Titus v Nancy Drew (Game Over)

[Dunnstral]

hello Ircher hi samantha hi Krazy hii Kanna hi Pooky hi Gamma hi mastina hi Auro hi Lunar hi Dunny hi clidd hi Toog hi BM hi Saudade !

~Bat

Hello Tweetie

[Dunnstral]

Uh ok I think Toog is scum.
VOTE: Toog

They did this as vt in the last version of this setup

You were both there right?

Why do you think this time they are scum?

(I don't find them town for this)

[Dunnstral]

Good evening to you all. I'm not going to overspeculate, but I'm going to at least assume scum didn't go crazy with their role picks. I'm VT which means I'm just along for the ride this game. Titus' got her team she wants, Nancy's got their team of Masons they want, other peeps got some juicy powerz probably, and then me... stuck in the middle twiddlin' my thumbs.

Wait... Why's this feel so familiar? Pooky, I'm having déjà vu!?!

Oft hope is born when all is forlorn. You can tell this post is prepared from the accents in "deja vu".

Why do the accents mean it was prepared? What do you make of it being prepared?

It takes more effort to add the accents to deja vu, effort one may not have the patience for in real time. Pregame however, there is plenty. It's scum-indicative.

Before you ask me why I'm not switching my vote; I'd like to keep it on Starcrossed for now.

How much 'patience' do you really need to google deja vu and get the accents?

[Dunnstral]

VOTE: Battle Mage

I think you're jumping the gun here. Battle Mage is in some ways very like mastina; they're both loud, both confident, and both have ample opportunity to be wrong. For an early game read, I don't think Battle Mage's take is bad (though I agree it raises some eyebrows).
~Ircher

if it raises eyebrows then what's the harm in pyro voting BM here? ilike what actually is the point of this post?

-shadow

VOTE: War and Peace

[Dunnstral]

Toogeloo's lawyer

No I am.

My skill level depends on whether or not I want my client convicted.

Someone should stop me from representing 17 clients at the same time.

shall i indulge in a bit of early-game WIFOM? i reckon you just kept it simple and picked broadly those you see as the strongest players, rather than trying to do anything more ambitious i.e. trying to triple-bluff. :lol:

And who do you think that is?

[Dunnstral]

Why are you "indulging in wifom" with Titus?

[Dunnstral]

Battle Mage,

Some are aware, which means all will be once someone brings it up. I think on it's own it's slightly town-indicative. Toogeloo if VT, is highly encouraged to repeat the claim if last game. Toogeloo if scum, may be encouraged to gambit it as scum.

I disagree - it serves least value if Toogeloo actually is a VT. I could buy the argument it's a town PR play maybe, but not sure Toogeloo is the 'fakeclaim as town' sort.

To me it makes most sense as a scumplay, although alternatives are possible. I could easily imagine Titus picking Toogeloo and suggesting he does that as a gambit (given Titus modded the last game and had a good view of it's effectiveness)

Wasn't toogeloo eliminated or vigged in the last game?

[Dunnstral]

i dont remember anyone wanting to elim Toogeloo? Admittedly I died Day 1, but in that first 110 pages I thought we had pretty much unanimous agreement that Toogeloo was town because of the manner of his claim. Maybe you're right though. I'm still fine with my vote.

I definitely was not part of this 'unanimous agreement' last game

[Dunnstral]

I feel really good right now about Battle Mage and the Shadowslug hydra just because we all had the same take at the exact same time. It felt like all went 'huh' naturally together, and it made me giggle.

i'm not quite as enthusastic as this mostly because it felt like low hanging fruit and any decent scum would identify problems with ircher's posts, but i like you trying to form a lil gang early on :cop:

-ss

Are you saying scum would bus ircher, or that ircher could be town getting pushed by scum?

[Dunnstral]

Does that make any sense?

No, I'm responding to things as I read, and arguing that I'm "trying to go unnoticed" is a stretch

[Dunnstral]

A dunnstral SR is forming because of this post:

How much 'patience' do you really need to google deja vu and get the accents?

Last time I played with town you, you were so serious and your vibe was "lets get down to business I have no time for your bullshit baby talk, Noraa"
This time ... you're shitposting?

I'm not?

That's a serious post

[Dunnstral]

Does that make any sense?

No, I'm responding to things as I read, and arguing that I'm "trying to go unnoticed" is a stretch

you're missing the point. the point is that I think you're asking too many questions and trying to blend in too much. Theres no good way to reply to this and I feel like your attempt to reply is also quite scummy.

That's... not a tell that I have, and me responding to you isn't scummy

[Dunnstral]

I think Italiano is being defended too hard for the content he's actually posted

Not saying that's scummy, just misguided

[Dunnstral]

I don't think Italiano is a likely draft, but I'm also fairly confident that I'll be able to sort Italiano.

-Rogue 3

Fair point

[Dunnstral]

I think Italiano is being defended too hard for the content he's actually posted

Not saying that's scummy, just misguided

What do you make of Pyro, then?

Towny

[Dunnstral]

Fey seems like town rn

Agree

[Dunnstral]

Batsunami,

What if I told you Dunnstral does this short reply thing regardless of alignment? Does that alter your confidence?

I've played enough games with Dunn to know that.

You framed it as if it was a scum tell and the reason for your vote

[Dunnstral]

It's too early to call anyone a "lurker"

[Dunnstral]

Are you saying this is a tell that is specific to Dunnstral?

I'm not sure if its a tell. Something just feels off about Dunn this game and I'm trying to figure out what. I do think it is that I feel he's being quite mellow compared to his normal self and I tend to think that comes from scum.

You called me scum on like page 5

What am I supposed to be aside from "mellow"?

I don't typically come out of the gates swinging. Right now I'm voting War and Peace because I think there was a valid point made there and I like the wagon.

[Dunnstral]

Battsunami, how much of your current opinion is MT vs Noraa?

[Dunnstral]

Battsunami, how much of your current opinion is MT vs Noraa?

basically 100% Noraa. Morning signs her posts and also she's doing calc hw rn.

That's what I suspected. I'm pretty sure MT is going to tell you to reverse course or at least hold off when they show up.

[Dunnstral]

Would anyone else like to chime in on the points that I'm making right now?

I feel like Batsunami ignoring me has had a spillover effect to other people not wanting to chime in... which is most likely what they want, for me to be tuned out.

You have good points

Batsunami is being weird

I just don't think that makes them scum

They are being annoying though

[Dunnstral]

Would anyone else like to chime in on the points that I'm making right now?

I feel like Batsunami ignoring me has had a spillover effect to other people not wanting to chime in... which is most likely what they want, for me to be tuned out.

You have good points

Batsunami is being weird

I just don't think that makes them scum

They are being annoying though

I just find it very strange that they won't answer a point that is minute, and double down on it to this degree. It feels like it doesn't benefit anyone to refuse to answer something and then speak to the town stump, as that doesn't do anything for us... and to appeal to them in a certain way that makes you look cute and kind is worse.

I think it is mainly personality, the ignoring you thing is overt and so doesn't feel like a scum strat

The trying to look 'cute' and suck up to other people like the town stump is the best argument here and might have merit

[Dunnstral]

dunn's posting is the sort of posting that you don't really think twice about, it's just kinda there. nothing rly sticks out it, and i think the sorts of questioning he's been making can easily be faked as scum

I think my posting is being analyzed to a degree that other people's posting isn't for no discernable reason

Also, I don't agree with the implication that I'm making 'nothing posts'

[Dunnstral]

Also the title for this one is kinda out of order compared to other Versus games and it throws me for a loop somewhat

I suspect nancy's profile pic looks better in the bottom right than in the top left for the image

[Dunnstral]

Can I ask that you respect my read on Batsunami and apply pressure elsewhere for now?

May I suggest ItalianoVD?

No, that's a boring wagon, and War and Peace has real teeth

[Dunnstral]

Can I ask that you respect my read on Batsunami and apply pressure elsewhere for now?

May I suggest ItalianoVD?

No, that's a boring wagon, and War and Peace has real teeth

That’s tied with you below two others. That’s boring.

How?

Because they are lesser wagons....

Are you kidding me

ItalianoVD is a wagon that goes nowhere right now

And there are real reasons to vote for other people

[Dunnstral]

VOTE COUNT 1 . 3

• ItalianoVD
  ---------- 3 ( ItalianoVD(1), Sherlock and Watson(1), Gamma Emerald(5)[/i] )
  
  War and Peace
  ------- 2 ( Pyro(11), Dunnstral(4) )
  
  Starcrossed
  --------- 2 ( Rogue Squadron(1), War and Peace(1), Titus(1) )
  
  Dunnstral
  ----------- 2 ( Batsunami(31), Battle Mage(19) )
  
  Toogeloo
  ------------ 1 ( Charlie and Snoopy(1) )
  
  Batsunami
  ----------- 1 ( Fey(32) )
  
  Saudade
  ------------- 0 ( No One )
  
  Sherlock and Watson
  - 0 ( No One )
  
  Gamma Emerald
  ------- 0 ( No One )
  
  Morty and Rick
  ------ 0 ( No One )
  
  SaraharaS
  ----------- 0 ( No One )
  
  Fey
  ----------------- 0 ( No One )
  
  Rogue Squadron
  ------ 0 ( No One )
  
  Clidd
  --------------- 0 ( No One )
  
  Battle Mage
  --------- 0 ( No One )
  
  Pyro
  ---------------- 0 ( No One )
  
  Charlie and Snoopy
  -- 0 ( No One )
  
  
  
  Not Voting
  ---------- 7 ( Starcrossed(2), Morty and Rick(0), SaraharaS(0), Clidd(0), Toogeloo(6), Saudade(0), Nancy Drew 39(17) )

With 17 alive, it takes 9 to Flip
Deadline is in (expired on 2021-02-25 20:00:00)

Why is Italiano being voted? Anyone?

