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[Titus]

Bbl usually busy Saturdays

[Titus]

My biggest ingredient is moon salt.

[Titus]

My ingredients are sugar and spice, and everything nice.

We can't have nice things.

VOTE: NorwegianboyEE

[Titus]

My ingredients are sugar and spice, and everything nice.

We can't have nice things.

VOTE: NorwegianboyEE

why are you making an rvs vote at this point?

Mechanics talk doesn't break us out of RVS.

[Titus]

what about the back and forth between me and The Emperor? mechanics talk isn't the only thing that has been happening. it was only a piece for a little bit.

I didn't care.

[Titus]

Emperor, how's the wagon sale going? Any sales I should know about?

VOTE: TLDNE

REASONS!

[Titus]

Mod: Can we get prods on the players who have yet to post.

[Titus]

I'm down to vote any of cass, mastina and Fairy Circle. In fact,

VOTE: Fairy Circle

The mod explicitly announces this hydra sub and still no posts.

[Titus]

Fairy Circle needs votes.

[Titus]

titus, do you have an opinion on anything that's happened so far?

-D

Most everyone posting is town. Minor reservations on Dwlee and Emperor. I think Mom subbing in for a hydra and neither head posting is scummy.

[Titus]

The hydra needs votes.

[Titus]

Even if they weren't, im pretty sure im not letting datisi go for tooo long.

someone's still traumatized?

-D

What's this baggage?

[Titus]

Titus, do you wanna go into why you had reservations wrt Dwlee and I?

He's done nothing but sheep my lurkers need to die post. Then he immediately started lurking.

[Titus]

Need today off all games. Mental health.

[Titus]

That was why Bingle's 105 bothered me, there was clearly an idea here of how to play around pain potion usage but he left it as an unfinished shower thought and moved on without exploring it any further. It had a hint of possibly not wanting to go too in-depth because he knows it's more favorable for scum if he doesn't outline a real strategy and lets people do dumb things and fling around pain potions wildly.

Making a mental note to check 105.

[Titus]

No

@norwee

I will be shooting who I want to

Continued FoS on this. He's clearly reading up but somehow not responding to our requests for more content.

[Titus]

2 names for people to shoot at.

These names should be leashed. First five can shoot at one, second five can shoot at the other. Additional benefit of mafia risking having to justify why they didn’t shoot.

I like the leash plan but I don't like specific people to leash.

1) It stops town from shooting at their bigger suspect.

2) We still get the justification for not shooting from two player pool.

3) It prolongs the day to the point apathy may set in.

4) It allows a mafia jail keeper or similar to visit their buddy and claim they shot them easier.

[Titus]

VOTE: Titus

Current strongest suspects are Titus + Limit, but Datisi thought S_S was pinging townie (I didn't see it personally, think they've been quite lacking overall).

I know I just mentioned vaguely suspecting Bingle but he'd be a vaguely distant third suspect I don't feel great about. Maybe I'm just prone to feeling recency bias because he's here and saying things right now. Need to hear more from ta vera, cass.bruant slot needs to exist in the game in some way.

-R

Hmph, noting this seems out of left field and happens to come when I am away.

[Titus]

Spoiler:

votey 1.0.04.01.0 !

Bingle (4):

mastina, The Emperor, Dwlee99, NorwegianboyEE

The Emperor (1):

ta vera

ta vera (1):

Bingle

Fairy Circle (1):

Titus

Titus (1):

Green Cap Boys

not voting (3):

The Limit Does Not Exist, T3, Fairy Circle

with 11 alive, it takes 6 to cause someone to Wet. day 1 ends in (expired on 2021-08-17 12:30:00)

modorator notes

• Schweppes

I didn't realize/forgot how big the Bingle wagon was here or that Dwlee was sheeping it.

Another FoS Dwlee.

[Titus]

It's not about killing the names we choose it's about potentially *conftowning* anyone who does shoot at those names.

How does this happen?

[Titus]

That I can see in the limited information I have, we cannot even biasconf people here.

We have a limited supply of pain pots, and you're suggesting dumping them into 2 players. Thats what it reads as to me.

Not only that, we're dealing with random distribution of pain pots and it's entirely possible that there are people with no pots and multiple pots, as well as people holding more than 3 pots as you've already highlighted.

The only way this game can be optimised is with a full massclaim, which is frankly stupid and is something I can't do anyway at the moment.

