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[Amélie]

Not too sure how RVS works but it seems to me like you just vote and that's it so,

VOTE: Gamma Emerald

[Amélie]

@amelie are you a novelty account based off of the movie by the same name?

I was not aware there was a movie called Amélie. I am interested in taking a look at it sometime over break though.
I searched up an OCEAN test and my results were:
83% O
58% C
37.5% E
71% A
46% N

[Amélie]

I'm a bit tired. It's 2 am here. I'll be logging off here.

[Amélie]

1. When was the first time you played mafia and do you remember if you liked it?

This is my second game of mafia and my first is ongoing.

2. Why are you playing this current game of mafia now?

I died in my first and had some extra time so I decided to sign up for another.

3. What is your favorite mafia-like game now? (including games like Among Us and Secret Hitler)

I don't play any other mafia like games.

4. How many people would you say you interact with offline on a typical day?

4-5.

5. How many people would you say you interact with online on a typical day?

Not counting the people I interact with offline, around 2-3.
Counting them, 6-8

6. How often do you tell stories?

Never.

7. Do you think that lying is ever OK?

I think there are times when it is fine but those times are pretty rare.

8. Do you lie more often online than offline?

Definitely yes.

9. How good are you at lying?

Not good.

10. Would you rather talk to someone in-person or online?

In person.

[Amélie]

What I'm most interested in right now guy with Bowie avatar, is if you're resisting my theory because you're conservative (and higher in conscientiousness) and you just resist change in general or if you're simply resisting it because you're running on instinct and picking a fight with the first person who catches your attention.

The David Bowie avatar makes me suspect you are higher in openness than you are in conscientiousness, but not as high as you are in extraversion and disagreeableness, so you're mainly just picking a fight with me in order to demonstrate you have some kind of social value and are barely reading anyone's posts besides your own.

I am very intrigued by this player as I have never seen someone approach a game of mafia in this way.

[Amélie]

I don't think your tendency to equate personality traits with scumminess is productive.

I don't think I agree with this though I do think there is room for error in approaching games the way Frogsterking is doing.

[Amélie]

NPOM is making sense. That should probably ping me, but it seems okay.

I don't quite understand where this is coming from.

[Amélie]

By the way I think for Day 1 I want to try to townblock and have a group of voices I trust to bounce ideas off of

I'm not getting anything out of the personality testing. I think we should go back to this.

I consider this a clear stance of siding with NoPowerOverMe and I'm not sure how to word this but "weakening" Frogsterking and his unique approach to mafia. I'm not sure what to make of this at the moment and I'll have to continue thinking about it.

[Amélie]

Currently I am thinking that a possible scum team could look something like NoPowerOverMe/Galron/Grendel.
This is solely based on their interactions and assuming that one is scum and trying to connect the dots after that. I am not confident but I'd like to say this for future reference for myself.

[Amélie]

VOTE: Amelie

I'm sensing some jealousy from those outside of the townblock. Not a town trait. Some things have to be earned.

There really isn't a town block if you ask me and no I'm not jealous of your messy hair.

[Amélie]

Back for a bit. Today I'm going to be carefully reading all of the thread. Before that, I want to state town reads on everyone voting me and scum reads on people that aren't taking stances on me/are town reading me.

I did a quick iso of myself in this game and my posts are extremely underwhelming and scummy looking. Anyone that doesn't see that is very likely scum.

[Amélie]

I haven't been putting effort or thought into this game and it shows in my posts. It's disappointing and I'm going to try to fix it.

[Amélie]

Beginning my reread.

By the way I have drawn town 9 out of 10 times and that sucks because I love playing as scum.

By the way I think for Day 1 I want to try to townblock and have a group of voices I trust to bounce ideas off of

Both of these sound overly fake. It's mostly a feeling but I think worth noting anyways.

[Amélie]

I'm resisting it because personality tests are dumb.

This is definitely overly defensive. I'm not sure if it has anything to do with alignment though, as NoPowerOverMe seems quite prickly.

[Amélie]

VOTE: LunarMartian

Right now my main scum reads are LunarMartian and NoPowerOverMe.

Between these two I find LunarMartian the most sketch.

Everyone else I read as town so far.

You clarified the reasons later so I will retract my comment towards this post.

[quote="In Everyone else I read as town so far.

Why am I town?[/quote][/quote] You se ... 96]post 62, Frogsterking"]

I don't think your tendency to equate personality traits with scumminess is productive.

I don't like the lack of insight here, I think NoPowerOverMe is smart and picking this fight for a reason. I believe that even if NoPowerOverMe were town and just couldn't follow what I'm saying he would be able to communicate his thoughts with more clarity because communication is his strength (and listening is his weakness.) He's acting like both communicating and listening are his weaknesses, but really he's good at communicating and is being evasive at certain moments by pretending to miss the point or by being unspecific about his thoughts.

By the way I have drawn town 9 out of 10 times and that sucks because I love playing as scum.

Something feels off about this post.

VOTE: NoPowerOverMe

I think Lunar Martian noticed something was off about NoPowerOverMe's post because they're super-conscious of being partners because it's new. Similar to my opinion of NoPowerOverMe's evasiveness and lack of clarity I find Lunar's description here about what he was thinking to be evasive in a way that also has a lot of potential to be AI.

So this kind of relates to my own "Let's assume they are scum and try to connect some dots" which I think maybe comes from town more but I've come to realize its not a great mindset.

Might I offer a really spicy hot take? NoPowerOverMe and Frogsterking are both scum. I might need to think on this take some more because its pretty spicy,

[Amélie]

This feels fake. I don't see why a read this early ever needs to be justified like this.

This was my comment. The quote broke for some reason.

[Amélie]

OK where did u find this?

You seem to ask this to everyone that has done it at this point, but you’ve indicated you want the OCEAN profile to be done

before

the other questions. Why are you getting like this at people doing things in the order you want?

Personality test are always the worst part of a hiring process when you submit an application for work

This post to this post also just feel like scum theatre to me. This is difficult.

[Amélie]

Slight town on you and frog null on everybody else

Why do you criticize everything your townread says? That just doesn't make sense to me.

[Amélie]

Interesting that frog is there too for you but okay. I personally think it’s great.

I think I can townread this even if only a little bit. This was something that stuck out to me.

[Amélie]

Trendell looking bad. All posts are about RQS, or are not game related.

Looks like snugg scum sliding by in the early game

Mongeral, Luca, and Ameile aslo fall into the same boat of sliding through early game as Trendal. Thier only content being about RQS. They obviously cant all be scum, but i would be surprized if it contained nothing but town.

-/-/-/-

Galroen looks ok, he can be town.

Lunar Martian is non-ai RVS and nothing else.

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I always get confused between Galron and Grendel

We both joined this game just to confuse you with our similar sounding names. It was allllll part of the plan!

I personally hate this. It feels to me like you're sorting based on post count whereas that is definitely not how this game works.

[Amélie]

this gives me town vibes. Paranoia is generally townie

rereading the post this is about, I agree it actually seems really really townie. My reason is not paranoia but rather, the relaxedness.

