open 841: concgratulations to the winners and losers

[Faker]

It is a thrill to play again. It is unclear to me how to vote without really rolefishing here, but I really want to discuss why I made my number selection.

VOTE: skitter30

The last two runs of this setup have only a single scum draw over 10, with a meme submission of 69, and all 5 of the others are under 10. I have some theories on why this is, ranging from small sample size to player preferences independent of alignment, but I think there is some value in discussing how I'd approach the game as mafia.

To me, the value of roles for scum hinges mostly on mechanical denial. In contrast, town finds niche utility out of the dispersion of middling roles.

I believe catboi is town. My impression was that Datisi was likely aware of the avoidance of number 1, and that Pooky is the type to straightforward go for gold when presented with a prisoner's dilemma.

[Faker]

Missed a sentence.

I am more comfortable placing a vote on someone I've played with, and that leaves me to vote skitter over Andante. I don't know anything about Andante, but skitter had a high level of intentionality in Trust Fall, so I am comfortable voting her first.

[Faker]

(Should also make it clear that I am fully aware there are town incentives to aim high in the draft, and WIFOM/meta reasons to aim middle-low as scum; my point is that scum historically tend to disproportionately aim high)

[Faker]

Ah well, my style is too idiosyncratic anyway. Was never going to last!

[Faker]

And for Pooky: I regret nothing, trusting Meg and turbostossing every time, get rekt

[Faker]

I'm inflexible and can really only play one way unless I want to deliberately sandbag, but it's nice to have a mixup.

On the other hand now I can just openly say "Pooky is exactly the type of animal to just submit 1 without thinking twice"

[Faker]

Pooky I'm pretty sure if the country gave you the nuclear codes every missle would be preemptively launched within minutes

and it's beautiful

[Faker]

Let the record show I did in fact tell him that in the scum PT.

[Faker]

It's because the idea of not hitting buttons is unfathomable to you. When you recognize that they build the button so that

choose

not to hit it, that's when you start submitting 14s.

Very offtopic but decent book on IR theory around nuclear proliferation, very accessible and strikes a balance on the theoretical and pragmatic.

[Faker]

I bet it cost at least $10

[Faker]

It's hilarious to me that I have repeatedly managed to juggle several games between main and alt successfully without slipping, but twice now I have managed to slip while in 0 games on my main and 0 reason to even be logged in. Just incredible.

[Faker]

Not really thrilled with skitter's start. I instinctively did not like the statements about catboi and IV, and checked it against several games but it doesn't line up with any she's played with me as either alignment.

VOTE: Mare

Meh.

[Faker]

you don't like skitter, so you will unvote her?

My instinct, which was that I could probably pull up scumgames with similar starts, was wrong. I can move my vote back later if I want.

[Faker]

Amd why mare?

I just woke up and decided my vote wasn't doing much. I did not think 78 was a real process.

I believe I answered your other question already in a response to Datisi.

[Faker]

If anything I think my point stands more given the spat of energetic posting IV made following.

The few games I have seen of IV (9:12 and a few specced) lead me to lean that towards both his initial statements and the followups being very NAI.

Normally I don't like to go out of my way to say this, but you seem to be want me to reassess and engage directly with the attack in a substantive way, so I will humor you.

[Faker]

I always have problems with switching up my grammatical structure midsentence but I'm taking the amount of errors, in conjunction with my own lack of worthwhile thoughts, to mean it is time to put on my glasses and go through my daily routine before returning later.

[Faker]

Mare, I have spoken in several different games of my intentionality in interacting with you to either shut you out of the game or to stay out of your way. It should be obvious that I intend to do neither this game.

However, in previous iterations (ex. Slaughter Hour) your response has been to be (rightfully) extremely skeptical of my intentions and to steer clear as much as possible. Your only real post about me that game came to warn off someone townreading me for tilt, and you only quoted someone else rather than added any commentary of your own.

