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Post Post #0 (ISO) » Tue Sep 08, 2020 4:32 am

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Made this thread to naked quote this
Subject: Mini Theme 2161: Undertale C Open - Chara's Folly
PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:I don't really understand how a message of cheer, joy and peace could be not attractive? think of the example we are setting for the children if we begin murdering each other in cold blood on TV :(
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"Let us say that you are right and there are two worlds. How much, then, is this 'other world' worth to you? What do you have there that you do not have here? Money? Power? Something worth causing the prince so much pain for?'"
"Well, I..."
"What? Nothing? You would make the prince suffer over... nothing?"
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Post Post #1 (ISO) » Thu Sep 17, 2020 9:14 am

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...hahaha WHAT? I thought for sure I was going to live after how terribly I played the end of day yesterday. I have absolutely no idea what to think, now. (ノ)ʘ﹃ʘ(ヾ)
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Post Post #2 (ISO) » Thu Sep 17, 2020 9:21 am

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(●´ω`●)ゞ I was thinking something like Hectic town, Pooky town, Puppy obvtown, Chara town, Tweet town, and even tho I don't rly wanna, Prism town...wouldn't clear Tanner, interactions with elements not strong on a brief search. But I'm confused as to what scumteam in the lurker side of the PL kills me unless they're just really lacking in awareness and were going off me being mostly townread.
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Post Post #3 (ISO) » Thu Sep 17, 2020 9:42 am

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I guess the only viable alternative is that one of those potential townreads is the other goon and is just playing to deepwolf but that seems insanely risky. Maybe it is in fact tayl0r and, like, sujimichi or something and they just couldn't read the room...idk.
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Post Post #4 (ISO) » Thu Sep 17, 2020 10:10 am

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In post 1075, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:i feel tremendous remorse for wrongly burying catboi under a wall and would like to atone by starting an appreciation page for him.
Lol, my play was p. bad, no need for regrets. 10/10 would lose an argument to you again~
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Post Post #5 (ISO) » Thu Sep 17, 2020 11:42 am

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In post 1086, Tanner wrote:i wasn't really hoping for it, since i knew that such mass shift was very very unlikely. not impossible maybe. i don't actually know what i was hoping for. the townie in me is saying that i was hoping to at least get some info by people's reactions to it. the truth is probably closer to "i refused to vote for beeboy because i felt it was a silent consensus execute that 99/100 times flips town, and wanted my vote anywhere else so i could act high and mighty the next day for not being on the misfight wagon."
nvm Tanner is LOCK TOWN as that is a mind meld from beyond the grave, I felt this post in my ~soul~
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Post Post #6 (ISO) » Thu Sep 17, 2020 11:51 am

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I get people being worried about bussing but surely today with the scum in white flag mode, you look outside the voters? It makes essentially no sense to have bussed as vengeful chara and ultimately anyone attempting to deepwolf as the last is going to have to face a public double cop check and have to explain why they weren't shown as town. Put aside your fears of the deepwolf, everyone~
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Post Post #7 (ISO) » Thu Sep 17, 2020 12:38 pm

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If Lavender is, in fact, mafia, I will salvage a small part of my dignity, at least. Here's hoping for that?
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Post Post #8 (ISO) » Thu Sep 17, 2020 5:57 pm

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I feel really bad about how hard this setup is for scum
"Let us say that you are right and there are two worlds. How much, then, is this 'other world' worth to you? What do you have there that you do not have here? Money? Power? Something worth causing the prince so much pain for?'"
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Post Post #9 (ISO) » Thu Sep 17, 2020 5:58 pm

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but at the same time
"it makes essentially no sense to have bussed as vengeful chara"
I have to agree with that being a weak play that reduces my sympathy towards the scumteam
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Post Post #10 (ISO) » Fri Sep 18, 2020 10:00 am

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In post 8, Isis wrote:I feel really bad about how hard this setup is for scum
It's really townsided, even beyond just the EV math with regard to how restricted scum team ends up being in terms of their play and the potential to draw connections from that
Isis wrote:but at the same time
"it makes essentially no sense to have bussed as vengeful chara"
I have to agree with that being a weak play that reduces my sympathy towards the scumteam
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puppy coming out the gate trying to argue for spares is certainly...a look.
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Post Post #11 (ISO) » Fri Sep 18, 2020 11:07 am

