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[Vaxkiller]

VOTE: binatog choo-choo all aboard!

[Vaxkiller]

Hes not a miller, but hes town!

[Vaxkiller]

Oh wait I was confusing miller with mason.

[Vaxkiller]

uhhhh, well ok. NP There are other ways.

[Vaxkiller]

Whatever he is it probably means shut up about it.

[Vaxkiller]

Actually keep talking, maybe WIFOM for scum

[Vaxkiller]

Btw if we have a Rolecop they can confirm molla’s claim
Miller is a town-only role so that would be a conftown too

[Vaxkiller]

sigh

[Vaxkiller]

oh cool a wagon!

VOTE: minimegabyte

[Vaxkiller]

chkflip, have we played before?

Titus, good to see you. I feel like I can read you pretty well once we get started.

[Vaxkiller]

You jumping so quickly on such a crappy argument could be argued to be Scummy. We’ll see.

Either it’s scummy or it’s not m8.

I’m not your mate. And just because a post is silly or the logic behind your vote is bad it doesn’t mean you’re Scum. It just means I have to look closer.

I was going to change my vote here but this made me change my mind.

[Vaxkiller]

What is a tryhard exactly?

[Vaxkiller]

You guys have reasons?

[Vaxkiller]

You guys have reasons?

Oh yeah:

I'm also inclined to vote for Mini, because she's the only acceptable candidate from those that voted for my boy Binatog.

Ummm. Maybe your just new, you dont really need a reason.

[Vaxkiller]

Andres seems like town
I’m not a fan of some of the things Vaxkiller seems to be taking interest in, it seems frivolous and selective?

Frivolous sure. Selective? Ewwwww.

[Vaxkiller]

VOTE: DGB
She vented

What does vented mean?

[Vaxkiller]

Just wait to you have to sift through 100+ pages of shit and you will see waht gamma means.

[Vaxkiller]

Andres seems like town
I’m not a fan of some of the things Vaxkiller seems to be taking interest in, it seems frivolous and selective?

Frivolous sure. Selective? Ewwwww.

Thank you for acknowledging me. Do you want elaboration or no?

VOTE: DGB
She vented

What does vented mean?

I was giving a joke reason for joining an alternate wagon while also referencing a recently completed game

1 Sure
2 Gotcha

[Vaxkiller]

2. Im assuming its an inside joke.

I'm not going to read more than I have to.

[Vaxkiller]

VOTE: cheeky teeky

[Vaxkiller]

VOTE: cheeky teeky

Town

Because of who I'm voting, or because I jumped off the wagon, or are you calling cheeky town? I have a good reason to suspect cheeky.

[Vaxkiller]

Also @titus, the mini wagon aint bad, it aint great but its not bad.

[Vaxkiller]

I have angleshooty reasons to think cheeky may be scum here. But they're angleshooty so I am waiting to see on cheeky.

Go shoot someone else's angles! Nah seriously, I'd like to hear this.

Vax, you voted me before I even entered, I smell bs.

sam was just scum in booneytoonz, prolly rolled scum and didnt want to play it again.

[Vaxkiller]

Samantha just finished rolling scum in Booneytunes. She peaced out rather than play scum again. #angleshoot

What's angleshoot?

[Vaxkiller]

Titus angleshooting like that when sam also ditched mbos 10 as town is no bueno

I'm assuming that's an older game? I mean boontoons jsut ended.

[Vaxkiller]

I demand a mass claim for the express purposes of role fishing

In my experience, you have to yell at people for this to happen.

[Vaxkiller]

I don't like how gamma called out angle shooting then calls 418 a scum approach and votes. I'm rethinking my vote.

SvS? Cmon, bussing with the smallest amount of pressure?

[Vaxkiller]

DGB if your a roleblocker again, I'm going to scum read you.

[Vaxkiller]

I don't like how gamma called out angle shooting then calls 418 a scum approach and votes. I'm rethinking my vote.

SvS? Cmon, bussing with the smallest amount of pressure?

It has nothing to do with being inactive but how she’s using her active time

So is it more than just 418? How are they using their active time?

[Vaxkiller]

Welcome, quiet!

[Vaxkiller]

This game needs an actual good push to get some good discussion going.

I've actually found this game to be quite refreshing so far, with decent discussion with minimal shit posting. Do you just not like any of the current wagons?

[Vaxkiller]

A possibility that entered my mind when I read the above posts:

Mini: does nothing

VOTE: MiniMegabyte
Mini, i distinctly remember your meta as scum is to do literally nothing.

Mini in scum pt: I’m being scumread for doing nothing, what should I do

Scum partner: just look interested by asking questions

Mini: ok.

lol, so much this!

VOTE: mini

[Vaxkiller]

I'll swing back around to cheeky, but that last page from mini was bad.

[Vaxkiller]

I want mini more.

