Mini Normal 2223 | Town Wins!

[ManateeDude]

o/
VOTE: Dwlee

[ManateeDude]

did not

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:thinking:

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:thinking:

ive decided im townreading u :cool: :cool:

can we be townbuddies? :0

[ManateeDude]

I am masons with your mum

What's with you with people's mum :lol:

hes masons with them duhhhh

[ManateeDude]

[Progressionless post until MaxTheFox arrives]

VOTE: looker

i like this one

[ManateeDude]

VOTE: looker

@looker any reason u havent lay down a vote?

[ManateeDude]

interesting

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I'm not voting because I want to die first.

interesting

[ManateeDude]

on a serious note i dont like lookers passivity in regards to being asked about voting

[ManateeDude]

I'm un pasivo - you got a problem with gay people? We will be bullied into your control no longer!

i am in fact violently homophobic!!!

[ManateeDude]

max wagon is bad

[ManateeDude]

general consensus seems to be a dislike of their entry which i think is pretty nai

[ManateeDude]

wishing u the best <3

[ManateeDude]

Why is it bad to pile some votes on people?

it just seems a lot are serious votes for the wrong reason

[ManateeDude]

the looker wagon however

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/shrug

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grabbing this top while im at it

[ManateeDude]

am i maybe letting marci pocket me in the slightest? much 2 think abt

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OH btw just Manatee is preferred :>

forgot 2 say that part at the start

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max's response to votes on her is weird

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idk if it was like ignoring what i was getting at or just being weird but yeah idk

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@mod

make sure to clarify how many votes to elim in the VC

[ManateeDude]

Why are Women voting Titus? Is she a misogynist?

you're just saying words

[ManateeDude]

this game is gonna drive me off my rocker i can tell already

[ManateeDude]

looker looking like a good policy lim on top of the fact i dont really dont TR them at all

[ManateeDude]

what else would we be but unaligned?

[ManateeDude]

"someone wrote a long read on me early in the game guess im confscum"

ur not quite doing yourself any favours there

[ManateeDude]

i think marci was just asking if this is ur normal playstyle? what abt her comment provoked such a strong response from you?

[ManateeDude]

VOTE: Roden

i think ur getting way too defensive considering the people calling u out r not even full on saying ur wolfy

[ManateeDude]

VOTE: Roden

i think ur getting way too defensive considering the people calling u out r not even full on saying ur wolfy

Who do you mean by "the people calling [Roden] out"

you

[ManateeDude]

i think i just visualized there was more of a push in my head LMAO but i just meant your case

[ManateeDude]

pagetop!

i think the fact its just you that drew such a response from him makes it even more telling

[ManateeDude]

VOTE: Roden

i think ur getting way too defensive considering the people calling u out r not even full on saying ur wolfy

Who do you mean by "the people calling [Roden] out"

you

Well I am full on scumreading Roden and I thought I made that clear, so unless I'm remembering my own posting wrong this feels like a misrepresentation - not that I disagree that Roden seems defensive.

Tbh I expected you to say "me and marci" as in manatee and Marci, or just Marci, or maybe dwlee as they appear to be sheeping and not directly calling out Roden.

To me it feels like you're taking advantage of the situation here. :nerd:

Unfortunately when we were scumpartners I dont think you had long to post in the game before T3 bussed you. But I'm going to be checking on that.

Pedit do not claim

im just not paying that much attention to the game rn

[ManateeDude]

i can understand your concern im just pretty disengaged atm

[ManateeDude]

thats definitely an interesting perspective

[ManateeDude]

do you not think ur response to kyoukos read on you was defensive?

[ManateeDude]

And your own justification for voting me is that I'm "defensive"? You might as well be scum claiming tbh.

this statement implies you don't think you're being defensive which is why I asked you

[ManateeDude]

my statement was i think you are being TOO defensive given the circumstances

[ManateeDude]

this game is gonna drive me off my rocker i can tell already

looker looking like a good policy lim on top of the fact i dont really dont TR them at all

Looker and Manatee are unaligned, and if I might venture a little further I think it is likely TvS

this still have any part in ur vote now?

