is the only male in the first group (and dragon half). This makes me think that either a) Hoc is pulling a funny one or b) The scum team consists of players who didn't know what Hoc's gender was.
Scum backing down
Clidd, I felt your opening was agenda-y and that you and Hoc might have been partners. I hadn't answered you because I had mostly been skimming at that point. I didn't really read your posts in particular because they are not posts that I can just look through real fast. When catching up last night I finally got to reading your content and it's just obvious to me that you're town. Your tone/thoughts/pushes are all reminiscent of strawberry and Boon's game, and lack the nervousness from Conspiracy. Most substantially, I don't think scum Clidd comes at me the way you have and would rather avoid me since you seem to fancy and fear my ability to read you.
town leanIn post 685, clidd wrote:What's your read on Mohab ?In post 681, Ame wrote:Also I do scum read someone from group 3: enomis.