[Vaxkiller]

This game needs an actual good push to get some good discussion going.

I've actually found this game to be quite refreshing so far, with decent discussion with minimal shit posting. Do you just not like any of the current wagons?

Actually i like this.
Competing wagons between Cheeky/Mini makes the game much easier for me to read in terms of finding scum.

There have been other wagons...

Did none of them ping you?

[Vaxkiller]

Meaning I could vote for either. Mini talks about cheeky being a scum read, but never votes that way, and questions people about their cheeky read.

The reason I want mini more is because it gives 2 decent town clears.

[Vaxkiller]

This game needs an actual good push to get some good discussion going.

I've actually found this game to be quite refreshing so far, with decent discussion with minimal shit posting. Do you just not like any of the current wagons?

Actually i like this.
Competing wagons between Cheeky/Mini makes the game much easier for me to read in terms of finding scum.

Possibly more, because would scum really bus at this point?

[Vaxkiller]

Meaning I could vote for either. Mini talks about cheeky being a scum read, but never votes that way, and questions people about their cheeky read.

The reason I want mini more is because it gives 2 decent town clears.

Ok. But reading your initial comment it came across as: "I will vote Mini now, but am going to vote Cheeky instead later", as in you was only really fine with Cheeky.
Which town clears btw?

Yourself and Luca. Not 100% clear, but I'd put you in the town pile.

[Vaxkiller]

See post 629

[Vaxkiller]

i could see it. good scum play if u r scum, Luca.

?

[Vaxkiller]

A possibility that entered my mind when I read the above posts:

Mini: does nothing

VOTE: MiniMegabyte
Mini, i distinctly remember your meta as scum is to do literally nothing.

Mini in scum pt: I’m being scumread for doing nothing, what should I do

Scum partner: just look interested by asking questions

Mini: ok.

i could see it. good scum play if u r scum, Luca.

i could see it. good scum play if u r scum, Luca.

?

I think its a highly manipulative argument and could see Luca making that argument to preserve that status quo. OTOH scum do react like that so it could just decent analysis. I know thats kinda fence sitting but idk what's going on.

though on 2nd thought Luca saying that while sitting on a vanity wagon does kinda make me worry that it's just scum trying to push 4 a mini elimination while not getting his hands dirty.

I'm having a hard time marrying the 2 ideas.
It's just weird. Saying that you can see Lucas theory being right and also saying maybe Luca's manipulating everyone, and he made a great scum play.

As I write this out, it doesnt seem as scummy (your reaction)... more confused towny.

Luca's sitting on a vanity wagon is kinda weird, maybe they wanted to validate thier thoughts? Or maybe they were fishing to see if anyone bites to see if they could fish.

You know I felt alot better and more confident before I read and wrote this out.

[Vaxkiller]

real quick, busy weekend, be on tonight, dont do anything dumb without me.

[Vaxkiller]

Im here, but I doubt ill be caught up tonight. Gonna be a slow day at work tomorrow tho, so I'll get caught up then. I'll be around for a bit.

[Vaxkiller]

I like bypassess entry. Not-mafia-esque, more content then troll.

Momrangal is prob town too.

Yup

Ehhh. Bypass is now more troll than content.

I don't like to following progression. Also, andre, what vote are you talking about from ranny before this?

Oh and that vote by Ranny also seemed off. Somebody already expressed it but that blatant role fish by DGB... I just really doubt Scum would do that. I can already see myself being super self conscious about attracting that much attention to myself by doing something so obviously anti-Town.

I know that “scummy” does not equal “scum”, but today I am not buying any arguments along the lines of “that’s so scummy, it has to be coming from town”.

However, the DGB subplot has been explored to my satisfaction for now.

For reference, in my last normal game, the scum team acted out with “too obvious” scummy things like quickhammering and voting together in a bloc. I don’t intend to let anyone get away with that unexamined in this game.

VOTE: Cheeky given up?

i have a daycop guilty on mini

Wrong format. We use a specific template for these things.

Wow bypass is real again with 830-831-832 I like that.

I can't believe I'm in an actual real live game with not mafia. It think I may have played with them before in in a bastard game, but not a normal one. This is surreal.

CheekyTeeky

has requested replacement.

Not_Mafia

has asked to enter the replacement queue.

Not_Mafia

replaces

CheekyTeeky

Something pings about this

ping gamma

Pinging gamma with 32 bytes of data:
Request timed out.
Request timed out.
Request timed out.
Reply from gamma: Destination net unreachable.

Ping statistics for gamma:
Packets: Sent = 4, Received = 1, Lost = 3 (75% loss),

Is Not_Mafia even readable?

Not that im aware of. I think for the good of the game we are fading them. Besides cheeky was a good fade target.

Not mafias 1008 reads list looks like he shoved everyone's name in a blender and thats what shot out.

....sigh...

Nero Cain is pretty obvtown

So what the hell is your order above?

