Mini Normal 2199: Baseball (Over)

[mozamis]

catching up.

[mozamis]

Random vote while I catch up:
VOTE: zulfy

[mozamis]

elsa's posting freely and with confidence, early town read.

[mozamis]

Provisional reads. I like to do p.o.e, i find it's often easier to work out who is town than scum, early on at least.
Town: Moz
Elsa
Flow trap
Norwegian boy
Dkoba

So scum in the rest.
I'll keep my vote on Zulfy for now, see how he responds to the pressure.
But let's remain vigilant to the very likely fact that scum haven't posted/have barely posted yet.

[mozamis]

To remind myself of the names, scum in:
Esoter
Arte
Kittytacky
Rathe
UNowen
Zulfy
JImhawkins
Yyota

[mozamis]

"this is sus" and "this leans town" are both basically tonal reads at their core
please for the love of god don't make 15 pages out of this

Looks town to me "please for the love of god" isn't exactly buddying, he doesnt look worried about annoying people.
Eso in town block.

[mozamis]

Most of the posts look town to me.

[mozamis]

It's a vote. It still counts. That's the purpose of RVS. See how he reacts.

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And note, he DID react lol. An OMGUS vote. I have no idea if that's town or scum though.

[mozamis]

@ Rathe- why?

[mozamis]

Since gut/experience is telling me scum is most likely in the lurkers/semi lurkers, scum team is probably in:
Rathe, Unowen,Jimhawkins, Yyota.
Seems harsh to hunt yyota withut him posting. So we would be wise to focus on those three. And since there is a mini wagon on UNowen, choo choo!

VOTE: UNowen

[mozamis]

It's all overview stuff and hence REALLY PROVISIONAL. But Day 1 all those people being "chatty" on page 1 etc just seem really town to me.
Someone like Elsa for example - she MIGHT be really good scum. But she's active, posting freely, appears to be scum hunting, relaxed etc
If she's scum, well, we'll get her later on. But day one i prefer to focus on the obvious. And the obvious reason for all those people bantering is that they are town and having noting to hide.

[mozamis]

Or, to put it the other way round, it doesn't seem to make much sense to vote for Elsa/Flow etc this early. If they are really good scum, then I'm inclined to give them the benefit of the doubt Day 1.
Assuming three scum a good average is one good scum, one average and one poor. And the latter two often lurk.
So that's my reasoning. If you look at my other games, it's how I normally reason, and I get pretty good results.
Sometimes I am wildly wrong and look like a complete arse though

[mozamis]

Out of interest, I've been away for 3 years, why is called E-1 not L-1 now?
And welcome Not Mafia, your name seems familiar so I think we played together many moons ago, or maybe you were a mod. Anyway, welcome!

[mozamis]

I wondered if it was due to the political climate etc etc
'nuff said, lets chug on

[mozamis]

Yes anything

Which King of England was married to Eleanor of Aquitaine?

Henry 2

[mozamis]

did they get divorced? i know it was a shambles of a marriage lol see The Lion In Winter think she was married to the french king as well lol

[mozamis]

gun to head, i'd say she married french king (loius?philip they were all called that...) then he died and she remarried, spawning Richard, Geoffrey ad JOhn. Maybe henry younger as well who died young?

[mozamis]

this is why i get mislynched lol to shut me up

[mozamis]

why don't we get some more votes on UNowen?
I refuse to be lured to his desert island

[mozamis]

why don't we get some more votes on UNowen?
I refuse to be lured to his desert island

Invitations to obscure islands should always be accepted, nothing bad can come from them.

OK, I'm in!

[mozamis]

me too honest

[mozamis]

Think talk of PL NOTMafia is premature. He just seems to be having a lugh. If we are desperatee at the end of the day and he hasnt dine much, I guess we could. But it's too early.

[mozamis]

*having a laugh

[mozamis]

who's scum, NM?

[mozamis]

Me, Myself and I

If your scum good luck to you, you obviously play how you want. But if your town it would be good if you could, you know, help town. If nothing else the more "towny" the town makes P.O.E much easier.

