Open 789: Two-Fold 2d3 [Game Over]

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I'll start reading some of this game soonish.

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Is there anything particularly important to keep in mind when I'm catching up?

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3 pages in, obligatory gut reads: triplehaven likely town, menalque prob town (that feels wrong to say on a couple levels) Hiraki antitown, dannflor antitown but maybe not the same team. Dramonic not aligned with Hiraki... So maybe town.

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A penguin, a monkey, and an evil doctor walk into a bar...

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Ahhhhh I still think menalque is town but I have a tinfoil theory about Dram/menalque being a team making a hard but soft buss play. Based on dramonic interacting around menalque not with him.

Also may have misread the post I scumread Hiraki for as a Freudian slip where it wasn't.

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mena is still just town.

RCE talk about why TH likely town when you get a chance? that slot is currently the top wagon

Sure, knowing TH came from off-site (MU) first impression is probably something they would discuss in their PT if this is their first game and the likely would have been made known RVs is the common starting point here.

If it's not they would already know rvs is the norm and there isn't much scum incentive to go against that. So likely just town.

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Page 8-9. Probably won't get farther until after my shift.

I'm aware menalque didn't, that's why it's not a hard buss theory. Think of it like preemptive distancing.

Also TH asking in a PT would be the natural thing, otherwise your first impression to the rest of the player list is playing to a dumb tell and it likely leads to a lynch down the line.

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No, literally anyone that has more experience here than off-site.

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Ok. Why is TH scum?

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why is everyone in this game more focused on producing sassy one liners than actually engaging with people

Damn might be town.

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3 pages in, obligatory gut reads: triplehaven likely town, menalque prob town (that feels wrong to say on a couple levels) Hiraki antitown, dannflor antitown but maybe not the same team. Dramonic not aligned with Hiraki... So maybe town.

I don't know where you're at in your catch-up, but would you mind explaining the Dann read?

Initially it was the reach vote on triplehaven. It seemed to me that dann latched onto something he could skew as scummy when it really wasn't. The argument you could technically make for it being scummy is triplehaven being worried about wagonomics down the line and where they line up but realistically scum don't go into any game looking to push the RVs leading wagon to a conclusion and certainly not within 2 pages.

Then 160 reads phony since he contradicts the reasoning for his initial vote with information gained after the fact (TH giving the reason for their vote switch).

I think I generally default to scumreading dann due to a combination of our logics not aligning well and my perceived idea of what he is capable of as scum. I haven't seen it personally yet but I've heard of it from other players I respect enough.

He does seem to genuinely be evaluating his own reads, specifically on TH, to establish if he really scumreads who he says he does and that's good enough for me to focus elsewhere for the time being.

I still maintain he is not paired with Hiraki.

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I don't know who's voting who yet so, fair. Is that coming from, that reasoning isn't valid for this stage of the game? Or thats not a valid first take?

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UNVOTE: I'm a naughty naughty boy

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BTW, RCE totally ignoring my existence (my first post was on page 2) is SCUM indicative.

I will not fall to your mind games THIS time Monkey!

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I’d like to see crush slot post and I still want to hear from dunn and A50

I know this is the same session (at least for me) but I want you to NOT expect much from me at this time still. You know well (ar at least should) that I don't enter the game guns blazing (unless I am a replacement who got it with lots of substance readily available). You should be happy I am -at least- not meme'ing and shitposting enough. My mind is "elsewhere" for now, but I am "watching from the sideline" and will probably jump in sometime soon.

why the quotation marks
what does elsewhere in quotation marks mean
why are you implying that meme'ing and shitposting is scummy
wh

I have no idea "why you're asking these questions" and I don't like your post, but I'll answer "for the sake of answering".

1- Why the quotation: Using capitals is considered "shouting". Using bold/italics is considered "asserting". Using "quotations" is kind of "hinting".



2- I just told you I was "hinting". What, you can't take a hint?



OK, here's another: This is not the only game I am playing, nor is this my "one and only" account.

3- I did no such thing. I myself use memes a LOT, and it becomes annoying to "some" players.

4- And as for the last "wh".. I guess it's only proper to respond with:

Handsome post btw

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I'm not going to get into detail about Hiraki/menalque but I like dram's take on it minus getting to Dann!scum as a result.

It's kind of indicative there is at least 1 antitown involved since it took up a large majority of the early game and nothing useful came out of it. As in no one is interested in resolving it and leaving both slots increases mislynch potential.

Alternatively the antitown involved isn't confident in winning that battle(?) Possibly.

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Page 18. Triple may be lolcatting now.

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Chemist slot is bad unless he does the Chemist thing for redemption.

That should be apparent to several of you.

Chemist do the thing.

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@Bell: Temporal edited the OP before posting that you replaced in. Why I was looking at the OP in those 5 minute I don't remember tho.

Interesting actually.

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VOTE: Hiraki & Teacher

Won't count but I'll vote on whichever catches first.

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Dramonic is my second strongest TR after Mena still.
It's hard for me to think he was acting when dumping that huge case on Haven in front of me with obvious exasperation.

pedit: Okay.

