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[Esooa]

hey gang

[Esooa]

VOTE: Farren

VOTE: nsg

what'd you move your vote here for

[Esooa]

North has said nothing scummy idk why there's a wagon on them

bruh

[Esooa]

post 26 is really bad but iirc from playing with flow trap before he just makes posts like that lmfao

[Esooa]

wow that t3 spam was awful

Kinda scummy too, he's being way more jokey than I remember as town, where he basically wasn't at all

[Esooa]

North has said nothing scummy idk why there's a wagon on them

i think that if i were RC i would kill you for this post alone

tbh despite thinking this post isn't really AI from flow, I like that you're at least calling it out. Seeing no one do it made me ?

Do you know Flow?

[Esooa]

I'm really awkward as scum in RVS>

Kinda like this game?

[Esooa]

So yeah, actually.
Let's locktown me and nsg and yeet Farren into hell. VOTE: Farren

eh, this is reasonable though, I agree nsg was towny and your flip on them looks good

Agree with the farren vote atp too

[Esooa]

I was also immediately pinged by #26. It is a

very

odd comment to make two pages into the game when there are only two ostensibly RVS votes on northsidegal. This is compounded by the fact that Farren explained his vote clearly only a few votes before.

so, it seems like flow trap is both just posting an observation to post without actually thinking about the game on a deeper level. I also thought a townie entering the game here would interact more with the people already posting, or even join the already built wagon.

flow trap did neither so my observation in #13 was less tongue-in-cheek than might have been first interpreted. I didn't really scum read flow trap off of that, but that was my first reaction of, "huh that's a bit awkward." but then I tried to coax flow trap to join the wagon on NSG and they just refused for seemingly no real reason. I felt like he was using the cutesy-memey responses to avoid having to take responsibility for

actively

avoiding the wagon.

like i tend to think townies, especially in RVS, are on average more likely to swing their vote around and build wagons even for n/a reasons. I don't know flow trap and I'm probably not going to meta them anytime soon but I am still lacking a sense of why their approach to voting nsg was like oil on water

I don't think that overall really says anything about northsidegal's alignment, more just that flow trap seemed to be deliberately avoiding taking a bold stance (like being the third vote on a wagon could be seen as)

hmm

Kinda eh on the fact you didn't comment on it when it was actually posted iirc but tbh the explanation is pretty good so you can be town

[Esooa]

I think flow needs more content in terms of their reaction before i feel any level of confidence but im feeling their scum meta in their vibes.
VOTE: flow
E-2

what specifically about their scum meta are you feeling?

this is the second or third time Dannflor has asked something I wanted to as well, which I like

[Esooa]

why are you townreading me or flow trap?

nsg I love your profile picture btw lol

[Esooa]

omg i forgot esooa is in this game.

wait are you Koba?

[Esooa]

i have like one other thought but it's not relevant atm and i don't want to derail. Ask if you really want to know

basically i feel that either flow is sloppy scum or a false flag, and he feels more like the latter.
it also takes me a while to feel out who's just goofing and who's maf and goofing, so that definitely contributes to weak early reads of mine. sorry.

did you just say you weren't going to give the thought immediately then you gave it in the same post?

[Esooa]

Agree with the farren vote atp too

can you expand on this? partially cause i might have an opinion to contribute

yeah, they're in thread asking questions and taking stuff seemingly serious but they're not actually solving at all

so anyways VOTE: farren

[Esooa]

nono i still have the thought it's right here in my back pocket
my drafts only go through so much editing i'm afraid -.-

do you want to share it?

[Esooa]

Koba are you going to tunnel me this game?