One of the votes is a self vote

And then sherlock is pushing him hard for some reason

[Dunnstral]

I also feel like War and Peace could just be town. stick them in the townpile for today.

As much as I currently SR ircher, I agree with this.

Based on what?

At both of you

[Dunnstral]

Why do you agree with it if you scumread him? That doesn't make sense

[Dunnstral]

I think he's scum but the way his wagon built up is unsettling.

I think the opposite about the wagon

[Dunnstral]

VOTE: dunnstral

Explain

[Dunnstral]

Ircher is known for getting wagoned day 1 as town

Is he? This isn't something I was familiar with

[Dunnstral]

Sherlock is scummy. The awkward push on Italiano and the pivot onto me.

[Dunnstral]

ircher's absence just as pressure was mounting on him is conspicuous to say the least

seems like he was purely focused on defence then got the F outta there, no follow through from him

I dont think so. Ircher generally spends most of games catching up. It's just his style.


The speed of the wagon buildup was shockingly similar to pookyvflava.

Ircher is known for getting wagoned day 1 as town

Is he? This isn't something I was familiar with

Its what I got from my past games with ircher yeah.

Posts 89 and 90 is why I think this is a good wagon. Post 82 is an awkward defense where he shouldn't be defending because he says the take "raises some eyebrows"

[Dunnstral]

Riiiiight - because you’ve never played with me before.

I don't know what I'm supposed to get from this, you're going to have to spell it out

[Dunnstral]

VOTE: Sherlock and Watson

[Dunnstral]

VOTE: ircher

I'm a pyro doublevoter

Also ask sam what she thinks about paimon for me

-S

This is scummy after fighting back against this for so long

The mason thing is scummy too

[Dunnstral]

I don't recall Fey ever expressing a read on me

[Dunnstral]

I don't recall Fey ever expressing a read on me

Idk. I assumed it was a TR.

You're assuming that because they're disagreeing with you.

They're not disagreeing with you because they townread you; it's because you're not making sense

[Dunnstral]

i haven't read the fey interactions with Noraa yet but as a general rule I think reading into emotion is valid and i do it a lot. purposefully riling people up is effective but i think it's really anti-fun and i prefer enjoying the game > winning it. Not saying that's what Fey was trying to do or anything but yeh

Mm it does come of come across that way, she does mention that engaging with Noraa while she is agitated will likely give a more unfiltered view of her mind. I would say that being more confrontative with Noraa to try and get this reaction out of her is towny. I think scumreading Noraa for a refusal to answer her question is weak -- although i suspect this was also done for a reaction. Worry about players buddying up to Nancy is valid

Italiano's entrance is stupid awkward but I lean towards agreeing more towards LHF especially considering i think he's a less likely draft

i'm getting the impression Noraa is finding Dunn scummy for something that isn't typically a scumtell for Dunn but she feels extremely strong in her gut that he's scum regardless. Reading further, her initial ping was definitely jumping the gun (the deja vu shitpost). Ill have to talk to her more about it but it does feel like normal Dunn play to me. This is actually more active posting from Dunn than im used to, reminds me of Vampire dance game where he was fairly present

this is gonna be really fun counterbalancing Noraa scumreading every single player by townreading every single player

PEDIT: HOLY FUCK

~Bat

The deja vu thing was a serious post.

[Dunnstral]

Slugchan ask marci how she feels being figurative day 1 masons

-S

Pedit: holy bat!

wow bad news buddy... she think u might be a little mafia slimeball...

I'll expand on this a bit,

I don't think s&w are the scummiest here, but they're one of the few people who stand out when i read the thread. I don't know exacly why, but i think its because they seemed a bit passive when they were first starting to post.

Who is the scummiest here then?

[Dunnstral]

Slugchan ask marci how she feels being figurative day 1 masons

-S

Pedit: holy bat!

wow bad news buddy... she think u might be a little mafia slimeball...

I'll expand on this a bit,

I don't think s&w are the scummiest here, but they're one of the few people who stand out when i read the thread. I don't know exacly why, but i think its because they seemed a bit passive when they were first starting to post.

Who is the scummiest here then?

I originally thought fey was hella town, but then when i read her x nora freakout i feel like she was reacting too much for it.. and it felt

off

Rouge Squadron i feel like gives lurker vibes.

^ one of these two.

ok

I personally disagree with both of those (in rogue's case I'd need to see more before calling them scummy)

[Dunnstral]

I keep thinking Nancy is the scum stump because I expect the title to go "TOWN stump vs SCUM stump" .-.

-Morty

[Dunnstral]

I'm undecided on Dunnstral this far

Why are you afraid to townread me?

[Dunnstral]

Hello i have finished my homework good enough

i've seen ircher get run up D1 in Pooky v FL as well as Grand idea GPick and i believe hectic mentioned Ircher gets early pressure a lot once. Don't know what the context of this convo is but can confirm i think Ircher usually catches flak early on

~Bat

He got wagoned D1 as Sequence in BTXV as well

He wasn't town in that game though.

I retract my Townread
- Rogue 3

you're aware of the game's premise right

Yeah titus wrote that but she can shade her own team as wifom; you shouldn't have made 382, he wasn't town in that game. His motives as 3p don't really matter, he was non-town so could have been playing differently which led to him being wagoned.

VOTE: War and Peace

[Dunnstral]

Yeah, I trust the case on Ircher's tone around 3 pages ago: I haven't read any of Ircher's posts myself, but it seems legitimate.

[Dunnstral]

What's the problem Funnstral

-Morty

Kind of weird to be voting without looking at it for yourself

[Dunnstral]

Kind of weird to be voting without looking at it for yourself

I did look at it afterwards, and don't really have a baseline for his play, but as I said - the reasoning feels legitimate - do you disagree with the case?

-Morty

The case is fine

[Dunnstral]

So join me? What's your case for Ponglin?

-Morty

I did.

Sherlock & Watson was pushing italiano in a weird way when that was an easy push for scum to make, they reacted weird to being told the wagon had teeth and pivoted to me, and then they started doing this awkward mason thing

[Dunnstral]

I'm undecided on Dunnstral this far

Why are you afraid to townread me?

Should I be? Reading back, I do like your take on the wagon formation, and I like your prodding onto Sherlock.

It feels like you keep saying I'm null like you have reservations about me in some way.

Do you have any particular feelings toward the people trying to figure out who you are an alt of?

[Dunnstral]

I'm not vibing with the W/P elimination.

VOTE: Charlie and Snoopy

Let's eliminate scum ^

I noted that they're still voting Toogeloo while having other scumreads

[Dunnstral]

I'm undecided on Dunnstral this far

Why are you afraid to townread me?

Should I be? Reading back, I do like your take on the wagon formation, and I like your prodding onto Sherlock.

It feels like you keep saying I'm null like you have reservations about me in some way.

Do you have any particular feelings toward the people trying to figure out who you are an alt of?

I haven't seen anything from you that I find scummy if that's what you're asking.

I find the speculation about my identity amusing. I like you, so I'll confirm or deny any one guess you have if you have one.

Nah I don't/can't alt guess and don't care to out you either, that wasn't where I was leading with that

I was under the impression that the stumps knew all the alts in the game, but upon review of the rules it doesn't say that anywhere. I believe this was something that happened in the last game and I'm not sure if the tradition has been carried over

So I'm looking at these guys alt guessing and I'm wondering what it means for their alignment.

[Dunnstral]

His opinions seem like projections imo of what he judges that he should be thinking. Amost as if they did not come from an uninformed pov.

But this is something that I intend to go into details when I have access to my computer (I'm on mobile).

I don't understand what this means: he thinks that other people should think that he scumreads fey and rogue?

[Dunnstral]

Hey, Titus, you promised you wouldn't out alts in the signup thread;

I missed this. I don't think she'd out the alts then.

[Dunnstral]

THANK FUCKING GOD I'VE GOT THE INTERNET BACK NOW I CAN HAVE MY LIFE BACK AND BE ABLE TO PLAY MAFIA.

But, uhhhhh, keep in mind: it's gonna take me a while to catch up on three bloody days, I'll get to everything promise, just keep in mind I've got boatloads of things to catch up on, this game among them but not just this game, so many other things too.

mastina is literally IC lmao

okay this game is easier now

-S

That post isn't AI

[Dunnstral]

Actually, what are they talking about "three days" - we're on day 1. I don't even think that post was intended for this game... which again, isn't AI

[Dunnstral]

My gosh 25 pages??? I haven’t caught up. If I’m on the block gimme a minute.

Why would you assume you're on the block?

[Dunnstral]

VOTE: italiano
thanks for the scum claim friend

That wagon’s not happening, Why is he scum?

Don't tell me what's not happening when we have an entire week of gameplay

I’m the town stump

and....?

And she knows more about the setup than we do, namely who the masons are, so we shouldn't try to eliminate when she's saying no on day 1 or risk outing masons

UNVOTE: War and Peace

[Dunnstral]

I'll take my leave too.