-Malefleacent

I like this post. It highlights and reminds me of one other problem. Namely that it supposes we're in control of the day thread. If we aren't, then we lose most likely. It would go to 6 v 3. If scum shoot outside together, that's 5 v 3. Eylo.

We flip a scum there. They combine their shots. 3 v 2.

Then we tie if we miss but its likely melo due to lack of pain potions.

The above doesn't factor town pain potions N1 or Harmography potions.

[Titus]

If a third player dies at night, we KNOW two scum targeted that player with pain pots and thus that at most one scum targeted the designated targets.

This is correct but scum have a move to weaken this which I won't say unless I am outvoted and live until tomorrow as scum would just do my plan.

[Titus]

Honestly, bias and a hint of gut. Like I said I'm going to talk to Momcinda and see where we stand between us.

-Malefleacent

I'm a bit biased but this doesn't feel like a whiteknight as it would persuade no one. It could be scum angling to be right in case I flip scum, but I just don't feel it to be true. Limiting the elimination pool when heavily FoSed isn't smart. I'll reserve final judgment though until read through is done.

[Titus]

A...Anyway.
I think we should do the foolproof strategy of kill all hydras. But let's start with the scummy ones since Datisi hydra is a good boy.

VOTE: Fairy Circle

Kinda feel like EE and Mom hydra are opposite alignments.

[Titus]

in case I flip scum

What

Context, if I kill the scum.

[Titus]

I've traveled here from the future to inform you that 8 is not a townslip.

-S

Both heads apear to be here but are just doing nothing.

Like this post.

[Titus]

It is the only ingredient you have correct?

Aye.

Still scumclaiming.

Mastina whats going on, why the low confidence in reads

Oh, I do have one confident read--Bingle is scum here, guaranteed. I'm not exaggerating my read there or overblowing it.

But the low confidence in my non-Bingle reads is because I am struggling to form reads aside from a Bingle scumread. I wish I could do better because usually my townhunting is much much stronger than my scumhunting but at least I DO have a consolation prize in the form of a strong scumread on Bingle.

This hot take feels like mastina town. I don't expect scum to push something when people are arguing he's town.

[Titus]

If the answer you come up with is "none of them", then Why does a wagon at L-2 with three scum in the game have no scum in it?

Agreed.

[Titus]

I'm down to vote any of cass, mastina and Fairy Circle. In fact,

VOTE: Fairy Circle

The mod explicitly announces this hydra sub and still no posts.

VOTE: Titus
For obvious reasons.

The reason for this vote is far from obvious.

[Titus]

Does Flea The Magician have an alignment preference?

I don't remember this but I imagine the hydra doesn't like scum collectively.

I don't want to eliminate them on D1 even if they're scum tho. <3

I would recommend reading post 1 before you continue claiming that bingle has scumclaimed.

I have read it and I still think that Bingle is scumclaiming for a very specific reason that I shall not elaborate on until Bingle elaborates on the details of his role PM.

That said even if he didn't scumclaim I'd be voting him here anyway because I legit think that Bingle's just scum here.

I'm leaning town on Bingle but it's probably best if I sheep and not make you elaborate. VOTE: Bingle

Why? It's not like mastina's a PR, so why vote a townread?

[Titus]

I will be shooting who I want to

This is >rand town, unfortunately, but does dovetail nicely with the inclination I had toward "bored town".

-R

I'll go back to this

I don't think that is >rand town, given a player like Dwlee is probably very aware that controversially going against consensus mech can be seen as towny. I don't like that they don't choose to comment on anything about the plan or anything else in the post, so it could be aiming to give that impression

This is the first post that stood out from Emperor. I like this one as it matches how I feel.

[Titus]

I finished my catchup and shall declare a townbloc: T3, Norwee, Emp, GCB
maybe Bingle and maybe mastina, will metadive mastina soon.

Interesting. I think T3 might be scum with Dwlee here and one from his list. I feel mastina is town. My gut says Norway but that's weak.

[Titus]

mastina still hasn't explained why bingle scumclaimed even after multiple people have asked so that's what I'm assuming it is, and it's a bullshit reason.

mastina's reasoning is pretty clear. By claiming no potions, Bingle is free to shoot who he wants. I'm not sure I agree but it feels like town mastina.

[Titus]

Scum are Fairy Circle, Titus, Ta Vera?

These are easy reads. There's no conflict here. I don't see any pushback or disagreement either.