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*you're

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I am banged to rights guv'nor

[mozamis]

Happy with my vote, haven't seen anything that towny from Owen.

[mozamis]

If Artemiana is scum that doesn't necessarily mean Elsa is scum. Artemiana could be defending Elsa to implicate her as scum, thus killing both.

However I feel that's a bad play due to an 1:1 trade (if that) being good for town.

Although I think it's unlikely Scum would ever do this, kinda get towny vibes from this post, feels like original thinking/scum hunting.

[mozamis]

Unowen,Rathe,Jim, Notmafia should still be our scum pool.

[mozamis]

Playing the percentages. Highly likely there is scum in those four.

[mozamis]

No, much less likely to be ANY scum in Elsa, You,Norwegian, Dkk. They all seem likely town. The other four don't.

[mozamis]

That's the pregame maths though, right? (maths was never my strong suit).
Now we have some info, which makes me think it's likely that Elsa and co are town, and likely that Unowen and co are scum.
Put a number on it if you like, but that doesn't matter that much. All we need is a best guess at this stage.

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So you think Norwegian is scum?
What about UNowen?

[mozamis]

Ok, the UNowen wagon is going nowehre, I can get behind this.

VOTE: JIM HAWKINS

The idea of PL'ing NM is also growing on me. No doubt he is pure comedy gold and all that, but...he's not helping much.

[mozamis]

What do you think of the backtrack of ice queen/goddess scum team?

ice queen=elsa? Who is Goddess?

[mozamis]

Bonus being a Goddess, nice result

[mozamis]

Calm yourselves, Moz has returned
Catching up.

[mozamis]

Wanted something slower-paced.

well, you've come to the right place lol I have been in a queue for 2 games for 2 weeks now lol

Let's get some pressure on Jim! Don't feel like he is scum hunting much, get more town vibes from Arte.

[mozamis]

tbf the way kitty used chainsawing in the argument they had sounds like they just ripped the definition off the wiki

yes, i agree, and nothing wrong with that. We were all new once, and terms like "chainsaw defence" are probably used more by new players. I would say Kitty is new. Doesn't mean she's town though.

[mozamis]

ok, not much has happened. Good to seem more from JIm, although it's mostly about stuff with Arte from previous game, so wouldn't call it that helpful.
Get some more votes on him!
I'd rather Kitty than Arte if it came to that. Tho' Kitty is new, she does seem a bit defensive. Arte seems to be scum hunting more.

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If we could get Eso, Kitty, Elsa, Arte and Flow on to Jim...ok, that would be an auto Elimination, which might be hasty. But we need at least 3 more on Jim to get a good counter wagon going to me.
At the moment the other alternative is Elsa (3 votes) which seems a bit ridiculous.

[mozamis]

Either way, I think it's time to get a counter wagon going to me, so maybe we can force scums hand/get some info.
Feel the game is stalling atm.

[mozamis]

Anyone voting for Elsa,DDk, Flow or Norwegian should re-read the first 3 pages, and unvote them.
It's so conversational and free flowing.
They should be in our townbloc Day 1, voting them seems a waste of time.

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So jim, Eso, Kitty should move their votes.
In fairness, no one is voting for DDk, Flow or Norwegian, but yeah the Elsa wagon needs to disband.

[mozamis]

I don't necessarily THINK you will, I just think you SHOULD. I want to get a counter wagon to me going, so need votes on Jim. Or someone else who isnt Moz, Elsa, Flow, Norwegian, DDK.

[mozamis]

@ Eso, sorry I just looked at last V/C where you were voting Elsa.

[mozamis]

After the V/C I feel we need to get something going. Look at the wagons and see if we can get some people to move their votes around. At the moment (I think) there is decent wagon on me and lots of small wagons on others. Better to try and coalesce the other small wagons.
Or better still, disband the whole wagon on me and lynch someone scummy like Jim!

[mozamis]

@ Rathe: No. You RVS'd Zulfy. Then voted me. The said you also think Norwegian is scum. No ther candidates from you.
So who are your top three scum picks?

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*no other

[mozamis]

Another vote on Jim might get him to post.