I used random.org list randomiser to randomise the playerlist then moved myself to the bottom of the list

I'm an Even Night Weak Neighbouriser

Wow, that claim came fast after it was suggested by someone. It's kinda belivable. I can't help but think day 3 were gonna get excuses tho.

EDIT Not excuses, just lots of trolling.

More likely than not, NM wouldn't have been pushed to L-1 and even if he did, there were just enough people giving him the benefit of the doubt that he didn't even need to claim.

I feel like the claim drop was a means to make people stop focusing on him which, overall helps the game state because the game is more than just NM so...

Let's do that?

Makes sense. I just don't like that his PR claim is good enough to be useful, while at the same time weak enough to be believable as to why they would not to be killed overnight.

I could drop a vote on Ranny I think, there are to many slots that I don't have an opinion on but the last few sequence of his posts felt like shit

VOTE: Rannygazoo

LET'S FUCKING GO MOM I GOTCHU

ewwww

[Vaxkiller]

Shit i meant to spoiler that,a nd I wasnt done yet.

[Vaxkiller]

I think you decided to whiteknight NM and once the momentum slowed felt like expressing a lean scum read on NM that you still have no intention of acting on
I might discuss it with others but I don’t think you’re gonna change my mind

Are you town reading not_mafia?

[Vaxkiller]

Interesting theory, but I'd rather flip not mafia.

[Vaxkiller]

no one else scumreads titus huh

They're in my PoE

Really? What did I miss?

[Vaxkiller]

I think you decided to whiteknight NM and once the momentum slowed felt like expressing a lean scum read on NM that you still have no intention of acting on
I might discuss it with others but I don’t think you’re gonna change my mind

Are you town reading not_mafia?

he could be town, but even if he's scum the things BC did for him looked questionable

Duuuuude

Who white nights NM?

[Vaxkiller]

ok im gonna claim it cause yolo but im mason with 1 person i placed in my townblofck.

What?

Like can a mason and a weak something neighboriser exist? Did yo put up a stink? Lemme check

[Vaxkiller]

i mean, im not flipping scum so you guys should start thinking about who is the scum that wagoned me/didn't wagon me.

lynch both nm slots. Thats half the scumteam right there.

Why do you think bypass and NM are scum together? I think only one of them are scum.

[Vaxkiller]

all you're doing rn is whining about being wagoned.

p much

lol

[Vaxkiller]

I didnt really have an opinion on nero until this morning.... and this morning is not great, but I'm leaning not mafia, I think his claim is even more BS with a masonry claim, and I have much better vibes from bypass.

[Vaxkiller]

i mean, im not flipping scum so you guys should start thinking about who is the scum that wagoned me/didn't wagon me.

lynch both nm slots. Thats half the scumteam right there.

Why do you think bypass and NM are scum together? I think only one of them are scum.

both are just independently scummy to me, y can only 1 be scum?

Not just one, specifically N_M

Both could be town. I just happen to think N-M is scum. What has bypass done to be so scummy? Was it the mason claim?

[Vaxkiller]

I didnt really have an opinion on nero until this morning.... and this morning is not great, but I'm leaning not mafia, I think his claim is even more BS with a masonry claim, and I have much better vibes from bypass.

i also claimed gated investigative dont forget

Wait, are you just fucking with us?

[Vaxkiller]

I didnt really have an opinion on nero until this morning.... and this morning is not great, but I'm leaning not mafia, I think his claim is even more BS with a masonry claim, and I have much better vibes from bypass.

i also claimed gated investigative dont forget

Wait, are you just fucking with us?

vaxkiller is conftown

oh for fucks sake

Also gonna use this post to blatantly soft a protective role. Don't mind this post. Theres a big gate on it, you can't get into it.

wait nvm but still vax slipped uninformed

but anyways reminder that vaxkiller is town and im not going to accept any wagons on them ever this game

This weirds me out a little but I really believe you are town so I'll take it.

[Vaxkiller]

Also of note is that Vax is townreading bypass and Bypass is buddying up to Vax.

It's pretty blatant tho.

Why are you scum reading bypass again?

[Vaxkiller]

The quality of written English from some of you is appalling.

Any other thoughts?

[Vaxkiller]

OK, So who hates mathblade?


Like mini was not loved day 1, so this has to be scum scared of math.

[Vaxkiller]

What did he do?

[Vaxkiller]

What did he do?

Can you like read the game?

Im read up, give me the readers digest version.

[Vaxkiller]

Who else knows Mathblade here?

I do. I just played yellowstone with him. We lost, but from about 10-20 posts in you could see he was town and was widely hailed a such. We just had bad reads.

[Vaxkiller]

I'm pushing Titus to push off the Nero wagon.

Don't question results.

Are you claiming something but not claiming something?

[Vaxkiller]

lol DGB and I are salivating

[Vaxkiller]

Why is hayker scum?