[ManateeDude]

yeah

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omo i dont think ur doing yourself any favours w the one liners

[ManateeDude]

responding prematurely and snarkily to a single scumread meets my definition of "too defensive"

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Side note but I'd rather avoid the song and dance of taking me to E-1 to get me to claim. I'm telling you now that it's a waste of time and that I don't really want to bother defending myself for the next few days over literally nothing. So if y'all want me to claim now just say the word.

fuck

[ManateeDude]

let me think about that

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yea i just think its suuuper weird with how u responded to the push given at the time of that post you had like 3-4 votes on you at that point

your response to the scumread on you is overly worried and i feel it echoes someone elses statement abt u possibly feeling "scumread for the wrong reason"

[ManateeDude]

dont care, I'm blatantly town and you're not

you're not helping anyone with this style of posting and this kind of abrasiveness just makes a lot of people unwilling to want to engage with you regardless of your alignment

[ManateeDude]

quote my response that you're referring to

that one was for roden

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omo your one dimensional approach to adressing things is not a good look

[ManateeDude]

you are most definitenly not blatantly town omo

why am I scum then?

You townread Looker for no reason in an attempt to pocket him because you know this slot is town from your beautiful mafia perspective

i like this take

[ManateeDude]

see the thing youre doing is demanding nuance from other players while offering one-dimensional takes without elaboration and its kind of reading like you want to seem engaged while refusing to start meaningful engagement yourself

[ManateeDude]

see the thing youre doing is demanding nuance from other players while offering one-dimensional takes without elaboration and its kind of reading like you want to seem engaged while refusing to start meaningful engagement yourself

this ones for omo if that wasnt obvious

[ManateeDude]

VOTE: omo
i like this more and more

[ManateeDude]

manatee do u usually switch votes so much? :shifty:

trying out smth new!!

[ManateeDude]

i dont really want to vote roden rn esp considering the weird "i'll claim now" post that i'll need to revisit now

[ManateeDude]

i dont really want to vote roden rn esp considering the weird "i'll claim now" post that i'll need to revisit now

*revisit later

[ManateeDude]

i'd probably need to reread thread but i'd be open to hearing what other players have to say

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top

marci do you wanna elaborate on your omo TR? i'm looking more into the slot rn so i'd be happy to elaborate as well

[ManateeDude]

omo you are taco right?

[ManateeDude]

saudade talk to me abt titus vote

[ManateeDude]

what about my omo vote? why highlight him and not me

who are you talking about here

[ManateeDude]

what about my omo vote? why highlight him and not me

who are you talking about here

talking to marcistar about the omo vote, highlighting you and not me

ah. i know the dude part can be offputting but im a she

[ManateeDude]

roden do you still scumread me or r u just looking for contradictions in the way i posed things

[ManateeDude]

omo you are taco right?

yup thats another one of my alts

yeah I'm not that complex in early game and just shit out random reads, it's gonna develop over time like right now ;)

not noticing this pattern in at least one aforementioned taco game

[ManateeDude]

Maybe to cover for a scum buddy who previously had suspicion on them?

do tell then! if ur looking for motivation behind my posts you should be seeking out a possible buddy instead of vaguely mentioning it as a possibility

[ManateeDude]

fucked up the quotes whoops

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in response to marci while i dont have her at the top of my townreads i havent derived scum motivation and i also pressed your predecessor. its pretty obvious i was trying to gage a reaction from you and i didnt need to do that with marci yet

[ManateeDude]

saudade talk to me abt titus vote

If day ends right this moment and i have to pick a target itd be titus

interesting. her iso is pretty barebones and im not a huge fan of the naked looker vote but besides theres really nothing to work with

[ManateeDude]

why did i think u replaced looker

[ManateeDude]

why did i think u replaced looker

[ManateeDude]

roden i think ur focusing on theorycrafting instead of reading.

u responded defensively to a vote on you. marci didnt respond in a way i scumread regardless of whether it was objectively good or bad

[ManateeDude]

roden i think ur focusing on theorycrafting instead of reading.

u responded defensively to a vote on you. marci didnt respond in a way i scumread regardless of whether it was objectively good or bad

What theory crafting? I looked at your interactions after you literally told me to do so.

