One Night Stand [Game Over]

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Why do you scumread morning?

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I think morning is the towniest slot in the game

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I feel like my read rate on morning is good and I think I’ve only misread her as scum like once and it was a game I was reading second hand

I feel like if anything she’d be more active as scum here, and while I know that her activity levels don’t mean that much I feel like she’s good at doing very earnest solving as town whereas when she’s scum it feels more forced or there’s just same-to-more posts in number but they have less of a solving focus in them

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Is there any reason to not just policy ahsoka today

VOTE: ahsoka

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I mean if you wanna try to sell me on ali>ahsoka today then I’ll listen

And like the whole reason FL quickhammers as town is so he can as scum

Yes, when I rand scum it’s a very useful excuse for miselimming him, but it’s still a good idea to policy him for it for the times when he is scum

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I think I’m willing to vote anyone who’s name begins with an “a” today

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Does anyone know what hopkirk’s range is like as scum

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Because he basically just feels town but idk how high a hurdle I should be setting for him

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...is everything okay, ABR?

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Idk is ABR notoriously bad at scum for reasons other than just not having the same WIM as when he’s town

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Cause my understanding was that he just can’t replicate his towngame rather than he has no idea how to read a room, which is what pushing morning here and defending ahsoka is imo

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I have too many scumleans this game

MT — actual townslots
Hopkirk

Kanna — here only by virtue of not being as scummy as people below
Uncrowned

Pooky — sort of want to trust morning here but didn’t like the justification for his vote on ABR

ABR — broad scumpool
Clidd
Ali

ahsoka — just policy him tbh, save the headache and no more worrying about other quickhammers

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Clidd, my dude, it’s lovely to have another game with you but ur not really looking like ur townself to me

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how do you actually have uncrowned this high that doesn't really make any sense tbh

here only by virtue of not being as scummy as people below

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ahsoka — just policy him tbh, save the headache and no more worrying about other quickhammers

Over my dead body

Why are you simping for ahsoka

Do you actually townread him? Or is it literally just that you’re opposing flipping him bc of the quickhammer? Which tbh just seems dumb bc then you’re providing like no negative incentive to /not/ do it as town and actively encouraging him to do it as scum

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I still dislike your attempts, primarily in the PT, to argue that you’re out of your scum meta and not only out of it but so far out of it that you’re obvtown/the towniest slot in the game or whatever

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Also lowkey I’m not sure town!you is so abrasive with me particularly, or at least certainly not in my memory, even when I am calling you scum

I feel like the last time you tried to dismiss me was the game with skitter in it that I repped out of when I maybe had covid (can’t remember what it was, maybe a datisi modded game? Strawberry or something?) and you went on about how my takes were ridiculous or something whereas when I’ve been town and I’ve misread you as scum (a la smuggler’s) you’ve honestly just been pretty resigned to it

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And the way that you’re tying to like actively fight me about this rather than just trust in me to see that you’re town as the game goes on while simultaneously arguing that your town meta is to be passive and reactive rather than proactive is like... questionable

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...yes you did?

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https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=56&t=83567

Literally whose name is second in the list?

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That’s kind of rich given that every scumgame I’ve tried in (bar 2) I’ve won, and I’m both cases the losses were only due to mechanics, and in one I realised after that town technically broke the rules of the game but just decided to let it lie

And you’re here saying you’re not trying to control the agenda at all or whatever while literally, literally arguing that you’re so towny you should basically be beyond reproach and massively overreacting to me basically just disagreeing with that

Like I didn’t enter the game going “lol wow ali so obvscum” I entered saying “nah I also don’t really townread ali and find er assertation that if his townreads contain scum only e or Kanna would EVER be killed because how could you be so ridiculous to suggest that ANYONE else would be the NK if scum is in hop/Clidd/ahsoka” was valid as a take and then ur reaction to me pointing out that ur really not cleared by any means or that obviously town to me/outside your scum meta has been met by you doubling down on trying to claim you are outside of that

Which is like doubly sus actually now I think about it bc you normally love to talk up ur scumgame whereas here you’re trying to argue that it’s so bad that you couldn’t replicate it in even a basic sense that you’d need to to play like this

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I’ll listen to morning if she wants to talk about how your meta is pointing to town you but frankly for how little you’ve done so far other than yell about being town I struggle to see how you’re outside your scummeta esp considering you normally take the line that your scumgame is basically godlike

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Actually yea

VOTE: ali

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Pooky do u have thoughts beyond the existence of non-existence of my feelings towards ali

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Or non-existence*

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Why do u think ali is town, pooky?