[Vaxkiller]

Why have a D1 that long with all that content to vote a player based on the speculation that they were afraid of another player replacing into a slot that had not posted at all? Genius.

Ok big brain.
Why did Mathblade die?
Big mislim potential but they were killed.

Why are you asking me something only Scum know? I have no idea why Mini / Math was the choice, outside of the obvious fact that they were a PR.

Because some of us have played with each other. Someone was clearly afraid of mathblade

[Vaxkiller]

oh im seeing whats going on

VOTE: titus

uh i dont

[Vaxkiller]

Why have a D1 that long with all that content to vote a player based on the speculation that they were afraid of another player replacing into a slot that had not posted at all? Genius.

Ok big brain.
Why did Mathblade die?
Big mislim potential but they were killed.

Why are you asking me something only Scum know? I have no idea why Mini / Math was the choice, outside of the obvious fact that they were a PR.

Because some of us have played with each other. Someone was clearly afraid of mathblade

Sigh this way of trying to execute Scum is going to be a total crapshoot. I’ve played with Math once maybe? I can’t say I even remember their style.

Its SOMETHING it's not a guilty, it just additional info

[Vaxkiller]

ARgh!

[Vaxkiller]

I think N-M is fucking with us.

[Vaxkiller]

I DON'T.

VOTE: Norfolk Boy1

How does this fit your g-cube titus read?

[Vaxkiller]

I'm following Titus and I feel like Nero would follow a guilty track. Otherwise I'm uncertain what you mean. (Titus and I will surely VCA later, don't you worry.)

I dont understand, you voted titus and your following titus?

Also nero flipped VT. Nero follows guilty track? huh?

[Vaxkiller]

I can't believe I'm saying this, but I think im wrong about N_M. THose posts to non-existing dr noises.

[Vaxkiller]

Also I was thiking alot about all this on my way to work, we need to look at the mini-mega wagon yesterday, im thinking scum were on that wagon. I think they made a mistake shooting there and exposed themselves.

[Vaxkiller]

Overnight, chkflp has become a scumread for me. I’m traveling over the next few days, but I’m going to try to articulate why ASAP.

VOTE: chkflp

Catching up on today's excitement. A wild Not_Mafia appears. I'm just going to not think about it too hard and hold to the cheeky line. See no reason to change the read there, and see no way to read Not_Mafia.

This pings.

Jesus that was quick, were you suspecting them before this??????

[Vaxkiller]

please let me die

Wtf

[Vaxkiller]

Ohhh shit DGB is town as a mother fucker!

[Vaxkiller]

I dont like this slot at all and believe it should be eliminated early so it doesnt complicate things later in the game

VOTE: Not_Mafia

VOTE: Not_Mafia one of my scum reads

These two votes are interesting, they came AFTER N_M's claim, and AFTER people (including myself) started to slowly unvote N_M.

Rethinking mini.

[Vaxkiller]

My head hurts, I don't do things for games during night phase most of the time and this was no different. So I'll look at the night kills and snap decide

VOTE: Titus

You do look really bad but this is more placeholder "let's do this VCA shit hey" then a definitive "this is where I think D4 should go."

Nope. More FULL days required to read.

[Vaxkiller]

Vax, mini = Math

OHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

[Vaxkiller]

Now im all caught up.

Hmmm

[Vaxkiller]

DGB how did u get that quiet quote so quickly?

[Vaxkiller]

Why is that relevant?

Is this to me?

[Vaxkiller]

Using a google doc like that breaks communication rules.

Huh?

[Vaxkiller]

DGB how did u get that quiet quote so quickly?

Eh, it seemed like they were just going through the thread point by point around the NM wagon. Everything they posted was from the same few pages, and frankly I could see how I look kinda bad, though at that point I was working under the assumption that post a claim, and given how much suspicion was on NM, we were just tabling the slot and moving on. I don't read them pulling that quote as AI.

I have already given my opinion that I think scum are bussing, knowing that NM will be trading day 2 or 3, and knowing how good of a frame this could be.

DGB how did u get that quiet quote so quickly?

Not sure what you're referring to. I'm on the desktop???

It was within the same min.

[Vaxkiller]

I don't know how many of you saw it but please don't use quiet's link if you got it. It counts as outside communication.

Using a google doc like that breaks communication rules.

Huh?

Oh

All i saw was purple text that didnt make sense.

[Vaxkiller]

Why is that relevant?

Is this to me?

Yes.

Wait plz.

[Vaxkiller]

DGB how did u get that quiet quote so quickly?

Not sure what you're referring to. I'm on the desktop???

It was within 1 min (likely less) than the previous post

[Vaxkiller]

Like how did you recall and find something that fast?

[Vaxkiller]

Overnight, chkflp has become a scumread for me. I’m traveling over the next few days, but I’m going to try to articulate why ASAP.

