Micro 1029: 8-Ball (but with Wolves) Game Over

[House]

Shame on Ali voting Wisdom.

Unvoting on principle.

UNVOTE:

I have not been following this game, so I'm a blank slate & have only one answer to give at this point.

[House]

Wait, no elimination d1 AND no night kill n1?

What blasphemy is this?!

[House]

tipsyHiraki here - gonna avoid RVS all around baby

no smiley with glasses huh? bullshit man, bullshit

If everyone avoids RVS we'd never get past RVS therefore avoiding RVS is anti-town, by the principles of Kantian universality.

Also keeping up the fiction that RVS is useful is what makes society work, like believing money and Pokemon cards have value.

VOTE: Hiraki for disrespecting Immanuel Kant and Pikachu

Whilst I love the post on a personal level, them's a lot of words to state a commonly held stance.

Ping here.

Wait, none of that applies. I finally got around to reading the last half of the sentence directly above the vote. Fucking town.

[House]

Extrapolating from that, the thought of "X is likely not the 8 ball because they're not being pushed when there's a modicum of interest" isn't one I think is as likely from scum who would I think will be more self conscious about what pushing the eightball looks like.

I guess I should actually read the OP. I figured the reference to 8-Ball in the title was nothing more than flavor.

Bleh. Makes ketchup longer.

[House]

Oh great. So at Ali was heavily suspected on d1 this slot was probably chosen to be the 8-ball for d2, do that my lim would cost town 2 players.

This sucks.

Somebody, interact with me. Find me.

[House]

Oh great. So as Ali was heavily suspected on d1 this slot was probably chosen to be the 8-ball for d2, so that my lim would cost town 2 players.

This sucks.

Somebody, interact with me. Find me.

Fix't

[House]

If

mastina

can see the light, so can you

Alisae <3

If it helps, I don't particularly buy hiraki's case as of this post.

[House]

If

mastina

can see the light, so can you

Alisae <3

Is Ali town?

*raises hand*

Pick me!

Pick me!

I know the answer!

[House]

Am I likelier the 8ball than I am wagoned-scum?

Are the two worlds mutually exlusive? (Could I be scum and 8ball)?

You dont feel like scum so yes

I dont think scum go for that route so early but if you flipped scum I could consider it

We'd know if Taly were the 8-ball, as the rules clearly say the 8-ball will flip as 8-ball if eliminated. And besides, whether or not the mod announces it, it'll be obvious by whether scum get a kill that night.

All of which is to say the "if you flipped scum I could consider it" seems more likely to me to come from scum talking to town than from town. Scum talking to town know the first part of the statement ("if you flip scum" can't occur so are more likely to give a careless consequence "I could consider it", compared with town who believe it's a genuine possibility to consider.

VOTE: Wisdom

In other news, Taly's recent posts make me lean town on him, seems like genuine reasoning/questions and the miscount of the votes on him seems more likely to come from two than scum. Also #78 where he raises the possibility he's scum rather than 8-ball.

I like the post, but I kinda don't wanna believe that Wisdom is scum because that would make me sads.

I totally get the logic and that imaginality believes in the vote. Ballsy to go after Wisdom too, I'll give them that.

[House]

I had a very weak thought of

Mom

-8ball but everybody in the thread posted between my vote on her and my post a few moments ago. Nobody seemed to want the wagon.

If you think

Wisdom

is scum, why not join

Imaginality

?

This was literally a page after?

Could vote here, at this point.

Continuing on...

[House]

Mom is the most recent joindate with the least experience I've had with

Mom is an alt in case you didn't know, her actual join date is around mine

Ms Marangal, if memory serves.

[House]

Taly probably misread but Imaginality's one feels like it could be scum motivated

Have you played with him, before?

[House]

Ducky town, the others probscum

Nou

But notu.

I hope.

[House]

Up!

[House]

But again Imaginality is the one person I haven't played with in this playerlist so I could be disliking playstyle

Ah. That's interesting.

[House]

I'm not sure on ducky yet, he seems particularly hard to engage with on a meaningful level and his tone is coming across cheeky/cocky which runs counter to his fear of scum winning this. I agree that he's vaguely pushing the game in a direction to make it easier for town to win though, so he gets a pass on my paranoia for now.

I just realized I have no idea where I'm voting or what the VC looks like, please hold.

This may be a strange question, but how do you know he's pushing the game towards a town victory?

The only way that seems plausible in my limited worldview is if you're informed of who town (and thus, scum) is.

Please, enlighten me.

[House]

So it's up to the rest of you whether you think that's because Taly is so obvtown, or because Wisdom is scum and knows Taly is town.

Like this is suggestive, it's like he's saying "Taly is not obvtown so I don't believe Wisdom" but he's putting it more subtly so it immediately rings manipulation bells for me

I can see it. Not really made better by him also townreading Taly.

VOTE: imaginality

My statement of imaginality having balls to go after Wisdom (on d1 of all days) was based on the assumption they were familiar... but would his team let him do that?