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CAPITAL OFFENSES:
Behave nicely with others. Don't get toxic, don't do personal attacks, keep it a fun time for everyone. If people ask you to tone it down, you should do so.

This is me asking u two to tone it down pre-emptively

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Why do u think ali is town, pooky?

Also, while we’re on the topic, why am I town pooky?

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Am ill, sorry, VLA pls mods

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Hi

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Why are you voting nsg if you’re so sure I’m scum?

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Which is?

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Why do you have a massive murderboner for me exactly?

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No?

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Like very obviously no?

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I’ve been stuck in bed for the last two days with a combination of a migraine/fever and today is the first I’m not fuzzy as fuck

I also made it p clear that the most I’d done on rep in was skin a couple of ISOs

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I’m not reading a 70 page game while I’m still ill and there’s a decent chance I get eliminated anyway

I’ll talk to anyone who’s around and I’ll prob skim ISOs but I’m not wasting my time

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so what are you just going to refuse to do more

This is such a bad faith post

Like that’s clearly not what I’m saying

If I wasn’t gonna do anything I would just... not be here at all? Like my very presence shows that this is a bad faith take

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As is you using the first time I’ve been here in DAYS to instantly try and shade me instead of help me get into the game

When your SR on me is for a very weak reason

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That’s not the same thing? I’m not saying I’m not going to try and solve I’m saying I’m not going back and reading through the game in its entirety

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Like you’re spending this time trying to shade me instead of redirecting me to any points of interest or trying to get my take on particular things

Why, if your entire reason to SR me is “mena SRs me and also other slots townier”, would you not be interested in giving me a chance to get into the game (given that I’m generally p good at showing I’m town when engaged) and also that if half of why you SR me is bc you don’t think I should scumread you... how do you think deliberately trying to shut me out here is going to make me feel about you?

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You’re not engaging with me in a town motivated way at all

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nope because ur flip will be moreful then anything you post to me tbh

Right, but again you... basically don’t have reasons to scumread me anyway? Or very weak ones? So this entire thing is sounding a lot like a bullshit justification to try and push me

I just searched my name in your ISO and it’s also susp that you were tunnelling on me and shouting about me so much while I literally wasn’t here lmao

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Maybe I’ll have the chance to town it up if some town who are good at the game turn up who wanna work with me

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Instead of Ali “waaaa mena think I’m scum he must be scum” sae

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You have such a chip on your shoulder when it comes to me ali, it’s honestly kinda funny

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I love that you don’t seem to be able to conceptually differentiate between the idea of “hand holding” and the idea of “i know that I’m more effective when I bounce my ideas off other people instead of just coming to conclusions on everything in isolation”

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Also, protip: it’s not one or the other

But when it’s like 2 days to deadline and I’m far behind you know what /town/ would actually do? Try to suggest where I should look or say what the key things I’ve missed have been!

You know what scum would do? Try to shade the person and avoid making re-entry easy

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i am suggesting where you should look.
its called reading teh game

Just saying “oh read the game” is not suggesting where I should look

But I guess you were unintentionally helpful by saying that NSG claimed so I’m gonna go look for that

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I expect to get the context by reading the pages a couple on either side of the point of interest

As I’m about to do now

With that quote

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But also in a sec we’re gonna talk about how laughable it is that you were trying to argue I scumslipped with my opening posts

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why have you been talking to ali for thirty minutes?

bc ali is the one who was here and I’m trying to make up my mind on if ali is stuck in a derptunnel or is scum who was trying to take advantage of my non-presence here to go for an easy elim

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If anything this just sounds like TMI on why there wasn’t a NK bc that’s such a bizarre thing for your mind to go to instead of just (nightless, doctor, odd-night nightless, bulletproof, commuter)

And also doesn’t take into account that I have like, a demonstrable track record of entering nearly every game with a joke and one of my old faithfuls being “pretending to think the neighbourhood is a scum PT”

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I wouldn’t expect you to know that specific joke ali, I just think it’s a bizarre place for your mind to go

I found the most recent example of me doing it btw https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=90&t=84457

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Hop, why do you think I’m scum?