[Esooa]

wow that t3 spam was awful

Kinda scummy too, he's being way more jokey than I remember as town, where he basically wasn't at all

Have people seen T3 play like this btw? When I played with him last I meta read like 4 of his games and I've played with him twice and I've not seen it. I guess since he didn't do it as a wolf before it's not super wolfy but it's making me uncomfortable lmao

[Esooa]

Agree with the farren vote atp too

can you expand on this? partially cause i might have an opinion to contribute

yeah, they're in thread asking questions and taking stuff seemingly serious but they're not actually solving at all

so anyways VOTE: farren

yeah, okay
so my thought was
I also think Farren is playing it a little too easy. There is one way to look at his posts that would make me doubt he's maf, but for the most part nothing he's done is making me tr him. If someone's played with him before, any info would be helpful.
in other words, yeah ill throw them a vote
VOTE: farren

Any reason you didn't want to explain this before?

[Esooa]

bruh why does that post have so many frowny faces lmao

[Esooa]

because you gave no conclusions or anything from your questions. They went no where for the most part

[Esooa]

Esooa wolfin

[Esooa]

Have people seen T3 play like this btw?

what exactly do you mean "like this"

i have a very loose experience / read a couple games of his and personally i feel he is a bit hard to pin down and can feel "unnatural" as both alignments

i dont know to what you are referring to this game? you keep mentioning his spam but that seemed to be a technological misfunction sooo

think I've explained, they're just way more jokey and by spam post or whatever, I don't mean what they did on accident lol. When t3 played before, they didn't post much at all, and pretty much just gave short reads in one-two posts every once in a while.

I was hoping to be able to get an easy read on him tbh, he was really easy to read before imo but atm I'd lean wolf

[Esooa]

also, @flow trap, what is your actual read on esooa? do you actually scumread her?

From the one post that I remember, yes

for?

[Esooa]

just realized I have 2 town reads and 3 scum reads lmao

I guess it's not that bad because the split is 5-3?

Still, you guys should be more towny

[Esooa]

I'm tempted to raise that amount to 4 wolf reads too with how flow is pretty much just trolling lol

who was the person who said flow was scummy on meta? I was hoping to hear more from them about that

[Esooa]

wow that t3 spam was awful

Kinda scummy too, he's being way more jokey than I remember as town, where he basically wasn't at all

Have people seen T3 play like this btw? When I played with him last I meta read like 4 of his games and I've played with him twice and I've not seen it. I guess since he didn't do it as a wolf before it's not super wolfy but it's making me uncomfortable lmao

Have people seen T3 play like this btw?

what exactly do you mean "like this"

i have a very loose experience / read a couple games of his and personally i feel he is a bit hard to pin down and can feel "unnatural" as both alignments

i dont know to what you are referring to this game? you keep mentioning his spam but that seemed to be a technological misfunction sooo

think I've explained, they're just way more jokey and by spam post or whatever, I don't mean what they did on accident lol. When t3 played before, they didn't post much at all, and pretty much just gave short reads in one-two posts every once in a while.

I was hoping to be able to get an easy read on him tbh, he was really easy to read before imo but atm I'd lean wolf

actually what do you mean I keep mentioning his "spam post"

I pretty much only said it was awful once, and didn't actually say it meant anything

I wrote that he's being way more jokey, and asked about that again

I assumed I had mentioned him posting more as part of what I think is different about him this game, but after ISOing myself as well it's not there

[Esooa]

also, @flow trap, what is your actual read on esooa? do you actually scumread her?

From the one post that I remember, yes

for?

*ahem*

EMBARRASSED EMOJI OF DOOM!

this is content?

[Esooa]

if u say so lol

[Esooa]

[Esooa]

VOTE: red tea

[Esooa]

kobas read on me is consistently one of the worst btw

in case anyone was wondering

[Esooa]

God I want to ask koba how she ever has those two as to town but I want don't want to get in a fight as I've had enough of those recently

someone else do it

[Esooa]

VOTE: red tea

why did you drop farren here

I liked the idea of a new wagon

[Esooa]

farrens posting didn't change my mind on them at all

[Esooa]

btw I think I'm town reading both flow trap and esooa now

all questions can go to my manager

ask them why you're town reading me

actually both of us

[Esooa]

btw I think I'm town reading both flow trap and esooa now

all questions can go to my manager

ask them why you're town reading me

actually both of us

honestly I feel like you don't randomly hop on a new wagon, while you still had traction on the old wagon, admit you are still scum reading your old wagon, and then claim your only reason for starting the new wagon is "I felt like it," as scum

it just feels very comfortable, which honestly weren't the vibes I was getting from you at the start of the game! so maybe I'm a clown and you've settled in but that sequence of events is just like

idk I would have expected you to make up a more "legitimate" sounding reason at some point, or shown a read progression, but you just openly admitted you did not