[Titus]

They need the pressure.

What does pressuring an empty slot do? You are trying to force a scumread here. If you have a reason to FoS an empty slot and the game is not going, that's one thing. Here there's content.

[Titus]

I’m kinda townreading Dwlee just for being so different to his scumgame with hardly trying to appear town at all)

This is not the Dwlee I recently experienced.

[Titus]

At the end of page 22, I like Norway and Dwlee as partners.

[Titus]

I'm thinking Fairy/Titus/ta vera and maybe TLDOE or Dwlee.
Bingle/mastina are towny.
Emp, Norwee, GCB are town.

This screams rule of 3. Norway Dwlee T3 hero solve.

[Titus]

Also we’ve seen a LOT of Flea and very little of Momrangal. So i’m not saying it’s impossible for town!you to disagree on a read on me. But it’s all based on the words of purely Flea that you two supposedly disagree so it’s difficult to verify the truth of these statements and see if it’s actually genuine.

This is a RL based FoS. Not a fan. It suggests that Norway cannot read genuiness off one head (totally possible) and is looking for things to attack instead.

[Titus]

still not loving the s_s/lilith hydra, lilith's jump on page 22 in feels like scum annoyed that they're being pushed. and would love to see more Actual content from s_s.

I agree here, which is why I hope they post more. It's a problem with my solve.

[Titus]

As of page 14 I've disagreed with all of Fairy's reads. .-.

Hmm I think I can see T3 town. This doesn't feel like Guardians!T3.

-S

Random post quoted here but it's possible I mistook absence IRL as avoiding.

[Titus]

would love to see more Actual content from s_s

ha.

Your best shot at this is asking me pointed questions about specific posts/interactions, I guess?

-S

What do you think of my hero solve?

[Titus]

I also wasn’t voting Flea at the time i made the post that they reacted too.
This feels like an extreme overreaction, whether townie or scummy is beyond my ability to analyze in this instance.

Why?

[Titus]

Like this post.

Why? It wasn't even accurate.

-S

I thought it was at the time. I retracted once I caught up.

[Titus]

Also we’ve seen a LOT of Flea and very little of Momrangal. So i’m not saying it’s impossible for town!you to disagree on a read on me. But it’s all based on the words of purely Flea that you two supposedly disagree so it’s difficult to verify the truth of these statements and see if it’s actually genuine.

This is a RL based FoS. Not a fan. It suggests that Norway cannot read genuiness off one head (totally possible) and is looking for things to attack instead.

It’s not.
You’re characterizing my explanation for why it’s hard to verify the veracity of their claim as an FOS.
Which is yucky.

Are you not going to engage my hero solve? No reaction?

You are shading them. It's semantics to argue whether it's a FoS.

[Titus]

VOTE: NorwegianboyEE

Largely symbolic as I'll vote any of the three in my solve.

[Titus]

Are you not going to engage my hero solve? No reaction?

It’s bad?
What more did you expect?

Do you disagree with one read? Both? Aren't you curious as to why? If you don't understand, why not ask why? If you do understand, why not correct it?

Are you saying my solve is wrong or scummy or both? Why?

There's a lot to engage. You aren't engaging.

[Titus]

@S,

Do you disagree with any of my reads? If so, why?

[Titus]

VOTE: Titus
I townread your entire hero solve and the third one is me. Picking three names and none of them being scum is what I think happened here, and I think that is scum!indicative for Titus.

That's absolutely not true. I told the town to go after the "neighbors" one of whom was my partner.

[Titus]

There's a lot to engage. You aren't engaging.

Yeah i'm fucking tired.

At first you argue that I shouldn't expect more from you. Now you're tired. :/ Why not say you're tired at the first place?

[Titus]

VOTE: Titus
I townread your entire hero solve and the third one is me. Picking three names and none of them being scum is what I think happened here, and I think that is scum!indicative for Titus.

That's absolutely not true. I told the town to go after the "neighbors" one of whom was my partner.

I didn't say you don't bus, I said that picking three names and none of them being evil (which I think is the case here) makes you much more likely to be evil. Why do you immediately go to bussing?

I thought you were making a meta argument.

[Titus]

@Dwlee99 Why are NorwegianboyEE and T3 town?

[Titus]

Norwee is correctly reading me when if he was scum I think he could have pushed me, T3 seems "sorty" this game.