[House]

I also didn't expect Wis would wax lyrical about his reasoning if I asked.

NGL, I was taken aback as well.

I'm used to, "I don't do cases".

Figured something changed over the years, or summat.

[House]

No elims are bad
Scum now have the info to change the 8ball into someone likely getting limd whereas it was a blind guess in pregame
Let's just flip Ali

Please tell me you're not still voting my slot on d2 after making this post on d1...

*goes to check*

[House]

VOTE: Wisdom

[House]

You could have asked me why I see Taly as so obvtown

Ask Mr. "I Don't Do Cases" for reasons?

The times, they are a changing.

[House]

No elims are bad

True, but rushed pile ons onto shitty wagons out of desperation are worse. We should try to get an elimination here, but not getting an elimination is much less bad than normal.

Yus.

[House]

Current hero solve

Taly/imagines

You're not the hero we deserve.

You're the hero we don't need.

[House]

If you are town voting yourself makes zero sense
Especially if you happen to be the 8ball
You just take away the info of the 5th person on your wagon from us

But you're probably just scum so

Scum self-hammers

Demoralized town self-votes.

You're better than this.

[House]

LOL
I thought I self hammered

Lel.

Well then.

[House]

VOTE: ali

I don’t really trust this sudden shift to Wis, makes me worried he’s an 8 ball, tbh.

This.

Is.

Not.

A.

Real.

Thought.

No scum team picks Wisdom as 8-ball on d1, unless they know he rolled jester or someshit.

[House]

Couldn’t just give me a scumflip, could you?

VOTE: ali

I don’t really trust this sudden shift to Wis, makes me worried he’s an 8 ball, tbh.

VOTE: The Worst

The fuck happened, here?

[House]

shouldn't be an issue since i'm 'washed up'

That or possibly scum.

You tell me.

[House]

That was a romp.

[House]

That's an evasion, not an answer.

[House]

Oh great. So at Ali was heavily suspected on d1 this slot was probably chosen to be the 8-ball for d2, do that my lim would cost town 2 players.

This sucks.

Somebody, interact with me. Find me.

I derailed your slots elimination EOD1 and I'll derail it again, I don't give any fucks I'LL 1v6 THIS PLAYERLIST IF I HAVE TO.

VOTE: Wisdom

VOTE: ali

I don’t really trust this sudden shift to Wis, makes me worried he’s an 8 ball, tbh.

This.

Is.

Not.

A.

Real.

Thought.

No scum team picks Wisdom as 8-ball on d1, unless they know he rolled jester or someshit.

This is so candidly similar to

Alisae's

POV that I really don't think

House

fakes this information after an hour of scrolling through the game. The fact that

House's

reads don't mirror the rest of

Alisae's

list is what sells this as likelier to be genuine.

Eh.

Ali's posts did influence my perspective, as I know their alignment and am able to trust them as genuine.

Not necessarily accurate, but genuine.

[House]

You know what, I don't think my vote on

the worst

will pressure him to talk anymore than me bugging the shit out of him with quotes and questions.

VOTE: Wisdom

p-edit

House

, my reads are looking like this:

House/Alisae~imaginality

the worst~Mom~Bingle~Hiraki Slot

Wisdom

Yes, there is order - from most confident to least confident in the respective tier.

I think I'd drop the Mom & Bingle down a tier, and color the rest light green.

I'm not particularly scumreading Hiraki slot. Just had to defend my friend. Didn't mean to offend him though. Was just being snarky with the first post directed at him.

[House]

Mom's talymaginality solve is towny

Didn't seem so on a skim.

I'll review it later.

[House]

I'm sad about the replace outs because I miss playing with Ali and Hiraki but it's nice to see you House.

I miss playing with Ali too.

I replaced in because I figured the slot was doomed, being the leading wagon. Just trying to save someone else the hassle of replacing in for a day or so.

Which could still be the case? I dunno. Either way, I considered it community service.

[House]

Yey!

Welcome, Morning Tweet!

[House]

Wisdom wagon is righteous.

But also gives me sads.

/conflicted

[House]

Question to any: Is there any plausible reason that Wisdom may be the 8-Ball

Asking this for multiple reasons

I'm the likely 8-ball, as Ali was the d1 mislim being ran up when time ran out, and the leading wagon when I replaced in.

No way Wisdom is considered easier to eliminate than the lamb waiting to be slaughtered.

[House]

VOTE: ali

I don’t really trust this sudden shift to Wis, makes me worried he’s an 8 ball, tbh.

This.

Is.

Not.

A.

Real.

Thought.

No scum team picks Wisdom as 8-ball on d1, unless they know he rolled jester or someshit.

I could maybe see this, except look at the player list. If we get rid of everyone who isn’t often eliminated D1, we’re left with how many names?

I can see 3 I'd have an easier time mislimming than Wisdom as scum, and that's without having played with everyone on the list before.

[House]

VOTE: ali

I don’t really trust this sudden shift to Wis, makes me worried he’s an 8 ball, tbh.

This.