Your refusal to even look at Marci is what's pinging me. You actually got very defensive of her yourself when I voted her. Why is that?

i literally just clarified a pretty obvious point that u didn't read properly? im not sure how that adds up to "very defensive"

[ManateeDude]

Roden i think ur theorycrafting bc ur reading into normal interactions on a way deeper level

[ManateeDude]

i dont even have marci near the top of my TRs? ur drawing such odd conclusions

[ManateeDude]

im on a roll with these pagetops

[ManateeDude]

holy shit.

[ManateeDude]

[Saudade, ssbm, max]
[Roden, Salsa, N_M]
[geraint, marci, goofball] null
[Titus, Dwlee]
[owo]

so this is out there

[ManateeDude]

depends on my mood

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Roden i think ur theorycrafting bc ur reading into normal interactions on a way deeper level

You mean like me who you sheeped in voting Rowen?
VOTE: manatee

what r u referring to

[ManateeDude]

Also marci and manatee are suddenly distancing here, again not what I was expecting to see

weird to call it distancing when we've interacted like twice and we're just clarifying under weird scrutiny

[ManateeDude]

watching kyoukos read on me flip like 3 times is pretty amusing

[ManateeDude]

i didnt think the TRs were meant to be taken seriously given it was like the first page. i didnt think i presented theorycrafting as inherently scummy but that i thought he should focus on reads instead of drawing on weird interpersonal theories that were pretty flimsy in their reasoning

[ManateeDude]

im much more willing to listen to individual cases that might be reachy but i think cases involving teams r pretty flimsy this early

[ManateeDude]

i didnt think the TRs were meant to be taken seriously given it was like the first page. i didnt think i presented theorycrafting as inherently scummy but that i thought he should focus on reads instead of drawing on weird interpersonal theories that were pretty flimsy in their reasoning

Maybe you didnt think it but the way you two were acting looked to me like you were town treating each other as town, or one or both of you were scum. You two were building off of each other and there was no evidence of suspicion between you.

You did not directly present theorycrafting as scummy, but it read to me that way. Maybe I'm not reading it correctly. If you thought he should be focusing on [individual] reads instead of pre-flip associatives, I feel like you dont come up with this term "theorycrafting" that you give an entirely different definition to. You just use the terms that already exist for this purpose. Were you aware of the term "pre-flip associative" when you made the initial theory crafting post?

yeah i think this chalks up what i was trying to get at. i'd probably heard the term pre flip associative but it wasnt part of my vocabulary or a term I'd use when describing what i was aiming to describe

[ManateeDude]

++town points for Titus for engaging now in comparison to dwlee who feels pretty frozen

[ManateeDude]

holy shit yea we dont have much time

[ManateeDude]

i'd like a vc

[ManateeDude]

do you have any other reasoning besides that? kyo has been pretty strongly town in most people books and u do look pretty frozen from our perspectives

[ManateeDude]

You only need to catch scum slipping in one way to catch them. I just don't think town!Kyo would push me on "you're lying about your attention span." If it was a chess move the engine would put a big ol ?! next to the move.

towny thought processes, good engagement and pretty good reads dont really fall apart too well under "oh well she should know i dont pay attention"

[ManateeDude]

who is kyo

ssbm kyouko

[ManateeDude]

To pull a T3,

I don't think T3 is ever living that down. Poor guy.

What did I miss?