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Hmmm

Okay

And if you treat me as town who goes into the solve?

Also wouldn’t mind hearing you talk about why you TR ABR/ali/kanna or if you just wanna point me in the right direction if you’ve already explained

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ABR shares my poe 1640 and followed me onto uncrowned/clidd and has said he'd prefer you, so i don't see enough partners currently. there's some townie perspective in there in quite a few places. could be possible with Ashoka/? i suppose
Kanna i'm sheeping pooky's 'literally 100%' read, i can barely remember their posting
ali is vibecheck

I mean, it seems untrue? Not sure if that necessarily makes the slot scum but probably

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Also, 1640

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Scum usually replace during the day to at least see what happens with their kill at night so I'm pretty sure Menalque is town. Ahsoka and Alisae seem pretty town. Hopkirk putting a lot of energy so I don't know about him. Meh on kanna and clidd. Pooky is scum and MT likely partner. Uncrowned buddying me and FL seems like scum independently.

(Uncrowned/Kanna/Clidd?)

This low hanging fruit POE is unlikely

VOTE: clidd

My best guess for scum is in clidd/ahsoka

Like his scumread on me is so bad and like
a lot of other players just seem super fucking townie so like it just has to be him and no one wants to vote him thats honestly the best part too

I am down to vote out Menalque.

Feels like ABR is just down to vote out whoever is flavour of the day and him being willing to say “low hanging fruit PoE is unlikely” doesn’t go well with the votes he’s making? Like he’s backing a vote in clidd/Ahsoka when they’re conflicting

When I start picking up later he’s happy to reverse on/forget about his logic for why I was town and vote me

And yea he can say “it’s policy bc mena wasn’t around” but like there were good policy reasons to go for FL!slot from the start of today that he basically ignored so “policy” isn’t really a good enough explanation

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I’m very doubtful that clidd is ever scum here

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And why is pooky so town that you’re willing to sheep him on kanna @hop

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VOTE: NSG

I gotta take a break because this is tiring and I’m still ill

I’ll be back later I think

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Like roughly I’m thinking

Clidd
MT
Hop
Uncrowned
Pooky
Ali, kanna
NSG
ABR

but i feel like i need to talk to more people and prob do more ISOs if I have time

Mainly I haven’t really looked that much at the (pooky, uncrowned, kanna) slots yet and I haven’t really come to a hard call on ali yet

I still think ali is scummy and if e’s town e’s playing like dogshit with the tunnel on me but like equally the UTRs generally(?) aren’t scum so maybe I’m just frustrated by how trashy the push is esp as it’s been while I just wasn’t here and e doesn’t seem to have any interest in actually sorting me at this point

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Oh yeah with my vote that’s also

G-1

on NSG

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Hi kanna *waves*

I would also very much like to be neighbourised by clidd, but i get it if I’m too late

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Kind of convenient menal suspects me after I indicate my preference for him over ngs

I mean you might have a point if I hadn’t already been suspecting you previously, and if your trajectories here weren’t so transparently bad

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What happened to “I’m pretty sure Menalque is town”? Because if your switch onto me was just policy for my lack of presence in thread, meh, I kind of find that understandable

But I don’t think you like ever really made clear what changed substantively in why you were reading me as town and now apparently are not, when the one thing that did kind of justify your vote (my inactivity) has now changed

So you’re doubling down on one of the more popular choices today, despite earlier having said you thought I was town, and are neglecting to actually pursue the scumreads that you /do/ claim to have — like Clidd/NSG/MT

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I hadn’t conceded but I guess my message to ydrasse was a second too late

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I’m pretty annoyed that this couldn’t be played out

The flavour was exquisite, Ydrasse

Thanks for modding, to the rest of you it was fun playing with you

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I’d also just like to add publicly that I strongly disagree with alisae that this setup is unfun to play from the scum side and to clarify that I really liked it as a concept

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What if I want to be Juliet?