Is.

Not.

A.

Real.

Thought.

No scum team picks Wisdom as 8-ball on d1, unless they know he rolled jester or someshit.

I could maybe see this, except look at the player list. If we get rid of everyone who isn’t often eliminated D1, we’re left with how many names?

I can see 3 I'd have an easier time mislimming than Wisdom as scum, and that's without having played with everyone on the list before.

Whomst? I’m unfamiliar with imaginality and hiraki, but I’d say literally everyone else is similarly hard to frame. Probably the easiest on the list is mom, but standing out as the obvious thing is also a good reason someone wouldn’t be the eightball.

I don't even know imaginality & hiraki, but I'd still pick them over Wisdom.

Mom, Alisae, and Taly are all easier to d1 than Wisdom.

[House]

Hm. Perhaps I’m the only person in the thread not irrationally terrified by Wisdom.

He's an nk target, not mislim bait.

Well, as of the last time we played together, anyway. It's been years.

[House]

Hm. Perhaps I’m the only person in the thread not irrationally terrified by Wisdom.

Odd thing to say when literally half the people in this thread are voting Wisdom right now and you're not?

Maybe I'm off, but it seems like that post should be directed at 535?

[House]

Hm. Perhaps I’m the only person in the thread not irrationally terrified by Wisdom.

Odd thing to say when literally half the people in this thread are voting Wisdom right now and you're not?

Maybe I'm off, but it seems like that post should be directed at 535?

(Specifically, the "odd thing to say" bit, as he's the wagon)

[House]

House why do you think duck is town?

You'll hate the answer.

[House]

Mom, Alisae, and Taly are all easier to d1 than Wisdom.

I like to think I've become more difficult to eliminate as the years go by.

Not suggesting you're LHF, by any means~

[House]

Also, you didn't answer my direct question about your read of Wisdom. I want to hear.

Didn’t I? It hasn’t changed recently. He’s a weak townlean and I think he had significant D1 eightball equity.

Now I *really* want that flip.

[House]

House why do you think duck is town?

You'll hate the answer.

I’m a big boy, rip off the band aid.

ducky is adorable. I love his play and am hesitant to scumread them because I lack any experience played with scum!duck to compare it to.

When it comes to players such as these, I generally follow WotC.

[House]

Couldn’t just give me a scumflip, could you?

VOTE: ali

I don’t really trust this sudden shift to Wis, makes me worried he’s an 8 ball, tbh.

VOTE: The Worst

The fuck happened, here?

3 entirely unrelated posts?

I expected Ali to have been hammered by Taly and was vaguely hoping the null read would flip scum, then responded when the mod made a contrary call.

I thought the butt ass last minute wisdom push was odd/noteworthy.

I read the worsts iso and decided the massive amounts of confusion he’s generating are intentional and thus likely enemy action.

You call them unrelated, then show the relation (2 posts pushing my slot with a murderous gleam in your eyes, and a sudden flip out of nowhere)

And I thought I was the one that struggles with inference.

[House]

Lmao this

the worst V Bingle

is so comical, it was not a 1v1 I would have foreseen to start off D2. I'll leave my commentary at that for tonight.

(Hint: I'm implying a read here.)

this is prolly town btw

btw btw this isn't my actual catchup im just on a break

If you could like, hard townread me so that I have another defender when Taly becomes puppy chow to make way for my mislim just to give them another obstacle, I'd appreciate it.

[House]

BOOYA!

Take that, scumbutts!

[House]

this is stupid I'm going to read from the start

Read all you want.

Meanwhile, I'll be over here in the corner, channeling my towny vibes at you.

[House]

If in doubt, hash it out.

No need to wonder.

[House]

I don't really know House's gameplay outside of when he got eaten alive by hyperposting in my game as scum

My play this game is not representative of my typical play as either alignment, as I'm sure other players can confirm.

I'm in a much better headspace than usual for reasons™.

[House]

If you are town voting yourself makes zero sense
Especially if you happen to be the 8ball
You just take away the info of the 5th person on your wagon from us

But you're probably just scum so

Scum self-hammers

Demoralized town self-votes.

You're better than this.

Except it was not a hammer

EXACTLY MY POINT

[House]

Ali is right that this justification for this vote is scummy tbh

Again, that’s not a justification. That is an EOD maybe we can get an elimination vote and a I don’t trust the wisdom wagon to not be on the 8 ball statement. They’re in the same post, they’re not directly related.

Considering there is no nk unless scum gets the 8ball eliminated, trying to shove a lim through is ++scum.

No lim basically just extends the deadline.

[House]

If you are town voting yourself makes zero sense
Especially if you happen to be the 8ball
You just take away the info of the 5th person on your wagon from us

But you're probably just scum so

Scum self-hammers

Demoralized town self-votes.

You're better than this.

Except it was not a hammer

EXACTLY MY POINT

Your point apparently is to cut my post in half and dodge what I'm actually saying entirely

You continuing to scumread an obviously demoralized town self-vote & resuming your push on the d1 wagon that didn't quite get there is exactly why I'm not moving.