In a recently ended mini normal t3 claimed a guilty on his scum buddy while he was traitor. Promptly got nightkilled.

i was said buddy

[ManateeDude]

saudade titus interaction TvT i wanna say

[ManateeDude]

its pretty catty and not fun 2 read but im failing to find any motivation

[ManateeDude]

good god

[ManateeDude]

i actually think nm is town this time around

[ManateeDude]

VOTE: Dwlee

[ManateeDude]

oh my god

[ManateeDude]

this game is so grossly abrasive in some aspects i just want to completely flake out

[ManateeDude]

Saudade town read dropping dramatically in just two pages. Didn't expect that.

its a lot harder to townread someone being an asshole

[ManateeDude]

this game is so grossly abrasive in some aspects i just want to completely flake out

Sorry if I'm a part of that.

nothing u need 2 worry abt

[ManateeDude]

what shitty votes r u getting at

[ManateeDude]

VOTE: oʍo

im super happy 2 jump back here btw

[ManateeDude]

i dont much like rodens posting either math but i think hes in the right kind of mindset. how do u feel abt the way hes approaching the game?

[ManateeDude]

VOTE: omo

dwlee i cant figure out why u TR them

[ManateeDude]

best of luck

[ManateeDude]

yea im inclined to agree w u here im not much a fan of salsa but i think theyre a better elim later rather then sooner as they tend to interact w a lot of players and i think theres more we can get out of them either way

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omo what are your current thoughts on a titus lim

and ill answer your question abt my sr on u later

[ManateeDude]

feel like a lot of people are hedging on their reads on me cos mafia dont know if they can push me as a mislim

[ManateeDude]

Did y'all miss that omo claimed miller?

was that serious?

[ManateeDude]

omo my friend you are just saying words with no meaning

[ManateeDude]

feel like a lot of people are hedging on their reads on me cos mafia dont know if they can push me as a mislim

Perspective slip alert

If yall were unsure b4 that post is disgustingly scum mindset based on that wording^^

I need help cause I feel like there is some moonlogic here.

Yeah ill explain when i get home. Has to do with trying to place a scumread on anyone considering pushing her.

thats not what i was saying? a lot of the playerlist doesnt have a stated opinion and i just think thats interesting considering the space my slot is in

[ManateeDude]

ur being purposely obstinate and seeing what u want to when from my perspective it makes perfect sense to be wary of the fact players are avoiding taking a stance on my slot given my current position.

[ManateeDude]

But you said that's because mafia isn't sure. How did you figure that?

i dont think everyone pushing me fully is scum? that means mafia is unsure of whether or not theyre going to push me as a whole

[ManateeDude]

ur reasoning is oh she has thoughts about mafia perspective so she slipped as mafia from what im getting

[ManateeDude]

im actually down for marci considering theyre one of the slots i think was being hedgy on me

[ManateeDude]

i think i'll vote marci based on her repsonse to rodens questioning cos i think it was very good

[ManateeDude]

UNVOTE:

not sure about omo but we can adress it again tmrw

[ManateeDude]

marci not acting like a total scumfuck in response to votes is good but idk if its good enough for me

[ManateeDude]

dwlees iso is pretty bad and if theres enough interest i'd be willing to case them.

max is not a good elimination just bc they have been sussed out based on weird interactions w me and marci. i know im tiwn and marci herself is getting more sympathy it seems which kinda dissolves most of the reasoning i've noticed inthread for her scumread

idk if i can convince people on omo cos even my read on them is inconsistent, but they have a LOT of stuff i can dig up once again w interest.

marci even if town gives us stuff to work with postflip bc theyve been interacting a lot more as of late.

not sure what omos getting at w the "complex thoughts" in regards bc it kind of just reads as a way to get off the wagon w justification which town shouldn't need to do. if marci is scum here her "complex thoughts" hold value primarily post-flip