I will elaborate on flow trap in probably a bigger reads list a little later in the day, I'm waiting for nsg to post a little more and specifically curious if her read on flowtrap has changed at all

works with me

[Esooa]

what's my archetype koba

[Esooa]

Town esooa likes to get into fights and thunderdomes, scum esooa likes to stay away from that, both are aggressive though usually, but scum esooa notably is not as much so or rather can be passive and let others run the show.

In our scum game, I was mostly pulling the strings and pushing town to mislim eachother while esooa just sat back and took potshots and such.
Sorta feel same vibe here.

koba, you've played one game with me in like 6 months. I was slanking the FoL game for obvious reasons. That's the biggest part of why I was less direct in it. And that's pretty much the same with my town game. My direct involvement is related to my investment, not alignment

past that I'm less thunder dome-y in general. He's my most recently ended town game:

https://www.mafiauniverse.com/forums/threads/31413

I'm mantischora

[Esooa]

kobas read on me is consistently one of the worst btw

in case anyone was wondering

Cite a single game where I had an incorrect read on you after pushing you.

barely remember our games tbh I just like calling your read bad

[Esooa]

kobas read on me is consistently one of the worst btw

in case anyone was wondering

Haven't caught up yet, but if I were, I'd be voting for you now.

Oh, that didn't take long.

VOTE: Esooa

I already like townlocked Farren but this kind of like thought flow is a bit more blatant evidence I can show that might help others see what I'm seeing in terms of Farren being town - where Farren is not playing an agenda but rather displaying a "town genuinely solving" mindset where he is genuinely reading the game and processing what is going on in it.

I have no clue how the quoted posts mean that

[Esooa]

kobas read on me is consistently one of the worst btw

in case anyone was wondering

Haven't caught up yet, but if I were, I'd be voting for you now.

Oh, that didn't take long.

VOTE: Esooa

I already like townlocked Farren but this kind of like thought flow is a bit more blatant evidence I can show that might help others see what I'm seeing in terms of Farren being town - where Farren is not playing an agenda but rather displaying a "town genuinely solving" mindset where he is genuinely reading the game and processing what is going on in it.

Huh, that makes sense.

does it?

[Esooa]

T3 can you give an actual read on me

[Esooa]

do you prefer town or wolf nsg?

[Esooa]

how well do you think you can wolf?

[Esooa]

town.

also meh, maybe i'm overthinking dannflor's play with regards to me.

Maybe. But it was pretty villagery regardless, so that's cool

[Esooa]

at this point

[Esooa]

how sad

[Esooa]

you and dann town

t3, farren, redtea wolf

then there's what.. flowtrap? They seem fine. I don't remember the rest. Oh yeah, enchant. I think their reasoning for voting t3 was towny but it's something I've seen better wolves use, I think it's probably towny though. As for koba, one sec

[Esooa]

kobas read on me is consistently one of the worst btw

in case anyone was wondering

Haven't caught up yet, but if I were, I'd be voting for you now.

Oh, that didn't take long.

VOTE: Esooa

I already like townlocked Farren but this kind of like thought flow is a bit more blatant evidence I can show that might help others see what I'm seeing in terms of Farren being town - where Farren is not playing an agenda but rather displaying a "town genuinely solving" mindset where he is genuinely reading the game and processing what is going on in it.

