Micro 948: Noughts and Crosses Blitz [Game over!]

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Heck, the last post you can't really even defend against. Really the only post here I can somewhat nod at is the one against myself. Kanna and Max/Roz just feels off to me. Dunnstrals reaction to T-bone rubbed me the wrong way as well, but maybe I just don't like how defensive it was.

The "somewhat nod at is the one against myself" feels hilariously self-conscious scum. If you're town you should not find any reasoning against you to be good! Believable maybe, but why would you agree that your own posting is suspicious, instead of trying to correct me for why it is not?

I'm not really seeing the self conscious part. Moreover, I don't think Clover was agreeing with your reasoning or saying that your reasoning was good, but rather thought your point on him was the only bit that he could see as plausibly genuine.

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There's something off-putting about how many times you've shaded Clover while voting for someone (and pushing the closest thing to an RVS case against them!) who hasn't entered the thread yet.

Is it because Maxwell is in the corner and Clover isn't? Because you're ostensibly scumreading Clover hard enough to solicit a vote but you're withholding it for reasons that aren't clear to me.

Why ask GuiltyLion this question only to provide him with an answer?

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Guilty as charged. I saw the day had started, saw it was early RVS, and decided to peace out until there was something more substantial. Normally I wouldn't mind messing around but I feel this setup needs to be played strategically so it's better for me to project Seriousness. I'm satisfied with what's been posted now to form reads, though. Going to start writing those up now.

despite finding the reasoning in his last post somewhat odd, I actually like Clover as town here - his push on guiltylion feels genuine with the way he's investigating his stances rather than trying to push on something cheap.

I like that guiltylion actually bothered to investigate my activity, on first pass I thought he was town but on a reread didn't like his back and forth with clover as much. I'm tired so my thinking is not the best. Still shows more evidence of tying to be proactive than most.

If I could confidently townread Blair I'd declare the game to be won already, but I can't - the early excessive setup talk comes across as avoiding scumhunting, and felt like she hands out townreads too easily in #40 and #73.

Dunnstral has been fillery, devoid of content, with a rather awkward start. Don't see what other people are seeing in the townread there. I'll be reading Micro 639 to see if that's just his meta/if he's easy lynchbait, though.

T-Bone's opening was fillery/useless, lot of talk about the setup and past games. Do kind of like his empty vote on Dunn, though, becuase I didn't like his start either, but it does look off given he started the game similarly.

Kanna: really fillery start, plus a weak sheep of clover's vote on guiltylion while only committing to "I kind of agree" in #67. probably the scummiest of everyone who's posted.

These two posts wouldn't be scummy on their own, but together they reek.

Maxwell recognizes how little substance there is to draw reads from in early RVS, so he skips it altogether so he can wait to jump in until there is enough content to post more substantial reads.

He then shades multiple players for "fillery start

," "useless content," and weak reads -

a conversation he can only have unironically because he avoided RVS himself.

Basically, he skipped RVS because making something from nothing is hard, then shows up and says, "They tried to make something from nothing, pretty weak start, maybe scummy?"

If he genuinely believes weak openings are scum tells, that might explain why he avoided RVS althogether. It feels like he avoided early game so he could make pushes like this without any risk of looking hypocritical.

I like this post. There's just less to talk about in early game and mechanics is typically a conversation spring board, so people are more likely to make posts that he deems as 'filler'.

I'm agreeing with a lot of Dunnstral and TBone's posting on page 5.

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If he genuinely believes weak openings are scum tells, that might explain why he avoided RVS althogether. It feels like he avoided early game so he could make pushes like this without any risk of looking hypocritical.

I like this reasoning overall I think

My one hangup rn is, if Maxwell is scum and (presumably) trying to survive, why handout a townread on rozyroz so immediately? If he's scum and rozyroz is town that's a fairly easy avenue to throw shade or pressure, Dunnstral already highlighted it, why does he instead opt for a townread which might make it harder for him to vote there later?

Doesn't this assume rozyroz is town?