Everyone seems recruitable to me...

Let me know when you actually want to powersolve.

I am interested in this

[Dunnstral]

#238 Alright so this is two instances now of Dunnstral calling out what he sees, but not what comes of it. Is this behavior telling? Maybe batsunami would have something to say.

I'm not confident in calling it scummy but want it to be made known because it looks funny

[Dunnstral]

Still following me? Probably not.

I don't want to touch Dominant players today.

I would compromise with a social player.
My preference: Morty and Rick > Sherlock and Watson > Saudade > Akarin.

I would very much lim anyone who is coasting.
My preference: Battle Mage > Starcrossed > Toogeloo > War and Peace.

Unknown is crapshoot. Scum doesn't care about them or it's scum who doesn't care.

From those pools I'd do:

Sherlock and Watson > Saudade > Akarin > Morty and Rick

I think Akarin looks kind of towny, Morty and Rick also look kind of towny, Sherlock and Watson do not

and then

Battle Mage > Starcrossed > Toogeloo > War and Peace

Not doing W & P because Nancy is against it. If not a mason then they can potentially be mafia

I don't like Battle Mage's contribution here, Starcrossed was null but the recent posts feel kind of scummy, Toogeloo is also kind of coasting/scummy.

[Dunnstral]

I'll take my leave too.

Everyone seems recruitable to me...

Let me know when you actually want to powersolve.

I am interested in this

Sorry Pyro!! I really wanted to today, but it just didn't work out... and I don't think that my thoughts have changed much overnight, I'm okay with the wagon and little pool of mafia that I have, and it doesn't feel pressing compared to self caring!

(You all should be doing that too! Make sure you're taking care!)

By the way I meant I was interested in being involved with the "powersolving"

[Dunnstral]

There are some players who I couldn't organize into a group. They simply fit as

unknown

. I think Italiano is probably the most scummy in this group but you run the risk of ending D1 with little to no information.

That would be:
SaraharaS, Italiano, Clidd.

Also Pooky is in this game.

I thought SaraharaS was alt slipping from the War and Peace hydra

[Dunnstral]

Oh, Pooky is part of Starcrossed

i signed up for pooky to carry me but his back hurts apparently...

~mitsuha

i signed up for pooky to carry me but his back hurts apparently...

~mitsuha

Sorry dear :3

I might have gotten distracted by your beautiful eyes :>

I don't really like this exchange

VOTE: Starcrossed

[Dunnstral]

525 might be a post by us, Noraa wanted to wait on BM to press it when we have the maximum chance of succeeding because she is very confident. I don't share this school of thinking because i am never confident enough to purposefully try to push for a kill, but apparently now is the time

Yeah its always better to wait to take out deep wolves but nah, this game, my motto is go big or go home.

Battle Mage a deep wolf? You think you catch my wolves easily day 1?

hang on, am i dead? or imminently dying? lol just weighing up whether there's any point doing a thorough catch up. :lol:

I'm not reading into Titus wifom.

But what may be telling here is that Titus and Battle Mage start posting at about the same time, as if they were discussing something in a pt beforehand

[Dunnstral]

Since no one's done draft speculation yet, these are the players I think Titus is most likely to pick:

War and Peace (Ircher + samantha97)
Sherlock and Watson (Krazy + PenguinPower)
Starcrossed (Kanna + PookyTheMagicalBear)
Gamma Emerald
Morty and Rick (mastina + Auro)
Dunnstral
Battle Mage

I understand your hesitance now

[Dunnstral]

Since no one's done draft speculation yet, these are the players I think Titus is most likely to pick:

War and Peace (Ircher + samantha97)
Sherlock and Watson (Krazy + PenguinPower)
Starcrossed (Kanna + PookyTheMagicalBear)
Gamma Emerald
Morty and Rick (mastina + Auro)
Dunnstral
Battle Mage

I understand your hesitance now

To add on: I don't actually understand why you think Titus would pick me (or if that's true)

It could be true that she's inclined that way but I wouldn't know it
Reasoning for the whole list would be nice actually

[Dunnstral]

I want the following slots to claim

Clidd, Gamma, Suffering. Go.

please hold while I catch up.

I'm leaning town on Clidd and Suffering and I'm null on gamma

[Dunnstral]

Since no one's done draft speculation yet, these are the players I think Titus is most likely to pick:

War and Peace (Ircher + samantha97)
Sherlock and Watson (Krazy + PenguinPower)
Starcrossed (Kanna + PookyTheMagicalBear)
Gamma Emerald
Morty and Rick (mastina + Auro)
Dunnstral
Battle Mage

Can you tell me why you think those are her picks? Is it possible that she might have gone an entirely different route to throw me off the track?

They're slots capable of directing mislaunches, and are generally less shitposty/fluffy. This is without considering WIFOM factors or Titus trying to throw you off. These are just the players I think Titus likes and would want on her scumteam generally.

OK. I don't know how accurate this is but there's plenty of names I scumlean on this list regardless of this

[Dunnstral]

Battle Mage is just Dunn in Titus vs Alisae

why do I have this effect on scum lmao

-S

What?

[Dunnstral]

idk for some reason scum seem to like feel they need to push me/discredit me day 1 in these vs. games

probably because I already have *counts* NINE masons lmao

-S

i mean, you have to ask yourself, why would anyone NOT push you if you shoot out reads with no logic, then avoid the issue when challenged, and ultimately double down with no effort to defend your reasoning properly. regardless of your alignment, you're not doing yourself any favours.

This is so ironic

[Dunnstral]

525 might be a post by us, Noraa wanted to wait on BM to press it when we have the maximum chance of succeeding because she is very confident. I don't share this school of thinking because i am never confident enough to purposefully try to push for a kill, but apparently now is the time

Yeah its always better to wait to take out deep wolves but nah, this game, my motto is go big or go home.

Battle Mage a deep wolf? You think you catch my wolves easily day 1?

hang on, am i dead? or imminently dying? lol just weighing up whether there's any point doing a thorough catch up. :lol:

I'm not reading into Titus wifom.

But what may be telling here is that Titus and Battle Mage start posting at about the same time, as if they were discussing something in a pt beforehand

Thinking about this more:

Titus wouldn't make this mistake. She's knowledgeable enough to understand how that can be perceived

However, Battle Mage could make this mistake, and I don't necessarily believe that Titus would tell Battle Mage 'hey don't post for a while, I'm posting' before he made the post

[Dunnstral]

Oh, Pooky is part of Starcrossed

i signed up for pooky to carry me but his back hurts apparently...

~mitsuha

i signed up for pooky to carry me but his back hurts apparently...

~mitsuha

Sorry dear :3

I might have gotten distracted by your beautiful eyes :>

I don't really like this exchange

VOTE: Starcrossed

eh what?!

~mitsu

What do you need from me here?

[Dunnstral]

Since no one's done draft speculation yet, these are the players I think Titus is most likely to pick:

War and Peace (Ircher + samantha97)
Sherlock and Watson (Krazy + PenguinPower)
Starcrossed (Kanna + PookyTheMagicalBear)
Gamma Emerald
Morty and Rick (mastina + Auro)
Dunnstral
Battle Mage

I understand your hesitance now

I don't get it. Can you explain?

Their hesitance to call me town

[Dunnstral]

Since no one's done draft speculation yet, these are the players I think Titus is most likely to pick:

War and Peace (Ircher + samantha97)
Sherlock and Watson (Krazy + PenguinPower)
Starcrossed (Kanna + PookyTheMagicalBear)
Gamma Emerald
Morty and Rick (mastina + Auro)
Dunnstral
Battle Mage

I understand your hesitance now

I don't get it. Can you explain?

Their hesitance to call me town

Did Pooky tr you in Pooky vs FL?

Nope. Wouldn't even let me hold mason cover past day 1

[Dunnstral]

ok so some claims have already happened.

Nancy, why are we getting so many claims right now?

[Dunnstral]

Clidd claimed vt

after

5uffering claimed vanilla cop

So even if clidd shows as vanilla, it doesn't meaningfully tell us anything.

To be clear: I think clidd looks kind of towny and has his own pov on the game

[Dunnstral]

I don't want W&P to claim :wink:

remove us from vig targets thx

I do think you should claim though

[Dunnstral]

Clidd claimed vt

after

5uffering claimed vanilla cop

So even if clidd shows as vanilla, it doesn't meaningfully tell us anything.

To be clear: I think clidd looks kind of towny and has his own pov on the game

no.

No what?

[Dunnstral]

Got to page 58. Getting bored. The game pages keep adding up. Makes me sad.

Batsunami has 386 posts and Nancy has 268 some 48 hours after the game opened

You guys should slow down

[Dunnstral]

That's over 26 pages from 2 people

[Dunnstral]

I feel like 4-5 votes is like the precise point where scum replace out to avoid accusations of tactical replace outs,

In which case, it would be tactical...

[Dunnstral]

VOTE: Battle Mage

I believe this is L-3

[Dunnstral]

Oh, Pooky is part of Starcrossed

i signed up for pooky to carry me but his back hurts apparently...

~mitsuha

i signed up for pooky to carry me but his back hurts apparently...

~mitsuha

Sorry dear :3

I might have gotten distracted by your beautiful eyes :>

I don't really like this exchange

VOTE: Starcrossed

eh what?!

~mitsu

What do you need from me here?