This is vague. Why is NorwegianboyEE "correctly" reading you as town suggest he's town? Why aren't you paranoid of a whiteknight?

Why does T3 seem "sorty"? What posts suggest this?

[Titus]

I've decided upon return that if you read t3 ISO you will understand what I mean by sorty.

Vague statements aren't good enough given you have virtually no content until now. How did you form this read? Hoping we fill in blanks after you suggest an answer is no bueno.

[Titus]

Which ones? When?

It feels like Norway froze at my hero solve and Dwlee panicked. He drops his whole not caring persona after my solve and has given vague crap.

I'm going to check S's comment. I'm actively seeking evidence I am wrong to prevent tunneling.

[Titus]

As of page 14 I've disagreed with all of Fairy's reads. .-.

Hmm I think I can see T3 town. This doesn't feel like Guardians!T3.

-S

I can't really discuss this without knowing what you mean by guardians. Meta is crap. From my experience, T3 is more lighthearted as town. I feel I can meta him well, it just has little value.

[Titus]

I've decided upon return that if you read t3 ISO you will understand what I mean by sorty.

Vague statements aren't good enough given you have virtually no content until now. How did you form this read? Hoping we fill in blanks after you suggest an answer is no bueno.

Why do you have an issue with dwlee here (which I think is a valid concern and am fine with the line of questioning) but you have no issue with mastina being entirely opaque about her scumread on bingle?

mastina still hasn't explained why bingle scumclaimed even after multiple people have asked so that's what I'm assuming it is, and it's a bullshit reason.

mastina's reasoning is pretty clear. By claiming no potions, Bingle is free to shoot who he wants. I'm not sure I agree but it feels like town mastina.

her reasoning wasn’t clear to me and in fact she has refused to elaborate even after multiple people asked. do you have a post where you saw her say this?

are you saying that anyone who claims to have no potions must be scum? how is claiming no potions a scumclaim?

- lilith

I'm saying mastina feels the no potion claim comes from scum. I obviously disagree as Bingle is not in my solve.

[Titus]

What do you make of T3 individually? I actually think T3 has been fairly town this game. He has a similar presence to the draft game and his conclusions pretty closely match mine. I get that you think he has bad associations with NorDwlee, but is there anything about his individual play you're scumreading?

Disagree. T3 has been hyper serious which is more equal to his scum game than his town game. Compare Situation Room versus Not Quite Normal Multiball.

Most of the conclusions are similar from slot to slot as the game is largely townreading the same block (GCB, Emperor, you, mastina) Midtier (TLDNE, Fairy) and then lurkers/PoE pool.

Each player might add or remove one name or add one name but this is largely consensus. Agreement is not a reason to TR a slot.

[Titus]

The above is for S too with the disclaimer that I haven't reviewed Guardians.

[Titus]

@mod the VC was wrong in that I'm not voting for Titus but now it's right so I guess don't change it?

Fuck this noise. Mod please ensure accurate VCs. No players should advocate for inaccurate VCs. The whole point is they are accurate.

[Titus]

What do you make of T3 individually? I actually think T3 has been fairly town this game. He has a similar presence to the draft game and his conclusions pretty closely match mine. I get that you think he has bad associations with NorDwlee, but is there anything about his individual play you're scumreading?

Disagree. T3 has been hyper serious which is more equal to his scum game than his town game. Compare Situation Room versus Not Quite Normal Multiball.

Most of the conclusions are similar from slot to slot as the game is largely townreading the same block (GCB, Emperor, you, mastina) Midtier (TLDNE, Fairy) and then lurkers/PoE pool.

Each player might add or remove one name or add one name but this is largely consensus. Agreement is not a reason to TR a slot.

Not Quite Normal multiball was an extreme where I joked around and then replaced out. Also, this game was a replace-in [no time for RVS]

You also joked in Deco, or was that "an extreme" too?

[Titus]

Disagree. T3 has been hyper serious which is more equal to his scum game than his town game. Compare Situation Room versus Not Quite Normal Multiball.

T3 was a similar level of serious in both Open Draft and Townstumps to here, both of which you were in and were more recent than NQNMulti. Both are also a better simulation of this game, being, you know, not multiball.

SRoom is the scum game I'm comparing my T3 baseline to, and he was both less active and didn't leave me with townfeels. His play was kinda just meh.

It's not impossible T3 is scum, but he's definitely not my choice of elimination AORN.