VOTE: chkflp

Catching up on today's excitement. A wild Not_Mafia appears. I'm just going to not think about it too hard and hold to the cheeky line. See no reason to change the read there, and see no way to read Not_Mafia.

This pings.

Within the same min

[Vaxkiller]

Its just weird how quiet votes chklpf and then you call quiet out in the next post.

[Vaxkiller]

Im passing out. an we not fade someone befoer I can post tomorrow?

k thanx
bye

[Vaxkiller]

VOTE: Titus

Reason:
A: Mathblade kill points to Titus
B: Their VCA is bad and they are pushing the vote on likely town.

Mathblade kill would be Titus purposefully and for no reason framing herself

Is that what you’re saying in A?

I’m not saying it’s wrong cause Titus could pull that I just want to be clear that the most blatant reason for Maths death was to frame Titus and Titus scum would be aware of that

Ok so my thoughts are this:
Scum!Titus (obviously) knows killing Mathblade would implicate her and thusly it would seem pointless to assume this makes Titus scum because mafia typically don't make dumb plays. But Mathblade replacing into a town slot (which we know because doh they died) could in theory be even more catastrophic for scum!Titus because Mathblade has a lot of knowledge about Titus and how they play, so if Titus knows Mathblade might potentially expose her as scum then it is worth the effort of killing the slot and then dealing with the potential aftermath rather than needing to fight Mathblade head on.

Eh all this seems wifom'y I mean cant scum!anyone just frame titus?

[Vaxkiller]

Scum!Titus (obviously) knows killing Mathblade would implicate her

Here's the thing.

I once won a large game as a SK because every single night I killed the player that suspected me the most.

So I pay no heed to the theory that Titus would hold off NK'ing MathBlade for fear of being implicated. There are many players who wouldn't want to go against town!MathBlade as scum, that provide Titus cover.

Still town.

[Vaxkiller]

After post 3082 im ready to vote bbmolla, but I don't want to hammer before the end of the day, in case anyone has more to say. BECAUSE I KNOW HOW THAT FEELS!

[Vaxkiller]

It's not like that. It's like [Player] was visited by this role. Get it?

More specifically i'm referring to this.

At least that's what i think he's claiming.

So you were rolecop'ed? What night?

Where does it say rolecoped?

[Vaxkiller]

DGB
Most of my interaction this game before it went to absolute hell was with DGB. The "slip" I saw looked odd, but the language barrier backs it up, as well as the interaction we had just had a nice town vibe to it.

Waht slip? And what lang barrier?

[Vaxkiller]

If you SR plusJOYED then why aren't you suspicious of BBMolla being his partner, for the reasons I outlined?

BBMolla is Nero Cain. Like I said.

WAit.... like tehy are alts?

[Vaxkiller]

NM and Plusjoyed are both PRs in the SvS scenario, thus bussing would be discouraged.

How do you know Plus would be a PR?

Because scum would bus a goon to save the Strongman.

This is such moonlogic.
I'm starting to believe that you and BBMolla are both scum and you are grasping here with flimsy reasoning to save him.

Moonlogic is good dude.

[Vaxkiller]

I REPEAT A RED FLIP ON PLUS WOULD MEAN A RED FLIP ON LUCA

Whys that again? Also what does a town flip indicate - town or unknown?

[Vaxkiller]

In what world is ignoring people a townie mindset

Sometimes it's +town for the rest of the town to ignore a bad town slot.
Not saying it's the case here, but just proving that it can indeed be a townie mindset to ignore a slot.

Why do you think I've been skimming the BBMolla push? It's bad town mostly.

Hayker and Plus need to flip. If Plus is town, Andres is lockscum.

Titus, assuming this is a bad town push on town, wouldn't scum be all over that? Seems like something you should not be ignoring.

[Vaxkiller]

Re-reading my posts is a painful experience. I was AWFUL.

Why do you re-read your posts?

[Vaxkiller]

In what world is ignoring people a townie mindset

Sometimes it's +town for the rest of the town to ignore a bad town slot.
Not saying it's the case here, but just proving that it can indeed be a townie mindset to ignore a slot.

Why do you think I've been skimming the BBMolla push? It's bad town mostly.

Hayker and Plus need to flip. If Plus is town, Andres is lockscum.

Titus, assuming this is a bad town push on town, wouldn't scum be all over that? Seems like something you should not be ignoring.

Pronouns confuse your question.

Huh? Does titus mean my use of the word "you"? I'm not understanding.

[Vaxkiller]

and it looks like I might have to recend my Vax suspicion as this post isn't even convincing myself.

Sensible_chuckle.gif

In all seriousness tho. Don't bring me into fade or lose, I can't handle it.