[Amélie]

I agree with Grendel's analysis in general

describes how I think after reading grendel's posts.
My scum reads are flipping to town reads too fast. Kind of bad but at least I have some sort of a reads list now.

Town: Frogsterking, Gamma
Null:
Scum: Grendel

Yes, I do seem to agree with everything they are saying but no disagreement is strange. townies generally have different thought processes that will clash in some way but the most "default" opinions are ones that everyone agree with and I think those normally come from scum.

[Amélie]

I'm not sure how to explain my thought process on the "default" opinion argument. It's hard to put into words but if anyone can help me out, that would be great.

[Amélie]

I'm not sure how to explain my thought process on the "default" opinion argument. It's hard to put into words but if anyone can help me out, that would be great.

Ok I've thought about it. I think the best way to think about it is that there are a bunch of people in a room. All of them have terrible eyesight except the scums. Scum can see things more clearly and speak lots of things that townies don't think of but the moment a townie sees the post they think something like "How did I not think of that?"

Scum know who is town and so they can find places where townies sound super townie whereas townie paranoia masks those posts making townies unable to see things like that.

I'm bad at explaining. This was the best I could do.

[Amélie]

trying to form a town bloc this early when most reads are made purely on gut and most posters aren't even in the double digits in terms of post count is uh

pretty terrible and i'm very wary of the people pushing it because it could very easily be scum trying to form early pockets so they have direct or indirect control of the game.

Grendel saying "I'd probably be unhappy with a town core" in 124 but then going off and asking for TR's in 131 especially strikes me so:

VOTE: Grendel

I like the grendel vote.
Add OutWorldER and Galron to my town reads.

[Amélie]

i generally think town blocs are an EoD/mid-late game thing and I don't like to people attempting to form them super early in the day because it leaves a lot of room for error and when done wrong it gives scum good ability to warlock the game

it's part of why I generally don't form a lot of TR's early in the game

regardless I did misread Grendel there so

UNVOTE:

mostly just biding my time at the moment, don't have a super good place to park my vote.

remove townread. you did misread. I liked the vote. didn't check the logic.

There is not really the point approximately 66% of players should be town and usually active posters are town so it's an educated guess and a decent strategy in my opinion

no.

NPOM is making sense. That should probably ping me, but it seems okay.

I don't quite understand where this is coming from.

This is the first npom game we've had where I haven't wanted to meet him by this point.

Interesting. that could be a red flag.

Although I understand why some players dislike some of your mannerisms I personally think you're fine to play with.

THanks for answering my question w/ regards to Outworlder.

-/-/-/-

I think that having competing wagons on Trendel and Amelie would be rad cool.

Of course its good to have the two largest wagons be people with 10 posts total. You can't ever defend yourself if you're not talking.

Mongeral, Luca, and Ameile aslo fall into the same boat of sliding through early game as Trendal. Thier only content being about RQS.

Then why are you picking on just trendel?

Also, what else are you expecting? The RQS suggested by frog was a breath of fresh air but at this point the game was open for less than 24 hours. There are two potential leads out of the random stage at this point. This was your only moment to get a string of posts out, with your only post being "I will post later tonight" so...

Very very good point. Could be partners? It's a stretch but I'm going to continue thinking about it that way for a bit.

I want to see more from Trendl and a couple others before we eliminate you.

Agree with Gamma Emerald. This statement is bold but I like it!

I didn't really understand what was happening for the first half of this last page I just read so I'm just going to pretend it doesn't exist.

[Amélie]

VOTE: Amélie

This is my strongest suspicion at the moment.

134 135 137 don't really add much to the situation.

138 is another example of saying something without really saying anything. It's the kind of thing I could see scum saying just for content's sake. I also agree with Gamma's 142 in response to this.

139 I completely disagree with her reads here, and it generally seems a lazy attempt at a solve to link all the supposed 'townbloc' as being the scum team.

I don't hate this but I don't tr either. My first null.

VOTE: Amélie

This is my strongest suspicion at the moment.

134 135 137 don't really add much to the situation.

138 is another example of saying something without really saying anything. It's the kind of thing I could see scum saying just for content's sake. I also agree with Gamma's 142 in response to this.

139 I completely disagree with her reads here, and it generally seems a lazy attempt at a solve to link all the supposed 'townbloc' as being the scum team.

For curiosities sake i would also like to hear what you think of Trendal, and Mommrangal.

-/-/-/-/-

Its gotten late on my end. Seeya tomarrow

I'm looking forward to bug Spray, and hopefully gambling pigs catch up.

I don't really have any read on Trendall. I'm not sure why, but I got a slight Town ping for how he was at first on board with the personality test and later turned against it. Perhaps as scum it would be easier to just stick to the chosen narrative, but overall not much to go on really.

Momrangal has a confident tone which makes me feel as though she might be Town, but still not a strong read as of yet.

Just looking through her posts now:

132 I don't really agree with her reply to Frogs here, that scum wouldn't soft a bus this early on, and I don't really think it's an important thing to highlight for discussion at this stage anyway.

188 I found it interesting how she used the word 'insulting' here, as though she had herself taken offence to what Frogster said. In the context of 'scum haven't posted much as they don't know how to lie', only scum would take offence to that. I actually agree with the point she is making here as I also have little time for Mafia on weekends, but an interesting choice of words on a subconscious level, perhaps. I'm not sure if I'm reading too much into that, but it's just something that caught my attention.

190 Says 'why only Trendall' in his defence when others have been inactive, which is far enough, but this kind of stance isn't doing anything to advance the game forwards, and she herself isn't voting or pushing anyone yet.

So with all this considered, I have her just below the null line.

Can I see the Trendall read as well?

VOTE: outworlder

Why the naked vote may I ask?

[Amélie]

Sorry about the spam. I'm completely caught up with a full set of reads and quite some confidence!

Town: Frogsterking, Gamma Emerald, Galron
Null: Luca Blight
Scum: Grendel, NoPowerOverMe

[Amélie]

I'm not sold on Amelie but for the townblock...

VOTE: bugspray

disliking this more and more.

I am about to answer all of Luca blight's question but their focus on me is unnatural putting them into my scum reads.

Interesting that frog is there too for you but okay. I personally think it’s great.

I think I can townread this even if only a little bit. This was something that stuck out to me.

I'm not really sure what you're townreading here, can you explain it a little more?

I had the same thought process. I tend to think similar thought processes are my alignment. There's certain thoughts that I think can't be faked when they aren't saying it for people to agree but rather just because they think it.

Can I see the Trendall read as well?

I'm not sure what you mean; I gave my (albeit limited) read on Trendall in that post.

Remind me what the read was? Townread or scumread?

Spoiler:

trying to form a town bloc this early when most reads are made purely on gut and most posters aren't even in the double digits in terms of post count is uh

pretty terrible and i'm very wary of the people pushing it because it could very easily be scum trying to form early pockets so they have direct or indirect control of the game.