I don't see the same skepticism of my intent here. I am very happy voting you.

[Faker]

???? Are you like 5, this meme is from years ago? Do you really think I'd get mad at laughinggirls.jpg? Are you trying to tilt me? It's not working, I'm not that insecure, you're such a boomer shut up SHUT FUCK SHUT UP TO ME OK

[Faker]

I don’t have a reason to be skeptical yet and I’m not going to waste my energy on it until you do something worth skepticism. There are other people who are currently worth it and you’re not.

Weird, considering I've exploited the assumption of good will before and you've correctly adapted to it before.

Responding to your latest post, I am critiquing your

leaning into

the dance rather than cautiously away.

I don't really want to match your tone here, and I don't think it's NAI, but I think going out of your way across multiple posts to suggest I am not worth effort is disappointing.

[Faker]

The pace of this game is too much for me at the moment; I will return later.

You should expect more from me in the latter half of Day 1, and a weaker next 72 hours. I'll be traveling the next few days with multiple long car rides and a flight, and don't have access to this account on my phone.

[Faker]

I am late for my travels, with much to do. I've only skimmed but do not see much I want to comment on.

I think I'd like to take this game "off" in a sense. I don't enjoy the puzzle aspect of the game at all, and am not even going to try to change that aspect...but I'm also very tired of my own ego. I'd like to just set it aside and see what happens. I'll be in when I feel like it, I guess, but I'm not going to relentlessly push for perfection or use continual swipes of the finetooth comb to develop reads.

Why would you outsource the read to the person who literally always reads me wrong and failed to catch me the one time I was scum against her

Honestly I'm down to just take your word for it- What do you think I should be looking at to become more accurate with you and a better player overall? Do you think anyone should be townreading you for your play so far?

[Faker]

I guess I'll fix this account so that I can access it on my phone, but I'd like to use it as little as possible.

[Faker]

If anyone has any specific questions for me, I'll be around for a bit packing. If you'd like to ask me to weigh in on a very extended argument, rather than a snippet, that will likely have to wait.

[Faker]

I mean, I wanted to push a point I felt was important at the time. It didn’t really matter the past treatment or the weird distance in games.

You’re not worth the effort of a scumread currently, which... don’t really think is worth disappointment. Of interacting/as a whole you are or else I wouldn’t attempt to interact with you. I thought that was clear but it probably wasn’t, apologies.

I appreciate this and the further clarification.

I still posit that dismissing the past treatment and intentional distance as something that "doesn't really matter" is really bizarre. I think the "not worth the effort of a scumread" is just a restatement of that idea.

It is foundational to our interactions in games and was weaponized to great effect as scum. I think it not only matters but is absolutely alignment indicative.

I don't really want to go back and forth about this for now, so you don't have to respond. For my part, I'll revisit it later after further thought.

[Faker]

Strange cat, that has been my primary approach for the last year, and it has generally be successful when I put instant reactions aside! It might be worth remembering the scumgame you won, where it took gladiating all three members of your scumteam, several gambits, and a wrong death tunnel elsewhere, only to still nearly get hammered.

[Faker]

Too tired for this right now.

Should clarify me/Mare definitely do not have beef, other than the fact that she's a stupid fucking horse girl

[Faker]

It just hit me that she spent eons debating the horse girl topic with me only to literally select the username "Mare" this case is open and shut

[Faker]

Anyone know if there's a user-made extension to convert entire threads to PDF?

I'm swamped with end-of-year stuff at work but am hoping to read on my flight later. I'm not eager to download each page individually, but if I have to I will.

[Faker]

Definitely helps make the task more feasible, thanks Datisi

Mare, glad you realized it was "springboard"

[Faker]

No, that is the correct phrase and usage, I was just commenting that before you used a different phrase instead that made your alts easily identifiable.

[Faker]

You used to say "jumping board", which is how I nailed Vulture.