You're playing like a newb, which you are not.

[House]

Again, I've seen scum Ali pull similar stuff. It's not an "obviously demoralized town self-vote" to me (which btw, Ali allegedly thought is a self-hammer, so according to your 595 he should be scum for it?), and I was not about to let Ali get away with ate'ing the town

What is the newb part in all this?

The theory that it was a fake hammer gambit was also floated.

Idk what that would accomplish, but honestly idk what a lot of what Ali does accomplishes in any game.

[House]

Sounds like you concede your case

Nah

You still need to die.

[House]

kay gl with that

Right? Precisely why you're not 8-ball.

[House]

kay gl with that

Right? Precisely why you're not 8-ball.

I dont think im 8ball either
Not relevant

It is to those who are using that excuse to not vote you.

[House]

When I saw the player list, I was really hoping I'd be able to obvtown myself to Wisdom and sheep him to victory.

Then I read the game and got sad in the pants.

[House]

House

, you seem more familiar with

Wisdom

scum than I do, what's your meta take?

Also, do you think the thread currently aligns with the narrative that you're the 8ball, or is a current wagon or someone else that has already been voted - a likelier 8ball?

Technically, I'm familiar with town!Wisdom, and this ain't it.

Tbf, my knowledge of his play is years old.

[House]

House

, you seem more familiar with

Wisdom

scum than I do, what's your meta take?

Also, do you think the thread currently aligns with the narrative that you're the 8ball, or is a current wagon or someone else that has already been voted - a likelier 8ball?

I think I'm the likely 8-ball, as Alisae was on the verge of being eliminated for the 2nd day in a row when I joined the game.

[House]

When I saw the player list, I was really hoping I'd be able to obvtown myself to Wisdom and sheep him to victory.

Then I read the game and got sad in the pants.

You certainly don't feel like you want to obvtown yourself to me

Read my entrance. I DID, when I joined.

[House]

When I saw the player list, I was really hoping I'd be able to obvtown myself to Wisdom and sheep him to victory.

Then I read the game and got sad in the pants.

You certainly don't feel like you want to obvtown yourself to me

Read my entrance. I DID, when I joined.

I don't care what you did what you joined.
Why are you still acting like youre scumreading me here when you should know better?

Why should I know better? Wheel did you start giving reasons for reads? When did you start "reading" people so specifically?

Like, you should KNOW I'm town. You should have seen it before Taly.

This is weird for you.

[House]

When I saw the player list, I was really hoping I'd be able to obvtown myself to Wisdom and sheep him to victory.

Then I read the game and got sad in the pants.

You certainly don't feel like you want to obvtown yourself to me

Read my entrance. I DID, when I joined.

I don't care what you did what you joined.
Why are you still acting like youre scumreading me here when you should know better?

Why should I know better? When did you start giving reasons for reads? When did you start "reading" people so specifically?

Like, you should KNOW I'm town. You should have seen it before Taly.

This is weird for you.

Fix't

[House]

When I saw the player list, I was really hoping I'd be able to obvtown myself to Wisdom and sheep him to victory.

Then I read the game and got sad in the pants.

You certainly don't feel like you want to obvtown yourself to me

Read my entrance. I DID, when I joined.

I don't care what you did what you joined.
Why are you still acting like youre scumreading me here when you should know better?

Why should I know better? When did you start giving reasons for reads? When did you start "reading" people so superficially*?

Like, you should KNOW I'm town. You should have seen it before Taly.

This is weird for you.

Fix't

x2

[House]

As for the reasons thing that's just me being less lazy than I used to
You know thats not ai

No I don't.

That's a radical playstyle change.

To be clear, that's not why I scumread you. As I've said before, the times they are a changing.

Turning a 1v1 into voting WITH your 1v1 against me?

Something hinky is going on, there.

[House]

And me being the leading wagon on d2 after Ali was the leading wagon on d1 and you not even considering the possibility I'm the 8-ball?

C'mon, man.

I damned well know my slot is being set up for mislim. How do you think that makes you look from my perspective?

[House]

To word this better;

I was saying that he either was frustrated town or gambiting scum. I dont see the merit in selfhammering as scum, especially when liming another person grants your team a nk

I figured you weren't looking for me to explain the thing you were arguing.

I also don't think selfhammering out of frustration is an AI thing unless the frustration itself is AI, which I don't think it was from Ali.

So, why did you think Ali was scum?

[House]

Bingle isn't my first choice, but I'd hammer the wagon because I'm positive he's not the 8-ball.

Still think I am, with the possibility that Taly could have been 8-balled as a ploy to eliminate him for WK'ing me (kinda doubt it, but not outside the realm of possibility).

I don't see any world where Wisdom or Bingle is 8-Ball, as neither were under pressure before MT & I arrived.

[House]

It more or less feels like Wisdom needs his scumreads to go down in order to win

To be clear, this holds true with him as town as well.