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I always try to forgive myself by remembering how townisded the 1.0 version of the setup is

I'm likely to give up on fixing this setup and mod other things from now on. Hectic will be crushed.
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Post Post #12 (ISO) » Fri Sep 18, 2020 11:24 am

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yes Prism, I made sure spared scum and spared town don't behave differently for the buttercup trigger so that there isn't an investigative side effect. I am not
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"Let us say that you are right and there are two worlds. How much, then, is this 'other world' worth to you? What do you have there that you do not have here? Money? Power? Something worth causing the prince so much pain for?'"
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Post Post #13 (ISO) » Fri Sep 18, 2020 12:30 pm

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Conceptually I like the idea of vanilla with some special mechanics, this just tips the needle a bit too far. Could probably make it work with some balance tweaks.

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Post Post #14 (ISO) » Wed Sep 23, 2020 3:43 am

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In post 1327, Prism wrote:"Man, look at this. You're right that I'm town catboi, but it's entirely for the wrong reasons. Sad. My reasons for townreading you are spot on, though, dunno why you won't admit it."

cue Benny Hill theme as slapfight ensues
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Post Post #15 (ISO) » Wed Sep 23, 2020 6:40 pm

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Can you promise to do the kawaii wave in the next three games you play with Prism? He absolutely hated it and I want him to suffer
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Post Post #16 (ISO) » Mon Sep 28, 2020 4:56 am

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I did it in this one specifically because he told me he hated it after the last one I did it in, Lmao. Idk if I'll even play 3 more games with him but he guaranteed I will do it to him every single time we do play a game together again (*•̀ᴗ•́*)و ̑̑
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Post Post #17 (ISO) » Thu Oct 01, 2020 9:22 pm

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Hm, wouldn't the strongest play be to totally focus on players with Chara equity during D2? The people with normal scum equity should be available D3, 4, and 5. Assuming you can differentiate
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Post Post #18 (ISO) » Fri Oct 02, 2020 2:43 am

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You win either way if you hit scum. I think narrowing your focus may be a mistake if you end up focusing on indicators like lurking and ruling out certain players. IDK. Game looks really tough right now so I couldn't begin to say what they should do.
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Post Post #19 (ISO) » Fri Oct 02, 2020 11:46 pm

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You do win either way if you hit, and maybe you need every attempt at hitting scum you can take. I'm not sure. I feel like it's an interesting theory question, but it may be one that evaluates to "you should just vote for informed minority lmao"
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Post Post #20 (ISO) » Sat Oct 03, 2020 2:06 am

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I'm doing lots of schaudenfreude laughing right now, with all this deadline scrambling. It's great.
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Post Post #21 (ISO) » Sat Oct 03, 2020 4:55 am

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In post 9, Isis wrote:but at the same time
"it makes essentially no sense to have bussed as vengeful chara"
I have to agree with that being a weak play that reduces my sympathy towards the scumteam
it was a bad decision. i thought it was a good play for the associations it'd produce and the fact that it was obviously a play no one would consider. i didn't expect my whole team to lurk out on me. but it's ultimately my mistake, doesn't matter how town read i am if i screw up the basic strategy like that. :oops:
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Post Post #22 (ISO) » Sat Oct 03, 2020 4:57 am

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In post 20, Isis wrote:I'm doing lots of schaudenfreude laughing right now, with all this deadline scrambling. It's great.
if i had remembered that rule i would have played the tip-off different for sure, i would have built a second wagon competitor instead of canvassing to have my vote for the hammer

oh well! :P

what's the meme line? thanks for hosting, thanks everyone for playing, and i'll remember you all in therapy
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Post Post #23 (ISO) » Sat Oct 03, 2020 5:38 am

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ughhh you were just openwolfing at the end. i feel good that i caught you, but feel bad i didnt press harder.
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Post Post #24 (ISO) » Sat Oct 03, 2020 5:38 am

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the paranoid side of me still thinks chara could be scum, but its just lavender right?
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