[Faker]

Aight y'all let's see how much reading I can get through before boarding

hey cat

Spoiler: for cat only

fuck u lmao

[Faker]

I thought my spiel about scum aiming for high in the draft was really pushing it but there are some real crackpot theories in the first 10 pages. innocentvillager's 8/9 theory is the type of thing you normally hear after a long night of gardening at the Delta Tau Chi house.

[Faker]

I don't do any substances, or even drink. You can find posts of me rolling GreyICE and MagnaofIllusion while blacked out drunk circa 2018 if you look hard enough, though.

[Faker]

ok don’t actually do it please

But

How bad is massclaim in this setup

I kind of entertained the idea briefly but I have no idea how to do mech

...Can you specify what you think the strengths of a massclaim would have been?

[Faker]

jk I’m prolly not obvtown but I don’t think I’m like this as scum lol

What do you mean you're not "like this" as scum? Do you have a specific post in mind that where you don't think you've done similar as scum?

[Faker]

My one impression from skimming previously was that Andante was town after some small wall, then she posted a second. I checked against her ISO in Happy Face, where I pushed her through when she was scum (Now that I altslipped I can say I am familiar).

It had more one-liner rapid engagements than I thought but very little of the active effort she's shown since. Maybe she's grown but I felt good just throwing her in the townbin and calling it a day.

[Faker]

Pooky if you actually want to engage on that vote you should give something. I do not think you understood what I was doing in the Mini Normal and am very convinced you took the wrong lessons from it.

I'm not going to do historical analysis and lecture you again, but I am very confident you do not know how to read me and you should dialogue about the present.

[Faker]

thus far i like andante and dats
and maybe faker iv and mare

pings on midwaybear
and i'm still somewhat suspicious of catboi's 21 but he obviously isn't super into the game yet so idk we'll see. the sleepless vote was a good point tho

This was generally a good set of reads though I'm less sure of iv/mare. I didn't like midway's focus on just the doubles.

[Faker]

Skimming through 9:12 maybe I'm wrong to be skeptical of IV's lines about not being this way as scum. I don't have time to go too indepth but there's a focus on buddying/easy reads, here seems a bit more freewheeling and discursive.

[Faker]

[On IV's massclaim suggestion]

Doesn't "help" but the mindset is almost always town driven because scum are never going to be so bold as to suggest the idea if they believe it to be a pro-scum move, as doing so just draws negative attention to them and is unlikely to get cooperation. Way more likely to get floated by town who are trying to experiment - don't think I've ever seen scum propose it, actually. (day 1 mass is more viable in a cosed setup, in here it's pointless and bad)

Look at the motivations, not whether the suggestion is helpful/unhelpful

Can you weigh in more specifically on the fact that it was IV who suggested it? My impression of IV has been that he is in fact not the strongest mechanically, but he's got to at least have some positives in mind before suggesting it. I definitely think he is capable of doing "dumb" suggestions like that as scum hoping it will get townread for exactly that reason.

[Faker]

I've never seen you be so happy/pleasant b4

what's up with that?

Finally rolled mafia.

The real answer is both that Faker was actually meant to be a bit more congenial/personable, and I'm stressed enough in real life that I don't really want to stress over mafia.

I intentionally sat back and decided that for once I wouldn't strive to be the absolute best player at the table but settle for improving myself and maybe trying my hand at the puzzle aspect, which I historically do not care about or enjoy in the slightest except as a means to an end.

[Faker]

Like I said previously, I tire of my own ego. I can don some humility and try to learn something instead; and this approach is what initially inspired me to let cat's lines pass without much of a fight and instead take a more Socratic approach.

[Faker]

Oh you doubled down. Well, the read makes sense to me so I'll let you have it.

[Faker]

Alright, I have to board. Thanks for the suggestion on the pages Datisi, this doesn't look too readable unfortunately but maybe I'll give it a whirl...or just sleep.