[House]

I'm not sure there was a real reason for Bingle to force a vote on Ali (Save for town voting at deadline to get an elim, perhaps). I still haven't thought of an answer to that

There is zero incentive for town to force an elimination, was no elimination = no nk.

I don't buy that as an excuse at all.

[House]

I'm not sure there was a real reason for Bingle to force a vote on Ali (Save for town voting at deadline to get an elim, perhaps). I still haven't thought of an answer to that

There is zero incentive for town to force an elimination, as* no elimination = no nk.

I don't buy that as an excuse at all.

Fix't

[House]

Scum gets to switch the 8-ball, actually.

Additionally, if Bingle thought that it would be better than a no-elim, it doesn't exactly matter. I think he's conceivable that he would. It's possible he was just very awkward about it and I'm getting tripped up

Sun switching the 8-ball only matters if town flips. Taking the time to ensure the proper elimination happens minimizes that risk.

I'm not calling him scum for it. I'm saying it's suboptimal play to rush a compromise elimination under these circumstances.

[House]

*shrug*

Nothing I can say except sorry I was wrong. Kinda disenchanted atm so if you're gonna lim me do it.

I'm exhausted, just put in 10 hours and don't have the energy to dig in right now.

[House]

@ Bingle: I understood the context, but thank you for the courtesy.

[House]

I'm not pushing today's wagon.

If another 8 ball flips, y'all will come screaming for my head if I'm the one leading the charge.

Kinda put off by leading a miselim on Wisdom. Hope he's not too angry with me.

[House]

We lose if town 8 ball flips house

All the more reason for me not to be the one leading it.

[House]

Why are we not looking for scum on the wagon, btw?

I was expecting more scrutiny.

[House]

All the more reason for me not to be the one leading it.

If a town 8-ball flips it doesn't matter who led it...

But the odds of 8-ball increase drastically if town follows my dumb ass.

[House]

Why's that? You think scum were picking to predict you specifically?

I mean, I'd be a logical 8-ball... but I thought the same yesterday.

[House]

Why's that? You think scum were picking to predict you specifically?

I mean, I'd be a logical 8-ball... but I thought the same yesterday.

If you're a logical 8-ball that means there's no way you could push the 8-ball..?

But that's exactly what happened.

[House]

Oh, I get you.

You should still tell me what you're thinking with regards to scum

I honestly have no clue.

I was invested in a scum!Wisdom world.

I'm still baffled that he actually bothers to explain his reads, now. That was part of his charm.

[House]

I feel kinda mean for saying this, but I could see a world where Taly is scum.

Directing the lim away from me allowed 8-ball to be flipped.

If it had been Titus or someone else I had a lot of games in with, I wouldn't think much of it, but I don't think we've played enough to townread me so hard so early.

[House]

You asked.

Like I said, I'm lost & shouldn't be directing shit.

[House]

Who did you think got killed out of curiosity?

In any case you don't gotta direct so much as obvtown so town isn't distracted

That being said, I don't think most town are scumreading you

I had no clue.
Didn't even look tbh.

Been checked out since Wisdom flipped green.

I'm done with trying to push my opinion this game. I've done enough damage.

[House]

Feel what you feel.

[House]

VOTE: imaginality

Eh.

[House]

Reads are loosely at

MT
Bingle
the worst
House
Ss
Imaginality

You're not at the top of your own reads list?

[House]

Do you trust me?

I question anyone that thinks another player is more likely to be town than the deviance of their own time pm.

[House]

Do you trust me?

I question anyone that thinks another player is more likely to be town than the evidence* of their own time pm.

Fix't

[House]

Do you trust me?

I question anyone that thinks another player is more likely to be town than the evidence* of their own role pm.

Fix't

x2. Damn.

[House]

... I couldn't follow that.

Whatever.

[House]

Not until you disclose why you're not the towniest player in your own reads.

[House]

Not until you disclose why you're not the towniest player in your own reads.

it's a stylistic choice of asserting my position on the gamestate. if i'm wrong on either of {MT,bingle} then i'm sitting on top of a house of cards!! i can't fully explain why i decided to do it in the spur of the moment without like, opening my brain to you. mafia requires an extent of faith and i'm going to ultimately need you to do some of your own thinking about my posting here.

Yeah, I know that. It's just... the times I've seen players list others as townier than them in their own reads, they flipped scum.

Granted, it was years ago, it just still sits with me because that's my experience that has taught me that scum lets their guilty conscience bleed out in unexpected ways.

[House]

What do you think about worst's posting last page

It is what it is.

I have zero faith in my reads and don't take my own impressions seriously (that's why my response to ducky didn't include a vote).

I'm just going to sheep.

I'm the last person in this player list that needs to be weighing in on the elimination.

[House]

Whoever gets in hammer range, I'd imagine.

I'm tired & in pain. Be back tomorrow afternoon.

[House]

@House

don't auto vote worst because SS will hammer it and win if worst is town!8ball

Let's talk things thru

I'm not voting ducky.

[House]

I meant it when I said I've done enough damage this game.