Interested in this, what was your reaction about?

[Dunnstral]

@Pyro: I'm only here for a little bit, but do you want to solve anything...? ^^; I feel like we're all just focusing on the same slot, which isn't bad, but it's only one member of the team and I wanna find more!

I'm also here, hint hint

[Dunnstral]

VOTE COUNT 1 . 12

• Battle Mage
  --------- 5 ( Morty and Rick(62), Sherlock and Watson(98), Fey(77), Batsunami(216), Titus(74), Pyro(121) )
  F- 4
  
  
  Saudade
  ------------- 4 ( ItalianoVD(14), War and Peace(16), clidd(31), Gamma Emerald(42), Nancy Drew 39(260) )
  F- 5
  
  
  War and Peace
  ------- 2 ( Starcrossed(5), 5uffering(52) )
  F- 7
  
  
  Starcrossed
  --------- 1 ( Dunnstral(65) )
  F- 8
  
  
  Clidd
  --------------- 1 ( Red Eye Knights(46) )
  F- 8
  
  
  Fey
  ----------------- 1 ( Saudade(85) )
  F- 8
  
  
  Sherlock and Watson
  - 1 ( Battle Mage(81) )
  F- 8
  
  
  ItalianoVD
  ---------- 0 ( No One )
  F- 9
  
  
  Dunnstral
  ----------- 0 ( No One )
  F- 9
  
  
  5uffering
  ----------- 0 ( No One )
  F- 9
  
  
  Toogeloo
  ------------ 0 ( No One )
  F- 9
  
  
  Gamma Emerald
  ------- 0 ( No One )
  F- 9
  
  
  Red Eye Knights
  ----- 0 ( No One )
  F- 9
  
  
  Batsunami
  ----------- 0 ( No One )
  F- 9
  
  
  Morty and Rick
  ------ 0 ( No One )
  F- 9
  
  
  SaraharaS
  ----------- 0 ( No One )
  F- 9
  
  
  Pyro
  ---------------- 0 ( No One )
  F- 9
  
  
  
  
  Not Voting
  ---------- 2 ( SaraharaS(1), Toogeloo(22) )

With 17 alive, it takes 9 to Flip
Deadline is in (expired on 2021-02-25 20:01:00)

Wait, Titus' vote counts?

[Dunnstral]

I'm down for some powersolving. Lend us some morale, Dunn.

OK. You want me to lay all of what I'm thinking reads-wise out?

[Dunnstral]

I'm not going to order by strength within tiers, just going to list what comes to mind:

Towny:
Batsunami
Pyro
Fey
5uffering

Lesser Towny:
Clidd
Morty and Rick (missing mastina posts)

Nully:
Red Eye Knights (I want to townlean them but rethinking it I think I was too eager)
Gamma Emerald (I don't think he's shown his hand yet either way)
toogeloo (not sure what to make of him, almost scummy but I think this fits better)
SaraharaS

Scumleans:
Sherlock and Holmes (Other people are saying they're playing as town, I'm not as great at meta reading them as they seem to think I am, I'm dialing it back a bit)
Saudade (Not for the Nancy usurping thing which could be nai)
Starcrossed
ItalianoVD (Their last 2 posts leave a lot to be desired, this could be scum coasting)

Scummy:
War & Peace
Battlemage

This is what I'm thinking right now

[Dunnstral]

Meaning she doesn't agree with the basis on the BM case, but hasn't said anything else on it since.

in 2 booneys ago she was pretty happy to hard bus day 1

that doesn't mean she'd bus here but I don't think she's the type of player to be frozen when a partner is going down

there is concern if BM does flip town but I feel like Sam might be just taking a back seat this game for other reasons

-S

pedit: I also don't think that post is TI for dunn but I do think dunn is town

pedi2: lol

They’re claim also seemed kind of sus. Wtf kind of claim is not vanilla? :lol:

Who?

[Dunnstral]

I'm not going to order by strength within tiers, just going to list what comes to mind:

Towny:
Batsunami
Pyro
Fey
5uffering

Lesser Towny:
Clidd
Morty and Rick (missing mastina posts)

Nully:
Red Eye Knights (I want to townlean them but rethinking it I think I was too eager)
Gamma Emerald (I don't think he's shown his hand yet either way)
toogeloo (not sure what to make of him, almost scummy but I think this fits better)
SaraharaS

Scumleans:
Sherlock and Holmes (Other people are saying they're playing as town, I'm not as great at meta reading them as they seem to think I am, I'm dialing it back a bit)
Saudade (Not for the Nancy usurping thing which could be nai)
Starcrossed
ItalianoVD (Their last 2 posts leave a lot to be desired, this could be scum coasting)

Scummy:
War & Peace
Battlemage

This is what I'm thinking right now

I actually agree with most of these, I believe. But also I had a big ping of paranoia reading this, because of that exact fact. I know that you are a good scum player, and some part of me worried you were just trying to... mimic the people who are more "dominant" this game, to borrow a word from another player. It seems uncanny.

On the other hand though... I pretty much agree with it so much that I am trying to work past that feeling because I shouldn't BoP you, but I feel like you should know that's where any wariness stems from. It's a bit hard to really power solve when we're in the same place. Like, we just sit here and twiddle our thumbs smiling and nodding at each other! ^^

Why do you have 5uffering that high up with the other 3 townreads at the top? And you gave everyone in your scumlean range a reason except Starcrossed, I know you've said a bit about them before but do you have anything else to add about them right now?

For 5uffering I liked the analysis in post 1065 and onwards. I did not take issue with the catchup they made before either. And then I liked their vote.

I don't have any other thoughts on Starcrossed right now. I'm noting 1981 which was just made. The way they are responding to me is weird... it's like I'm not really in this game

I don't think saying I've been mimicking is fair. I've agreed with things that have been said and also have my own opinions. I feel like most of my reads are my own right now.

[Dunnstral]

Spoiler:

I'm not going to order by strength within tiers, just going to list what comes to mind:

Towny:
Batsunami
Pyro
Fey
5uffering

Lesser Towny:
Clidd
Morty and Rick (missing mastina posts)

Nully:
Red Eye Knights (I want to townlean them but rethinking it I think I was too eager)
Gamma Emerald (I don't think he's shown his hand yet either way)
toogeloo (not sure what to make of him, almost scummy but I think this fits better)
SaraharaS

Scumleans:
Sherlock and Holmes (Other people are saying they're playing as town, I'm not as great at meta reading them as they seem to think I am, I'm dialing it back a bit)
Saudade (Not for the Nancy usurping thing which could be nai)
Starcrossed
ItalianoVD (Their last 2 posts leave a lot to be desired, this could be scum coasting)

Scummy:
War & Peace
Battlemage

This is what I'm thinking right now

These aren't too far off from where I'm at.

I want to townbin 5uffering but the manner of his entrance gives me paranoia, the way his catchup and dominant/social/coasting posts are structured is so performative, and almost

designed

to look town and be townread for. I'm gonna sound like mastina here, but those posts are towny, but scum have more incentive to make them.

Now that you say this I can kind of see this

[Dunnstral]

I'm noting 1981 which was just made. The way they are responding to me is weird... it's like I'm not really in this game

what does that (1981) tell you?

and sorry, did you address anything to us? we both haven't been reading the thread super closely. i'm not sure we responded to you, even

~mitsuha

I don't know what 1981 tells me - I agree with it, I'm just noting it

This is what you guys had to say earlier:

@Pooky why do you agree with Pyro’s reads?

because when me and kanna were talking about the game earlier my preliminary SRs were basically the same as Pyro's except I had Dunnstral instead of myself.

I kinda always SR dunnstral tho :>

Apparently you guys at least talked this over and came to a SR on me - why?

Oh, Pooky is part of Starcrossed

i signed up for pooky to carry me but his back hurts apparently...

~mitsuha

i signed up for pooky to carry me but his back hurts apparently...

~mitsuha

Sorry dear :3

I might have gotten distracted by your beautiful eyes :>

I don't really like this exchange

VOTE: Starcrossed

eh what?!

~mitsu

Why did you make this post?

[Dunnstral]

I'm not going to order by strength within tiers, just going to list what comes to mind:

Towny:
Batsunami
Pyro
Fey
5uffering

Lesser Towny:
Clidd
Morty and Rick (missing mastina posts)

Nully:
Red Eye Knights (I want to townlean them but rethinking it I think I was too eager)
Gamma Emerald (I don't think he's shown his hand yet either way)
toogeloo (not sure what to make of him, almost scummy but I think this fits better)
SaraharaS

Scumleans:
Sherlock and Holmes (Other people are saying they're playing as town, I'm not as great at meta reading them as they seem to think I am, I'm dialing it back a bit)
Saudade (Not for the Nancy usurping thing which could be nai)
Starcrossed
ItalianoVD (Their last 2 posts leave a lot to be desired, this could be scum coasting)

Scummy:
War & Peace
Battlemage

This is what I'm thinking right now

I actually agree with most of these, I believe. But also I had a big ping of paranoia reading this, because of that exact fact. I know that you are a good scum player, and some part of me worried you were just trying to... mimic the people who are more "dominant" this game, to borrow a word from another player. It seems uncanny.

