Gypyx's Large Normal Review, January 2021

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checking in, ill give this some time tomorrow.

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Yeah, so the all mafia neighborhood with the traitor just effectively makes it a group scum PT.

Other than I that, I think the 17p is relatively fine, probably make a neighborhood out of a few of the Mafia/Town so the PT cop has something.

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Town Day 1 IC Personal Gunsmith
Town PT Cop
Town Loud Vanilla Cop Neighbor (a)
Town Vengeful Combined Babysitter Vigilante
Town 3-shot Loyal Checker
Town Neighborizer (c)
Town Macho Rolestopper

Mafia Ascetic Disloyal Babysitter Neighbor (b)
Mafia Annoucing Jailkeeper Neighbor (b)
Mafia Detective Neighbor (b)
Mafia Bulletproof Traitor Neighbor Neighbor (a ; b)

Serial Killer Roleblocker Rolestopper 1-shot Commuter


Same thing here with the traitor effectively not mattering too much, I get the weaker side of things.

It's swingy, but I think it's decently balanced.

the disloyal babysitter is a little rough because it gives a double kill in a normal for mafia possibly.

the babysitter vigilante, I don't really like the combined vigilante part, because the babysitter becomes pretty useless? And the vengeful does seem a bit like overkill on the role.

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there's already the traitor / vcop hood, you'd want more?

i'm more not really understanding the all mafia hood with the traitor, that's essentially just a Scum PT, which kinda makes the traitor not matter.

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Detective can check whether or not someone has attempter to perform a kill, correct? So if they target the babysitter vigilante they should get a positive result here, which I kind of like anyways.

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Mafia always have guns unless they're a doctor or traitor, which is interesting, you wanted your 4th scum member to not be checkable to gunsmith, right?

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oh, right. so yeah, that checks out too. Neat. coming together nicely.

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i like the 17p much better, and think it's decently balanced.

Is there a reason you're hiding the vengeful in the Informed?

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I just know if I was informed of that, and saw them get claimed, I'd naturally want to push them as scum, so it almost feels like a possible punish for good play, but that could just be a personal thing

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saw them claim* without the vengeful

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but yeah, that's why I'm okay with it as is because that's a strong role.

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i think you have mod meta that makes it not as much, yeah.


what do you think, Isis? Maybe 1 more low power town PR?

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How does an enabler for a combined role work? Does it shutdown the entire role if it dies, or just alter it?

i think it would only shut down the combined role, like if there was just a vigilante, it wouldn't shut it down.

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I think it's the former.

Looking at all 3 setups you've designed, I think your modmeta is such that a vanilla cop is the same thing as a neapolitan in your setups. Which is maybe more town power than ideal, here, actually..

well, it's a little different because the vanilla cop wont know the vanilla's are cleared still, so it can be fought against still

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Ah, yeah, that could come out, which could be good play on a townie's part.

I do like Goons in setup, I almost think scum are put in a better place because of a Goon on the team.

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it's getting close, though, i was almost ready to pass it. sorry i've been mia for a minute.

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I kinda think you could do well modding a theme game, if you haven't already, with the same type of mentality that you bring to the normal games, just don't have to limit for normalcy (should still go for balance of course)

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isnt that just Best Friends? (Masons without the PT)

"You know blank is town, and that they know you are town."

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i kinda like it, i'd pass it

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yeah, i think it's good. if I were scum there, i'd be able to abuse that informed knowledge very well to scum's major benefit in a way i'd really have to be on my game to do, though, and that's kinda what i like about it. town has the potential to do VERY well, but scum typically should be able to do some work in this one

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none of the roles scream have to be town besides the vengeful and the best friends, so yeah, id say it's good. a little bit of swing in certain places, but it's a good on the more complex end of a normal game.

Yeah, let's see the role pm's for em, i guess

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that would count as 2 shots, i would imagine, yeah.

/pass

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yes

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JKer protects from only 1 kill attempt also?