Last thing I'm gonna do is put a player at E-1.

[House]

If we manage to make it through this day phase, I'll find a way to get my WIM back.

I just needed a break.

[House]

Can I hammer S_S?

I want to see if Skittles really are candy-filled.

I would have asked to hammer the worst, but I'm allergic to duck blood.

[House]

Most of my food-animals are vegetarian, does that count? I mean... I'm assuming. I don't actually know if I eat more cow or pig for sure, but I feel pretty safe in the assumption that cow+chicken+deer > pig, and that is the bulk of my animal diet.

If you haven't already, you gotta try some bison steak.

[House]

Making Taly the nk was dumb.

If I was scum, I'd have kept Taly alive as 8-ball, started the day pushing Bingle, then randomly noted that Taly was the reason the lim swung off the d2 target onto the 8-ball.

[House]

If you haven't already, you gotta try some bison steak.

I have. Bison also makes really good burger.

My food strategy is largely "I'll try anything twice," on the presumption that if it tasted bad because of preparation I have a chance of catching it by finding a different person to prepare it.

Goat that's been roasted over a spit is also quite tasty.

[House]

Making Taly the nk was dumb.

If I was scum, I'd have kept Taly alive as 8-ball, started the day pushing Bingle, then randomly noted that Taly was the reason the lim swung off the d2 target onto the 8-ball.

Taly was obvtown read by quite possibly everyone other player in the game

But your slip that Taly was not only not nightkilled but also the scummiest player in the game somehow I find very believable

Hats off if you're faking this though lmfao

This post does not quite mesh with...

now i'm kind of wondering if we were all secretly a little suss of taly and the scumteam just didn't clock that LOL

i definitely would have killed Taly so oopds

<snip>

[House]

Scum team is MT & the worst.

Calling it.

[House]

Hmm, if I'm wrong on the worst, it's imaginality.

[House]

Either way, MT is the common denominator.

VOTE: Morning Tweet

[House]

Morning Tweet actually makes a lot of sense (aside from her slip), because of the weird way Hiraki gave up on pushing Wisdom and was just fine with immediately not only being on the same wagon with him, but also sheeping his "scumread".

[House]

but yeah i missed that Bingle didn't have an outspoken read on Taly and apparently worst was paranoiaing him to some extent

So I think i misjudged the thread's confidence a bit which would suggest i'm a good player to have nightkilled Taly >w< that's sort of what i was trying to say

To be honest though im not sure there's a better target than Taly anyway. Bingle is a no go. You're either a swing vote or a potential mislim (from other's eyes, i kinda thought ur slot is very town). SS can always be a mislim.

Morning Tweet did not even consider the potential of her own night kill.

the worst & imaginality were also not mentioned.

Huge slip.

[House]

I think I found my WiM, y'all.

[House]

Unless you don't make Bingle the 8-Ball since he'd be the obvious suspect.

[House]

I'm probably easier to kill than Taly

Demonstrably untrue.

[House]

I'm probably easier to kill than Taly

Demonstrably untrue.

Elaborate

You've admitted misreading just how easy it would have been to mislim Taly.

[House]

Discredit me all you want. IDC.

[House]

Also do you really think Taly gets eliminated over anyone else today, anyway?

They easily could have been 8-ball today.

[House]

Hiraki/MT being scum makes sense with Wisdom 8-ball.

After failing on his push on d1, they had another bite at the apple on d2.

[House]

Despite never being a wagon or getting voted all game? Or even being a vocal scumread like hardly ever?

Yes.

All it would take is pointing out how they derailed my wagon and the 8-ball flipped as a result.

[House]

Taly chose the Wisdom wagon on D1 though, it's a very easy rebuttal to say that scum targetted Wisdom since Taly/imagine/Ali were already sussing Wisdom

Hiraki pushed Wisdom, then flipped DURING HIS 1v1 and SHEEPED his scumread's push on my slot.

You can't defend that. You weren't even here, yet.

[House]

Who is my partner more likely to be, worstie or imagine?

GTH, imagine.

I'm not familiar with either of their scum games, though.

[House]

Hiraki's wtf180 is damaging.

I'm not going to just ignore that.

Had I been in the slot at the time, I'd have been all over that bone the entire game.

[House]

UNVOTE:

Oops. There went my WiM.

This is exactly why I have no business pushing wagons in a micro.

[House]

VOTE: imaginality

I'm still a spiteful SoB.

[House]

unoffical vc

2 the worst (Bingle, Morning Tweet)
2 imaginality (the worst, House)

2 Not Voting (imaginality, Something_Smart)

the worst wagon gives scum an easy win if he's 8-ball and the scum team is imaginality & S_S.

Food for thought.

[House]

unoffical vc

2 the worst (Bingle, Morning Tweet)

2 imaginality (the worst, House)

2 Not Voting (imaginality, Something_Smart)

I mean... who else would you have killed though? All the other options seem bad and if you really wanted to keep all Wisdom wagon alive,

you had to kill worst or SS which are both valid mislims

Lol...