Grendel saying "I'd probably be unhappy with a town core" in 124 but then going off and asking for TR's in 131 especially strikes me so:

VOTE: Grendel

I like the grendel vote.
Add OutWorldER and Galron to my town reads.

i generally think town blocs are an EoD/mid-late game thing and I don't like to people attempting to form them super early in the day because it leaves a lot of room for error and when done wrong it gives scum good ability to warlock the game

it's part of why I generally don't form a lot of TR's early in the game

regardless I did misread Grendel there so

UNVOTE:

mostly just biding my time at the moment, don't have a super good place to park my vote.

remove townread. you did misread. I liked the vote. didn't check the logic.

You'd automatically hand out a TR to someone who votes your scumread without even checking their reasoning?

I could maybe understand this in a scenario where you have a very strong reason to believe someone is scum, but this doesn't seem to be the case at all with your Grendel SR.

You're telling me it's a bad strategy. Ok but so?
I'm pretty new to mafia with 1 game here and 2 games elsewhere.

Spoiler:

Trendell looking bad. All posts are about RQS, or are not game related.

Looks like snugg scum sliding by in the early game

Mongeral, Luca, and Ameile aslo fall into the same boat of sliding through early game as Trendal. Thier only content being about RQS. They obviously cant all be scum, but i would be surprized if it contained nothing but town.

-/-/-/-

Galroen looks ok, he can be town.

Lunar Martian is non-ai RVS and nothing else.

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I always get confused between Galron and Grendel

We both joined this game just to confuse you with our similar sounding names. It was allllll part of the plan!

I personally hate this. It feels to me like you're sorting based on post count whereas that is definitely not how this game works.

Prioritizing the players with little content early-on isn't a bad strategy, and certainly isn't a reason for a strong scumread which Amélie is portraying herself to have.

Dont misrep me. My scum read is not based on that but rather that I think grendall is informed and their tone and the way they approach things doesn't feel right.

I've clearly explained that was more then just pushing "low activity" slots, im not sure if Amélie is missing that reasoning, or is ignoring it.

*@amelie*

You are ESL right? do you rely on translation software, or are you pretty fluent on your own?

Not asking it to be rude or anything. I've played with folks before who relied heavily on translation software before, and sometimes that caused us to talk over each other's heads.

I am ESL, correct. My English is fairly good though so I rarely have to use a translator.

[Amélie]

Luca Blight posts look good on the surface but I dont feel comfortable trying to phase his alignemnt thus far. I guess he's null, and I will keep an eye on him.

I feel like everything you two are saying is just making me believe you two are scum more and more.

Possibly, as I did catch them as scum in a previous game almost entirely based on their meta being so different to their town game.

I took a break from Mafia of about 7/8 months, however, so it's possible they could have improved their scum game in that time or generally changed their meta so we'll see.

I'd like to mention that one of the few times Luca is not talking about only me, it's because his scum buddy(I'm assuming Grendall is his scum buddy) is asking him questions about someone else.

I've kinda ignored Bug's Pray becuase I figured a Town!Frogking could sort that slot. I'd say that Im fine with that slot being flipped, but theres a lot of slots i feel that way about, which is concerning.

I think this post most likely comes from Mafia justifying a willingness to kill anyone over Town being unsure.

I'm listening. Keep talking. I'd like to hear more.

really damn slow game, not sure to attribute that to holidays or other reasons. It feels somewhat weird to me because Frogster definitely tried to establish themselves as a town leader figure and yet the game-state has stalled out with no actual pushes or wagons being decided upon. I'm starting to feel better about Frogster because of that since if he were scum I'd think he'd be propped up more by his team and his votes sheeped.

@Momrangal

who exactly was I discrediting there? I stated a worry about Frogster I shared with Galron and stated a read on NPOM.

You also disappeared a while ago so this is kind of hypocritical.

I've kinda ignored Bug's Pray becuase I figured a Town!Frogking could sort that slot. I'd say that Im fine with that slot being flipped, but theres a lot of slots i feel that way about, which is concerning.

I think this post most likely comes from Mafia justifying a willingness to kill anyone over Town being unsure.

Its not uncommon for me to give up on finding scum D1 and just be willing to vote anybody not in my TR's as the day goes on. D1 has its uses, but its the hardest day for finding scum. Knowing that can be demotivating. :/

what are some of your other reads so far?

This is a very different attitude than what you were saying prior to this if you still remember how you were approaching the game just days ago...

NPOM, amelie, and probably froggie are town in this game.

I especially like Amelie's train of thought posting. It's informative and transparent and something that is harder to fake for newbscum

I don't think this site much likes my posting. My last game on site, town voted me out the day I replaced in which was day 1.

[Amélie]

I'm not really sure how to read Amelie.

Why is that?

NPOM is making sense. That should probably ping me, but it seems okay.

i think this implies either they are in a hood together or that there is a strong history of these two together

I already asked a similar question which galron replied and said they had history.

grendel is town as fuck
like 262 is just so reasonable
he does some questioning with a pagetop that's worded in such an effective way. he asks questions that would cearly provoke different asnwers from town or scum and his paranoia is super healthy

also 162 implies that they are definitely neighbors or maybe masons. i don't think scum would make the kind of associative posts they are

apparently i thought grendel looked really town on page 7

amelie is scummy

i think galron's posting is towning especailly 101

VOTE: amelie

This is extremely weak.

My gut is telling me this is scum!Bugs.

I’ll reflect on it a little more.

The second time Luca comes in again not talking about me is when there are people already saying bugs is scum.
I think I can confidently say Luca is scum and bugspray is town.
I have no other way to read bugspray because they just look extremely scummy in everything they say.

[Amélie]

Town: Frogsterking, Gamma Emerald, Galron, bugspray
Not confident town: Momrangal
Null: OutWorldER, Lunar Martian, Trendall, AGamblingPig
Scum: Grendel, NoPowerOverMe, Luca Blight

This is a full list with everyone in the game.

[Amélie]

Trendall is scum.

I can see where this comes from. Definitely can.

[Amélie]

You haven’t really had the same thought process, though, as you SR NPOM whereas Gamma TR’s them and wants to townbloc with them, while you are against the townbloc. Gamma has simply noticed a pretty obvious detail (that NPOM was arguing against Frogster but wanted them in the townbloc) and you’ve used that to flip your read, which doesn’t seem like a very genuine progression.

Dont change the topic. My post was clearly saying that I agreed with Gamma Emerald that NoPowerOverMe town reading Frogsterking was strange.

[Amélie]

How is it unnatural? You’re one of my biggest SR’s so of course I’m going to focus on you more.

You have a 2013 join date. I think you should know why focusing on one person when their is plenty of other content is weird. Even if I am a scum read, this treatment is weird.

[Amélie]

UNVOTE:

VOTE: Bugs

I feel more confident about this atm. I really dislike Amélie‘s reads and the way she formulates them, but it could be a clash of play styles more than anything. She reminds me of the kind of player I’d tunnel and end up mislynching in the past.