On the other hand though... I pretty much agree with it so much that I am trying to work past that feeling because I shouldn't BoP you, but I feel like you should know that's where any wariness stems from. It's a bit hard to really power solve when we're in the same place. Like, we just sit here and twiddle our thumbs smiling and nodding at each other! ^^

Why do you have 5uffering that high up with the other 3 townreads at the top? And you gave everyone in your scumlean range a reason except Starcrossed, I know you've said a bit about them before but do you have anything else to add about them right now?

For 5uffering I liked the analysis in post 1065 and onwards. I did not take issue with the catchup they made before either. And then I liked their vote.

I don't have any other thoughts on Starcrossed right now. I'm noting 1981 which was just made. The way they are responding to me is weird... it's like I'm not really in this game

I don't think saying I've been mimicking is fair. I've agreed with things that have been said and also have my own opinions. I feel like most of my reads are my own right now.

I don't remember if I said this, but I liked the infograph from 5uffering's catch up but there's always the worry that people who have hindsight on previous content and how people reacted will know how to cater to the town reading it, you know? I didn't think it was especially towny, in all honesty, but I didn't think it was like... scummy either. Just didn't come to the same strong read.

Starcrossed is a sore spot for because, well, maybe I expect a lot from them but I've only gotten okay from them so far and it bothers me for what I think they should be doing, which is towning it up...

And no, I don't think inherently you're just taking reads, but it was a worry because I feel them being similar enough to mine, and I'm one of the players who is apparently like, townlocked/dominant, so it's like... are you sheeping? But I don't think that you are currently.

OK so both you and Pyro think the townread on 5uffering is too strong for what he's posted; I've noted this

And we agree that Starcrossed is weird

[Dunnstral]

Oh, so remember how Battle Mage was refusing to explain his read on War and Peace because of "reasons"? It's pretty obvious it's because he reads them as a mason due to Nancy's initial reluctance on the slot, but is for some reason just weirdly implying that without saying it outright.

Does that make W & P town if Bm flips scum?

[Dunnstral]

it wasn't so much as an in depth discussion rather than pooky saying you were a bit scummy. what's weird about that to you?

Just that you guys never talked about it

[Dunnstral]

Saudade is scum, but vig on me is the prob the correct play in a scum!BM scenario.

Vig on Saudade, W & P - FINAL

But want W & P and Gamma to claim.

Removing Clidd. Protectives on Bats, Fey, Pyro or Suffering.

We good with this guys?

On the vig shots, yes.

[Dunnstral]

Protectives are fine too

[Dunnstral]

okay I was about to straight up cut a bitch

??????

[Dunnstral]

OK so I was wrong about that.

I haven't really had time to reevaluate yet.

Are you guys still thinking War and Peace? Like, this doesn't change anything?

[Dunnstral]

pretty sure someone's role did that
if someone wants to claim having skipped the night they get a townpass from me.

I think they pocket this claim for later down the road.

[Dunnstral]

Well I would be going Dunnstral now because he's been sideline-y

This is untrue

[Dunnstral]

VOTE: War and Peace

[Dunnstral]

UNVOTE: War and Peace

Actually I want to take some time to think

[Dunnstral]

Don’t worry Noraa, it’s awkward but whatever, you did have a compelling case.

VOTE: Saudade

Can you explain your vote a little?

[Dunnstral]

There's 4 scum in this game and BM wasn't one of them

Can we go back and examine what happened?

I'm down to vote W & P today but still

[Dunnstral]

That ability being popped was not thought out at all. This is now extended D1.

Yeah.

[Dunnstral]

Take the time to reevaluate, Nora.

BM's flip doesn't make you anymore town. I'm just in no position to push you right now.

Wasn't your reasoning for Clidd being scum related to Bm being scum?

[Dunnstral]

I don’t know how night skip helps scum because nightkills are usually bad for town. Probably to annoy people - more likely.

Power roles sorting things out at night. Day 1 is when town has the least info

That's not to say I necessarily think it was a scum role that caused this

[Dunnstral]

Batsunami
Fey
Clidd
Morty and Rick
Red Eye Knights
Toogeloo
ItalianoVD
Saudade
Gamma Emerald
Starcrossed
SaraharaS
Dunnstral
Sherlock and Watson
5uffering
War and Peace

5uffering - My read on him depends a lot on his main which is a little frustrating
Starcrossed - Kanna is towny and Pooky is scummy
Dunnstral - Takes are fine, but the shift in tone is bothering me. I'm used to him being harsher as town

What shift in tone?

It's crazy that you have me this low

[Dunnstral]

I'm not a wet noodle this game so not sure what you mean

[Dunnstral]

Honestly if you're using meta you're better served looking for games where I was scum

Otherwise you have a very specific game in mind and I don't know who you are or what you're expecting from me

[Dunnstral]

Last night I was thinking about BM's death, and his wagon.

Here is everyone's response interpreted around the time of death.

Batsunami:

Was assured it was flipping scum based on

DK Tell

.

Pyro:

Ruminating on the effect of limning BM, while digging into his meta.

Fey:

Enthusiastically agreeing with the situation.

Sherlock:

Goading the situation further by pressuring others to lim the slot based on replacement

Italiano:

Showing up and hammering.

Clidd:

Loosely hinting how he felt about BM but letting the wagon go through anyways, actively passive.

Dunnstral:

Posted a readslist, which had Battle Mage at the very bottom. Recited L-3.

Starcrossed:

Had no reason to be on the wagon or be involved with BM's death.

Red Eye Knights:

Saw a shiny wagon and voted for it. Caught up in the moment.

Morty and Rick:

Happened to get involved by never changing his vote, says it wasn't his fault.

I'll color code it for you.

Do you remember 1091 where I talked about some of my reads? This was before Noraa started pushing.

[Dunnstral]

Starcrossed is my hard scumread, while S&W is just scummy. I'm a bit dejected by my scumhunting being construed as just IIoA or even not trying to solve.

2490 looks fine to me, I don't understand why everyone is jumping at you

[Dunnstral]

I'm fine with Clidd/Gamma/W+P as today's PoE. I went and looked at Ircher specifically to find a scumgame and I realized something.

He doesn't have any. He hasn't played scum in a full year. Rust develops harder on someones scumplay especially if they don't roll it for such a period of time. There was this moment from W+P that I really didn't like earlier. It was when BM and earlygame were happening. W+P got wagoned and Ircher's response to it all was to assume a more familiar form in the style of catch-up posts, and if I were angling I'd say that was a reaction to those votes. Like he dove right back into a familiar style because his new approach was giving him trouble.

I thought maybe I was thinking too hard about it though so I moved onto to my second option.

Eh I actually do think Gamma is starting to look weird, but I don't understand why Clidd is on the list

I'm not sure how hard they'd defend against the elim as town?

[Dunnstral]

because I need to defend gamma

???

[Dunnstral]

I think voting for italiano was nonsensical since italiano is clearly playing a lot different than he does as mafia, not just you but sherlock & watson + gamma should know that as well

but primarily I think your over the top abrasiveness is deliberate to make yourself seem too bold to be mafia

How does Italiano play as mafia?

[Dunnstral]

Morty, Sherlock, Fey and Pyro are a very strong set. I don't think they are all town.

Based on what?

[Dunnstral]

All of this is speculative and I can be wrong. I need to evaluate more things in private yet, otherwise I can be a distraction for town.

I'm interested.

I get the impression that this day phase is going to be a longer one

Is this just that you don't want to distract from the suadade wagon?

[Dunnstral]

Fey, how do you feel about War & Peace catchup?

[Dunnstral]

Also, frost is for sure not pyro?

[Dunnstral]

WAR FLASHBACKS

ircher.........

~mitsuha

Ircher do you post similar colored reads walls as town as well? And can you think of an example?

[Dunnstral]

Dunnstral (+35%) - He has had several good takes and has maintained an active thread presence. I'm actually a bit bothered by the thread presence; I don't recall him typically being this active.

I can be active when I want to be

[Dunnstral]

What was his alignment in that game?

Mafia

[Dunnstral]

WAR FLASHBACKS

ircher.........

~mitsuha

Ircher do you post similar colored reads walls as town as well? And can you think of an example?

Was he scum in that game? Well that definitely changes things.

Wait for his response

[Dunnstral]

WAR FLASHBACKS

ircher.........

~mitsuha

Ircher do you post similar colored reads walls as town as well? And can you think of an example?

Was he scum in that game? Well that definitely changes things.

Wait for his response

Ircher do you post similar colored reads walls as town as well? And can you think of an example?

lol what type of question is this Dunn

didn't you play in Pooky v FL where Ircher also did colored readslists?

I don't remember a colored list in that game

[Dunnstral]

Yeah I see that it happened. I looked back at my posting that game and there is a gap around the area he posted that; I probably didn't read it.

I think you are making a mountain out of a molehill here

[Dunnstral]

also his read on you this game is a lot flatter than his read on you that game.

His read on

everyone

is a lot flatter. Go after him, not me.

[Dunnstral]

WAR FLASHBACKS

ircher.........

~mitsuha

He was scum in this game though and was capable of posting quite a bit for everyone

[Dunnstral]

He is very different here than in Royalty.

This is the truth

[Dunnstral]

Is everybody going to replace out when getting voted?