I have an inverse read on Dramonic/teacher where I agree with where dramonic is landing but not the arguments. On the other hand Teacher has semi logical arguments I can follow along with but they aren't leading where they should, so I guess I'd describe his process as incomplete and empty.

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Hiraki & Teacher is not a valid vote as it is not clear which player Hiraki & Teacher corresponds to.

Bleh. VOTE: Teacher

Let me get a shotgun readslist Teacher.

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I did one not that long ago. Don’t think it’s changed. Good to know you’ve iso Ed me before your vote. Remember the last time you repped in w me?

I haven't iso'd anyone, I'm reading current posts and whatever has been posted up to page 22.

I think there is a highly probability there is scum within you, Hiraki, menalque, maybe Dunn but I'm townreading him currently. Would you agree?

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Teach
Mena Dann Hiraki
Bell Gamma Testa
Dram Jake A50
PP* Dunn Marashu

Well I was mostly interested in why you weren't sorting or pushing there.

Why are you agreeing with me if all 4 of the slots I mentioned are either you or your strongest townreads? (I have now iso'd you in a minor capacity)

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And why are you townreading Dunn? I mean, misreading someone is one thing, but pretending to be able to read that slot based on its content

I don't read dunnstral at all actually. But I do like where his head is at.

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I meant dann, autocorrect gets funky.

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Dann I'm townreading, but he's involved in that grouping of 4.

Dunnstral I'm not reading either way but like some of his inputs.

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Dunn's iso was short enough to read through and basically.... Mhmm mhmm head nod head nod.

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Spoiler:

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Err assuming you're town as well then scum just... Don't want to lynch town today?

That's what I'm getting out of that. Also conflicts with the sentiment scum is content with the gamestate, what do you think of that stance A50?

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Err assuming you're town as well then scum just... Don't want to lynch town today?

That's what I'm getting out of that. Also conflicts with the sentiment scum is content with the gamestate, what do you think of that stance A50?

What I get out of it is scum doesn't want to eliminate Jake. If Jake is scum, then it stands to reason his partner doesn't want to eliminate him. If Jake is town, it could be that scum just wants another claim. They might also be suspecting that Jake is part of the other scum team and don't want him removed yet, because scum don't know whether someone is town or part of the other scum team.

As for scum being content with the gamestate, I propose something different: 7/13 players have swapped out. It is very likely that at least one scum player has swapped out. I think it's possible that there's scum in a member who replaced in, who doesn't yet fully understand the game state and doesn't want to disrupt it for fear of standing out.

Thanks A50.

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You say clouded view. I say different perspective. I think town would be trying to look for a fresh take, and some of the people who have repped in have indeed done that.

Such as?

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Regardless of Jake's flip, the slots that are on wagon and don't directly scumread the slot look gross. I mean the slots that don't really care if he's town or not because he's not useful. Town is town in a game that you have a small margin for error.

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Scum/other scum don't have complete knowledge so it is following the same mindset. Basically what I'm saying is the wagon doesn't look clean beyond the slots that spent the time to advocate why Jake is scum in the first place.

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I think all that evil practice paid off, thank you!

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Teacher, how aware you are is disturbing.

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Lol I like you. I still think you're scum though.

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and good TR of PP since replacement, gives their position some weight as well

This isn't jiving with me? Your last readslist had PP on a scum tier and you two haven't had breakthrough interactions since then so walk me through your townread there.

Also fypov me/Dunn/ presumably Jake leaves 1 antitown slot making the Jake wagon a majorly town guided wagon regardless of input from the inactive off wagon slots no?

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Why say this rather than pointing out the people who are actually in this category?

This was mostly at Teacher and he knows this.

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Why say this rather than pointing out the people who are actually in this category?

This was mostly at Teacher and he knows this.

True, but the thing is (and what made it have scum tingles) is that -- by not naming names -- the post also applied just as much to Dann and Bell's positioning the same day and left you in a good position to push whatever way the wind was blowing and claim white knight cred/resisting the lynch.

I've voiced a townread on dann and bell wasn't on the wagon at the time.

Dunno how I'd be shading slots on the wagon that weren't actually on the wagon.

But I will acknowledge that Dann moving onto the Jake wagon disappointed me. Didn't change my read. That post was for you and to discourage people voting a slot they think can flip town over pursuing their actual scumreads.

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We didn’t know he was an investigator, we just thought he was a power role.

Dunno why rce thought it.
For me it was because when mena voted him and he voted him back it felt implied.
I also wasn’t familiar with dunn’s Lurky meta, he was more present in my other newbie game and I thought he was trying to make scum Choose between nking a potential mis-elimination that was actually a power role or killing obvious town. That’s a tough spot to be in, but role blocking solves that.

Late on this, Almost hit it on the head in the mafia pt. Also Dunn has a habit (fmpov) of poking trivial low info points as scum and generally throwing hard reads. The way he approached Teacher generally came off as "I can sort this slot myself so I don't really have to push that hard".

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Did not expect to die for poking the monkey lol.