[Vaxkiller]

@Binatog and Vax

Why aren't ya'll voting and where do you stand

Because I don't want the day to end. My vote was on you tentatively. But if I did that, I'm betting someone would have hammered, and the day has ended to soon the past 2 days, I'd actually like to get some thoughts out.
I say WAS, because I'm rethinking it. You are actually giving content this afternoon instead of just reacting, and it gives me pause. The people on your wagon also start town, then end up up less so towards the end. (Your vote was incredibly troubling, I really don't like ATE).

[Vaxkiller]

Titus given a PlusJoyed scumflip what's a reasonable scumteam

Titus given a PlusJoyed townflip what's a reasonable scumteam

@Titus

I really want to hear this so I want to make sure it's seen

Wait in line bub. I have a question unanswered too.

[Vaxkiller]

ooof, holy shit that iso is a reader.

[Vaxkiller]

talking bout plusjoyed

[Vaxkiller]

Ok im happy to be on that wagon.

[Vaxkiller]

Interestingly enough, ive been sinking deeper and deeper into titus could be scum territory, and I think its beyond plusjoys scum-range to have thier ONLY read to be titus as scum

[Vaxkiller]

Ok im happy to be on that wagon.

You're not on that wagon.

You're not voting right now.

Id like to keep talking!!!!!! What's plusjoyed at? I thought they were e2?

[Vaxkiller]

In what world is ignoring people a townie mindset

Sometimes it's +town for the rest of the town to ignore a bad town slot.
Not saying it's the case here, but just proving that it can indeed be a townie mindset to ignore a slot.

Why do you think I've been skimming the BBMolla push? It's bad town mostly.

Hayker and Plus need to flip. If Plus is town, Andres is lockscum.

Titus, assuming this is a bad town push on town, wouldn't scum be all over that? Seems like something you should not be ignoring.

Pronouns confuse your question.

Huh? Does titus mean my use of the word "you"? I'm not understanding.

@Titus

You said you were ignoring the BBmolla push. I can only assume you've been ignoring it because you think bbmoll is town, but if so, he was at E1 (with my proxy vote). You really dont think there is some scum on there?

Does that explain it?

[Vaxkiller]

Fine.

VOTE: Plusjoyed

[Vaxkiller]

I'm wondering if Quiet was hinting at some kind of result on Vax Yesterday, given his sudden FoS of him out of nowhere.

Otherwise, my beliefs are only reinforced after the PlusJOYED flip. I believe all the scum were likely on his wagon, and the game-state heavily suggests BBMolla is scum.

I'm onboard with a Titus elim as well.

VOTE: Titus

Wink!

[Vaxkiller]

I didn't die, something's wrong here

Did you get a result tonight btw?

No one on Gamma

Why gamma? Also what are you again?

[Vaxkiller]

I believe all the players who have been NK have something in common: they all scumread Titus, with the exception of Mathblade (who apparently Titus had the the most reason to kill).

Ewww. What are you insinuating here?

[Vaxkiller]

Quiet also kept voting Chkflip all day yesterday. Ignoring all other wagons.

VOTE: Chkflip
Pretty hard evidence.

Please claim.

Good enough for me!

[Vaxkiller]

quiet SR Vax more, so I feel that might have something to do with a Track.

Then why wouldn't they say so? Also no. Now im not sure about ckflip, but I think some pressure is good.

[Vaxkiller]

I also have in my notes that Vax has soft pinged me a couple of times,

but I'd probably need to be on a laptop to track down receipts for that

, and I'm still traveling today.

Hello....

Luca, you trying to push that quiet had a guilty on me, but said he couldn't be sure, and needed to look at his laptop?

[Vaxkiller]

Quiet had Vax at null until suddenly wanting his elim at the end of the previous day. He hinted at a possible result, even using the word 'track' in association with him. There's definitely something in this, imo.

Dude... Who doesnt claim guilty results?

[Vaxkiller]

Given scum seemingly have a rolecop, I think it's a fair idea.

Also, how do we know this?

[Vaxkiller]

I don't like Luca today and I'm not claiming unless I get a nod from one of my townreads.

[Vaxkiller]

Like WTF is this BBmolla?

[Vaxkiller]

I was scum reading bbmolla, but how does scum!bbmolla come in and do this?

[Vaxkiller]

it might be vax, hrm

I see you.

[Vaxkiller]

If you wanna have a good talk Gamma, ill be on tonight. For now, im in and out due to the start of our busy season at work.

[Vaxkiller]

List off ppl you can fight me to fade:

DGB
BBmolla

[Vaxkiller]

vaxkiller can you describe any key differences between your play here and in REDACTED? I feel like you're riding an interesting line where you don't seem like you were in little boonie but I can't tell for sure what I got from you in that other game so I'm not anywhere concrete for how your play here reads when compared to recent games
do you have an recent towngames I can look at?

I cant really talk about REDACTED for obvious reasons....

But as far as comparing my play between games, im not great at self analyzing. I wish I were.