VOTE: Luca Blight

[Amélie]

In the moment it seemed like she was spearheading the heck out of the town bloc that was forming. Thinking about it, she would make that play as both alignments since she obviously doesn't trust me, and/or NoPower. Tho i guess she trusts Nopower now.

No I believe both of you are scum.

[Amélie]

If im alive in the mid to late game and all the "null" reads in her list end up being town then Im gonna grant Amelie conf!town status. It'd be bonkers for a scum!Amelie to keep all the town players under the most pressure as just null reads, and hone in on players whole are more town read in general. This is more a note to myself for later. It can be dismissed if there is scum in her null reads.

This is quite scummy honestly. It almost feels like tmi to me.

[Amélie]

The thing about Amelie's agressiveness is, it's one thing to be aggressive in the "town spirit" and work with other town players in the name of hunting scum, it's quite another to be agressive towards players that are by and large being townread by the rest of the table. It could be the result of inexperience or it could be the result of scum with an agenda.

Why should I care what other people believe? Last game I was in, everyone believed I was scum. Should I have ignored my role pm and suddenly just think that is correct?

[Amélie]

It's a mistake to assume that because a player is new with this username they are new to mafia in general.

I think Amelie needs to convince us, not vice versa, she's the one being wagoned.

I have less votes than someone "in the town block"
If the town block is so weak that I can shake things up and that people are voting people in it, it means the town block was bad to begin with.
Telling me to take the majority's opinion into mind is just dumb. I have my own thoughts and the way to squash them is this way.

VOTE: NoPowerOverMe

I think NoPowerOverMe needs to convince us, not vice versa, he's the one being wagoned. What is this? E-3?

I am fairly new to mafia(with 3 games of experience on another site now) but you don't get to bully me for it. I don't get intimidated and I will not listen to you if I believe you are scum.

[Amélie]

Can anyone spot the irony here?

You unvoted because people were voicing an Amélie town perspective. There is no irony here and just because your terrible vote on me came off doesn't mean anything.

[Amélie]

I'm supposed to be worried about E3?

You made it seem like I was supposed to be worried at E-6 or something so I would assume you should be worried.

[Amélie]

11:30. I'm going to sign off here.

[Amélie]

I say this because Amelie and Bugs have practically nothing to say about each other.

I have nothing to say about any of my nulls. I have 4 scum partners then don't I?

[Amélie]

Hmmm...the players in my solve make up 3 of the 4 votes in my wagon. And the votes all come AFTER I voice my suspicions.

Feels very similar to day 3 of Mini Normal 2179.

This is day 1. If you are town, please stop assuming you are so incredible the entire scum team is going to stack on you day 1.
If they really want you dead, they can easily kill you at night.
Day 3, it is possible the entire scum team decides to move as a block because taking risks is what can get you a win sometimes.
My first game ever, I rolled scum and my team of 3 moved together like a block towards the end to get the win. But I have never seen scum move as a block day 1 and I doubt you have either.

You can't call something trash that you haven't read.

To put a long story short OutworldER was on a scum team with Flavor Leaf and one other dude. I drew town even night neopolitan and had a feeling about FL and OW because on day one OW quickhammered town and then FL called him obvtown because of it. There was a mass claim so I fake claimed VT to make sure I got to day 3. FL claimed town neopolitan day 3 and I countercalimed neopolitan. I correctly called out OW and FL as scum. Town still stupidly eliminated me, but the point is that I was right on my reads.

OW and FL made some not so nice comments about my play in the scum thread, so it's pretty obvious to me that OW is scum here and thinks I am an easy mislynch.

I don't have to read it to know scum never move together on day 1. This is pretty much common sense if you ask me.

[Amélie]

NoPowerOverMe has 3000+ posts and estimate 20+ games.

I don't believe he truly believes that out of the 4 people on his wagon DAY 1, mind you, 3 are scum meaning 1) he found the entire scum team day 1 and 2) the entire scum team is so afraid of him that they decided they couldn't even wait until night to kill him and piled onto him in a frenzy.

If he seriously believes this, I will be utterly shocked.

I think he's either trying to look incredibly stupid so people think his actions aren't scummy but rather just dumb. Or he's trying to set up some tunnels/parking spots for his attention/vote.

I don't think I see him ever being town here but in my last game, the person I was sure was scum on day 1 was town. So I'm willing to compromise on voting any of my other scum reads.

[Amélie]

That’s not true. I’ve seen scum move together plenty of times D1.

It’s common sense that if people generally believe scum wouldn’t move together D1, then scum would feel it’s quite safe to do so.

Inside of this small paragraph, though you never straight up said it, you are implying that I am scum, correct?

[Amélie]

I feel like the NPOM wagon is in essence a resistance to the townblock.

Your town block was created on page 5 or something. Stop mentioning it. If consensus wants you in the town block, you will be in it but consensus clearly doesn't.

[Amélie]

I'm not convinced wagons on bugs or npom are worth pursuing atm. They're both cryptic early gamers. Bugs we can ring up, but I don't know that we accomplish anything by pushing to claim. Npom sounds like his claim will be mundane.

Sigh...

I guess I should move just to get wagons moving

VOTE: lunar

what about OutWorldER

[Amélie]

I personally don't see much of a town Bloc.

Thumbs up. I hate the defense from NoPowerOverMe that is just whenever someone doesn't agree he is town, he jumps up and says they are attacking the town block.

He told me I was jealous which is pretty provocative and I don't see how anything good comes of attacking people off a terribly weak town block that no one really agrees with to begin with.

[Amélie]

seems inconsistent with your previous post that you thought scum was jealous about not being into the townblock. why would amelie feel the need to force herself in if there's already scum in the proverbial bloc?

This question wasn't directed at me but I'm pretty bored so I'll answer. The more scum in the townblock, the better for scum, right?

[Amélie]

Ok, I was just making sure that the claim was bs like I thought it was.

The only people that have an issue with it are those outside the block.

Who are the five people in it?

Me
Galron
Grendal
Frog
Gamma

Frog is still pushing you as scum here, but I do agree. The pushes against you are not only crappy as fuck but they are targeted at the largest voice within the block and someone who, if left alive could win us the game

New scum read. Not sure how to explain it so I'll try to later.
NoPowerOverMe is town if Momrangal is scum because this looks like pocketing.

[Amélie]

VOTE: OWER

well, ok. Your alignment should be telling after this

Really dislike this right here.

There’s no reason or analysis behind any of your points.

What happened to Gamma or I being scum?

Why do you prefer a Trendall elim to Bugs? Do you TR Bugs?

I thought either you or Gamma was scum based on the way you both were trying to paint bugspray as scum for really odd reasons. Now I'm thinking you are scum and just latching onto Gamma's strange push.

I don't really know if bugs is Town, but I don't think Trendall is aorn. I still don't understand why people are voting bugs and no one has even attempted to explain it afaict.

Your last line is ironic. I’ve explained my Bugs SR way more than you’ve explained anything this game.