[Dunnstral]

VOTE: War and Peace

[Dunnstral]

ircher

Spoiler:

you're doing amazing sweetie

So anyway, ever since my first game here I've had this idea that I've been too lazy to ever do. I realized though that this game is perfect for it, and it'll take a lot less work than normal. So I now present to you:

The Titus Heatmap

All Interactions:


Neutral Interactions:


Positive Interactions:


Negative Interactions:


Obviously not only are the positive/neutral/negatives subjective ('all' may be most useful), but how this should be interpreted in general is also subjective. I think Batsunami and Battle Mage being confirmed town are excellent anchors and reference points for everything else though. Titus may be really smart, but all humans give away more of their thoughts than they realize in even the smallest interactions (or lack thereof).

Ultimately this is just wifom.

It may be more useful to look at what players talk to Titus directly instead of the other way around. I know I make it a habit not to converse with the scum stump in these games; there's no reason to do so. Note that responding to something Titus said but directing it towards the rest of the playerlist is something different.

[Dunnstral]

^ Why so snappy?

[Dunnstral]

Is that like a reference or is there any inference you're drawing clidd?

What, you didn't look through the 8 games?

[Dunnstral]

Not really sure where I should be voting right now.

[Dunnstral]

Do you think Mafia are the ones calling the shots or are in the need to push someone right now? The day just got skipped and town is without NAR and a break to analyze things. This is not just at me, I mean in general. I would very much expect scum to just lay low and then hope town pushes a bad lead again.

I think, depending on Nancy's Mason choices, scum could very likely be steering a great deal of conversation. Influencing things they want us to see. If Nancy has aggressive Masons, then scum might be hiding a bit more, but if Nancy's Masonry is a little more..."meek" then it gives scum plenty of leash to work with and keep some conversation where they want it.

---

Side note: Because I keep paying close attention to Sherlock and Watson, mainly because I feel strangely bothered by how nice they are being to my slot, for some reason I have started looking at Morty (and Rick) as Moriarty.

/tangent

---

Side note 2: Batsu reminds me a bit of mastina from Pooky v Flava. Going ho on Day 1, causes BM to get poofed, and then goes into a more passive state. Thought it was an interesting parallel. Batsu is towny, as was mastina in that game, and I just think it was interesting.

/tangent

---

I feel like Nancy deserves all the thanks I can give her since I honestly don't have a clue how I am being townread without her help. Either that, or I am being buddied hardcore by some slots.

I still defer my vote to Nancy to use how she wants me to use it. However, I think I would place it on one of War and Peace, 5uffering, or Moriarty. Less inclined to push Gamma at the moment than I was earlier, I've actually liked some of their last few things. cliff seems like the current target, I wasn't even aware they were playing. I've just been glossing over a lot of the same names with inflated post counts.

That's about all I have after my quick skim from my last post.

So you don't really come to a conclusion as to what scum are doing

They can be steering conversation or hiding, but that doesn't really narrow it down

[Dunnstral]

Toogeloo, but if you aren't sure, Gamma.

As a third option, Morty.

I'm not sure on toogeloo

Gamma is being weird but he's also catching up so maybe that changes

I don't want to vote for Morty

[Dunnstral]

Stump.

Nancy

Myself.

5uffering

Confident reads.

Batsunami (Noraa + Morning Tweet)
olaf
Fey

Less confident, but not null.

Dunnstral [dropped a bit..]
Morty and Rick
Sherlock and Watson

Figure this out, please.

SaraharaS
Pink Ball
War and Peace
Red Eye Knights
Italiano

Why are they townread?

Toogeloo

You find scum here.

Clidd
Gamma
Starcrossed

Did you consider 2641?

[Dunnstral]

Dunn how have your reads changed over the past 100 pages?

I've become more unsure of you, mainly.

My townreads mostly stay the same, with the pool of players I'm unsure about... mostly still remaining unsure about (a good chunk of them are still 100 pages back anyway)

[Dunnstral]

I never flip scum this game. I don't make these type of posts as scum either, because what indicates my townplay is that I care more about the right decision being made.

It cannot be right if it's made on me.

That’s far from reassuring however. Why couldn’t scum!you also make this kind of post? However your slot may be resolvable due to claim. I don’t see scum keeping around town!you very long due to claim because I’m assuming that scumteam has at least one goon and they’re not going to let you live very long if you’re telling us the truth.

See @PB, that’s why the reward/risk of asking suspicious slots to claim is helpful.

However, you need to do a lot more explaining beyond this is my town meta here.

Why is a mafia goon afraid of a vanilla cop?

[Dunnstral]

I think you might be confusing it with neapolitan

[Dunnstral]

my thread presence would be so much higher if I was scum just FYI.

From experience, this isn't true. In fact, the opposite seems to be true.

[Dunnstral]

This is a verry confident Noraa and I don't think I've seen this type of posting from her before. It's very interesting.

Uh, Noraa has been this confident all of day 1 too. You're just now seeing this?

[Dunnstral]

Red Eye knights officially moved to scum pool btw. That post was horrible and lack of Akarin is weird. I've heard Akarin loves being town. With so much content, they should be here if town right?

Akarin could be busy.

[Dunnstral]

And you know what?

I'm hardclaiming as night stopper, so you can stop with this stupid paranoia and realize you're off course. My god.

Night stopper, not rolestopper?

why did you skip night 1?

She probably thought the town prs would be all over the place after BM flipped town.

The flip and night skip happened at the same time, I believe

So it was a decision made before knowing bm's alignment

[Dunnstral]

I think you might be confusing it with neapolitan

Wasn’t that Hectic’s role in Pooky v FL? Please explain it to me, thanks.

In Pooky vs FL I don't believe the vanilla cop was public knowledge pre-claim, it caught mafia in a lie

Here, the only way for vanilla cop to catch a mafia goon in a lie is if the mafia claim fake claims a power role, which is less likely to happen if the vanilla cop is town and the mafia goon claims after the vanilla cop

I don't really want to teach scum how to play but I think this is kind of common sense/titus would know this

Vanilla cop checks to see if they're vanilla or not; both mafia goon and vanilla town are vanilla

Neapolitan checks specifically for vanilla town

[Dunnstral]

I forgot the exact role but disloyal adds a lot to the role because it changes how it works, yes

[Dunnstral]

?????????????? What would make you think that?

Similar names and sarahara hadn't made any other posts

[Dunnstral]

So, 5uffering, Gamma and Italino is where I’m at. W & P could possibly prove themselves.

Gamma, Italiano, claim.

How about we do this. I’ll start up my own wagon, everyone can follow and then you can feel bad again when I flip green. I told you I’ve been trying to do my part, but whatever.

Compulsive Vanillaizer

VOTE: ItalianoVD

Why do we have such crazy roles in this setup?

This role is sort of interesting with the vanilla cop. Otherwise it seems to be strictly anti-town; you should leash it to another player who has already claimed vanilla (like clidd) or somebody you suspect (but you should probably get their claim first if doing that)

Or it can be a scum role. Really, this role should probably have been claimed at the start of the game if town

[Dunnstral]

Alright my nulls. These reads might bleed into each other and may be a bit less specific.

Dunnstral

Dunn dropped to null for me due to circumstance. I was townreading them by their early pursuits but recent input feels a bit too scatterbrained. I have seen him call out to me in regards to their own reads once or twice, but I ignored it because I didn't see the purpose for this. Early impression made me believe they were a type of player who wasn't necessarily the loudest person in the room but always still had something to say. He's not really saying much recently so I don't know what he's thinking anymore.

Conclusion: Unsure. Wasn't townie enough in recent memory to deserve a lean.

Null.

SaraharaS

Can't say I'm reading your content. I usually glance over catch-ups because they're mostly self-referential. I've flicked through your thoughts however and have noted them, now I just need to see where they lead you. Nothing in particular stood out to me. Right now, it seems to be on Italiano. Don't have a further comment about that but you were scumreading me as well but I simply ignored it.

Conclusion: Waiting to see more.

Null.

SaraharaS seems really towny to me from recent content.

Also it's wild that you ignore me but say I have nothing to say and keep moving me down your reads for some reason

[Dunnstral]

Italiano, who were you going to target with your ability if the night wasn't skipped?

[Dunnstral]

Without pointing fingers at anyone in particular, it feels really convenient that almost everyone who has been asked to claim is claiming a pr

[Dunnstral]

Nancy, if you don't have a better idea for Italiano's role, they can target Fey (who has already used their full role if I'm understanding things) to confirm their role

[Dunnstral]

Nancy, if you don't have a better idea for Italiano's role, they can target Fey (who has already used their full role if I'm understanding things) to confirm their role

But they’re my strongest tr in this game. Remember I KNOW things. The problem with Italiano’s role is that it it just removes PRs and with 5uffering’s role, he just gets additional vanilla claims. I feel the two are connected in some way.

@Gamma, keep personal stuff out of games. I thought you were scum trying to demoralize me.

I know.

But fey's role is already used, correct?

I meant we can confirm Italiano's role without removing a stronger role

Or it can be leashed to a vt

[Dunnstral]

Also it's wild that you ignore me but say I have nothing to say and keep moving me down your reads for some reason

I have a lot on my plate. What are you exactly waiting for? In general.

I'm not really waiting on anything, just responding to you saying you were ignoring me

I agree we should probably talk about something else. What do you think of Italiano after the claim? That's also @Nancy

[Dunnstral]

I read that like he gets something if he's hammers.

How? That's not what he claimed. Just the self voting stuff?

I get what Pooky was saying about not needing a perfect game. That isn't my mindset. I just want to lim scum despite the room for error. Do you think it's scummy?

What do you mean? I think it's fine to elim a player who has a good chance of flipping scum

[Dunnstral]

Dunn. I can't say I'm enthused by you pursuing Italiano as the best option here.