[House]

UNVOTE:

[House]

unoffical vc

2 the worst (Bingle, Morning Tweet)

2 imaginality (the worst, House)

2 Not Voting (imaginality, Something_Smart)

I mean... who else would you have killed though? All the other options seem bad and if you really wanted to keep all Wisdom wagon alive,

you had to kill worst or SS which are both valid mislims

Lol...

I mean if he's town and u kno dat

You're the one saying he's a viable mislim and voting him.

*shrug*

[House]

it just feels like whoever i vote is going to end up being town and/or 8-ball

Welcome to my world.

[House]

I doubt the worst is 8-ball, or ducky would be hammered by now.

[House]

Whatever.

Just tell me who/when to vote.

[House]

i'm fairly certain i have scum on my wagon

Who?

[House]

i'm fairly certain i have scum on my wagon

Who?

do you like cats?

Who doesn't like cats??

[House]

*strolls in*

I guess I'm sort of cowarding out trying to get someone to make the vote for me

*strolls out*

[House]

VOTE: the worst

[House]

would you join me on imagine house

No.

I think it's the worst & S_S. I want them both run up.

[House]

Lack of quickhammer will confirm my theory.

[House]

I mean yeah, one way or the other.

Although if it is, say, imagine/ss they won't quickhammer if worstie isn't 8-ball.

I don't really mind

It's not imaginality.

[House]

I want them both outed before we lim one to maximize our odds.

[House]

I mean yeah, one way or the other.

Although if it is, say, imagine/ss they won't quickhammer if worstie isn't 8-ball.

I don't really mind

It's not imaginality.

You're testing if worstie gets quickhammered though no?

I think he's scum. Lack of qhickhammer supports my read.

[House]

It's not me.
It's not imaginality.
It's not Morning Tweet.

I want to believe it's not Bingle.

PoE.

[House]

I don't really give two shits whether there's a hammer or not.

My scumreads are PoE'd.

[House]

If you had voted the worst, I'd have voted S_S.

[House]

i'm like, holding my vote rather than putting it on SS because there's no point in losing to a weird ass e.g. {imagi + house/bingle} scumteam this late but i'm obviously down to do SS over me. lol.

Not ready to bus just yet?

That's cool. Gives me more time to sell you as his partner.

[House]

House you can do that after we kill SS no? I will be very receptive to your argument believe me, I think it could be either imagine or worstie.

It's not imaginality.

[House]

Also we can kill both imagine and worst for free after killing SS anyway

We can kill both S_S for free after flipping worst anyway.

[House]

Also we can kill both imagine and worst for free after killing SS anyway

We can kill both S_S & Bingle* for free after flipping worst anyway.

[House]

I'm not voting imaginality

Why does worst not vote S_S here?

Because regardless of who dies, scum loses a member.

[House]

I'm not voting imaginality

Why does worst not vote S_S here?

Because regardless of who dies, scum loses a member.

No, because if the team is Bingle/imagine, voting SS loses.

It's a fringe case, but yeah. Worst's number one pick is imaginality. It make sense from a town PoV, it's NAI

Bingle is a dark horse.

I'm banking on imaginality town.

[House]

S_S sure got chatty when MT voted him and started campaigning for mine.

Intriguing.

[House]

But if you're absolutely sure, I will switch, because we now know worstie isn't 8-ball, at least.

I kinda want you to stay there, personally.

Keep both wagons in the danger zone.

[House]

But if you're absolutely sure, I will switch, because we now know worstie isn't 8-ball, at least.

I kinda want you to stay there, personally.

Keep both wagons in the danger zone.

We want one in the danger zone not two, you know. That's unnecessary risk. There is no reason to be doing this. If someone other than you were to vote SS i would unvote probably as a snap reaction. The ball is in your court rn

I'm kinda hoping someone does, actually.

On either wagon.

That would be informative in itself.

[House]

yup, because I think my execution may not be inevitable

I only feel that way as one alignment, that's for damn sure.

As far as I'm concerned, it is.

Not for your play, mind you. Because of everyone else's.

[House]

it's demonstrably not though, unless I'm scum with tw.

You'll never guess my hero solve!

[House]

Right, and that raises the question of what was our plan to win today? 8-ball imagine and hope that people just magically reverse their reads on him?

I think Bingle is the 8-Ball.

He was the most vulnerable.

[House]

If my partner's imagine, why am I so resistant to killing tw?

You'll never guess my hero solve!

[House]

Why is the game blowing up

now

?????

Because scum is outed and scrambling.

[House]

Why is the game blowing up

now

?????

I finally found something to talk about

Like I said.

[House]

S_S, you should just vote ducky.

Promise I won't unvote if you do.

[House]

WHAT ARE WE EVEN DOING

Idk about you, but I'm having fun.

[House]

I'm glad

Your scum game is so awesome. It's a thrill to watch.

[House]

Oops, wrong thread.

[House]

Who am I with, worstie then?

pedit: What

I'm trolling you because I know you're a badass at playing scum.