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yea it is kind of wild he would PL the um, most important member of your team :3

:3

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Perfect for a love themed setup. I hope you and Kanna don't play together in the mod's next collaboration: Hatred mafia

I snorted

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Real talk, why did y'all quicklim me

I would never

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mood

Infinity is a MariaR alt? You heard it here first

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I really wanted to claim to be the one you were meant to loverise but figured we’d just be getting to back to back executes for sure in that case

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I actually think the setup was pretty fine, only thing I might have changed would be to add one more pair of town lovers

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Or maybe removing the weak modifier from hop but like basically it’s p balanced imo

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I was a town seeking mason and me/kanna paired on night 1 after we crumbed to each other on page 1.

Oh lmao, this I would probably remove

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I disagree it’s scumsided without their role, I think their role makes it go from slightly townsided to strongly townsided

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But I think it’s fairly well known that my thoughts on balance diverge from the majority view

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I hadn’t conceded but I guess my message to ydrasse was a second too late

Lol how do u win bro

Idk but not by conceding

I was never planning to endgame anyway, I was expecting you to, but even once you torpedoed that I still wasn’t just gonna give up

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I wasn’t bussing which is why this game went so wrong because you didn’t understand that

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I wasn’t bussing which is why this game went so wrong because you didn’t understand that

YES YOU WERE WHAT

No, I wasn’t, and your continued inability to understand that is your problem and not mine

I had no interest in actually getting you eliminated, I just wanted people to think that we weren’t aligned if I got eliminated D2. Pooky had it basically 100% when he said “I think you’re TvT but you’re going to argue for another 15 pages”. I was always planning to come round to TRing you but then you got so stuck into the idea of bussing me that I couldn’t and you ignored all the attempts I was making to back off from you which meant I also had to double down to try and make sure you’d be able to endgame once I was dead

It got a lot harder once you started TMIing the setup all over the place, as it did when FL managed to get under a lot of susp while I was ill meaning that I needed to bus as NSG was going down

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I'm not trying to blame Ydrasse either. Clearly there is precedent already established

I really do wanna know

When was 'conceding' an option that became relevant?

It’s ydrasse’s place to address this but I believe she won’t be upset with me for saying she felt that the game integrity had been irrevocably damaged by the time she accepted, which was probably true but I was still gonna play on because I don’t think conceding is ever justified outside of the game being mechanically lost

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i also think you flung an over the top amount of attacks at Ydrasse (a first time mod) attacking the setup/moderating in several pages of full capitals when the setup wasn't especially out of the ordinary

I would second this

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perhaps the request could've been relayed through the mod.

This is what should have been done and I would have declined, I wanted to play it out

Also, replacing into a doomed slot isn’t so bad because at least you can respect yourself for trying the best you can despite knowing which outcome is 99% likely

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@NSG I’m sorry we didn’t get more of a chance to play with each other this game, I was really pleased when I saw you’d repped in

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It’s not an objective view because this is mafia and I’ve seen lylos were scum had no business winning and have personally won in a 3p where the player I 1v1’d was mechanically inno’d to the player casting the deciding vote

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The game was entirely winnable even if there’s disagreement on the extent of that and given that it was conceding and claiming scum with me was totally unacceptable

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Its always just a lose lose situation for me I think.
Pedit why would anyone want to replace into a slot to find out it’s doomed? How is that fun?

I would've been PUMPED personally like 'fuck yeah this is gonna be a challenge'

Is the idea of Fun only winning?

We should play together some time

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Yeah I mean I agree with you entirely, NSG

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The game was entirely winnable even if there’s disagreement on the extent of that and given that it was conceding and claiming scum with me was totally unacceptable

How do u win?

I was never intending to endgame, I was expecting you to endgame because you were the one who was widely townread

After you conceded I was gonna try to pretend I didn’t mind being the next elim as a wifomy non-survivalistic play and to argue that you have too much integrity to true-scumclaim with a buddy and that therefore you doing so should be considered clearing for me, and then to try and get ABR, uncrowned and hop executed probably

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I have to defend alisae because I think that the scum wincon was entirely on his shoulders since menal was almost guaranteed to be flipped with all of me, MT, Hopkirk, etc. all suspecting him. Playing it out would just be kabuke theater at that point if alisae had given up.

Conversely I feel like alisae played the best scum game out of everyone.