[mozamis]

I mean, my scum read on him at the moment is mainly based on him lurking, but I don't really want to lynch a guy who has made ten posts.

[mozamis]

@ Jim could you talk about your Elsa scum read? She is probbably my strogest town read so you get my confusion.

and welcome Anya!

[mozamis]

That's a nice name. I trust her already.

Exactly, game solved!

[mozamis]

crikey Elsa is a he, this pronoun thing is a nightmare! If I get them wrong, I mean no offence, some names/avatars lend themselves instinctively to certain pronouns.
Crumbs.

[mozamis]

Elsa, you're not really living up to your first post

I still want Moz to do real-time things

What do you mean? I am one of the most active players in the game. You got any questions, fire away!
I still think our foucus should be on Jim or Unowen.
Unowen criticism of Kitty for saying Kitty was gonna put up a reads list seems dodgy, what on earth is wrong with saying you are going to put up a reads list? Could be scumOwen trying to think of something to say/fake read.
Also happy with lynching Jim still, he consistently posts vague "It's hard to give reads" posts. He should be able to give reads by now.

[mozamis]

Scum pool is Ginger Handbag, Watershit Down, Smellsa Gay, Cyclist, Pieces of Cringe and Apaulineeg.

Could you not insult rabbits please? Also, please translate.

[mozamis]

Please translate those names in your scum pool, I don't know who you are talking about.

[mozamis]

I'm down for PL'ing NotMafia. Guys just a troll, obviously no interest in playing the game.

[mozamis]

Anya's entrance looks townie, unless she's confident scum. Can't see myself voting for her today.

[mozamis]

like fr i think moz is most likely scum here and if im wrong i can always readjust and figure it out regardless or i just get n1d and i can blame town for the loss anywyas and if im right i also do the same thing

I've tried to be patient with the wagon on me, but it's latea t night and I cannot se in what world you can possibly NotMaifa is more use to the town than me. He may not be scum, but he is clearly has no intention of helping town to win.
I on the other hand, have been one of the most pro active players here.
Get your vote somewhere useful, like Jim, UNowen or Notmafia. Odds of being scum in one of those 3 very likely.
Worse case we get rid of NoBrania who is waste of space.

[mozamis]

*you can possibly see that NotMafia is more...

[mozamis]

I think it would be good to policy lynch MotMafia. Teach him a lesson about playing the game properly. You know, helping town, not making nasty posts etc
Sounds like you guys have been too lenient to trolls while I have been away.

[mozamis]

@ DLKK please put together a coherent case on me, or back off.

[mozamis]

Rathe - Absolutely null. It's like texting with a person who only responds, "k"

Rathe-Jim scum team? Classic scum distancing.
Really hapy with lynching JIm, Rathe or Unowen still.
Maybe NOtMaf if we run out of ideas, but that is mainly policy/Antipathy on my part.

[mozamis]

That post from Jim p775 is so vague. Good example of scum struggling to come up with any real reads, because they know the truth. So they resort to ambiguities.
Lets get this Jim elimination going.

[mozamis]

What have I said that’s nasty?

I wasn't keen on your Watership Down post, i love rabbits! But never mind, you probably were only joking and i can be oversensitive, so lets move on.
You down with lynching Jim, Not Mafia?

[mozamis]

lol love the way Jim suddelnly appears with a vote after I call him ut for being vague.

[mozamis]

*call him out

[mozamis]

catching up

[mozamis]

im high as shit rn and i cant rly describe it its like i see the avatars in front of be at the ends of 2 cords and tehres like really nice ribbon also at the end of the cord and yeah it looks pretty cool im kinda vibing lol

REACH FOR THE LAZERS!

[mozamis]

I don't like how people are calling for Jimbo and no one has really explained what he did that comes from a scum mindset

He is very vague.

[mozamis]

I still dont anyone scummier than Jim, Rathe, Owen.
Def not Norweg or Eso.

[mozamis]

@ whoevr asked me abotu Unowen - he also seems very vague and unconvincing, stuff about Kitty beng new or not seems a bit fluffy

[mozamis]

I'm not voting for Eso, Norwgian, Flo.
Prob not Anya.
Prefer Jim, Unowen Rather.