[ManateeDude]

omo has generally been very wishy washy, inconsistent and intentionally offputting so far this game. a skim of their iso will find a lot of fencesits, votes that are quickly rescinded. they seem pretty willing to follow stronger players more silently and are quite often vague in their statements, in what i think is an attempt to avoid locking themselves into a thought process that isnt favourable for town later down the road. a skim through their iso reveals a lack of reads on a lot of players, and many are purposely vague or based on an another players perspective. its pretty easy for omo to take up a few semi-popular viewpoints that they can fencesit, and pull through on at a later point when its convinient for them. omos posts voting me as opposed to a more popular pick are all coupled with a statement they'd also be ok pushing the more popular pick which feels like perfect positioning for a mislim on either end

Spoiler: quotes n thoughts

omo is either scum or just trying to cause chaos. None of their posts make much sense as town, they're either baseless accusations or dodging questions.

Yes I am causing chaos. Why is that scummy?

this post is super telling and i think it sets up for a discred on max bc her thought process was really solid, and omo AS max stated does the aforementioned dodging real criticism by not adressing the other aspects of max's reasoning. its really not a good look for early game and i didnt even notice it until here

dont care, I'm blatantly town and you're not

you are most definitenly not blatantly town omo

why am I scum then?

omo does some more doubtcasting, and the obvtown comment is really bad. this response looks like a pretty obvious way to distract from their original point (not a good look) and immediately flip to the other end of the spectrum in attempt to doubtcast the original point (being that omo is NOT obvtown)

omo you are taco right?

yup thats another one of my alts

yeah I'm not that complex in early game and just shit out random reads, it's gonna develop over time like right now ;)

not noticing this pattern in at least one aforementioned taco game

wrongo

i wont claim to be a huge meta reader but when theres a pretty obvious discepancy i can point it out. this game gives pretty different scope of how they act, with them supplying many complicated takes and engaging in a complex manner with various players. i wouldnt find this huge if they didn't say it was objectively untrue, but from the way i see it they made a statement about their style that doesnt match the way i analyzed their behavior

VOTE: manatee
I'm content with a titus lim on the basis that it is outside my confident townreads because i cant read titus but would be a loss if they flipped town for us.

this post is super in that they kind of back away from developing any sort of read on titus and WHILE voting me. i'd be content if they admitted they couldn't read titus without the caveat that theyd also be ok limming them but it feels weird to say you cant read someone and be in favour of their lim. they ALSO ackonwledge T!Titus would be a loss but they're also perfectly content with the same person going without any real read on them?

feel like a lot of people are hedging on their reads on me cos mafia dont know if they can push me as a mislim

Perspective slip alert

If yall were unsure b4 that post is disgustingly scum mindset based on that wording^^

But you said that's because mafia isn't sure. How did you figure that?

i dont think everyone pushing me fully is scum? that means mafia is unsure of whether or not theyre going to push me as a whole

ur reasoning is oh she has thoughts about mafia perspective so she slipped as mafia from what im getting

alright so what's your perspective on the gamestate ATP?

this series of responses is kind of telling around omo's wishy-washy behavior as their noted "perspective slip" on me which was originally extremely fragile falls apart with a bit of pushback and without anyone agreeing. i find it interesting that even now when they r back to voting me no mention of this perspective slip has been raised. i think its bc as a point against me it doesnt work and they realized it.

VOTE: omo

[ManateeDude]

im going 2 bed (im probably not) feel free to ask me questions i will answer in the morning

[ManateeDude]

i think theyre talking abt me but clarification would be nice

[ManateeDude]

math what do u think abt what i had 2 say regarding omo/an omo lim

[ManateeDude]

VOTE: marci

im not going today and i will make that 100% true if need be

[ManateeDude]

i dont even like marci lim but taking me out is much much worse for game

[ManateeDude]

i can be friendly if need be

[ManateeDude]

@kyouko i trust your judgement here, so give me a little longer to be friendly and it'll do both of us a lot of favours