It's ok if T3 isn't the top choice. Order doesn't matter. We can only eliminate one scum. Once we do, scum will be in one hell of a catch 22.

[Titus]

I also feel T3's attempt to fuck up the VCs was scummy as hell.

[Titus]

I also feel T3's attempt to fuck up the VCs was scummy as hell.

You're reading way too deep into that.

So you're claiming you're just inconsiderate. That's not 100% automatically scum. You know full well I use VCA and that's a method of resetting bad reads. The fact you wanted altered data that would show your vote as elsewhere is scummy. Your reaction here also treats me as if I am town.

Counterpoint: The VCA could clear him is town. T3 would want the VCA then.

Counterpoint of Counterpoint: T3 would not want the VCA as scum.

Neutral: T3 may legit think VCA sucks. This would be town T3.

[Titus]

I'd consider Titus town but they made me really mad with their shitty shade yesterday.

Being mad is not a reason to scumread me. It looked like you just froze in the light of my hero solve.

Do you feel both Dwlee and T3 are town?

[Titus]

I don't really care about your solve. Sure Dwlee could be scum, whatever. But you are voting me.

Would your hero solve change if you knew i was town?

'
As in do you think all those slots are scummy or do you just see that all of them have the perfect associations and thus make perfect sense as the exact scum team?

The bolded is a duh question. If any one of you is town, then you're out of my solve and I'd have to recheck my work.

I think all three of you are scummy. Associations didn't really happen until how you reacted to my solve. Most people either a) shrug it off or b) explain their reads.

Instead, you froze. Dwlee dropped his happy go lucky demeanor (words not quite right but there was a tonal shift towards aggression). T3 immediately voted me and wanted to create the impression his vote was on me sooner. Together, this creates the impression of a panicked scumteam.

[Titus]

And where tf is Cyrus.

Cyrus isn't in the playerlist?

As for my vote being on you, I said before my vote isn't fixed on you but rather is on the largest wagon in my solve.

[Titus]

Dwlee dropped his happy go lucky demeanor (words not quite right but there was a tonal shift towards aggression).

Nope

Yes. I just checked your ISO. There's no content (you admitted this) prior to my FoS on you. Your biggest non-RVS vote was on a lurker. Then, you're suddenly after me when I propose my hero solve in a long, delayed OMGUS.

[Titus]

Instead, you froze.

Ok. So let me get this clear. Yesterday i woke up after insomnia for the better part of the night and went early to work. I then finished work and went home, really tired from a long day. Then i went shopping for food because i had none, then i had to give an long online interview for an job i'm applying for. Then i realized i had to go out again and ride the bus to the other side of town to buy electrical equipment. Then i spent the entire rest of the evening setting that up. And then i felt tired as fuck sporadically posting on MS which is when you post this absolutely brainless completely dumb fucking point that i "froze" because of your solve and it was quite frankly an incredibly infuriating and annoying thing to read. And you keep hammering this point home as if it's allignment indicative at all when i just didn't have neither the willpower nor the clear mind to deal with that sort of crap yesterday and neither do i now. So please, shut the fuck up about this "Hurr Norwee FROZEE!!!!"" thing.

If you want me to believe you didn't freeze (which is possible), then I'll need more than AtE but a nuanced discussion of Dwlee and T3.

I'm sympathetic because I have had IRL myself. The first I am hearing of this statement is after I accused you of freezing. I've been looking actively for reasons to be wrong, because I do tunnel from time to time.

I don't believe you're lying about the immense pressure of your IRL. It could be the IRL pressure + a correct solve caused you to back off.

Take a look at it from my perspective. You post a solve suggesting a scumteam. One of the players can't engage it and vanishes from the thread. Wouldn't you be suspicious?

I know there's a decent chance my RL will change in late October/November. I'll know today.

I hope you have good luck on your interview.

As a show of good faith...

VOTE: Dwlee

[Titus]

VOTE: Titus
I townread your entire hero solve and the third one is me. Picking three names and none of them being scum is what I think happened here, and I think that is scum!indicative for Titus.

This answers one of my questions so fair enough. What makes the other two wrong in Titus' solve?

I explained this already

No you didn't. You gave vague responses and told us to go fish.

[Titus]

Dwlee dropped his happy go lucky demeanor (words not quite right but there was a tonal shift towards aggression).

Nope

Yes. I just checked your ISO. There's no content (you admitted this) prior to my FoS on you. Your biggest non-RVS vote was on a lurker. Then, you're suddenly after me when I propose my hero solve in a long, delayed OMGUS.