Hopefully I can finish up tonight and place a good vote. I'll be able to phone post tomorrow during a long car ride.

[Faker]

Pooky's read on me 100% makes sense, and the question if I was high contextually reinforces it. I don't know if I'd call him town but it raises no eyebrows. There are definitely games where I post the occasional meme mixed into hyperfocused play, but playing with broad levity and being more laid back definitely is a mixup, and it's very reasonable to assume it's in pursuit of a win condition.

[Faker]

Why is it bad, Cakez?

Pooky has reason to believe pressure works on me after I intentionally leaned in+fake tilted in another game, and he is right that moments where I act like a regular human are very rare.

Note that I don't townread him!

[Faker]

I will still need to finish reading but from what I saw skimming ahead I was not ready to move my vote from Mare.

[Faker]

VOTE: Mare

I would really discourage this. I think you're already tilted and should just unvote and come back later. I might change my mind in the meantime...or I might not! But I might!

[Faker]

I think that's unfortunately a lot easier to do by accident than you give credit for, Mare.

Flight time but I dunno. Take it from the tilt master, it works better when you recenter and sharpen your focus.

[Faker]

Did not read, packed on like omicron sardines, played Minish Cap instead, zero regrets.

Think people are drastically underestimating Mare wrt the apathetic stubbornness being inherently town (that's a compliment, shut up and take it)

catboi should I be concerned about your alignment, given that you are normally eager to out a read on me? Bonus that I'm pretty sure I just talked about how a null performance from me is effectively a scumclaim right before the game iirc

[Faker]

Strongly disagree and think that is a decent-ish comparison.

[Faker]

Dude I even gave unwnd a chance on this account

That takes a lot, I literally identified him based off of

how strong my instinctive contempt for him was

[Faker]

Nah. Gotta walk me through it.

[Faker]

I actually had guesses until you said that, now I am legitimately confused lmao

[Faker]

Fair enough though

[Faker]

ya ig actually

[Faker]

Man maybe I did smoke the devil's lettuce this evening

[Faker]

That is a great point re: Cakez lmao

[Faker]

Aight I'm satisfied you can carry me goodnight bb

[Faker]

This is like a chihuahua trying to fight a coyote

[Faker]

Review of LAX:

-Why did I have to walk a quarter of a mile to find the Terminal name posted?
-Why did my terminal randomly change from a letter to a number?
-Why are there no signs pointing to Baggage Claim?
-Plus: Baggage Claim half mile away, good for stretching post-fligjt
-Why are there 7 flights on one baggage claim with no indicator yours have even made it?
-I still do not know if I am in Terminal B, Terminal 4, or "Yes"

Overall: 1/5

[Faker]

well ok the benefits of a massclaim are to lock scum into a claim and I think their picks say a lot about their priorities and stuff

We have draft info too

We can read into this kind of stuff and share what we all put in for the draft etc and unravel the whole auction

It’s not completely dumb

See, here's what I don't like, your 27th post in this game was "how bad is a massclaim" after about 20 posts of "let me defend why I picked the number I picked" like, something feels VERY off here, and I think the simple answer is just, you're not town. Like, you asked about massclaim, jumped straight into making "reads". Something feels very off.

Still chewing on the IV response but this post is A+ from Andante. Would be very surprised if she is mafia this game.

[Faker]

I'm...not really sold on cat's midwaybear read. Need to revisit when caught up.

Sorry that I am living in the past, I see literally everyone and their mother thought the same about that Andante post lmao

[Faker]

- sleepless vote felt like weird timing (even tho you made a fair point), like its weird to vote someone based on p2 while you're still catching up on several more pages
- midway tr also feels off (and tbh if anything that feels tmi to me)
- not sure i like the flow trap vote. Like i get why you think they might be just spamming but i'm not sure i get that vibe
- i dont like your take on my dats read but i will admit i might just be annoyed by this one

None of these things are inherently bad or damning but the cumulative picture just feels kinda off

I concurred on the midway read, was less sure on the rest. I kinda felt the same about Datisi. Points 1/3 I can see going either way.