[mozamis]

Norwegian wagon seems nonsense.
Jim wagon seems best.

[mozamis]

Maybe I might be confbiasing at this point. But none of Unowen's posts look strong to me.

[mozamis]

i have a hot take from recent events.

also i have high as fuck last night idk even what i said i just remember a strange vision about this game

i enjoyed your high as fck post lol

[mozamis]

no theres a very real possibility im just seeing shit where there isnt anything

you been smoking with Dkk lol

[mozamis]

She COULD be playig that free wheeling "too dumb to be scum" style - I remember MUlch playing like ther once, ad he poulled it off - bbut in general not may scum post as freely as Anya is.
Anya town for Day 1 for me.

[mozamis]

lol typing but you get the gist

[mozamis]

lol sorry
i just meant you are likely town, scum ted not to throw out as manyy votes/reads etc

[mozamis]

I don't feel we are progressing much.
Happy to end the day soon wth a Jim lynch. Guy consistently vague as fck.

[mozamis]

the important thing is we get to forty pages, that'll show 'em!

[mozamis]

i have no hope in myself to find anything more than one scum per game

that's the spirit!

[mozamis]

Well NotMaf isn't awake otherwise he'd have quick hammered already. Plus we only got 1 day left. I'll hammer Jim in an hour or so unless someone has objections by that time.

Feel free, confident we have hit scum

[mozamis]

@ Elsa-Vote Jim.
Don't let people (scum?) dereail this wagon.
Anya is town.
People should ISO Anya, then Jim - she is clearly more town than Jim. She posts more freely, gives out reads, votes a lot, gets the game moving. Jim does none of those things.

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@Norwegian or you stop pissing about and have the guts to vote jim

[mozamis]

*could stop...
so I only managed ONE post without a typo lol

[mozamis]

There is a time limit. We one day, which in the worLd of MafiaScum, where people aren't always very active, isn't very long.
No elimination is obv. disater for town.
Bottom line: Jim is best candidate we have. Exterminate, exterminate, EXTERMINATE!

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Why?

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@ Eso love it!

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I guess fair enough. As long the town members that haven't voted JIm, stay active and are at least WILLING to hammer, I'm happy.
My concern is to not let scum fudge, obfuscate and delay so we end up rushing thorugh a miselimin, or even a NoE.

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The fair enough was @Flow

[mozamis]

so we need one more vote to hammer?

[mozamis]

VOTE: Jim Hawkins

finally, he does something!
well played, sir

[mozamis]

NM went for the head!

[mozamis]

Wait, did I just get E'd? Oh well. I really was town, btw.

Shit. Sorry, man.
Give more definite reads next time!

[mozamis]

Didn't find Arte's "hammer" that convincing. I have done that as scum. You say "oh, I didnt even look at the v/c, I was sick of waiting...because I'm so town" etc etc

if jim town, Arte,Rathe, Owen scum team?

[mozamis]

scum mad discussion didn't get to end lol

mason pt is popping. scum are FUCKED

maybe time to put down the spliff lol

[mozamis]

If Jim is town we are all culpable, none more so than me, I saw him as the best chance of flipping scum Day 1. I still say he could have given out more reads/been more forthright.
Can just be a playstyle thing, maybe it was not his fault.
But the counter wagons - me, Anya and Norwegian werent very appealing. Be amazed if Anya flips scum. Norwegian i guess maybe.
Arten Rathe, Owen i would look at tomorrow.
DKK, ANya and Eso are still strongest town.
Elsa slipping into nullish territory with every "sorry, i can only make a quick post" post....

[mozamis]

*waves at mod*

[mozamis]

i don't think brass is coming back he isn't returning my calls

=any woman i have ever met

[mozamis]

forgot, flow is still in my town bloc
P:edit lol no YOUR mum

[mozamis]

Dear scum, feel free to NK NM

[mozamis]

If Jim flips scum, I am down for PElim NM tomorrow. Not having a go at him, but how the hell are we going to ever deteermine his alignment?
If Jim is town it's tricky becuase we cant risk another miselim?
Any thoughts?