Latest town game that is completed, is College Basketball. It's the main reason I do NOT want to be in fade or lose situation in this game.

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=85085

[Vaxkiller]

That is correct. There's a modifier but if you don't mind I'd rather I kept it to myself, tyvm.

Can you not see the reason I might be non-specific?

How does Vanilla cop help town, just claim everything, who the fuck cares about the modifier? What are your targets?

[Vaxkiller]

I thought scum!flip was going to claim my role, since it's already been outed, and I was hoping he'd get caught with the wrong night choices.

I'm the lazy roleblocker.

N1 GE
N2 Norwegian
N3 quiet
N4 Momrangal

This is how town claims

[Vaxkiller]

Gamma talk to me

[Vaxkiller]

There's my work. It's now date night. TTYL.

Tell your date about how you do VCA

[Vaxkiller]

Also on the Titus-VCA front I feel like Norway fits more as a townbeard than as scum based on noticed behaviors.

What behaviors? He seems town to me.

Also, I need to talk to you.

[Vaxkiller]

@gamma You said my posts here reminded you of the pokeman game (yea i just realized it ended... i never got a msg it ended). Then I posted a recent town game game and you said my posts looked similar to here.

Im not great at reading myself, but my pokemon game was very weak. I can name a dozen pokemon or so, but I could not think up a fake claim for the life of me. This carried over into the game, I was always worried about being called out about pokeman lore. Eventually the game pointed to me and my scum team tried to help, but ultimately I was unsure, about what to claim. I failed because I couldn't post with certainty about anything.

How is that similar to hear, and how is that similar to college basketball?

[Vaxkiller]

Because my town reads havent asked

[Vaxkiller]

Its not needed

[Vaxkiller]

Scratch that, not town reads, but ppl im sure are town.


BBmolla
DBG

[Vaxkiller]

VOTE: momrangle

[Vaxkiller]

I want to see something. Help me a little.

[Vaxkiller]

Vaxkiller i see you online periodically. Can you help me understand what you’re up to.

I work in IT. It's the busy time ATM, but I still have a mafiascum tab up most of the day. I will sometimes check in and read a little. My posting style (times that I post) has changed due to this busy time (before I would just post all day during work).

Why did you ask this question?

[Vaxkiller]

Damnit. DGB you and I are going to have a talk tomorrow.

[Vaxkiller]

Lets see if I have time.

[Vaxkiller]

Who else is on this shit wagon? Looked like bad town at first, did scum join?

DGB, serisously, I expected better from you. You admitted titus was just being anti town, not scum, then you start posting stuff like this

[Vaxkiller]

Yeah but Titus

You're scum

So no

We're limming OUTSIDE of your pool

[Vaxkiller]

But not voting her? cmon

[Vaxkiller]

Damn why did you guys fade so early. I know I've been inactive lately, but if you just friggin wait.

[Vaxkiller]

Something else pinged me too. Someone sus'ing DGB for reasoning that came off like shit. Ill have to find it. They claimed your role made you town. It's really been your play.

But this is just bad.

[Vaxkiller]

Here is my theory. Titus flips scum. But im thinking scum stayed off this wagon mostly, because they wanted to keep titus around. They may have joined at the end. Im not read up.

[Vaxkiller]

I can also do the Hayker tomorrow thing

Yuck

[Vaxkiller]

Chkflip comming in with the LHF vote on hawker? Sketchy as fuck. What was that? Are they on titus?

[Vaxkiller]

BBmolla. Please do something. I can't protect you forever.

[Vaxkiller]

Gamma, you give me vibes from that one game I played with you DGB and unwn (the one with unwnd and me being in a neighborhood). What did you turn out to be that game?

[Vaxkiller]

Im sorry for the verbal diarrhea but this is liek the 3rd time this has happened. I was just sitting down to play some dota and I checked in real fast to see and well....

[Vaxkiller]

Damn why did you guys fade so early. I know I've been inactive lately, but if you just friggin wait.

Don't blame us.

Why titus? Are you seriously telling me you are scumr eading them? Tell me now.

[Vaxkiller]

Damnit. My theory is titus flips TOWN. SCum stayed off the wagon.

[Vaxkiller]

Here is my theory. Titus flips scum. But im thinking scum stayed off this wagon mostly, because they wanted to keep titus around. They may have joined at the end. Im not read up.

Personally I thought chkflip was way closer to a sure thing, somewhere between 100% and 100% scum, but everyone else preferred Titus and maybe they're right.

Read that back to me.

[Vaxkiller]

Sry. Im not picking on you. I just. I was hard town reading you, and this is not really wanted I wanted to see. Titus was town, I swear you felt the same way.

[Vaxkiller]

Damnit. My theory is titus flips TOWN. SCum stayed off the wagon.

If she's town, why would scum avoid that wagon?