I was always planning to go down my last act was just to try and get you done first *shrug*

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This was a really tough PL to roll scum against, that’s for sure

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Menal never survives today

Tbf I’m not sure this is true

I never endgame but I don’t think I was guaranteed to die today

Maybe I was tho, idk

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This was a really tough PL to roll scum against, that’s for sure

It was actually a very scary scumteam rand though, in theory.

Yeah I mean I was pretty excited when I saw the scumteam and then ali just didn’t read my actions the way I wanted er to and plus the whole getting covid thing kinda bummed out my D2

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This was a really tough PL to roll scum against, that’s for sure

It was actually a very scary scumteam rand though, in theory.

Yeah I mean I was pretty excited when I saw the scumteam and then ali just didn’t read my actions the way I wanted er to and plus the whole getting covid thing kinda bummed out my D2

How did u want me to respond?

I already said, I was expecting us to conflict for a while and then to leverage that as a reason to TR you

But when I started trying to do that (the points where I said very explicitly that I wasn’t lockscum on you/when MT asked me and I said that I wasn’t sure who the scum in the townbloc was) you just kept pressuring me non-stop and I couldn’t get it to a point where I was TRing you

So I decided to just double down on the distancing despite the TMI stuff you’d said and hope that town would miss that or that you’d spin it out right

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one of my most memorable games was a resistance/avalon game with a concede
about ten seconds in i look at each of the two people who are scum and ask them 'would the mafia like to concede?'
they shared a glance then sadly nodded and agreed they would like to concede because they knew their reaction to the question was already game over
they technically won as they guessed someone else was merlin, but it still felt good

Are you in like a telepath circle IRL or something hop?

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Menal didnt do anything too wrong it was just PoE from all the towntelling which is the worst way to get caught as scum

Yeah it was a fucking nightmare how townie everyone was and that they were being correctly identified as such

That was why I wasn’t really playing to try and survive but just wanted to look unaligned with ali on my flip

But I was being honest in the hood when I said I also would have found it frustrating to just be put in the PoE for not being townie enough even if I had actually been town tho haha

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<3

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There's not really a way in my eyes to fix ten pages of content like that. There's not a way to fix the fact that one scum outed the team to concede. I've already spoken to Menalque about it, but despite him not wanting to concede I did not see a world where this game could ever continue; even if he had managed to ask me before I formally called it, I think I still would have called the game at that point regardless of what he wanted to do moving forward.

I dunno I think we can all agree I was probably 50/50 to win in F3 if game had continued

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ya mena mybad i played out interactions wrong ig

That’s fine, I thought you’d realise what I was doing because I’ve done it before and because I don’t like bussing as a strat at all

What I’m annoyed about is the conceding. The fact that the game went wrong because we both didn’t do what the other wanted is moot

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I was gonna bring pooky to F3 and then get him to self out of guilt for all the times he’s rolled me

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Lotta bad opinions on Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind in spec thread which is a GREAT film

Also I have no redactions from the hood

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Shiki's crumb analysis was incredible LOL

And im glad i could mindmeld with Murderkitty

Ohhhhhh that was shiki ofc

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HECTIC STOP ROASTING ME IN THE MOD PT

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I thought ali crumbed clidd as the target in the neighbourhood and I was trying to crumb hopkirk instead

I had no idea who e was targeting N2 I’m really really really really bad at spotting crumbs and honestly just needed openwolfing levels of obviousness to know who we were meant to be killing

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menalque you didnt NK MT day 1 i am shocked by this

I love playing with MT tho I couldn’t do it

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but there was a section in the middle where it just got like, super weird and unenjoyable to me but i was also half asleep trying to watch it. like that is what weighs it down for me but all of the stuff surrounding that and the themes is good. but ultimately it cannot carry the parts where he's like, a child or WHATEVER.

It’s critical back story for why he’s emotionally unavailable ydrasse! Critical backstory!

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Youre a lover not a killer lol

Why do you think I wanted to play this game eh? :3

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I had no idea who e was targeting N2 I’m really really really really bad at spotting crumbs and honestly just needed openwolfing levels of obviousness to know who we were meant to be killing

i posted it at end of day.

Oh

I thought it would be in the neighbourhood so I thought it was clidd based on the “he’s basically conftown now” thing

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Nah I mean tbf I am uniquely bad at noticing crumbs

I think it’s hilarious hectic thought I might have picked up on kanna and pooky crumbing to each other I thought they just liked the flavour as much as I did lol

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Youre a lover not a killer lol

Why do you think I wanted to play this game eh? :3

Sometimes you have to kill

Watch killing eve you will like it.