[mozamis]

lol cool next!

[mozamis]

Town
Flow
Zoomer
Dkk
Elsa
Norwegian

Kitty or Not Mafia

Rathe scum
Owen scum

[mozamis]

VOTE: UNOWEN

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for the record, we should have pl NM. now we have no way of knowing nm alignment and its day2.
my fault as much as evryone else, but in every game i am in with nm, nm has to go day 1.
sorry nm but you are bad for town.

[mozamis]

Owen so far doesn't seem to have an agenda

owen hasnt had an agenda all game. hence scum. could they blend anymore lol

[mozamis]

@: MOD AND EVERYONE

: is it ALWAYS ok to use "they" as a pronoun? I have been getting into trouble for using wrong pronouns, but surely "THEY" is always ok? Otherwise you have to keep using people's names which doesn't scan very well.

[mozamis]

It's past midnight here, will post more tomorrow.

please do, haven't heard much from you all game.

[mozamis]

Guess there might be one more outside this IG. But I sus Elsa, Norwe, Moz currently. It's past midnight here, will post more tomorrow.

Why the Moz/Norwegian suspicion?

and why don't you ever give any reads?
I ask people to look at the beginning of Today. Pretty sure everone else has given out some sort of opinion.
Owen has not.
Owen is scum.
It really is that simple today.

[mozamis]

Wasting a lim on N_M is anti-town since we have bigger fish to fry right now. You seem to be so eager to do it when there are scummier people being voted. Kinda sus NGL.

NO, you read my post wrong. WE SHOULD HAVE elim NM, past tense.
That was my WHOLE point. It is too late now, town are lumbered with NM for the rest of the game.
What are your reads Kitty?

Rathe looks less scummy today.
BUt Owen is scum.
Scum for me still in Owen, Rathe, Kitty, NM.

[mozamis]

Shit, forgot Anya. She is neutral to me.

gotta say, that looks town. Scum are normally much more careful abou their posts.
scum owen,rathe, NM?

[mozamis]

lol i forgot anya as well.
town.

[mozamis]

Paranoid Moz is worried that both Kitty and me forgot anya, since that is what scum want.
But anya looked town ealier on, so...not a lynch for today anyway. Might be a paranoid LYLO candidate.

[mozamis]

So you think town Anya plays like this?

"gotta say, that looks town" was me talking about Kitty.

Anya I still think is town.
I am a bit wishy washy on NM - you'll note he is always last on my scum list - because he is so difficult to read. Hence why should have policy elim. Day 1.
I would still rather get rid of Owen and Rathe before NM tho.

[mozamis]

Going through Arte's ISO, and it doesn't look good for Kitty or Norwegian. She also thought NM was town. Baring in mind 1)Arte was town 2)Arte is an alt and she is an exoerienced player, she may know NM meta, that mankes NM more towny for me.
So I guess in order of preference for me, todays elim. should be:
Owen, Rathe, Kitty, Norwegian, NM.
Evryone else is off the table.

[mozamis]

There's a very clear logic to it

I don't want this around in LYLYO, and there is a decent chance that NM is scum team with Owen and Rathe. Yeah, I'm more sure of the other two, but NM is just hurting town.
VOTE: NOTMAFIA

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VOTE: Owen

actually

ok I didnt see this
VOTE: Unowen

[mozamis]

If we cant get the Owen wagon going, happy to go back to NM.

[mozamis]

@ Flow yeah just seen that.
VOTE: NOT MAFIA

@NM, it's not hate, it's pragmatism. You have zero interest in helping town win this game. And your gimmick of hammering at L-1 "for a laugh" is totally unacceptable, and really conducive to scum blending in.
You're partly alive because people want to be fair and not Policy Elim you, which is great and all. But it also kinda gives you immunity for your scum game.
P.O.E in this game strongly suggests you are scum anyway.

[mozamis]

why has Kitty claimed?

[mozamis]

why DIDN'T norwee kill me?

prob cos they aren't scum.