I actually think this is the wolfiest post in the thread

the read sounds fake as fuck as koba says there's "thought flow," but that flow is... "I'm going to vote esooa" "I voted esooa"

maybe I'm missing something because this is so ridiculously bland that I have no clue what anyone finds towny and it

but

VOTE: Esooa I'll sheep.

t3s agreement, as well as t3s other posts, make me believe he's the more likely wolf. I don't think wolf t3 just hops along with the koba read on farren there, were koba a wolf

t3s posts last page are pretty empty; agreeing with a koba post that doesn't actually make sense and voting me without having a read on me at all despite him actually having played with me recently are both things I dislike a lot

and his attitude in general comes off as scummy to me

[Esooa]

would you agree that there's something a little unbelievable about the idea that this seems to be your reaction only when prompted for reads instead of your immediate reaction to seeing that post?

it was my immediate reaction. I questioned koba on that post and t3 on his vote and agreement. I haven't gotten responses from either of them and didn't care to share regardless though, but if asked I figure may as well

how's that unbelievable?

[Esooa]

would you further agree that, if you think that that is the wolfiest post in the thread, the fact that your initial reaction to what troje said about your meta was to imply that they were not up to date on it rather than to think that they were scum simply lying to push you somewhat indicates that you actually believe (or are informed) that troje is town?

nope

[Esooa]

koba thinks they know my meta but it's changed. So I pointed out to them it's changed. If they were to not update their opinions I'd probably wolf read that but their post about my meta--while wrong--was fine imo. You're jumping the gun on this, tbh

[Esooa]

no nsg reply yet, how sad, I want her to town read me

[Esooa]

@koba apparently you're the one who said shit about flow meta

wanna explain your read on them

[Esooa]

flow needs his coffee

[Esooa]

farrens posting didn't change my mind on them at all

VOTE: red tea

why did you drop farren here

I liked the idea of a new wagon

Given that your previous thoughts on me were that I was scummy, I don't see how you get from "Farren is scummy" to "I think I'll vote elsewhere" without changing your mind. Moreover, jumping to someone that was voting for me at the time.

The logical explanation is that you don't actually think I'm scummy.

Actually, I did just think of a potential reason - at least for the changing your vote in general. But I still want to hear yours.

I liked the idea of a new wagon

[Esooa]

I'm not gonna vote camp someone all day. Sounds boring. Besides that I scum read red, which I've said. You've really got a problem with someone moving their vote from one scum read to another?

[Esooa]

past that, you already were in thread and said things responding to me. It's day 1, I'm not going to stick on a read, movement is way more useful imo

[Esooa]

Moreover, jumping to someone that was voting for me at the time.

and btw anyone who says stuff like this day 1 needs to stop

[Esooa]

Hell VC1.07

Released in 1984, West End Girls is considered one of the greatest songs in British duo Pet Shop Boys' discography. The song was also performed at the closing ceremony of the 2012 Summer Olympics.

With 9 alive, it takes 5 to send someone to Hell

redtea (3):

Esooa, Farren, Dannflor

Esooa (2):

T3, northsidegal

Farren (1):

redtea

T3 (1):

Enchant

Not Voting:

flow trap, Ich Troje

Deadline:

(expired on 2021-07-29 13:00:00)

Mod Notes:

DAY WILL BE EXTENDED BY 24 HOURS TO ACCOMODATE THE REPLACEMENT

1984?

[Esooa]

i would say there are other concerns.

would it bother you if i refrained from elaborating on those for a while?

do you have nothing to say about my responses to you?

[Esooa]

385 is interesting. I want to come back to this later. There may be something Town here, depending on what happens later.

what does this mean lol

[Esooa]

385 is interesting. I want to come back to this later. There may be something Town here, depending on what happens later.

what does this mean lol

I think 385 may be a sign that I'm misreading you, but I need more information. It's not the sort of information where I can just ask a question, get an answer, and go from there, so I have to wait and see what happens.

but what information?

[Esooa]

If you are scum, I don't want to just blurt things out and give you a chance to try to manufacture anything.