That's not a tonal shift.

Absolutely it is. From going after no one hard, to coming after me, is a tonal shift.

You still aren't scumhunting. Vague assertions with no attempts to sort are not scumhunting.

[Titus]

I don't have super detailed wall reads

You have no details at all.

T3 is sorty and check his ISO and you'll see it is not scumhunting.

[Titus]

Alright, in response i'll UNVOTE: . Since you using that point against me was the biggest reason for my vote on you.

Dwlee dropped his happy go lucky demeanor (words not quite right but there was a tonal shift towards aggression).

I'll take a look at this first of all.

Combine it with 766. Those are better words.

[Titus]

I'm scum hunting you Titus

Pushing for my elimination =/= scumhunting. You aren't doing anything to sort my alignment. You aren't using my posts to hunt for my partners. You have no questions to anyone.

You are sitting and claiming my push on you is wrong, and therefore scum. That's not hunting. That's literally the definition of OMGUS.

[Titus]

You aren't looking to see who is defending me and analyzing if it's in good or bad faith. You aren't responding to the TRs on me.

Your first comments on hypothetical partners only came after I pushed you and are superficial.

You don't analyze whether me v NorwegianboyEE and T3 could be staged. You still are not anslyzing who could be my partners. You're just trying to pass as town and only answering when I tell you what to say.

[Titus]

Cmon answer Dwlee. Which of the TRs on me are real? Which are fake? Why?

Put in some content.

[Titus]

I was on the fence about committing to defending Titus tbh but after jumping around a bit I'm on board with town in Titus, norwee.

Maybe gcb and maybe emperor.

Bingle is in a weird place I can't visit.

SS is my best fos and Mastina doesn't FEEL town halfway through the day but that's vague and floaty.

Also by virtue of weak engagement from dwlee on their wagon stance AND my opinion that the Titus wagon is built on quicksand dwlee can be on the bottom pile with SS for now.

Could you elaborate on Bingle and Titus? I haven't really felt strongly either way on Bingle, but I do quite like Titus thus far.

-Malefleacent

...why do you like

Titus

?

I admit I have slight bias, it's part of why I wish to talk to Momcinda about reads.

Could you elaborate on Bingle and Titus? I haven't really felt strongly either way on Bingle, but I do quite like Titus thus far.

-Malefleacent

No i don’t want to elaborate on Bingle yet.
Titus, just really meh so far.
Also what do you make of them saying you need votes? They don’t seem to underline much of any of their votes so far with much reasoning.

That's standard Titus.

So, anyway, my thoughts on the acceptable strategy for Pain potion usage is that we should have a vig pool of at most 2 names for people to shoot at.

This has the benefit of:

1. Concentrating town's firepower such that it's actually possible to flip a suspect. It doesn't matter if scum chooses to shoot there because it's on town, it's still a town-directed kill and is clearing out someone who otherwise would have been an elimination candidate.
2. It makes it scarier for scum to shoot in people outside the pool - in addition to the possibility of having a shot blocked by a doctor/jailkeeper potion, any result from a harmography potion is a hard guilty - they cannot get away with an excuse of "Oh I used my pain on [insert obvtown player here] because I scumread them"

If people want no vig shots at all, I think that's also an acceptable strategy, I just flat-out Do Not Want people shooting on a whim because that is likely to end badly and affords scum too much in the way of wiggle room

-R

Absolutely not.
We give scum free kills with a pool, and honestly trying to control town's shots is never going to end well.

Maths is not my strong suit. Neither is English apparently.

Mafia are aware of who to target, their pool is 8, I will not discuss scum tactics here.
Each one of us are only aware of ourselves. Our pool is 10.

2 people need to successfully target any one person to obtain a kill.

Town still has 1-in-10 (2:20) of hitting that kill in a single night. Over two nights it's a lot greater chance of hitting the kill and cannot be estimated without long calculations which frankly I do not have the time nor patience for.

I suspect there will be as much town invoked death as scum invoked. Greatest difficulty in this game is that NKA cannot feasibly happen.

-Malefleacent.

Not only is this math completely wrong, it’s also completely irrelevant.

We need to either mass holster like we should have done in Ygg or turn the pain potions mechanic into additional eliminations, like we did after morph was confirmed.