[mozamis]

Couldn't get myself motivated for Mafia yesterday.
Catching up now.

[mozamis]

I really, REALLY don't see how Owen is scum here. Not only based on tone but his posts always have a pretty decent amount of helpful content.

Owen alway seems really wishy washy, not many reads.

[mozamis]

It’s always good to have an narrator, but it’s also an way for scum to blend in so i remain sceptical.

Exactly, Owen seems super blendy to me.

[mozamis]

ok let me try a differnt option that should be clear: VOTE: Elsa

I dont uderstand this. Elsa has been a strong town read for me all game. What is the case on Elsa? They seem to have clear reads, and seem to be pushing the game along.

[mozamis]

Anya who was scum on jim wagon?

quite likely not many, scum often like to avoid getting the blood on their hands...Altho Owen was on it?

[mozamis]

I meant like a paragraph ._.

sorry dont do those if i don’t have to

"If it's hard, then it's not worth doing" (Homer Simpson)

[mozamis]

Not much changing for me. Elsa,Flow, DKK, Eso very town.
I still like Kitty's "shit, forgot anya", real town tell.
I could lynch anyone outside of those, but we should still focus on Owen, Rathe, NM. Anya and Norwegian seem unlikely but possible I guess.

[mozamis]

I was thinking that too, but lycheeing someone only for that feels... bleh

Not really, P.O.E is a good tool. You could wait for ever for a "scumtell".

[mozamis]

Also, I encourage we go for someone besides Owen today. Call it a hunch.

So this is what kicked off the claiming and set up spec?
I read on, agog!

[mozamis]

ANd does it mean my reads are, once again, COMPLETE ARSE?

[mozamis]

Anyways suspicion is circling me, time to claim as this is just a repeat of Newbie 2055 otherwise.

I am a Town 2-Shot Roleblocker. I did not block anyone last night as I wanted to save shots. I crumbed it here:

Was anyone even voting for you at this point? There wasn't much of a wagon on you at any rate, you really didn't need to claim here. If you are town this is a massive distraction and puts a target on your back

[mozamis]

Last finished game I played I worded a post poorly and people hanged me. This happened again.

Doc on me I guess as I'm the only claimed PR.

I totally believe Kitty's claim. Didn't need to do it AT ALL , but without getting into the WIFOM of it, I can't see scum being this paranoid and drawing attention to themselves in such a massive way.

[mozamis]

he vote to put Jim at E-1 was INTENTIONAL.

what is the town motivation there

It seemed fine to me, we were all getting angsty for a lynch, Jim seemed scummy. Hammer seemed fine to me.

[mozamis]

*Elsa's hammer.

[mozamis]

I'm not softing anything so shut up

I think DKK was talking to Elsa?
I'm assuming Elsa got an innocent result on Owen.

[mozamis]

VOTE: Elsa Jay

Bizzare vote, why?

[mozamis]

I'm getting an uneasy feeling about DK

They are playing a really awesome game if they are scum!
But Dkk is SO stream-of-consciousness, so transparent, so emotional, I just can't see it.

[mozamis]

Don't really wanna full full claim. My role is better if you don't know what it specifically is. It just isn't VT and I trust Owen now.

I completely trust this claim. Scum more likely just to say "Cop" or "doc" whatever. This is very nuanced for scum, it's a bit vague and private.

So Owen obv into town pile.
Town:Moz, Elsa, Kitty, Owen, Flow, DKK, Anya.
Scum: Eso (weird Elsa vote?), Norwegian, Not mafia , Rathe.

Scum team is in those last four?

[mozamis]

Not at all keen on Eso's vote on Elsa, really got a wagon going on someone who has softed a town PR. With NM lurking in the wings, this was a shit vote.

[mozamis]

if elsa flips town solve is

flow/norwee/anya/moz

It cant be flow or me

[mozamis]

Why did I get more votes after basically claiming already? Towns are weird.

it's really bad play from town

[mozamis]

Bleh. You seem to have guessed anyway it's apart of the Tracker family. It's not tracker tho. Motion Detector.

well done town, 2 PR's outed!
On plus side, Kitty, Elsa Owen seem very likely town, so I like our chances of scum in Eso, Norwegain, Rathe,NM.