Wow, I think you're just saying that to make less content, wolfy

(Disclaimer: Joke)

Hm... mildly tempted to vote North, though

whys that

[Esooa]

I feel almost uncomfortably white knighted here lol

and I'm someone who loves when people simp for me

anyways to talk more about the nsg stuff, maybe I'm just speaking from an outside perspective, not knowing nsg, but I didn't have a problem with her posts

I guess that's mostly cause, while her points were kinda weak in terms of actually being a scum read, I thought they were fine enough and they showed a pretty reasonable depth of thought

my biggest problem is that I got no response to this

i would say there are other concerns.

would it bother you if i refrained from elaborating on those for a while?

do you have nothing to say about my responses to you?

and I still have no clue what nsg thinks of my alignment at this point

I guess this kinda does get to what dann is saying though, her 'questions' irt to me don't actually seem to have been relevant, considering there's been no development after

even if they're not actually questions it feels bad to answer her problems and get.. nothing really

meh, there's valid concerns here and I do like that they're something Dann noticed, but overall I still find nsgs posts to be towny

would you say you're scum reading her rn, Dann? or is this more just something you wanted to bring up

[Esooa]

I guess the vote on her kinda answers my last question lol

I'll ask instead what you think of slots like t3 or red

[Esooa]

lmao

[Esooa]

you know that thing I said about Koba having wolfy posts but T3 being the wolf

Well at least I'm still 100% correct there's on in there, lol

[Esooa]

Ich
flow trap
Enchant
Dannflor
Farren
--- NULL
redtea
northsidegal
Esooa
T3

you have me at the bottom and your read on me is "sheeping Koba"

which is basically outing

[Esooa]

town: flow/farren

could be town: dann?

null as shit: enchant, T3

da kinda scummy zone: redtea

woa we wolfin: Esooa, NSG

someone please link some vanilla setup games for NSG if they can, preferably a mix of alignments.

And Koba's post here is really fucking dumb too cause they have me at the bottom for.. no reason?

[Esooa]

I'm trying to not be rude this game Koba, but the reason I like saying your read on me is fucking bad is because it is btw. And it's pretty fucking annoying that somehow this game your read is "esooa playing vaguely similar to the one game I played with her in 6 months"

god this reminds me of other times people use stupid af meta to wolf read me, lol

[Esooa]

actually I'm just gonna block Koba and play this game without them

oh wait I just realized putting someone on foe list doesn't block them? What does it do then

[Esooa]

Because of a lack of push on me this game d1, I've been notably different thus far than my usual towngames, why did you put me at the top?

because you're being pocketed. Get some better reads. Maybe reading glasses

[Esooa]

tbh half of this is probably because I've literally been actively trying to not be tunnely/pushy for a long time because it makes me extremely stressed at times, and I'm being wolf read off it. And also people with shit meta do need to just.. stop even attempting to make meta reads.

[Esooa]

Town!Esooa did a lot of analyzing the specific post/page in happy face and not much blanket reading. That was really the only thing that stood out.

you mean the same game I literally coasted the entirety of day 2 without doing anything?

Stop fucking using meta. This is unbelievable. It's so bad.

Also, VOTE: T3

[Esooa]

I think its weird you start getting defensive after I out my reads list with you at the bottom while I'm pushing someone else mainly rather than when I had actually pushed you with a vote.

I didn't think your read was real, almost at all. I figured it was just a RT, especially with how bad the reasons were. Now that you've said nothing to continue it but still hold the read though I don't think that anymore

[Esooa]

I think its weird you start getting defensive after I out my reads list with you at the bottom while I'm pushing someone else mainly rather than when I had actually pushed you with a vote.

I didn't think your read was real, almost at all. I figured it was just a RT, especially with how bad the reasons were. Now that you've said nothing to continue it but still hold the read though I don't think that anymore

like how're you comparing this game to a wolf game where I was in wolf chat saying "this game sucks, I want to die and I'm just gonna slank tbh"

You think that's just how I wolf every game? Really?