I said I’ve had success reading Bugs as both alignments in the past, and I can see based on their behavior this game, and for the reasons I outlined, that they are clearly scum!Bugs this game. Bugs themselves didn’t challenge my reasoning regarding this, so who are you to imply it isn’t valid?

It seems to me that all your reads have an agenda behind them; you’re not sorting in a natural way.

"I'm not scum. You are!"
My scum read on Luca definitely stands.

Ok, I was just making sure that the claim was bs like I thought it was.

The only people that have an issue with it are those outside the block.

Who are the five people in it?

Me
Galron
Grendal
Frog
Gamma

Frog is still pushing you as scum here, but I do agree. The pushes against you are not only crappy as fuck but they are targeted at the largest voice within the block and someone who, if left alive could win us the game

I’m surprised you don’t think the intensity of the NPOM wagon could be due to the fact that scum have been heavily wagoned themselves. To me it looks like a deliberate counter-wagon.

I quoted the wrong thing. But see the momrangal quote inside. It is really nasty if you ask me.

That is an interesting prospect, but not one I’m sure is worth fully entertaining rn. I myself have a hit-or-miss radar when it comes to wagonomics, but I’ll offer that I feel like I’m starting to hit more than miss these days.

Starting to dislike gamma. Im about to swap Gamma and NoPowerOverMe.

Gamma is the one i think i trust least out of that group. He's challenging to get a read on in general.

I do agree with this currently. I'll be lifting this to a null for a while.

I could see replacing Galron with Amelie if the rest of the bloc is up to it.

Didn't you think I was scum just like one day ago?

[Amélie]

Town: Frogsterking, Galron, bugspray, NoPowerOverMe
Null: OutWorldER, Lunar Martian, Trendall, AGamblingPig, Grendel,
Scum: Gamma Emerald, Luca Blight, Momrangal

I'm actually considering lifting Luca Blight because of his interactions with my scum reads being a good look but I'm going to hold off on that for a bit.

[Amélie]

Town: Frogsterking, Galron, bugspray, NoPowerOverMe
Null: OutWorldER, Lunar Martian, Trendall, AGamblingPig, Grendel,
Scum: Gamma Emerald, Luca Blight, Momrangal

I'm actually considering lifting Luca Blight because of his interactions with my scum reads being a good look but I'm going to hold off on that for a bit.

And how would that affect your Bugs read? Isn’t your Bugs townread based entirely on me being scum?

I'm fine with moving that to null. I don't really have a strong read on them anyways.

[Amélie]

Amelie what is your general process for forming reads?

I don't honestly know. I think I'm too new for me to have an established way to sort. I just try to the best of my ability to find scum and that's it.

Frogster why is your ocean test better than rvs and why didn't you link us all the same one and also post your results? NPOM and Galren might be beside one another in this wagon and I'm here to back them up

This is the post that made me gut read bugs as town at the beginning of the game. I believe it appeared town to me because I took his question as an

implication

he was thinking about scum hunting. The rest of his posts since then have looked pretty weak.

At this point I'm the most open to eliminating Lunar. Before the end of D1 I would like to see what can be done about sorting the remaining slots.

Right now I've got
Townbloc:
Gamma, Grendel, Galron, NPOM, myself
Town:
Luca, Amelie, momrangal
Null:
Trendall
Scum:
Lunar and some combination of the last few

I hate your reads a decent amount. There are way too many town reads.

VOTE: lunar martian
Might as well

I hate this vote. You never really scum read Lunar Martian until recently.

Actually I don't think either of these wagons now are any good.

I agree. Both are in my nulls.

I"m good with executing Lunar Martian, especially after that last paranoid post where he though Luca was talking about him. That sounds like a caught (and not paranoid town) maf.

I have a null on Lunar Martian currently and am not really willing to vote them. On top of that this wagon built up way too fast. This is more fitting of the "scum trying hard to form a counterwagon" than NnoPowerOverMe's wagon.

sounds good VOTE: lunar martian
that's l-1

I hate this vote as well. I really dislike this wagon. It built up too fast and out of basically nowhere. I don't support it at all.

567 looks like it's coming from scum!luca who KNOWS that it's going to flip red and is trying to make it look like i'm the one who is actually going to bus

Disagree.

The last pages have been super annoying to read for me. I feel like everyone is being super scummy regarding this new wagon on Lunar.

[Amélie]

I think I've seen enough to say I empathize with Lunar Martian, dislike the wagon, and will defend them.
I believe I would even willingly compromise on bugspray rather than vote here.

[Amélie]

I'm going to head off to bed now. It's pretty late.

[Amélie]

I've skimmed the whole thread and am about to comment on some things I think are important

@lunarMartian

Can i get a binary reads list, (ei just names, dont worry about explanations right away), for the whole roster?

Im sorry you are not enjoying yourself. If you want to talk to me I'll be up several more hours EST time, and Ill try to keep an eye on the thread in between other things.

I stand by the play to make if you have a confirmable town pr, (Innocent child, a killing role, day ablity,etc) is to just out it now. That way we'll have more time to hunt real scum before EoD. But thats your MO I guess.

Grendel officially moved back down to scum. I just don't like what I'm seeing. Feel like this is a great way to try to pocket Lunar Martian. I just don't like it.

If needed I can claim, but I prefer not to obviously. I'm not really willing to claim when half the people voting me haven't stated any reasons though. There's time, why don't the people voting me try to talk to me a little?

That’s a bit hard when you repeatedly avoid questions.

What are you reads?

I've shared my thoughts. If you aren't even going to bother reading what I write we aren't going to get very far.

And if you’re not gonna bother to engage with me about your thoughts then what do you expect me (or anyone else who SR’s you) to do here exactly?

You’re crying woe is me but not pushing in any direction. Have any of your reads changed recently? How do you feel about a Bugs elim?

Don't ask questions I've already answered. Read what I've written already. This isn't real engagement. You aren't doing anything. You're trying to look busy.

I'd like to say that there was a lot of really ugly and nasty looking misrep surrounding this post from Lunar Martian by Luca Blight. Luca will stay in my scum reads.

[Amélie]

Spoiler:

Trendall** - Mafia
AGamblingPig*** - Who?
Momrangal - Not really sure.
bugspray - Not sure, no reason to kill them.
OutWorldER** - Mafia
Amélie - Town
Gamma Emerald - Town
Grendel - Probably Town
Galron* - Not sure
Lunar Martian - It'sa me!
NoPowerOverMe - Mafia
Frogsterking - Not sure, thinking Mafia.
Luca Blight - Mafia, big time.

The list you asked for.

There are a lot of scum reads but this list isn't that bad.

Apparently there are 5 mafia and 8 town in the his game.

This is pretty shady. Reconsidering my read on NoPowerOverMe. Final decision will hopefully be made today.

I dont this this 1v1 between Lunar and Luca is heppful for ethier party. If both of you are town then maybe chill out for a minute.

-/-/-/--/

Lunar did you see the question I asked you about Gamma?