[ManateeDude]

i dont think i implied i liked eliminating u in that podt just that it gave us stuff 2 work with

[ManateeDude]

i dont think i implied i liked eliminating u in that podt just that it gave us stuff 2 work with

@marci btw

[ManateeDude]

i guess its the difference between thinking an elim could be valuable and liking it. my perspective pretty quickly changed between the two posts esp given the fact i became a target during that time

[ManateeDude]

u can clearly see i isoed omo inbtwn those two points so

"not enough to unvote" and "would prefer other person ive cased" is the perspective switch

[ManateeDude]

sold.

VOTE: DGB

[ManateeDude]

first VOTE: omo

[ManateeDude]

i actually think dwlee being off wagon in the way he was is a better look for him then the way omo hopped on

[ManateeDude]

*they, wont happen again

[ManateeDude]

i think i'll reread D1 when i have the free time afforded to me by finishing this damned summer school course

[ManateeDude]

[ssbm]
[mathblade, titus, marci]
[Dwlee, Salsa]
[geraint, N_M]
[Max, omo]

i have like two weeks of english work I need to do so I'm going to be away from thread for quite a while

[ManateeDude]

manatee do u understand how terribad it is that you think max and I could be teammates.

that wasnt the implication of my list

[ManateeDude]

its based on my individual reads on who i am scumreading the strongest. i dont think you and max are teammates but i do scumread both of u individually pretty strongly.

maybe

[ssbm]
[mathblade, titus, marci]
[Dwlee, Salsa]
[geraint, N_M]
[Max OR omo]

works for you?

[ManateeDude]

omo did u miss the whole im conftown bit

[ManateeDude]

i think i have to suck it up and give omo the benefit of the doubt

[ManateeDude]

@Titus, why did you choose to babysit Manatee? What was the thought process?

Manatee was a widely suspected slot. I wanted it to be alive to correct the beliefs about themselves or worst case he'd die and it would be dispelled. The protect was about the day play. I knew the risk and did it anyway.

i know the dude can be offputting but im a she. im assuming you missed my FN soft?

[ManateeDude]

here's a better list:

[Kyouko]
[Salsa, MB, Manatee, Marci]
[NM, Titus]
[gerain, dwlee]
[max]

was refferring to this one when i asked if u missed the fact im conftown

[ManateeDude]

VOTE: Max

im fucking killing this english work btw

[ManateeDude]

im lurking rn cos i dont want to go to my computer and actually type things max and salsa come talk 2 me

[ManateeDude]

I said im lurking. salsa what r ur thoughts on max rn? you lay down a vote but im curious how serious it was

[ManateeDude]

and max since we're all here how do u feel abt salsa, specifically her vote on you?

[ManateeDude]

Friendly Neighbour

[ManateeDude]

i can be friendly if need be

@kyouko i trust your judgement here, so give me a little longer to be friendly and it'll do both of us a lot of favours

I was damn near town locking DGB due to Looker, but that is a good point about DGB's posts. Last game I was with DGB I ended up tunneling them to the point I tried to Vig them, but they also played way differently in that game. They've been extremely inactive and not really trying to make any waves this time around, possibly just coasting on the town read Looker forged for them. Re-evaluating Looker again, I also remember thinking they were trying to look scummy on purpose. It made me think they were either too scummy to be scummy and maybe had a PR, or they were gambitting we would assume TSTBS. I should've had them null in my reads list tbh.

I think I'm actually fine with this wagon.

VOTE: DrippingGoofball

VOTE: DGB

TRing everyone on this wagon.

VOTE: DGB

TRing everyone on this wagon.

VOTE: DGB

Ditto.

Oh and not sure if anyone saw a recent WWF ad? It’s so cute I just have to share it.



Show love to people <3

Wonderfriends unite!

Not sure if dwlee or omo comes first.

Wonderfriend manatee, what do you think?