Well it's you, Italiano, or Gamma, right?

[Dunnstral]

As the 3 prominent options who the town stump is not considering outside of. I have some suspicions outside the group but this is what I'm working with right now.

[Dunnstral]

As the 3 prominent options who the town stump is not considering outside of. I have some suspicions outside the group but this is what I'm working with right now.

What other slots are you worried about?

Starcrossed, mainly

[Dunnstral]

Can I get everyone's opinion on Dunn? That conversation we had last night. It just didn't sit right with me. I started to parse how I felt about his slot since and what he's been doing.

You are not responding to me

If the pool is you, Italiano, Gamma, why is it weird for me to be looking at Italiano?
Because your own read is Gamma?

You should be glad I'm not looking at you because you are being super difficult to work with for no reason right now

[Dunnstral]

Can scum have a no protective role because I may or may not have reasons to think that isn’t the case here?

What does this mean?

Rolestopper is a protective role by the way

[Dunnstral]

but I’m kind’ve wondering about the vanilaizer and vanilla cop roles because neither of them strike me as particularly protown

Gunsmith gets a "gun" result on Vanilla Cop

[Dunnstral]

I think Shmlunnstral is cool and I enjoy playing with him

-Shmlorty

No. I meant his alignment. He just keeps dropping for me.

I'm trying to work with you and feel like you keep giving me the cold shoulder and moving me down your reads list

[Dunnstral]

I don't usually mind secret alts in games. But it's annoying when they are outted to certain players and meta is being used liberally to determine their alignments, and when there's multiple of them and multiple instances of that happening

The most annoying for me is 5uffering because it feels like people have information I don't have there and I'm being told 'trust me, they're scum by meta' - and even if that's not being said, that's the implication

But whatever. As I said, I don't really care about secret alts on their own

[Dunnstral]

5uffering I'm not quite sure whether you're antagonizing me on purpose or if you're confspiraling based on my responses based on some meta you have on me

It is annoying that I am trying to work with you because I liked your early posts but you keep ignoring me and sliding me down in your reads at a rapid pace

But whatever to that too. It's because you're tunneled on someone and I don't see things the same way, I'm assuming.

[Dunnstral]

I don't think Titus drafts Saudade here in any circumstance. (Which is convenient since it'd mean Pink Ball is town!)
I don't think Titus drafts Dunnstral as scum, or Gamma Emerald as scum.
I expect Titus to draft players that're good as both alignments overall, and all three above fail that test imo.

I don't think you give my scum game credit but I don't care to dispute it right now

[Dunnstral]

I can do better.

fuck yea
Papa Ball got this
Let's let him do some magic :3

PB, you, Sahara, Fey and to a lesser extent M & R and Ari have kept me from wanting to literally wanting to tear every single strand out from my fucking head.

For the record Nancy, there will be a point in this game where you'll have to determine who in this list is scum, because there's a big fat chance there's at least one. My money on Ari right now.
In other words: it's easy to have a deepwolf against you, and that's why that list of people you named probably has scum in it.

Well from that list: {Sarahara, Starcrossed, Red Eye Knights} would be the possible deepscum imo since PB is probtown and I think Fey is town as well and I am assuming M&R is us, so. :P

I think Sarahara looks pretty town.

[Dunnstral]

Is everybody going to replace out when getting voted?

[Dunnstral]

Townread/Townlean ~ Pyro, Olaf,

kinda thinking itali/olaf aren't s/s, just a pet theory I just came up with :P

Also "batsunami" is still on that reads list

[Dunnstral]

VOTE: ItalianoVD

Post the action pool again please

[Dunnstral]

What happened to Gamma in Boon uPick?

[Dunnstral]

I’m voting you because out of all the people in Nancy’s townbloc you are the least town to me.

"Least town" isn't a good reason at this point in the game and you're sorting in the wrong pool of players (you shouldn't be looking at nancy's townbloc right now)

Actually, it's not a reason at all. It's not even calling them scum.

I’d rather vote for scum

VOTE: SaraharaS

Why is she scum? Not seeing it?

Of course not, she’s in you blind spot.

And this jokey post feels like you're lolcatting now

[Dunnstral]

Sherlock and Watson has died. They were a

1-shot Dayvig

FUCKING TOLD YOUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU

I should have pushed this harder. Might be worth going back and seeing who defended them.

Or maybe not, what does their role mean here? Does scum defend this or let it get pushed or bus it?

[Dunnstral]

Krazy came to the thread to say he needed the day to end quickly 'cause he was losing motivation and yaddah yaddah, he left, and when I said I was going to make a scumcase on REK, they came back even stronger saying the day needed to end and we ended voting for the guy I was defending. You're giving me REK today

Weren’t W & P supposed to gunsmith them or no?

And it was again Krazy who requested that. Krazy doesn’t ask to have his buddy gun checked, does he?

Wait good point. Who were the other people in the gun check pool?

[Dunnstral]

ok Pink Ball's town

we're killing clidd

italiano on fey, gunsmith italiano, rolestop me, replacement vanilla cops mastina

lock it in and let's wrap this shit up

[Dunnstral]

I think nancy was the one who said gunsmith REK

[Dunnstral]

hey nancy dont be mad but i ignored ur message on replace in

Oh sorry, nm, I mixed you up with the rolestopper. It’s actually fine, we’re probably going to have a mass claim soon but M & R were supposed to be rolestopped. :(
We’ll at least they were a vt. I’ll miss you @Auro and Mastina. I’m sure whomever shot S & W were influenced by your sage words. You guys did not die in vain. :cry:

so gunsmith is utility to find the vig interesting

The scum vig?

But normal mafia have guns anyway

[Dunnstral]

Wait nancy, why are we mass claiming soon?

[Dunnstral]

who do you think killed the dayvig?

A town vig

[Dunnstral]

Morty and Rick has died. They were a

Vanilla Townie

Sherlock and Watson has died. They were a

1-shot Dayvig

@mod

Would a Dayvig shot end the day?

[Dunnstral]

VOTE COUNT 1 . Final

• Battle Mage
  --------- 9 ( Morty and Rick(62), Sherlock and Watson(98), Fey(77), Titus(74), Pyro(121), Dunnstral(84), Red Eye Knights(65), Starcrossed(41), ItalianoVD(22), Batsunami(451) )
  Flipping
  
  
  Saudade
  ------------- 3 ( War and Peace(16), clidd(31), Gamma Emerald(42), Nancy Drew 39(260) )
  F- 6
  
  
  War and Peace
  ------- 1 ( 5uffering(52) )
  F- 8
  
  
  Fey
  ----------------- 1 ( Saudade(85) )
  F- 8
  
  
  Sherlock and Watson
  - 1 ( Battle Mage(81) )
  F- 8
  
  
  Clidd
  --------------- 0 ( No One )
  F- 9
  
  
  Starcrossed
  --------- 0 ( No One )
  F- 9
  
  
  ItalianoVD
  ---------- 0 ( No One )
  F- 9
  
  
  Dunnstral
  ----------- 0 ( No One )
  F- 9
  
  
  5uffering
  ----------- 0 ( No One )
  F- 9
  
  
  Toogeloo
  ------------ 0 ( No One )
  F- 9
  
  
  Gamma Emerald
  ------- 0 ( No One )
  F- 9
  
  
  Red Eye Knights
  ----- 0 ( No One )
  F- 9
  
  
  Batsunami
  ----------- 0 ( No One )
  F- 9
  
  
  Morty and Rick
  ------ 0 ( No One )
  F- 9
  
  
  SaraharaS
  ----------- 0 ( No One )
  F- 9
  
  
  Pyro
  ---------------- 0 ( No One )
  F- 9
  
  
  
  
  Not Voting
  ---------- 2 ( SaraharaS(1), Toogeloo(27) )

With 17 alive, it takes 9 to Flip
Deadline is in (expired on 2021-02-25 20:01:00)

On wagon:

Flipped:

Morty and Rick
ItalianoVD

Sherlock and Watson
Titus

Towny:
Fey
Olaf (Pyro)
Morning Tweet (Batsunami)

Unsure:

Red Eye Knights
Starcrossed

My cursory analysis comes to the same conclusions as thread consensus right now

Sarahara and Toogeloo are both not voting at this point. Sarahara has 1 post and hasn't caught up yet, Toogeloo could very well be taking a back seat as scum. Not sure what to think of the Suadade wagon here, I'm pretty sure Nancy was leading it so that might skew things.

[Dunnstral]

Don't elim: Pink Ball, olaf, Dunnstral, Sarah, Morning Tweet...?
Do elim: Starcrossed, Clidd, W+P, REK?
Unsure: Toogeloo, KidAmn, Dkkoba

I think this is where I am at right now. I want to read the replacements to give me better insight than I had previously for those two slots.

Yeah I like this

[Dunnstral]

we skipped night 1

[Dunnstral]

we skipped n1 but we also caught up on kills by adding our own

yeah but there's only been 1 round of night actions

I don't see what mass claim gets us right now, it just outs masons. It seems we've got wagons to go through without claiming more roles

[Dunnstral]

VOTE: Toogeloo

I took a closer look here after the flip, it looks like he was soft claiming the flipped scum role in case he needed to use it later as a fake town claim:

Titus, if day ended right now, who you night killin'?