Because they wanted to keep her around because she was off target. If she was on target she would have been NK'd

[Vaxkiller]

Damnit. My theory is titus flips TOWN. SCum stayed off the wagon.

If she's town, why would scum avoid that wagon?

Because they wanted to keep her around because she was off target. If she was on target she would have been NK'd

Hell, maybe shes ON TARGET, but no one believes her.

[Vaxkiller]

I'm not entirely sure.

Do we have any other recent games beside that and pokeman?

[Vaxkiller]

I thought it was your activity, but that pretty high here, I thought it was lower in that other game. Maybe its in our own interactions.

[Vaxkiller]

I didnt interact with you alot in that game. I remember telling unwnd I thought you were town that game too.

[Vaxkiller]

A WILD HAWKER APPEARS!

[Vaxkiller]

Hayker, are you read up?

[Vaxkiller]

really?

[Vaxkiller]

According to the page that I read.

[Vaxkiller]

VT

@mom why did u think there was a masonry?


Why is mom conf town?


Who shot scum? Claim and be ascended, (if you are not already).

[Vaxkiller]

VOTE: BBMolla

VOTE: EE

[Vaxkiller]

Bina
Hayker
Vax/gamma

Andres
Molla
Norwee
Vax/gamma
Luca

That's what everything looks like now

So gamma or I are scum, but not together?

[Vaxkiller]

VOTE: NorwEE

Now im less sure.

[Vaxkiller]

like there's gotta be at least one scum in {Luca, Andres, NorwEE}

Not luca


EE or andres

[Vaxkiller]

I think we need the Vig to Claim. I at least would like to have that.

Actually, it doesn't have to be a vig. 3P comes to mind.

what

are you high

I think we need the Vig to Claim. I at least would like to have that.

Actually, it doesn't have to be a vig. 3P comes to mind.

Are there 3p in normal games?

I think we need the Vig to Claim. I at least would like to have that.

Actually, it doesn't have to be a vig. 3P comes to mind.

Are there 3p in normal games?

Yeah. Large 228 had a SK.

ewwww
I missed this original post. Follwed up by the EE suggestion

[Vaxkiller]

VOTE: vaxkiller

yea ok.

[Vaxkiller]

Vote EE

[Vaxkiller]

I'm guessing Binatog target Andresvmb.
Please confirm it though.

[Vaxkiller]

I dont like this

[Vaxkiller]

Also chk visited both me and andres

Are you the vig?

[Vaxkiller]

Norway is not town.

[Vaxkiller]

Fam? ur voting me? @gamaa

[Vaxkiller]

No I'm vt, I've claimed VT ages ago

CLAIMED

[Vaxkiller]

Werent u scum reading chk? Or was that someone else>

[Vaxkiller]

No worries dont answer if u are mom. Ur town.

[Vaxkiller]

Alot of people were scum reading chk

Yea but that much? I member someone from yesterday who wanted them very bad, but id have to check..... and im drinking.

[Vaxkiller]

it pretty much a meta defense but like in most cases from norway I've seen, he's active as town and inactive as scum
so it's a pretty solid meta imo

Can anyone else confirm this?

[Vaxkiller]

You don't think he has the ability to be active as scum? That's just as bad as saying nero is a lurksack as scum like....

Dont be like that.


Great now I feel like gamma protecting EE.


Ok rethinking.


I just having a hard time seeing bbmolla scum here. He has some good thoughts. He ahs some bad thoughts. He lets it all hang out.

[Vaxkiller]

btw I'm probably gonna evaluate hayker more seriously now

WAit a sec

[Vaxkiller]

You think the lim chk wanted was scum?

Ok ty for taking the words out of my mouth. But i was thinking the other way. I having a had tiem finding it tho

[Vaxkiller]

Argh

[Vaxkiller]

So the dudes name is HAY_KER not HAWK_ER, which I know myself has made the mistake (no surprise) of, but also chkflip made the same mistake (as I originally searched for HAWK while searching through chkflips iso and found a few hits)

Wait

[Vaxkiller]

Myslef, titus, quiet, chickflip, ranny, and possibly other called him hawker

[Vaxkiller]

It’d be funny if I was the vig wouldn’t it be

Sigh, dude just out it.

[Vaxkiller]

Myslef, titus, quiet, chickflip, ranny, and possibly other called him hawker

So my original thought is bust.

[Vaxkiller]

But if the Vig *doesn’t* have to claim, and they want to take more shots, then that would be a good reason not to out.

Yep that is a reasonable assumption and I’ve never disputed it

Well that makes it easy.
Vote Vax/Hayker/Molla to win the game.

This is false. Not even just false, it's bad. I'm busy I'll be on later, or hammer me and find out.

[Vaxkiller]

Ill be on tomorrow morning at 8sih est

[Vaxkiller]

GG all, was really fun. I thought we had a scum victory in the bag, until it all came crashing down!

GG town! GG EE, nice playing!