[House]

No. In general.

[House]

Also, untrue, I despise the alignment.

Now you know I can't argue that... right this minute.

[House]

Oh. Well I guess I'll take that as a compliment.

Also, are you going to elim SS with me or shall I switch to worst? I'll seriously let you decide but I do feel like SS quickhammers it.

Worst isn't 8-ball though we already would have lost. Unless Bingle is scum. But whatever

Either one can die. I'm in no rush.

It'll be interesting to see what the other players have to say.

[House]

Let's see, if everyone voted we'd be at....

Something_Smart [2] << imagineality, Morning Tweet
the worst [2] << Bingle, House
imagineality [2] << the worst, Something_Smart

What a nightmare lol

Then, we're obviously NOT the deciding votes.

We're can't finish off a lim no matter who we vote.

[House]

Let's see, if everyone voted we'd be at....

Something_Smart [2] << imagineality, Morning Tweet
the worst [2] << Bingle, House
imagineality [2] << the worst, Something_Smart

What a nightmare lol

Then, we're obviously NOT the deciding votes.

We* can't finish off a lim no matter who we vote.

[House]

S_S doesn't hammer his buddy, here.

[House]

No, we are. Worst and Something_Smart are intentionally not switching their votes because they are waiting on us.

If that's true, it only serves to support my theory.

[House]

It's already obvious, lol.

[House]

It is true from my end at least.

But I mean I can put down a vote if you can give an actual reason for why it will help.

If ducky flips scum, who is his partner?

[House]

I know as well as the next guy that when the two leading wagons won't vote each other, it means they're scum.

YoU FoRgOt To UsE SaRcAsM TyPe.

[House]

This is not a vote for the worst.

Actually, it was.

Nicknames count. Anything the mod thinks it's a vote, is a vote.

[House]

Oh. Duh.

[House]

S_S not voting ducky doesn't disprove my solve in any way.

[House]

S_S not voting ducky doesn't disprove my solve in any way.

I don't, what was your solve

Oh yeah. That one. I know. That was more for me than you. For an imagine/SS scumteam, SS just passed up a free kill and might get nothing for it

I've been saying S_S/ducky for hours.

[House]

This game is throwing me for a loop in a way unlike so many other games. I hate that scum is trying (no i don't, lol it's been great)

I swear to Asura my paranoia is reading this post as gleeful scum.

[House]

I'd have to be pretty masochistic scum to not just push Bingle today for the free win.

The same could be said off anyone, could it not?

[House]

Or at the very least, not take top poster by almost double. Sorry about that by the way, I got way too carried away this time.

I was always top poster as scum when I was here last, made it easier to control the narrative.

That said, I know that's me & not necessarily you. Just saying, it happens.

You're crazy good as scum and I'm hyper-paranoid that I'm buried deep in your pocket, lol.

[House]

That's a bit desperate, braaaaah.

[House]

VOTE: imagine

crosses

fingers

wing claws

I believe you.

[House]

believe what

What I quoted, of course.

[House]

that im crossing my wings?

claws.

[House]

wolves have claws... awoo..

^ this duck gets it.

[House]

ur killin me house

.........awoo..................................

You legit scare me.

[House]

MorningTweet is like a non-toxic RC-level scum.

[House]

Firebringer-esque?

[House]

Voting imaginality would be playing against my win con.

[House]

...
Also, are you going to elim SS with me or shall I switch to worst?...

Either one can die. I'm in no rush.

House are you still happy to elim either the worst or SS?

Yes

[House]

Just over 11 hours left in the day.

I'll be back before then, if I'm needed.

[House]

i'm feasibly the worst scum player alive right now

So, we don't even suspect your buddy?

[House]

they're knocking it out of the park right now yea

Why did i phrase it like that lol

Guilty conscience, mayhap?

[House]

I'm just having fun.

It's late and I'm tired. I'm not up to efforting.

[House]

i wish i wasn't town but alas

Idk, you're feeling like resigned scum to me.

[House]

Idk, you're feeling like resigned scum to me.

How so?

I'm not seeing any attempt to shake the wagon.

Just impotent, "sorry, I'm town" statements that do nothing to actually convince me that he is, in fact, town.

[House]

That's fair but you haven't exactly given off the feeling you're about to budge on imagine

Why would I?

I haven't been given a reason.

It's like ducky knows the lim is correct.

[House]

I mean yeah, one way or the other.

Although if it is, say, imagine/ss they won't quickhammer if worstie isn't 8-ball.

I don't really mind

It's not imaginality.

House, can you talk to me about this read?

Not really.

I was invested in my theory.

[House]

I was invested in my theory.

Was the theory pairing specific or two independent reads?

I was extremely vocal about it.

VOTE: Bingle

You're not trying to solve in the first place, or you'd have known that.

[House]

House better be scum lol

That's hilarious.

Well, that or it's imagine/Bingle and House lucked out

It happens, sometimes.

[House]

Notice how SS and imagine still havent come online

which one are you waiting for?