What do you mean "If both of you are town"
This sentence doesn't feel right.

Lunas lack of town hunting is pinging me big time.

They have a December join date and I believe you should cut them some slack due to that.

How can I follow up on questions I ask you when you flat out refuse to answer?

And the questions you repeatedly avoided earlier (like about me or Gamma being scum) I did follow up on.

Point to a question you asked, and a place where I attempted to answer it. Then explain why my answer is insufficient. Then I'll answer more. I don't think I've ignored any questions.

I’ve done all of this already. I just gave the example of you SR’ing me or Gamma which you avoided for ages, and I explained why your eventual answer was insufficient.

I’ll give you ten minutes to claim, and then I’m hammering.

I hate this way too much VOTE: Luca Blight

[Amélie]

Spoiler:

wdym site meta WIFOM?
Also Luca’s slow burn to hammering is intriguing.

I don't really see why you say this.
If Luca had immediately hammered, everyone would say its scummy for hammering that fast.
If Luca stalls, everyone says he's stalling and that stalling is scummy.
No matter what Luca does here, he's going to probably look bad assuming that Lunar Martian is town of course.

*@all currently here*

Do you think that Luca is a player that 1v1's town as scum here in this context?

I think most scum hammers more more like a "swoop" then a "slow burn" (as Gamma called it)

He never hammered. He just disappeared is all.

I think of the players active in this engagement Nopower actually looks worse then the rest via him negging Lunar from the sidling's. I dont think its beyond his town game to do something like this as he loves messing with people and giving out lots of witty comebacks as a signiture part of his style. (I wanted to do a trademark symbol over "witty comebacks" but idk how lol)

Gamma looks pretty good in his approtch to all this and i feel he came to a similar conclusion I had come to before I fully came to it.

Luca looks frustrated. I think the question is if its more liekly to come from town or scum. I WANT to say it comes from town but im not sure yet. I need to think more on it. (Hence me asking)

Lunar Im still sorting rn

It would be great if all are town but idk just.

I feel like this is either a huge play style clash or you are scum. I hate nearly every post you post.

the more i think about the more i feel like Luca could have, (as scum), acted really offended and hammer before Gamma came out and unvoted. Like Luca, and Lunar where going back and forth a couple hours. That plenty of time to justify a rage hammer. So this means Luca is probably town here. Good Good.

No. I don't agree and my scum team guess of Luca/Grendel is just solidifying more and more for me.

I think I'd like to go for Trendall or OutWorldER. Failing that, NoPower or Frog.

VOTE: Trendall

I thought your top scum read was Luca Blight?

[Amélie]

My current solve: Luca Blight, Momrangal, Grendel.

[Amélie]

I asked you earlier, who do you even think is the scum that was commandeering that wagon?

A town wagon doesn't necessarily have to be scum driven. I haven't paid all that much attention to Lunar's wagon. All I know is that I dislike it but my scum reads really don't have much to do with this wagon.

[Amélie]

I'm interested in what you make of the pig and outworldER slots, Amelie. I know there is not as much to go on; but can you extract any information on their alignment?

AGamblingPig seems to really like narrating events is what I gather from that.
OutWorldER confuses me.

The answer to your question is no I really don't have any idea how to read these two players.

[Amélie]

Strange timing but I'll reply in a bit. On the phone right now.

[Amélie]

The gist of it is that I think OutWorldER sometimes seems really scummy but sometimes ok. I cannot tell if it is just play style clash.

[Amélie]

Amelie's takes bother the crap out of me
Amelie what do you tend to look for when reading people? I asked you a similar question earlier but I don't recall an answer.

You recently said you reviewed my posting and thought me town. Then soon after I moved you to my scum reads and this post followed.
Can you talk to me about how you are thinking?
I did answer the question and if you cannot find it, I can quote it for you later. I have to get to work in a few minutes.

I was just working on a post pointing out how our intuition can manifest itself as anger, and Luca and I have both been triggered by Lunar.

I was about to point out that Amelie and Grendel have both been defending Lunar and arguably gaslighting.

Then I saw your post, and the fact that you're now being triggered by Amelie is a sign to me she needs to be resorted.

I do not understand this thought process at all.

Based on her test and her behavior I believe Amelie is extraordinarily high in this subtrait of openness:

"Liberalism. Psychological liberalism refers to a readiness to challenge authority, convention, and traditional values. In its most extreme form, psychological liberalism can even represent outright hostility toward rules, sympathy for law-breakers, and love of ambiguity, chaos, and disorder. Psychological conservatives prefer the security and stability brought by conformity to tradition. Psychological liberalism and conservatism are not identical to political affiliation, but certainly incline individuals toward certain political parties. Your level of liberalism is $flev[18]. "

http://www.personal.psu.edu/faculty/j/5 ... tions.html

I seem to be thinking this alone wouldn't cause you distaste because you also seem very liberal, Gamma.

I'm looking at the second half of Amelie's questionnaire with a little twinkle in my eye now.

Why the twinkle? I'm quite curious.

I don't think game solving on Day 1 is all that helpful. It's more distracting than anything. Let's get an elimination and a night under our belts and then assess where we're at.

I do quite agree with this but my main reason is just because I don't agree so that's quite unfair of me.

UNVOTE:

Was following this game before replacing in, so that's cool. Maybe I'm weird, but I don't think Lunar is especially likely to be scum. The wagon on them seems to be more motivated by them not getting along well with people here than by them being scummy. I don't see scum so blatantly drawing attention to themselves, especially if they have a nervous personality. I don't like the wagon either. Galron and Bugspray's votes both feel like "well here's a wagon, might as well vote it," and then there's frogster. I don't like how they've been convinced Lunar is scum since Lunar's first post and haven't wavered since, even as they reevaluate every other slot. It all feels like an inertia wagon.

I'm not

completely

sold on Bugspray being scum either, but I like their wagon comp a lot better. I think NPOM and Luca are town. Gamma too, with the caveat that I've read a lot of games he's been in and liked his posting regardless of alignment. OutWorldER is a big ??? because so few posts, but their vote here feels... fine? I kinda like it, but can't find the words to say why. My only doubts are because I get the feeling that the inconsistencies in their thought process and read progression might actually just be their personality.

Why the hell did this post take me like 2 hours to write, what the hell. I don't really have a strong impression on Grendel, Trendall, Mom, or Amélie, and will work on them next time.

@Luca (and anyone else with Bugs meta): Do you think bugs' scummy-looking behavior could be their personality, or am I off base?

@Frogster: Do you want me to do that OCEAN thing? What do you think the odds are that Lunar is town with unusual temperament versus pretty obvious scum? Also, can you walk me through the progression there? It's not super clear where and why they became your most consistent scumread.

Wow, I really am not sure what to make of this post. I'll have to give it some time.

Alright, Im caught up and now I have to get ready for work.

[Amélie]

There are too many pages. I will catch up after work.

[Amélie]

i'm a backup neighbor lemme quote the crumb/soft

I have not read up but is this role confirmed to be town like a mason or can it be scum?