Correction: none of those players have said enough to make me suspicious of them

I'm thinking a lot about the likelihood of scum vs town RVS voting me and then making this correction 1-2 minutes later

I think overall I want to say it'd be

really bold

as scum to plan to just outright vote me, a leading wagon, and claim: a) that I haven't posted anything, and then b) actually, it's that nothing I've posted has made them suspicious. Because they would know if I'm lynched I'm going to flip town and everyone is gonna look at this vote and critique why it was made.

At the same time, how can town read the game and not be suspicious of anything anyone has posted?? Why would town RVS vote instead of trying to at least take a stand on something and advance the game, even if only to an incremental degree?

Does anyone have any really strong thoughts here? I'm probably landing on the 'newbie town' side, but it's odd enough that I can't rule it out as scum.

Her second post seemed more like an ebwop/clarification rather than a bold declaration that you haven't made any content - I doubt she was actually claiming that you haven't posted anything. I think it's NAI

I'm not calling you a newbie! I just think your entire viewpoint on how people would play is something I would expect from one. If that makes sense.

Why was this a scummy thing to say?

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and yeah it does assume rozyroz is town - because it's also assuming Maxwell is scum - if both of them are scum then it might also explain that play but that's extremely unlikely in a vacuum and would also mean town is in a really good position here and isn't really worth bothering with IMO

That's fair

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Is it bad I like this? I don't know, combined with the fact that everyone is kinda open to max dying and him doubling down I get bad feelings. Although this would go against my entire theory in the first place.

What about maxwell's post did you like?

Actually, reading back after the reference to dunnstral made me notice something:

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Scummy post relating to me & T-bone

I think T-bone is scummy; I think Blair said they were town because they were talking about mechanics early? I don't buy into that, I don't see a reason for mafia to avoid talking about mechanics - I do it all the time as mafia, actually

Okay, why is my post talking about you and T-Bone scummy when you suspect him as well?

Why is this weird if you and Dunnstral have different reasons for suspecting T-Bone?

As an aside, I think everyone should vote even if you're not confident in your scumreads because having your vote in play will help build wagons.

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VOTE: maxwell

I think this is a good starting point.

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Cat Scratch Fever's inquiries do not impress me and that slot remains in E-tier. With a rozyroz into Cat Scratch Fever lynch, we may just be able to escape this miserable killing game.

Upset at rolling mafia, Cat Scratch Fever? You seem dejected.

Why are you scumreading me? Because dejected sounding tone?

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max, if you want me lynched tomorrow, then why are you voting rozy over dunn? Doesn't lynching dunn bring you closer to victory given your scumreads (or not-townreads more accurately) are in that bottom right corner?

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Actually yeah Clover, why is T Bone your top townread? You haven't really mentioned him until now

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You didn't like my meme?

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One day left so we should consolidate wagons quickly since some people only check in sporadically.

I still prefer max, but it's hard to gaf to argue against a rozy lynch. Although I'm not just going to keel over and die tomorrow if we lynch that slot today

Even though a max/GL team would make sense, I actually kinda liked GL slot initially because he seemed to be constantly reassessing his reads (on Clover in particular), so I would still prefer to not lynch GL until after a max flip

Dunnstral I think is probably just town. He seems to react more defensively to being scumread as town than scum

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Why do you dislike my vote on maxwell?

And my slot did vote guiltylion earlier but I’d prefer to lynch max and failing that, the beeboy slot today

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What changed your mind on max, Dunn?

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Kanna vote on GL is the worst thing I've ever seen. CSF has failed to explain.

What do you think I need to explain?

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They probably push Guiltylion next

I'm not really seeing this tbh. Looks like I'm on the chopping block tomorrow

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What about my read needs updating? It wasn't just page 2 pushes and during our interaction you didn't say much that would make me change my scumread on you. I don't see what part needs updating. You made about *checks* 20 posts after we were done talking and not all of them even were content worthy. Now you're talking about how scum are trying to set you up. I don't get what posts you've made that make it so I should change my read on you.

What did you think of his reassessment of his push on you?

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mfw everyone wants to nuke the bottom row

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They probably push Guiltylion next

I'm not really seeing this tbh. Looks like I'm on the chopping block tomorrow

I'd be voting you right now if I thought it made sense tactically. Actually might run the scenarios for that when I get a chance.