Eternal sunshine is a great film!

I’ve seen killing eve and am a big fan

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okay and so what? i simply don't care. men will be emotionally unavailable just because they're like that i don't need 15 cringe minutes where i am like please stop move on to something more fun.

We’re not like that! And also Joel is like particularly bad and it’s a key reason why his relationship with clem fails so I think it’s important we understand it

Also it’s just like magical realism vibes during the whole sequence of them running between memories and I also just found a lot of that very touching and sweet lol

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Okay I now feel I need to finish reading spec thread to find out wtf yall are talking about

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Neither of them suck! They’re both flawed sure but they’re trying, and there’s something very human and touching about two deeply imperfect people trying to find love and connection with each other!

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HOW MANY ALTS DO YOU HAVE ANAHIT

I ONLY JUST FOUND OUT YOU’RE ALSO TRQ

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HOW MANY ALTS DO YOU HAVE ANAHIT

I ONLY JUST FOUND OUT YOU’RE ALSO TRQ

you messaged me while i was on a tarkovsky film themed account once, if that helps

THAT WAS YOU TOO WHAT

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Although given how into Russian lit you are I guess that one maybe shouldn’t be so surprising now

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menalque you didnt NK MT day 1 i am shocked by this

I love playing with MT tho I couldn’t do it

no way

you couldn't bring yourself to kill me? >ᴗ< ♡

Never oh bat-eared one <3

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btw mena the trash talk was fun

Yea one of the things I like about scum is you can go off without feeling guilty like I would for saying the same things to a townie

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what tarkovsky stuff should i watch first? I was thinking of doing the mirror soon. Haven't got around to Stalker/Solaris/Andrei Rublev yet (amazing film to meme about btw) but they're all on the list

I saw Solaris first and thought that was a good intro but I would defer to shiki here

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Are you three all friends irl or is it just hop and hectic?

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trying to find love and connection with each other!

this isn't even what joel is doing like the movie leads him to water and he still doesn't drink it

it's only the version of clementine inside of his head that says she wishes for him to stay not clementine herself


...

...is it tho? I think the film leaves it slightly ambiguous as to if what’s going on in that respect

Like I think a strong point of spotless mind is that it really doesn’t want to give concrete answers about what exactly is going on and whether this is all science or if there’s a magical/religious side to what’s happening

i'm glad to all who enjoyed it and that it helped people, truly =)

and yes i agree that it is very touching in theory, and that people are flawed and yet deserve love... but i can still also think in this case joel sucks and needs a lot of self improvement before i think he can have a meaningful relationship with her that won't end the same way! i don't want him to stagnate but neither do i think he's uh, great

I just don’t think Joel sucks that bad or is like a lot worse than clem, I think they’re just flawed in different ways

I also have an optimistic reading of the ending compared to a lot of people I think, so maybe that also bleeds into how I see it? But like I kind of think the film is them doing that work that’s needed to be able to have a healthy relationship — not necessarily a successful one, but at least one without the problems they had

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which three?

You/shiki/hectic

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I mean on the one hand yes and sorry but on the other hand you have had 17 years to watch it and nothing really spoiler-y has been said so far

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which three?

You/shiki/hectic

I'm not sure i've we've even played together before, don't know her outside of mafiascum.
Me/Hectic do have a fair few irl friends who've used the site. I think it's about eight of us now? One notable mention included someone who I played two games with about three years before we met outside of mafiascum and they thought the name 'Hopkirk' sounded familiar. I then found the games we were in.

I'm going to sleep now before hectic starts making jokes comparing our sleeping patterns. Someone convince Hectic to watch Mullholland DR. while i'm gone

Ahh right, gotcha gotcha

I mean on the one hand yes and sorry but on the other hand you have had 17 years to watch it and nothing really spoiler-y has been said so far

What if I wanna watch it now? But yeah I wasn't sure wrt if things being said were spoiler-y so that's fine

Well I’m just generally more careful about spoilers for recent films and I feel like after X amount of time has passed if you’re discussing a film publicly then you don’t need to worry too much about spoilers if it’s, say, over 10 years old