I said it wasn't my strong point, and this isn't Ygg. The only similarity is HP and chip potential. Everyones got 2HP and we don't get updates beyond that.
Dwlee has already said they're not following this tactic. (I see in my PEdit a possible agreement for pool shots)
No matter how perfect your strategy is, you will have the human element to battle against.

2 names for people to shoot at.

These names should be leashed. First five can shoot at one, second five can shoot at the other. Additional benefit of mafia risking having to justify why they didn’t shoot.

And this is an absolutely waste of any power town has, and I know you're not stupid enough to suggest this legitmately.

[Titus]

Now you have townreads to engage. Fairy Circle's was after I FoSed them. RCE was after my hero solve.

There are other implied townreads, but I'll be fair and say that those don't count.

[Titus]

Oh right flea had a meta town read on you. I don't think that's scum defending you. Rc didn't give reasons so idk. He has to think about what I said with your solve

Why would what RCE's read depend on their response to you? Can you read them outside of their comment on me?

Why is Flea not defending me as scum? The meta read was undefined.

[Titus]

Where are your questions to me to see who my alleged partners are or to try and see if your read is wrong? Where is anything but aggressive defense?

[Titus]

I don't think the defense of you is scummy, why would it be? Cause it's undefined?

Pedit: I'm not active enough to do what you're saying I should be doing

You seem pretty active now. It also doesn't take much to ask a single question.

[Titus]

And he's gone.

[Titus]

I am going to have real life changes in availability due to starting a very long jury trial starting in late October. It should last through November. I have a lot to do to prepare for it. I don’t think it will be VLA status just more skimming style.

[Titus]

This argument here is why meta is shit ladies and gentlemen and people.

Dwlee is trying to paint this game as equivalent to another game, when the situation is hardly similar. It's not even clear exactly what point Dwlee is trying to make beyond "its possible" that I could be scum.

899 is particularly baffling. It's an accurate thing of what scum do (they want to kill town and save scum) but it says nothing about why or how that's relevant here. The most generous thing I can think of is that Titus pushed town as scum so pushing my townreads makes Titus scum. This argument would mean anyone pushing his townreads is scummy. That's not an argument most town push. It's an argument of someone trying to keep a read in the pool.

There's no intent from Dwlee to sort why I feel the way I do. There's no attempt to engage NorwegianboyEE here. It's about attacking NorwegianboyEE's conclusion.

Dwlee is hearing but not listening. He's reading to reply. He's looking for little cues as to what to say.

Dwlee has yet to put out a substantial reason for any of his reads. The read on me is debatable (wrong and forced are technically reasons).

He's not asking about other thoughts in the thread. You wouldn't even know half the game is here by his ISO.

He complains he's not active enough to ask questions and scumhunt.

So what the fuck is he still doing here?

[Titus]

As for you Bingle, I saw your tag on me RE: Mech thoughts. Too much for me to break down.

However, any mech plan has to consider if scum stack pain potions or disperse or hold. The scumteam could decide any of them based on the game state.

[Titus]

Dwlee, I was busy. Tomorrow I still intend to avoid the thread like I did today. I am deliberately giving you space to see if you can be curious or sort anyone. I didn't see it today in your posting but you did do marginally more than whine about me (you still did that some though). Given I got something closer towards scumhunting, I do want to give you space. My read on you hasn't changed because you aren't hunting. I'm giving it the opportunity to change. I can't do it long though because the deadline. If you're town please give me something. I am not looking for a wall. I just want to see some curiousity somewhere.

[Titus]

VOTE: T3

I feel that Fairy is getting run up solely for defending me and I don't like it.

[Titus]

I stand behind my solve.

[Titus]

The three of them are locktowning each other based on spacious reasoning. They don't interact organically.

[Titus]

The three of them are locktowning each other based on spacious reasoning. They don't interact organically.

[citation needed]

-Retti

For example,

NorwegianboyEE: The three of us aren't locktowning each other.
Also NorwegianboyEE: My PoE includes none of them. Titus is there though.

T3: We aren't hard defending each other.
Also T3: Puts me as lock scum for my reads.

Previously,

NorwegianboyEE: Dwlee, your read on Titus has no reason just tunneling.
Dwlee: So what?
NorwegianboyEE: That's ok you'll see Titus as town.

Later:

NoweiganboyEE: It's Titus and Fairy Circle.

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This is scum trying to chain us and/or vig me.