[Amélie]

If todays choices are Bugspray and Lunar Martian, I actually prefer Lunar Martian over Bug spray now. The claim is a really strange role that doesn't seem like a scum fake claim to me.

[Amélie]

Spoiler:

I'd say you're allergic to me lol. If you can think of a reason every single post a player makes is scummy then you're trying very hard to make the player in question look scummy in your mind.

If this is where it stands then im not sure if theres much point in me engaging you this game.

You asked about why I said "if you're both town then chill out" w/regards to the Lunar Vs Luca thing. Its a means of discouraging self-destructive town tendencies, its a net neutral as far as telling scum it i think? "if you're both town" just appeals to a player's better nature in general. I use the phrase pretty regularly in most games i play.

The bolded is what I find unsettling in this post. My Grendel scum read is definitely still there.

That interesting b/c the whole "keeping up with the game, and summarizing whats happening" is a crutch i leaned in hard on when i was inexperienced scum. Players are less liekly to turn on you when you say mostly uncontroversial things as a newer player in site meta. I will have to read AGambling Pigs posts agian as I dont recall them v well.

They had only 5 posts so I'm not sure it really meant much.

"Quick lets flip this inactive slot before we get a replacement!" Froggking looking really town if AGB slot turns out to be mafia.

This is a super bad way to describe this and makes Frogsterking look particularly bad if ORAM ever flips town. I dislike ORAM's posts but I dislike the way you are approaching them even more.

Not really sure about the idea of flipping ORAM today since its so low info tho.

This feels like you want it to happen later so Frogsterking can die right after.

I think Grendel is right to point out that ER has been inactive since pressure started to build on them. The pressure consequently dissipated, and they have remained inactive except a quick comment after being prodded.

Who is "ER"?

Lunar standing in the face of death and actively tempting Luca to hammer runs contrary to how survivalistic most scum are. It would be safer in that situation to just go ahead and (fake)claim and hope for the best as scum. Lunar actively spiting on that notion and aggressing the players active in that point of time is pretty inline with town behavior.

in short i think Lunar is more likely town then scum.

I get where you’re coming from, but I could also see that behavior coming from scum who know their time is up/are getting bussed.

I do think Bugs is the more likely scum of the two, and my recent meta-dive reinforces this belief.

I feel like if Bugspray was scum, they could just claim something really powerful and they'd be safe for the rest of this game. What they claimed doesn't match that description.

I'm willing to hammer Lunar, ORAM, and bugs today in that order of preference. I'd be pretty stunned if there isn't at least one scum in this group and not very stunned at all if there are three.

Nulls I have are Trendall and OutworldER.

I townread everyone else. If one of my townreads is wrong my first pick would be Amelie as a proxy read off Gamma's intuition and my second pick would be NPOM because of his profile. There is also a weak associative tell I pointed out between the ORAM slot and Momrangal.

I think I'm going to drop Frogsterking to a scum read. It feels to me like he is looking for the easy pushes.

I feel like this is either a huge play style clash or you are scum. I hate nearly every post you post.

Curious why frogster didn’t address this when bringing up that point about emotion before
Btw I think part of the problem with your posts Amelie is you put your thoughts behind the spoiler= tag so it’s harder to engage with.

If I did not put them in spoilers, people might complain about their length.

@NPOM and the other anti-s: still this personality stuff is bullshit?

I did not read that entire block of text. If Frogsterking can summarize it and make it shorter, I am willing to read it.

You recently said you reviewed my posting and thought me town. Then soon after I moved you to my scum reads and this post followed.
Can you talk to me about how you are thinking?

That isn’t an accurate representation of the timeline
I feel like it’s hard to parse out what factors into your reads so they come across as baseless and random

Amelie is a bit disorganized but, she posts stream of thought posts in the attempt or organize and communicate her thoughts and ideas which I maintain is difficult for newer scum to do. It looks like to me that her mind is moving much faster than she is able to get down on paper and it does show that she is trying to solve a puzzle vs trying to manipulate the situation to make it look like she is solving a puzzle.

I don't think scum defends me here and this is a very accusation representation of my play. I am very overwhelmed by the amount posted and am always catching up again and again. Momrangal moved back up to a townread.

yeah that kinda seems to be the case imo as well
your breakdown of me v. Amelie and grednel v. Amelie really made that click I think. It also covered my question towards you before of you you weren't factoring in Amelie's own distaste for Grendel, fwiw

I thought you just called Frogsterkings personality tests bullshit.

VOTE: bugspray

I'm not entirely confident on this but I'm going with the consensus

This is the worst vote on bugspray so far. Im dropping this to null.

For now, since the deadline is coming up and no one particularly agrees with my reads, I will compromise and

VOTE: Lunar Martian

[Amélie]

Town: bugspray, Momrangal, ORAM
Null: OutWorldER, Lunar Martian, Trendall, Frogsterking, NoPowerOverMe, Galron
Scum: Gamma Emerald, Luca Blight, Lunar Martian, Grendel

[Amélie]

If todays choices are Bugspray and Lunar Martian, I actually prefer Lunar Martian over Bug spray now. The claim is a really strange role that doesn't seem like a scum fake claim to me.

You had me as Town, but now that you prefer bugs over me suddenly bugs is Town and you think I'm Mafia? That's very odd and unexpected. I don't understand.

For the sake of getting an elim today, you are now in my scum reads. I think bugs as scum could claim something more important like cop or vigilante. Because of this I believe the claim is real. Alignment we can slowly figure out along the way. No one here is willing to elim anyone except you and bugspray.

Amelie’s reads have made absolutely no sense all game.

On what basis is ORAM a townread?

This is very rude. I can't remember why honestly speaking.

Someone said earlier that bugs was a creative player. As a backup neigbor, what couldn't they come up with a better back-up fakeclaim?

Is this a counterclaim?

Spoiler:

I'd say you're allergic to me lol. If you can think of a reason every single post a player makes is scummy then you're trying very hard to make the player in question look scummy in your mind.

If this is where it stands then im not sure if theres much point in me engaging you this game.

You asked about why I said "if you're both town then chill out" w/regards to the Lunar Vs Luca thing. Its a means of discouraging self-destructive town tendencies, its a net neutral as far as telling scum it i think? "if you're both town" just appeals to a player's better nature in general. I use the phrase pretty regularly in most games i play.

The bolded is what I find unsettling in this post. My Grendel scum read is definitely still there.

That interesting b/c the whole "keeping up with the game, and summarizing whats happening" is a crutch i leaned in hard on when i was inexperienced scum. Players are less liekly to turn on you when you say mostly uncontroversial things as a newer player in site meta. I will have to read AGambling Pigs posts agian as I dont recall them v well.

They had only 5 posts so I'm not sure it really meant much.

"Quick lets flip this inactive slot before we get a replacement!" Froggking looking really town if AGB slot turns out to be mafia.

This is a super bad way to describe this and makes Frogsterking look particularly bad if ORAM ever flips town. I dislike ORAM's posts but I dislike the way you are approaching them even more.