[Esooa]

shrug, maybe that's just how I see it cause saying my preferred way of wolfing is sitting back is just... pretty ridiculous to everyone who actually knows me

My biggest wolf tell is legitimately that I will go after the strongest towns in a lobby and perpetually PoE them, though I don't always play like that obviously it's my preferred way of wolfing

And you're here saying "I know Esooa's meta and she is quiet as a wolf"

[Esooa]

like I don't expect people to read all these at all but it's really annoying so here

https://www.mafiauniverse.com/forums/threads/31166

Town game I was very active/did a lot of analysis (was champs so obv)

https://www.mafiauniverse.com/forums/th ... ountainous

Town game I slanked all game except some random reads, pretty much @'d my top town and asked them who to vote most days

https://www.mafiauniverse.com/forums/threads/30240

wolf game I barely posted and got yeeted p early

https://www.mafiauniverse.com/forums/threads/29813

wolf game I top posted, did a ton of analysis, end gamed

Like, if you want to read me off some meta stuff fine, but reading my activity/how subdued I am is 100% not AI and it just gets annoying

[Esooa]

Esooa can you elaborate on your nsg read

sure

[Esooa]

North has said nothing scummy idk why there's a wagon on them

i think that if i were RC i would kill you for this post alone

I town read NSG pretty early for actually calling out this post. Not that important in my read now but

how well do you think you can wolf?

i'm unsure. i sort of wanted to roll scum this game because it's been quite a long time since i've played scum and i have a somewhat poor reputation for it, so i was interested in sort of testing my skills. unfortunately that did not happen.

people say a lot of different things about me and how good or bad i am at things. few, i think, are accurate.

town.

also meh, maybe i'm overthinking dannflor's play with regards to me.

Maybe. But it was pretty villagery regardless, so that's cool

glad to know.

VOTE: esooa

I think NSG's play around my slot after the fact is towny. I think it's less likely she'd see me town read her and then wolf read me, especially subtly in the way she did

flow trap it would be helpful if you would take this game a bit more seriously

also, @flow trap, what is your actual read on esooa? do you actually scumread her?

also interested to hear dann's opinion on esooa's ISO up until this point.

and her engagement with the read is good imo, these read like genuinely having the read and trying to explore it, more than for show. Especially considering if it was for show I'd expect her to put more out there on

why

she wolf reads me at this point, not trying to explore slots in relation to me

would you agree that there's something a little unbelievable about the idea that this seems to be your reaction only when prompted for reads instead of your immediate reaction to seeing that post?

would you further agree that, if you think that that is the wolfiest post in the thread, the fact that your initial reaction to what troje said about your meta was to imply that they were not up to date on it rather than to think that they were scum simply lying to push you somewhat indicates that you actually believe (or are informed) that troje is town?

and like I've said I think these posts have good depth of thought. I think one of the, more difficult reads to make as a wolf? is accusing townies of TMI--it's hard to see that when you do yourself

[Esooa]

I don't really know what to think about T3's posts recently. I have a headache and need to get ready for hanging out with a friend though so I'm not going to be thinking about it rn lol

[Esooa]

VOTE: redtea I dunno where this guy is and I want him back lol

[Esooa]

VOTE: redtea I dunno where this guy is and I want him back lol

[Esooa]

@Dann did you answer what your read on t3/red is? Also how seriously do you scum read nsg?

[Esooa]

you mean the same game I literally coasted the entirety of day 2 without doing anything?

Stop fucking using meta. This is unbelievable. It's so bad.

Nothing wrong with using meta. It's a tool like any other.

Unless you're arguing that this is a *scummy* use of meta. I don't think you are - but are you?

It's just really annoying when people try to meta me and 95% of the time it's wrong. I play differently a ton, some of it intentionally to make it harder to meta me, some of it because I'm multitabling pretty much always, etc.

[Esooa]

was that a hammer?