Morty and Rick has died. They were a

Vanilla Townie

Sherlock and Watson has died. They were a

1-shot Dayvig

@mod

Would a Dayvig shot end the day?

Sherlock and Watson's dayvig would have ended the day yes.

If we can't big a player, they probably should be the lynch option for the day as well. Day 1 may as well have been a DayVig on BM, and this is just an extension of Day 1.

I haven't really paid attention to War and Peace, but Ircher does seem oddly less active than I've seen in the past, and the fact that they forgot they were big targets seem weird. I got lost in the conversation a bit, but did they claim responsibility for lack of Night 1? I felt like that might be a rule Titus had personally since it seemed like an odd role to use on Night 1 for town, especially after only 2 days of game play and a mountainous amount of focus on one slot. Loss of night served no town benefit at the very least other than to cite my example above.

I also have a suspicion that DKKoba may have gotten a "not vanilla" result on them.

Further, their stance around Sherlock & Watson in the following posts looks partner-y:

Do you think Mafia are the ones calling the shots or are in the need to push someone right now? The day just got skipped and town is without NAR and a break to analyze things. This is not just at me, I mean in general. I would very much expect scum to just lay low and then hope town pushes a bad lead again.

I think, depending on Nancy's Mason choices, scum could very likely be steering a great deal of conversation. Influencing things they want us to see. If Nancy has aggressive Masons, then scum might be hiding a bit more, but if Nancy's Masonry is a little more..."meek" then it gives scum plenty of leash to work with and keep some conversation where they want it.

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Side note: Because I keep paying close attention to Sherlock and Watson, mainly because I feel strangely bothered by how nice they are being to my slot, for some reason I have started looking at Morty (and Rick) as Moriarty.

/tangent

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Side note 2: Batsu reminds me a bit of mastina from Pooky v Flava. Going ho on Day 1, causes BM to get poofed, and then goes into a more passive state. Thought it was an interesting parallel. Batsu is towny, as was mastina in that game, and I just think it was interesting.

/tangent

---

I feel like Nancy deserves all the thanks I can give her since I honestly don't have a clue how I am being townread without her help. Either that, or I am being buddied hardcore by some slots.

I still defer my vote to Nancy to use how she wants me to use it. However, I think I would place it on one of War and Peace, 5uffering, or Moriarty. Less inclined to push Gamma at the moment than I was earlier, I've actually liked some of their last few things. cliff seems like the current target, I wasn't even aware they were playing. I've just been glossing over a lot of the same names with inflated post counts.

That's about all I have after my quick skim from my last post.

This is my current, very basic, reads-list...

Town-leans

Sherlock and Watson
Batsunami
Olaf
Pink Ball

Untrusted/Leary

Gamma
Moriarty
Starcrossed
Italiano

Scum-leans

War and Peace
5uffering

Anyone not listed, I've not paid attention to, haven't ISO'd, or just don't have an opinion.

They first say they're keeping a 'close eye on them' though this isn't reflected anywhere else in their iso - indeed, they almost never talk about Sherlock & Watson. Then they jump straight to a town read right after saying that without much reason.

[Dunnstral]

i think its odd that scum didnt kill an investigative that could catch one of their own yknow.

You're saying W & P are vanilla?

[Dunnstral]

VOTE: Toogeloo

I took a closer look here after the flip, it looks like he was soft claiming the flipped scum role in case he needed to use it later as a fake town claim:

Titus, if day ended right now, who you night killin'?

Morty and Rick has died. They were a

Vanilla Townie

Sherlock and Watson has died. They were a

1-shot Dayvig

@mod

Would a Dayvig shot end the day?

Sherlock and Watson's dayvig would have ended the day yes.

If we can't big a player, they probably should be the lynch option for the day as well. Day 1 may as well have been a DayVig on BM, and this is just an extension of Day 1.

I haven't really paid attention to War and Peace, but Ircher does seem oddly less active than I've seen in the past, and the fact that they forgot they were big targets seem weird. I got lost in the conversation a bit, but did they claim responsibility for lack of Night 1? I felt like that might be a rule Titus had personally since it seemed like an odd role to use on Night 1 for town, especially after only 2 days of game play and a mountainous amount of focus on one slot. Loss of night served no town benefit at the very least other than to cite my example above.

I also have a suspicion that DKKoba may have gotten a "not vanilla" result on them.

Further, their stance around Sherlock & Watson in the following posts looks partner-y:

Do you think Mafia are the ones calling the shots or are in the need to push someone right now? The day just got skipped and town is without NAR and a break to analyze things. This is not just at me, I mean in general. I would very much expect scum to just lay low and then hope town pushes a bad lead again.

I think, depending on Nancy's Mason choices, scum could very likely be steering a great deal of conversation. Influencing things they want us to see. If Nancy has aggressive Masons, then scum might be hiding a bit more, but if Nancy's Masonry is a little more..."meek" then it gives scum plenty of leash to work with and keep some conversation where they want it.

---

Side note: Because I keep paying close attention to Sherlock and Watson, mainly because I feel strangely bothered by how nice they are being to my slot, for some reason I have started looking at Morty (and Rick) as Moriarty.

/tangent

---

Side note 2: Batsu reminds me a bit of mastina from Pooky v Flava. Going ho on Day 1, causes BM to get poofed, and then goes into a more passive state. Thought it was an interesting parallel. Batsu is towny, as was mastina in that game, and I just think it was interesting.

/tangent

---

I feel like Nancy deserves all the thanks I can give her since I honestly don't have a clue how I am being townread without her help. Either that, or I am being buddied hardcore by some slots.

I still defer my vote to Nancy to use how she wants me to use it. However, I think I would place it on one of War and Peace, 5uffering, or Moriarty. Less inclined to push Gamma at the moment than I was earlier, I've actually liked some of their last few things. cliff seems like the current target, I wasn't even aware they were playing. I've just been glossing over a lot of the same names with inflated post counts.

That's about all I have after my quick skim from my last post.

This is my current, very basic, reads-list...

Town-leans

Sherlock and Watson
Batsunami
Olaf
Pink Ball

Untrusted/Leary

Gamma
Moriarty
Starcrossed
Italiano

Scum-leans

War and Peace
5uffering

Anyone not listed, I've not paid attention to, haven't ISO'd, or just don't have an opinion.

They first say they're keeping a 'close eye on them' though this isn't reflected anywhere else in their iso - indeed, they almost never talk about Sherlock & Watson. Then they jump straight to a town read right after saying that without much reason.

I don't think people actually saw this

[Dunnstral]

i think its odd that scum didnt kill an investigative that could catch one of their own yknow.

You're saying W & P are vanilla?

hehehehe

Thinking back this doesn't make sense because they've already claimed and you're waiting for someone

So no, you're not saying that

But yeah, I agree.

[Dunnstral]

they claimed before my slot did.

I... don't think this is true

[Dunnstral]

I want the following slots to claim

Clidd, Gamma, Suffering. Go.

Vanilla Cop. Weaker utility and meh role in general..

hi good morning, jeez I didn't even get to read the thread yet and y'all are at our throats

we're a gunsmith

I had a burst of inspiration when I was laying in bed and I'm gonna go do that now

[Dunnstral]

VOTE: WnP anyways a follow the cop dynamic shouldnt exist here since a rolestopper is essentially a doc and the gunsmith finds innos

They had a day vig

[Dunnstral]

This is my current, very basic, reads-list...

Town-leans

Sherlock and Watson
Batsunami
Olaf
Pink Ball

Untrusted/Leary

Gamma
Moriarty
Starcrossed
Italiano

Scum-leans

War and Peace
5uffering

Anyone not listed, I've not paid attention to, haven't ISO'd, or just don't have an opinion.

Would Toog and Krazy both have each other as #1 tr if buddies?

Look at 3301

There is no progression for toog

[Dunnstral]

i was really hoping to get a vanilla check on them so we could be 1v1ing here but we have only 2 scum left and taking them out the scum pool based on their claim is bad when they are scummy

It's a 17 person game, very likely 4 scum, so 3 left.

[Dunnstral]

There are 4 scum and 13 town

Also this for both the 2 scum left and the 3rd party thing

[Dunnstral]

who is RS, the Gamma slot?

[Dunnstral]

I suspect scum need to start shading me as a mislim for their wincon.

I'm the only one talking about you today, you can come out and say it.

[Dunnstral]

Toogeloo what do you make of Dunny thinking you were crumbing dayvig?

Thought it was a bit of a stretch tbqh. I think Dunn was quick to assume I was talking about them also when I said scum needed to start shading me when War and Peace was shading me only a few posts above my observation.

They are 2 weeks in the past

[Dunnstral]

Also why/how did your read on Sherlock change from looking at them closely because they're too nice to you to top townread

[Dunnstral]

By the way, It's just me or Toog looks like he's trying to suggest a fictional conspiracy that doesn't seem to be coming from a town mentality?

I'm seeing it

5059 he says scum are heavily influencing nancy - I'm pretty sure nancy had just come up with that on her own and I don't see people "influencing" her on it

5054 is so vague that it's probably true but it doesn't point to himself

4960 as I mentioned came right when I started pushing him and he never defended himself with something like 'of course I didn't soft' which is a really weird reaction imo, he just sort of brushed it off and appealed to nancy and doesn't care what I think

5094 is super vague but is shading her townreads without giving a name or any reads of his own

5095 seems unrealistic, I don't believe that he doesn't know who claimed gunsmith