[mozamis]

literally no action happened to or by Owen.

I don't understand this. Only one scum performs the kill, Owen may not have done anything? We now know Owen didnt perform the scum kill, but it doesn't clear them as scum?
Clearing them via set up spec is just...spec?
Still you and Kitty are still town at least.

[mozamis]

sooooo i'm a complex motion detector

is it weird for town to have 2 of these?

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAGH

[mozamis]

yeah but i forgot i had any role

i only remembered halfway into this day when i rechecked my role

blame me joining too many games at once

fck it, this sounds town, thought anya town anyway. Could be 2 similar roles to fck with town's heads.

[mozamis]

i dont like when there r claims cuz i dont believe anyone

This sounds like healthy town scepticism?
Eso, Norwegian, NM?

[mozamis]

oh and my action fails if i ever target a vanilla player

don't ask me why

definite town. why go into this detail - when no one has asked you to -as scum? Anya basically conf town.

[mozamis]

I wanted to be vague again flow. But yeah what's the Opposite of Complex? Simple!

... It's the Simple modifier. I fail on complex roles

But couldnt Owen be Mafia Goon who did nothing? One other Mafia goon does kill, one mafia tracker or whatever (complex).
I guess what you are saying is that you think 2 Mafia Goons and one Mafia PR is unfair with town having four(?) PR's?

[mozamis]

Since you are so very likely town, I'll trust you for now abotu Owen, you seem confident.

[mozamis]

that was @elsa

[mozamis]

fail on people with Complex roles. Basically all the PRs. I still get Goons and VTs.

So couldn't Owen be Mafia PR? Or Owen is goon who didnt move/do the nk last night?

[mozamis]

i cant explain y i don’t think ur claim is town i just dont

this looks really town to me.
Its very open.Wrong, open.

So it must be Eso, Norwegian, NM?

[mozamis]

Not at all keen on Eso's vote on Elsa, really got a wagon going on someone who has softed a town PR. With NM lurking in the wings, this was a shit vote.

VOTE: mozamis

so whydid you vote Elsa?
And why the sudden vote on me?

Fully caught up.
Moz town.
DKK town.
Anya, Kitty, Elsas claims all seem really town.
Flow has always been town.
Owen still not one hundred per cent convinced, but go with Elsa for now.
Rathe seems genuinely paranoid.
Scum has to be in Norwegain, NM and Eso.
Since Anya has already started a wagon on Norwegian, lets do that.

[mozamis]

VOTE: NORWEGIAN

[mozamis]

Catchups that take multiple posts does seem sketchy but I've met people who do it all the time. Like Almost50 does that.

I pretty much only post in multiple posts.
See this game for example.
And all my other games.
Apart from the early games whn I still knew/bothered to quote/copy/paste 'n' shit for big wall posts.
Joking aside, I've always preferred shorter, multiple posts. I think they are better for clarity.

[mozamis]

after reading the last pages i wouldnt be surprised if both anya and elsa r town

I though that was pretty clear from their claims.
I just cant see the scum motivation for claiming so early -very little pressure on either of them. Why invent so complicated lies when they - if they were scum - were doing ok drifting under the radar? Seems very unlikely.
Likewise Kity.
So Kitty, ELsa and ANya should be pretty much locktown for Today.

[mozamis]

We still got more time. 6 days. So no rush I guess.

I do want both Norway and Moz to make their statement posts tho. Wanna see if they go after each other or just actually give their own reads.

You criticised my style for posting seperate posts, but did you atually READ any of them? I put a lot of effort into them, and P.O.E'd the game down for us.
I'll save you the time since people obviously can't be bothered.
All the claims are VERY likely town. There's so little scum motivation for any of them.
Flow has been my strongest town read all game.
Owen I am not sure about but you seem convinced he cant be scum so I am sheeping you.
So Moz, Flow, Kitty, ELsa, Anya town.