[Titus]

I'll possibly take a look at this tonight. Ngl feeling real apathetic right now. Usually when I have a solve, people at least engage fairly. The closest I feel I got, besides TLDNE and meta, was GCB and I feel like that came from a place of wanting to prove me wrong/scummy. There's a lot of generic resistance with nothing specific.

The main option is someone who I townread and half townreads me.

At this point, I just feel we lose.

I have a lot of work to do today too.

[Titus]

Can you give me the tl;dr?

-S

Titus blatantly lied twice, claiming me/Norwee/Dwlee were locktowning each other and then claimed people were pushing Fairy for defending me.

That's not a lie and you know it.

[Titus]

Scum me is much more careful with my vote, whoteknights, and pushes a Copacabana

Self meta defense, which is selective and wrong. I am very good at spotting town T3 and will go to the ends of the earth for it. This isn't town T3.

[Titus]

Can you give me the tl;dr?

-S

Are you asking for the Titus case? I don't think she believes what she is saying so she is evil

This started right after my hero solve. He had zero content before that. He started to provide some after I left the thread, but it was sparse and reasonless. He had one bs conversation with NorwegianboyEE.

[Titus]

as in the post, not the section.

I genuinely want T3 gone so much rn.

-F

This reminds me. If I have time, I'll go back and quote specfic posts. I hate formatting.

Off to work.

[Titus]

Can you give me the tl;dr?

-S

Titus blatantly lied twice, claiming me/Norwee/Dwlee were locktowning each other and then claimed people were pushing Fairy for defending me.

That's not a lie and you know it.

VOTE: T3

I feel that Fairy is getting run up solely for defending me and I don't like it.

This.

That is not a lie. If Fairy said I was bad/scum, people would view their townslip as genuine.

[Titus]

Ngl feeling real apathetic right now.

Yeah you screwed up real bad with that: "Dwlee/T3/Norwee are locktowning each other" line.
Let it stand for the record that scum!Titus was caught today. And that line sealed their fate.

You are locktowning each other. You reacted poorly to being caught. All three of you were the only votes on me at one point.

Let it be known that I was right before you we lose this imbalanced setup.

Seriously 8 to 3 with likely no investigatives.

[Titus]

We should decide on what to do tonight and get a shot pool

Personal opinion is it should be in Titus/Limit, if Titus gets flipped here and is red then Limit/RCE. If green...I don't know.

-R

How about if green you listen to me and look at the composition of my wagon? It's mostly my scumreads making a show of voting me.

[Titus]

On average scum will only have 1 Jailkeeper and 1 Doctor between them.

T3 is literally announcing what his team has.

[Titus]

What if everyone claims their pain potions and we all shoot in the PoE such that they all die tonight?

... no.

-F

You mean you set up for your team to win?

[Titus]

I'll claim. Hypo and 2 pain potions.

[Titus]

T3 feeling very town here though. Would not vig.

Then just eliminate me then. If we are going to lose, I'd rather work.

[Titus]

I have a murder trial in November so I'd like to play games we have a chance of winning.

This one we miselinate twice and we lose.

[Titus]

Welp, we lose. I was town. Town has a 100% loss rate when eliminating me. Good luck. We're going to need it.

[Titus]

100% loss rate? Well GG. Just end the game then Schadd. Clearly scum won. It’s pointless to move on.

I agree but the town should try. The odds are impossible though, particularly when no one SRs you.

[Titus]

100% loss rate? Well GG. Just end the game then Schadd. Clearly scum won. It’s pointless to move on.

I agree but the town should try. The odds are impossible though, particularly when no one SRs you.

Yes I completely agree. Norwee will deepwolf and we win!

Now you're just taunting me.

[Titus]

100% loss rate? Well GG. Just end the game then Schadd. Clearly scum won. It’s pointless to move on.

I agree but the town should try. The odds are impossible though, particularly when no one SRs you.

Yes I completely agree. Norwee will deepwolf and we win!

Now you're just taunting me.

If you're town then maybe next time don't say I'm locktowning Dwlee when I'm not?

You never once voted Dwlee and chainsawed for him instead.

[Titus]

Yea idk if you're town I think you made a lot of mistakes completely misrepresenting what was happening in the thread.

Oh wow like this isn't expected. Another scum denying reality

[Titus]

You should seriously reread if you think what you said happened is what did

I don't have time to reread to come to the same conclusion.

[Titus]

I was right on T3.