[ManateeDude]

targeting babysitter is dangerous no matter what and im of the belief mafia missed my soft

[ManateeDude]

or mafia get targeted and they take themselves out? big risk

[ManateeDude]

I think Titus, Marci, Manatee, Me is the block, and omo/mathblade are like auxiliary to the block.

Does anyone in the block listed (not the auxiliary) disagree with the block?

still hesitant on omo i think i dropped my perspective on them wayyyy to quickly but otherwise i agree pretty much.

im probably gonna do some analysis tmrw BUT rn im focusing on passing my classes for the rest of td

[ManateeDude]

something feels weird

i concur

[ManateeDude]

wdym omo

[ManateeDude]

omg mindmeld kyouko when it comes 2 salsa/max. i tried to sus out their thoughts in regards to each other earlier but didn't analyze before schoolwork came 2 bite me in the ass. on a good note,,, i passed my summer school course w a grade in the 90s SO i can devote time to the game now !!!

[ManateeDude]

that readslist is so questionable aswell

[ManateeDude]

its vv clear she is not reading and i dont see why town lies about that, the catchups r just random engagements and i dont think theyre made in attempt to start meaningful conversations but rather as an attempt to seem involved

[ManateeDude]

titus i think u should read what kyo has 2 say abt max

[ManateeDude]

man i was gonna case max but ssbm beat me to it so im just gonna use my towncred to say it should be sheeped

[ManateeDude]

i think max's weird stances on N_M are to be noted as well - i might check if theres anything else besides what i've noticed

[ManateeDude]

i think max's weird stances on N_M are to be noted as well - i might check if theres anything else besides what i've noticed

meh. its kind of weird how max continually chose to iterate how they thought NM was towny based on next to nothing but its not as much as i thought it was - if anything it points to town NM but im not sure if thats too useful rn

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yea im pretty amiable to NM being town and that one helps i think. im of the theory max chose NM as an easy townread to cling on, and i'd argue the same of me though i dont think thats as important

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only player im ??? on is geraint atm. everyone else im >60% confident with

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hey marci

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max you have completely missed the fact i am a claimed self confirming PR

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hmm

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Im thinking salsa is the elim for today? it seeems pretty cut and dry but im absolutely not sure who buddy is at all

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im thinking marci salsa as well. im gonna revisit both isos in a bit

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yea looking back i dont think marcis positioning on DGB wagon means anything esp considering how she flitted around the slot. theres this weird example (remind me to pull it up on computer) where she calls dgb a leftover read and not a fleshed out one despite sticking her vote on it

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i thought townblock was kyo/me/marci/titus +tentative omo & MB

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i really dont like dwlee positioning kyo as a possible deepwolf but idk what it means xd

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am also a tad confused

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kyos order is good!

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salsas AtE feels pretty forced and unhelpful,, im liking marci a lot more rn but i still am of the mindset theyre a team and don't much care what order they go in

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im really struggling with gamestate right now so im just going to give my thoughts on everyone so its out there and work towards a solve from there.

Not_Mafia - a lot of my feelings around his slot hinged around the belief that max was scum, so i feel a lot of those processes were disrupted with the green flip. i do think the post kyo made abt n_m noting saudade is ++ in town points for him but i'll be the first one to admit i have absolutely no clue how to read him. im tempted to default town for now, as i dont think flipping him anytime soon does us any favours. verdict: ????????????