[Faker]

I'm calling it a night at Page 21.

Wasn't really feeling iv's weird interact around skitter, trying a bit too hard with leaning into the stomach joke. Line from catboi about Pooky not calling skitter/cat SvS I weirdly liked. Probably stupid but I liked it.

[Faker]

I also hate how I've had to spam with one-offs because of my phone. I'll try to set up a hotspot so I can use my laptop and consolidate posts/do more indepth work tomorrow.

I of course will be the one driving, one hand on the wheel one hand perusing two hundred tabs

[Faker]

I wasn't thrilled by flow trap's first half of the game but I have accepted from Iceland that I am unlikely to be able to read him with my current level of knowledge, barring extremely obvious ulterior motive.

Skitter, as a counter to your own towncase for me, what do you think of Pooky's point that I would get more tilted as town, over

something

be it him, Mare, etc. and that I am generally just too laid back to be town?

I'm not going to do what I usually do and rake people over the coals for questionable reasoning on me unless I legitimately question its faith btw

[Faker]

LMAO, Iceland was a game I played with flow trap.

I wish it was my destination though!

[Faker]

(I was scum that game, Iceland, but it was very obvious to me that it was hard to get a handle on flow's alignment, until it finally became obvious with a gigantic word document he posted the last day. My attempt to read him in reaction to me did not go well in another mutually town Newbie in Open House)

flow is a "In case of emergency break glass" default/only if best available option vote in my book.

[Faker]

Once, on EM, I spent several hours arguing on the forums, posting from various checkpoints while hiking up to the summit of Mt. Fuji with my partner.

I assure you Iceland would be nothing, I am a degenerate.

[Faker]

9:12 for my play was marked with great aggression in pursuit of reads, and I did not hesitate to demand more from other players even if I did so in mostly light-hearted fashion.

What similarities do you see in your mind, IV? Again I am trying not to rake people over the coals arbitrarily but I legitimately don't understand this one, and unfortunately some habits die hard.

[Faker]

The hilarious part is that the reflective stepback has been a scum staple dating back to my first games on site in 2016

I can let skitter be wrong but you, LMAO

[Faker]

And how does that compare to my scum and towngames, flow trap?

You have experience with both, as I am an outed alt of Prism.

[Faker]

Checking the last VC I don't see any imminent concerns. I will continue to sit on Mare for now. I still strongly disagree that the bitter argument was out of range, even if I know I need more overall.

[Faker]

I am not really enthused by the flow trap posts on this page. I'm not thrilled about the shallow vote on me, either, but I at least haven't given the necessary activity that real depth would require.

[Faker]

Today

is THE DAY

NOTHING ON THE SCHEDULE LADS AND LASSIES

[Faker]

I read at a rate of like a page every 5 minutes please slow down oh god

Picking back up from page 12, going to try to consolidate thoughts every 5-10 pages or so.

[Faker]

Spoiler: For Cakez

Not really thrilled with skitter's start. I instinctively did not like the statements about catboi and IV, and checked it against several games but it doesn't line up with any she's played with me as either alignment.

VOTE: Mare

Meh.

how does this vote parse with you criticizing Skitter's opening?

This was answered in 109, I concur that I should have made it more explicit.

[Faker]

Prism prolly Town:P

Oh god, major yikes. This acknowledgment was post 646. flow trap recently voted me only to unvote when presented my main:

VOTE: Faker

Kinda seems concerned with self image

And how does that compare to my scum and towngames, flow trap?

You have experience with both, as I am an outed alt of Prism.

Ah, I see, I see

Indeed, that does null my point, you were definitely not self-focused as scum and you were diplomatic UNVOTE:

VOTE: flow trap

[Faker]

Like I

guess

a reading of that is I got him to actually think about the previous games with me? That still would not be great but at least isn't an outright lie/slip.