[Esooa]

o

would be cool to have been able to see if he comes to post more but that's fine too lol

[Esooa]

it was not and I think troje know that

this bitch

[Esooa]

(talking about koba)

(no hate tho)

[Esooa]

just ftr I'm pretty sure I've seen the occasional scum player use note PTs before? it's pretty rare and I can't remember any instances off the top of my head but i swear I've seen it at least once before

idk im not really interested in arguing it as an AI point but I would necessarily view it as clearing

although I think I am leaning redtea town anyways

I've seen bug spray? Or whoever use it

[Esooa]

I'll read some enchant games if they're linked

[Esooa]

koba what did you find towny about what red posted

[Esooa]

VOTE: t3

[Esooa]

[esooa, ich troje]
[farren, red tea?]
[nsg, t3] - null/mixed
[flow trap]
[enchant]

this is about where I am after a reread

I wanna ask about all these lol

what about myself and ich

[Esooa]

I can't go to heaven I'm an atheist

[Esooa]

WAIT U WERE SCUM IN THAT GAME IM SO DUMB LMFAO

diseased town brain

[Esooa]

kinda agree this entire argument is pretty dumb though. "Diseased town brain" is relating to ONE read koba made. Dann isn't saying they're gonna make awful reads. Kobas actually good at lylos imo anyways. But yeah the amount of things farren is just neglecting here is pretty bad

[Esooa]

I think flows pretty towny actually

[Esooa]

alr I thought they were unaligned with more of my PoE but it looks like mostly not with t3 or red, maybe not with enchant, but I actually dislike the interactions with farren from their side a lot

[Esooa]

idk why yall are harping on farren with 1 (irl) day left, and on a hell phase. Who's sending

farren

to hell day 1? no one here is who

why shouldn't we?

[Esooa]

idk why yall are harping on farren with 1 (irl) day left, and on a hell phase. Who's sending

farren

to hell day 1? no one here is who

why shouldn't we?

im not talking to you until you respond to me sorry

lmao

[Esooa]

bruh you want to say why Farren is your partner? I don't think I ever even said that so tf?

[Esooa]

okay I'm losing my mind at these psots I think I'm just tired and need to not read mafia games lol

[Esooa]

so who we helling

[Esooa]

feel like nsg has dropped off a lot

where's Dann too, idr if he even explained the reads I asked him about

[Esooa]

to be clear I don't wolf read them I just wanna hear more from them and who they're wanting to yeet atm

[Esooa]

well we have 8 hours and I'm not really wanting to read more on my own

Was rly hoping for some people to come in that I can talk to (yeah I know Farren has been but he's not who I want to talk to )

I guess wagons are fine though. 3 on t3 3 on enchant. I'm not gonna be here for EoD but you guys can figure it out

[Esooa]

sorry I haven't posted yet this day phase I've been busy

[Esooa]

I agree ichs case on farren isn't good lol

at least for the EoD stuff

he wasn't concerned with self pres that much and seemed way more concerned with telling town what to do after he dies which imo is pretty towny

[Esooa]

I wish t3 went over instead though

maybe this is me just saying this cause enchant was a town flip but I don't know why a single person is town reading t3 tbh

[Esooa]

and also, why not heaven yourself?

I don't actually think this is productive btw

wanting to "heaven yourself" is completely nai and it absolutely shouldn't be anyone's primary focus

all statements come with an assumption you will want to cause.. obviously

but yeah that's just not gonna go anywhere

[Esooa]

that being said I don't have many heaven candidates

kobas right the game is pretty dead lol

I wish nsg was here like ugh

[Esooa]

I think my first choice for heaven though would be Dan

[Esooa]

koba, do you actually think wolves day 1 would have a strong desire to bus btw?

or I guess.. do you think they did?

and what do you get from that?

[Esooa]

I agree ichs case on farren isn't good lol

at least for the EoD stuff

he wasn't concerned with self pres that much and seemed way more concerned with telling town what to do after he dies which imo is pretty towny

they're still scum regardless of the quality of my casing.

yeah I recognize that

the quoted from the scum game do seem similar to here (though that was very little, I'll probably look over that tomorrow)

but I still think farrens EoD was towny, that was the main thing I wanted to point out with saying it was wrong imo

[Esooa]

if i were wolf I would because i struggle to get towncred as scum and firmly stay in the "null zone" in people's reads.