Remind me why you're scumreading me?

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Not impressed with Cat Scratch Fever's entry posts at all. Feel like random selections of posts to comment on, no real insight, riding off of things other people say. Doesn't improve my view of the slot at all.

This? I don't feel the need to repeat what other people say when I replace in, and I think I've made my reads clear soon enough after I replaced in. I don't think people need to come up with an original reason to scumread someone. Why is it scummy to agree with someone else on a read?

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Gl, why don't you think Clover and Blair are SvS?

Blair what are your thoughts on beeboy/dunnstral?

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Is it —[] time?

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And to everyone townreading Maxwell: Do you believe my arguments are completely baseless? Everything Maxwell has done has been townie?

Please name at least one solid point I've made so I know people are at least reading my posts.

Survey Says: No, no one is reading my posts. At least that explains this Orwellian gamestate.

I'm the second highest poster in this thread but everyone bar Clover is refusing to engage me in good faith.

Dunnstral is prob town, Clover is obv town, scum team is in {Maxwell | GuiltyLion / T-Bone}. They'll push you to mislynch Dunnstral today and Beeboy tomorrow, then Clover Day 3.

But we're putting Dunnstral at L-1 because we're so sure that Beeboy/CSF are scum (Beeboy maaaybeee but CSF has barely posted so this is a weird reach everyone has arrived at unanimously for some reason) and Blair is spooky too because ~reasons~ like how she wanted to talk game theory in the third total post of RVS and then responded to direct questions about that post, because apparently town!Blair ignores those questions to focus on scumhunting instead - which Maxwell claims she wasn't doing while *simultaneously* claiming that she had too many townreads based on sparse reasoning (almost as if there were *gasp* sparsely any posts yet), a problem Maxwell only avoided by deliberately lurking out of RVS so he could push terribad cases like these without being a complete hypocrite.

You see that mess of a run on sentence? You see what you made me do? You probably didn't read it anyway.

Look, I get it. I understand why some of you are sheeping this - some of you believe it and some of you are scum. But there are three townies minimum supporting this dumpster fire. I'm the only one pushing an actual case on anyone (yes, it's there, please go read my posts), while multiple townies coalesce around the same reads based on ostensibly ~nothing~ and I get repeatedly shaded for tunneling on obvscum.

I never want to become the sort of player who blames losses on bad towns, clearly I could have communicated something better or scum are just far more persuasive in this game than I have been; if it's the latter then well played and I respect it. I should have read the room better or something, I don't know. I'm going to take a step back here before I become a bad faith townie.

UNVOTE: Maxwell

I'll vote wherever you want me to for anyone outside my PoE who can summarize my Maxwell case accurately. Read my damn posts and I'll sheep you. The bar really is that low.

Nooo et tu Blair?

A dunnstral lynch will almost certainly be a loss if we’re both town. Can I interest you in a

VOTE: beeboy vote?

Pedit: welp nvm

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I don’t really think either of you were scum but let’s see

Sweet dreams all~

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Does anyone object to me just voting GL

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From my perspective there almost certainly has to be scum in the right column

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Maybe this was more to get rid of beeboy than anything else? If you look at things we're basically getting the same result: A lylo with the top left corner. Really this just seems like a trap to make us go off the path. It makes a lot of sense if scum is in GL/Blair but even if the scum really is in T-bone/Max/Myself we were agreeing to this f3 in the first place right? So really the paranoia and overthinking just seems like what mafia want.

I think the best play here is Guilty and Blair trying to give reads on the top left corner and who they think scum could be.

Who do you think it is- tbone or max?

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Worth noting it's possible we would have eliminated beeboy today, in which case mafia-Cat would be forced to shoot herself, leading to a forced lynch on Clover. How do you feel about cats, Clover Ebi; you're not too attached to them, are you?

I kind of doubt beeboy would have been lynched over me today

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Thanks for the moral boost Celeste. Everyone is so keen to find my supposed partner, it’s making me feel like an unwanted cat

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I think last night’s nk makes a bit more sense if scum have been distancing all game and setting up for 3p lylo

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I was prodded. Is it hammer time yet?

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gg