MathBlade - generic strong townread /shrug i feel like whenever i explain my townreads it ends up being something regurgitated along the lines of "i like their thought process" which IS what it boils down to,,, i feel like im reading him on a very surface level and most have been happy to pass out townreads. posing dwlees lack of conftown in the block as something inherently scummy is weird to say the least, but thats the only thing i've really found myself disagreeing with after a brief iso skim. i DO think that MB is the most likely deepwolf here based on his ability to kind of skate along grabbing up townreads and i feel myself getting dwlees aforementioned heebie jeebies regarding his slot. verdict: probably town or the tiny voice in my head is right

geraint - verdict: town

dwlee - hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm. a quick iso revist prompts a lot of things i dont like, and at times i wonder how they stick out like a sore thumb so much and havent drawn an elimination. i do think maintaining their possible wolf view on kyo is a good sign, as at this point in the game scum is actively digging themselves in a hole to state that process. i think their heebie jeebies regarding kyo are genuine if misguided. i dont think they r a good elimination at all today, though if we get a green flip i wouldn't mind revisiting him tmrw if im alive. aditionally dwlee doesnt have as much teammate equity w DGB or any other potential suspects in comparison to a marci or salsa. i also dont know much abt dwlee specifically but i doubt they choose to protest DGB elimination with no backing and would be of the opinion bussing is the better option at that point. verdict: sorting pile for later

ssbm - verdict: town

i'll talk abt marci and salsa after ive made and served dinner for my family but i'd like it if everyone gave at the very least a basic readslist

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obligatody drunk post

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That doesn't add to 100%

yra i also thought this LMAO but

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Salsa could you at least give me a basic readslist,,, marci too

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i have a really bad headache i will post later or maybe not

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im confused

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NM just did it its your turn

also headache is alleviated

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cool

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I really would love to hear from G/Manatee about Kyo’s change in read.

I think then based on they say we either flash NM or not.

Something doesn’t sit right and I am not sure how to say it so I am just going to let this sit and see where G and Manatee come in.

im not noting anything specifically wrong with the read. its also very late and im super busy tmrw so a more nuanced take on it has to wait until tmrw evening

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catching up now

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ok im going to preface this with saying i do not believe there is any reality where kyo flips wolf here. im not going to entertain any theories involving flipping her and i really do not see how kyos positioning at EoD ever is scum alongside Goofball. feel free to argue but this is something i'll remain firm on.

dwlee im actually coming around on?? i think they didnt respond awfully to kyos push which is ++town in my book

i'll tentatively trust kyo w her salsa stance just bc im struggling w reading her

marci is an anomaly to me. reminder to go back and read her iso

N_M once again digs himself into a deeper hole and i dont think hes a great elim,, my worry would be keeping him around is worse

i feel like im missing smth in general which is just. guh demoralizing i want to be able to give a strong read but im pretty cluttered in my head

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i wanted to make sure i said smth before tomorrow but if kyo or geraint r around then i'd love for someone to pick my brain

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i really just cant force myself to look at that D1 and say she flips scum given the fact she had the option of marci that was super easy to sustain given her previous statements. in all honesty im circling back to your point and defaulting to "N_M is town" which isnt helpful,,, so could i bug you for an explanation cos i feel like im missing smth sorry :/

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ty that makes a lot more sense!! i will sleep on it and revisit what u said tmrw but for now im happy placing a metaphorical vote on N_M

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will wait for kyos N_M meta dive 2 give further thought

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VOTE: dwlee

i think

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VOTE: N_M

satisfactory dwlee response

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nope. i dont think its better to wait for one of me or geraint to die. i understand your conviction with dwlee but N_M is a liability in any case and i really dont think flipping dwlee today is the best course of action

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Looks like geraintm is normally active before deadline. Would Dwlee, Math, and Manatee vote Salsa with me and he can hammer in the morning?

I'd be ok w that

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VOTE: salsa

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MathBlade
Dwlee99
ssbm_Kyouko
ManateeDude
Salsabil Faria
marcistar

hmmmm

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im of the opinion that especially with a N_M flip it is most plausible that one of salsa or marci is the last scum given that kyo saw my friendly nerighbour soft and those two seem the most likely to miss it, as N_M definitely did.
the combination of N1 kill and kyo being the founder of the DGB wagon makes me sure she doesnt flip scum here

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salsa>marci wins us the game i think

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VOTE: salsa

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i love being right