I'm not talking about yourself--I got the impression you think it's ideal for wolves to bus day 1

I'm wondering if you think that actually is the case that they did

[Esooa]

mostly tbh I'm wondering cause I'm still not sure about you

I think what you did day 1 was a lot of stuff like... You felt really reserved in your thought processes

intentionally, when saying things like "I don't want to give my read on x person cause I want to see that others have to say"

I thought completely neglecting the fact you yourself need to project town at first but after thinking about it more I don't really understand how you got to that

I think it's kinda weird you played with an assumption you should be town read, especially with how it lines up to you pushing for yourself to be heavened

like if that's the idea why not project town by explaining more day 1?

and past that I just find it weird behavior in general ig

and then people town read you pretty confidently (iirc this is all from memory having not read for a couple days) which I don't know where those reads came from

[Esooa]

actually wasn't Dann one of the people to put you in the top of his towns?

I'm sorry if you have cause I've asked this a few times but have you explained that yet dann

[Esooa]

"I thought completely neglecting the fact you yourself need to project town at first **was towny** but after thinking about it more I don't really understand how you got to that" oops

[Esooa]

i dont understand what u mean

lol sorry I'm phone posting from bed

basically

alright I just stopped caring so nevermind LMAO

[Esooa]

I thought of trying to explain that all again while typing on a phone and went nah

maybe later

[Esooa]

isn't enchant dead

[Esooa]

also rip nsg I liked her

also what do you mean I didn't vote a wagon day 1 I'm pretty sure I was on t3

still want him dead btw

[Esooa]

if I had had the time for it, i might've seen if others could be convinced to vote flow trap.

OMWUS :3

Idk if I even said my SR on you though

aw man

also rip nsg I liked her

also what do you mean I didn't vote a wagon day 1 I'm pretty sure I was on t3

still want him dead btw

same and same
is dann still your primary heaven candidate?
any others?

I thought NSG was towny and the person who subbed into that slot is towny so far so her

I don't really know why Koba just feels like the default here

[Esooa]

VOTE: Morning Tweet

[Esooa]

well my only apprehension about heavening MT is that I want them in the game

That's pretty much all I've got for this day phase

[Esooa]

it sucks having to basically carry out the same function as night killing your top town lol

there's no night kills so you just have to do it yourself

fucked up

[Esooa]

don't think we've played

[Esooa]

I've played with t3 before and I didn't struggle to find them in any way at all. They were my town core day 1 both games. They can give reads as town, and I haven't seen that this game

[Esooa]

oh yeah this is a thing

[Esooa]

I'm gonna play some vidya then I'll solve the game

[Esooa]

update to solving the game

I'm drunk

more tomorrow

[Esooa]

oh hey, sorry I left I always forgot about MS games I think they're too slow for me

[Esooa]

I'm skimming but I saw Dann just said not to touch me

Thanks king love u

[Esooa]

MT where are u at in reads

[Esooa]

there's 3 wolves in 7 people so I expect to pretty easily be able to make team reads too btw, that's what I intend to do when I read ISO's to solve

[Esooa]

3 wolves 3 town that isn't me

MT towny

I kinda am sheeping town reads on flow, they make sense, I need to make sure of this too though

I already only have one more town? Damn. Not sure for this one

I'm pretty sure T3 is a wolf considering these things though, probably always going there today

Redtea/Dann/Farren has 2 wolves assuming my clears are correct then

I don't think I'm gonna change my MT read but could see the Flow one being wrong

Regardless though, that grouping having 2 wolves feels reasonable to me

[Esooa]

MT where are u at in reads

Scum is in T3/Dann/Esooa/flow, emphasis on T3 and less on flow

why not red

[Esooa]

MT what're your thoughts on flow

[Esooa]

Esooa what makes you think I'm surely town?

the way u post

[Esooa]

really though u just did a lot of good catch up posting, primarily centered around world building which is harder to do as a wolf, and shrug I like ur posts

NSG was already towny regardless

[Esooa]

ggs, my team played well. Sorry if I wasn't very useful, I can't really wolf on MS lol I always just can't be assed to post after a bit