Not really sure about the idea of flipping ORAM today since its so low info tho.

This feels like you want it to happen later so Frogsterking can die right after.

I think Grendel is right to point out that ER has been inactive since pressure started to build on them. The pressure consequently dissipated, and they have remained inactive except a quick comment after being prodded.

Who is "ER"?

Lunar standing in the face of death and actively tempting Luca to hammer runs contrary to how survivalistic most scum are. It would be safer in that situation to just go ahead and (fake)claim and hope for the best as scum. Lunar actively spiting on that notion and aggressing the players active in that point of time is pretty inline with town behavior.

in short i think Lunar is more likely town then scum.

I get where you’re coming from, but I could also see that behavior coming from scum who know their time is up/are getting bussed.

I do think Bugs is the more likely scum of the two, and my recent meta-dive reinforces this belief.

I feel like if Bugspray was scum, they could just claim something really powerful and they'd be safe for the rest of this game. What they claimed doesn't match that description.

I'm willing to hammer Lunar, ORAM, and bugs today in that order of preference. I'd be pretty stunned if there isn't at least one scum in this group and not very stunned at all if there are three.

Nulls I have are Trendall and OutworldER.

I townread everyone else. If one of my townreads is wrong my first pick would be Amelie as a proxy read off Gamma's intuition and my second pick would be NPOM because of his profile. There is also a weak associative tell I pointed out between the ORAM slot and Momrangal.

I think I'm going to drop Frogsterking to a scum read. It feels to me like he is looking for the easy pushes.

I feel like this is either a huge play style clash or you are scum. I hate nearly every post you post.

Curious why frogster didn’t address this when bringing up that point about emotion before
Btw I think part of the problem with your posts Amelie is you put your thoughts behind the spoiler= tag so it’s harder to engage with.

If I did not put them in spoilers, people might complain about their length.

@NPOM and the other anti-s: still this personality stuff is bullshit?

I did not read that entire block of text. If Frogsterking can summarize it and make it shorter, I am willing to read it.

You recently said you reviewed my posting and thought me town. Then soon after I moved you to my scum reads and this post followed.
Can you talk to me about how you are thinking?

That isn’t an accurate representation of the timeline
I feel like it’s hard to parse out what factors into your reads so they come across as baseless and random

Amelie is a bit disorganized but, she posts stream of thought posts in the attempt or organize and communicate her thoughts and ideas which I maintain is difficult for newer scum to do. It looks like to me that her mind is moving much faster than she is able to get down on paper and it does show that she is trying to solve a puzzle vs trying to manipulate the situation to make it look like she is solving a puzzle.

I don't think scum defends me here and this is a very accusation representation of my play. I am very overwhelmed by the amount posted and am always catching up again and again. Momrangal moved back up to a townread.

yeah that kinda seems to be the case imo as well
your breakdown of me v. Amelie and grednel v. Amelie really made that click I think. It also covered my question towards you before of you you weren't factoring in Amelie's own distaste for Grendel, fwiw

I thought you just called Frogsterkings personality tests bullshit.

VOTE: bugspray

I'm not entirely confident on this but I'm going with the consensus

This is the worst vote on bugspray so far. Im dropping this to null.

For now, since the deadline is coming up and no one particularly agrees with my reads, I will compromise and

VOTE: Lunar Martian

Summary of my big post:

1) Big-picture wise Gamma, Grendel, and Amelie all have very intuitive personalities (Openness) that are roughly similar.

2) Gamma and Grendel are primarily applying logic while Amelie is primarily relying on her intuition.

3) Looking at sub traits, Gamma has a slight preference for Order which could become a target for Amelie who is going off her intuition because it naturally clashes with Openness. Grendel has a slight preference for Cautiousness which could also become a target for Amelie; both because it also clashes with Openness and because it can often be a scum tell.

While writing the post I understood Amelie's process more and felt confident again that Amelie is town. I believe Gamma had a similar experience.

Momrangal coming in with her second opinion, which included that my second-guessing of your alignment was a waste of energy and was making her irate, caused me to become more confident in my town read on Momrangal, ironically making the process worth it FMPOV.

I don't think this entire game should just be written off by saying I scum read people because of personality clash. You make it seem like I could never have a correct scum read.

We're just discussing if the fake claim is viable or not. I'm leaning no, because he hasn't been very active and I feel with a lame role like backup neighbor he'd be more active.

Why does lamer role = more activity?

[Amélie]

There's a little voice inside my head that's talking me into hammering bugs.

Dont. I think we need to shift off bugspray right now.

[Amélie]

I think we shouldn't elim anyone that doesn't claim vt day 1.

[Amélie]

Why the urgency? And why does you thinking bugs is Town suddenly mean you don't think I'm Town anymore. You had me as Town before.

The elim is between you two. I don't particularly scum read you but I prefer you over bugspray.

[Amélie]

so are we gonna elim lm, amelie, or ower today? i will hammer anyone but myself rn and when its like an hour to go i'll selfhammer too

Lunar Martian is the popular pick and I think we need to hurry otherwise we might not have enough time to ask for a claim.

[Amélie]

@Amelie

In regards to 873 I definitely think you can get accurate scum reads and that personality clashes are not going to explain everything. For one thing, the things you pointed out about Grendel are very similar to ways I've been played in the past, and had you not posted 873 I wouldn't really have been aware of that as a possibility. If the town block is indeed all town or mostly town I'm expecting them to be dying first, so when Gamma suspected you might be full of shit I wanted to talk it out with him sooner rather later.

That post was an exaggeration but I do feel like there is a play style clash of some sort between Grendel and I. I don't believe that means my scum read is definitely wrong but it is making me hesitate.

so are we gonna elim lm, amelie, or ower today? i will hammer anyone but myself rn and when its like an hour to go i'll selfhammer too

Lunar Martian is the popular pick and I think we need to hurry otherwise we might not have enough time to ask for a claim.

lunar softed being a tpr

I didn't see that but if Lunar did soft it, I'd like confirmation that Lunar is not vt. A quick yes/no from Lunar would be enough for me. Not vt could mean a lot of things so I'd just like confirmation. If Lunar says that yes, they are not vt, I believe everyone needs to unvote and we need to have some lengthy discussions about where to go.

Wait. It's the opposite. bugs is town.

Sorry, I'm used to games with daytalk, so that change in rules means bugs just town told instead of scum told.

Please explain this. I don't see where Bugspray scum or town told.

We're just discussing if the fake claim is viable or not. I'm leaning no, because he hasn't been very active and I feel with a lame role like backup neighbor he'd be more active.

who are you talking about? my pronouns are they/them

I'm sorry, I don't check a players pronoun every time I make a post. You seem more concerned about your pronouns than finding scum though.

Please pay attention to pronouns. You should check if you are unsure.

[Amélie]

I do not think ORAM is a good elimination today.

[Amélie]

Good game. I wasn't in the game for for most of the game but I'm glad I was able to protect a town pr.