DKK town for reasons I mentioned above. Very free flowing playstyle, changing their votes around a lot, much more likely to be town than scum.
Rathe has upped their game and seems confused town to me, is giving ouit a lot more opinions.
So town: Moz, Flow, Elsa, kitty, Anya, Owen, Dkk, Rathe
Scum: Norwegian Eso, NM.

I thought I'd made that pretty clear in those last catch up posts but whatever.
I think the case on me mainly rests on me being the ringleader for Jim's mislynch Day One. Fair enough. I was underwhelmed by his contributions, he never looked town.
I may be wrong about the scum team. But Eso vote on ELsa and then Moz were both terrible, came from nowhere, no justifications at all.
To be clear: We mustn't lynch Moz, Flow, Anya, ELsa or Kitty today.

I'm sorry if my tone is perhaps a touch abrasive. But I spent ages doing those catch up posts, which then were mostly ignored or seen as "yeah Moz...yeah maybe scum" lol
Whatever. As long as we dont lynch in my "locktownpool", we should be ok.

[mozamis]

And I haven't caught up properly, but I'd bet a fair amount on both Eso and Norwegian doing lots of set up spec but no real reads?
Scum love talking about claims and set up spec.
Real info ww/out analysis stuff.

[mozamis]

Although they are probably both scum, my scumdar is pinging harder for Eso. Awful votes on me and Elsa.

VOTE: esotericzoomer

[mozamis]

full disclaimer tho - if norwee is town here we need to 100% vote between anya/elsa.

Not really, Elsa and Anya are so likely town now. If we are wrong about Norwegian, then scum is Eso, NM Rathe/Owen. Owen seems a long shot accoridng to Elsa.

[mozamis]

i kinda feel moz's play is like panicked scum here - trying to get the votes off partners, partner being elsa.

if moz were to flip scum we flip elsa right after.

im not crazy right? thats how it feels from my pov

There aren't any votes on Elsa?
I just cant see any motivation for scumElsa! for claiming like that. She was under no pressure, why bother?

[mozamis]

Did we get a reason from Eso on why he was voting Elsa? And then why he voted me? (after I called him out for being scum?)

[mozamis]

Why would town have a role that's purely for PR hunting? It's a straight-up scum role and I look forward to hammering Cycling

why would scumAnya claim after Elsa?! Makes no sense, there was ZERO pressure on her. All it did was put a spotlight on her.

[mozamis]

You were E-1?

No thanks to NotMaf putting me there. You also would've hammered me if I didn't kindly ask Kitty to unvote me to be safe.

Hmm, I didnt realise Elsa was at E-1, bollocks.
That complicates things. I thought she had zero reason to claim like that, as scum.
But shit. Ah, man...

Still, she prob is town anyway.
But Kitty and Anya still town. Kitty was under very little pressure, she looked like "confused" town.
And I still cant see AnyaScum! pulling out such a ballsy counter claim to sink ElsaTown.

Also, what are the odds of scumElsa! being UNLUCKY enough to fakeclaim something that is pretty much in the game already? Fucking unlucky as scum lol Can't really see it.
Overall, although there is SLIGHTLY more reason for Elsa to fake claim than i thought -didn't realise Elsa at E-1-, I still believe the claim.

[mozamis]

why is there so much resistance to norwegian when he's obvwolf i don't get it

fighting both wolves and town here

Happy with a Norwegian Elim.
I think we are all just processing the claims.
But when the dust settles, I think most people should see that all the claims are town, and P.O.E leaves us with Eso, Norwegian and NM. With Rather and UNowen being the outside chances.

[mozamis]

Don't agree at all with this Anya push from N_M/Norwegian.

Towniest thing you have said all game.

[mozamis]

You don't see the difference between a role that find VTs and a role that finds PRs?

How is this a meaningful distinction?

It's NM realising he has to amp up their contributions, so set up spec ahoy lol

[mozamis]

trying to shade elsa purely because he claimed under duress is sus as fuck

Read what I said. Elsa is so likely town. What I didnt realise was that they were E-1 at the time. My bungle.
But I still dont think it makes much difference.They are town.
Thanks for the BS tho!