[Faker]

Okay, I'm taking a break after page 30. This is the wall of questions/misc comments/posts of interests, will do a summary of where I'm at after.

Scum theater. But, I feel like I'm getting too conf biased (around your slot) because I really think you are scum. I'm starting to build a narrative that makes you scum regardless of other alignments(nsg/skitter), and I don't think that is very good. Maybe you are scum, but I don't want to tunnel at this point.

I didn't really like the hedging of a few of the reads, but this one stuck out. I was very curious about the narrative described here and why it was held so close to chest. Midway followed up and spoke about IV/Datisi but those aren't the interactions references here (nsg/skitter)

wait do you think scum skitter approaches you this way immediately?

That was the doubt I had but she keeps doing the thing where her reasons for suspecting me keep changing after they become invalid and so I'm tilting my head to the side and going "really"? at the stuff she's saying

Historically, how scum indicative is this behavior? I unfortunately feel like I see it as either alignment, there's the question of "Working backwards" that I consider strongly indicative, but there's vaguely negative feelings and slowly drilling down/reworking it to understand the feeling.

I didn't really like flow trap's wall on IV. I wouldn't mind a townlean but I think flow trap was very quick to call behaviors town and not really worried about being wrong.

I probably should stay out rather than bother to weigh in, but I have to say, pages 28-30, NSG, I respect trying to teach people that the majority of players will statistically be town and that you have to be extremely careful with inductive reasoning. It is a futile effort but I respect it.

[Faker]

Summary (circa page 30+random bits I've grabbed in checkins).

All tiers are ordered T->S

Lock Town
========
-Andante: Entirely based off of flipping through Happy Face, where I found both her realtime interactions and actual reads very lacking. I could drill deeper and really lay out the differences but I don't really think I need to. I haven't read a single post and thought it was scummy, have read a million that sounded town, and her reads are much more proactive and complex even when I disagree.

Townish, I guess
========
-Something_Smart: Feel like he's generally a bit more performative as scum based off of my limited experience, also understands scum need to be active in current meta. Sure, townish.

-SirCakez: Chihuahua bark at bear. Chihuahua get mauled, long recovery. Chihuahua come back. Chihuahua bark anyway. Chihuahua town?

-innocentvillager: Every morning I wake up, read something of IV's, and 180 the read. I want to turbovote this slot for the massclaim suggestion and didn't like the followup (overly simplistic and ignored that town is completely dependent on correct blocking actions to salvage any town power, which may already belimited). For some reason I woke up and the slot was town. The way my coffee is sitting in my stomach leads me to say townish, so here he goes. Honestly I fucking hate having to read this dude for alignment, do not understand how his mind and reads work at all.

Nullish
=========
-skitter30: Her side of catboi interactions is fine but nothing she can't fake.

-northsidegal: Her first set of catchup posts were fine and she was in Townish. I then ISO'd her to remind myself what they were while typing this. I then said "This is stupid, don't see why she doesn't make these criticisms as scum" and moved her down to Nullish. Then I remembered I liked the Skygazer bit, and moved her back up. Now I'm like "Nah". FINAL VERDICT: NULLSIDEGAL

-Datisi: Sometimes I look at the thoughts and go "Oh yeah this seems town." Then I realize I have no fucking clue what Datisi looks like as scum and this doesn't share much with Chara's Folly nor a Mini Normal I played with him, and I sucked at reading this dude in 9:12. Null pile, son.

-Sleepless Assassin. The name is a lie he has been asleep all game.

-catboi: Reads seem bad until the cute grr posts or whatever but like most of the game, midway read made no sense to me. I'll gauge that more when I revisit midway.

Scummyish
==========
-PookytheMagicalBear: Not aggressive enough in SR on me; his stated takeaway from the one gameday he saw of me as scum was that he should have gone after me rather than chase after a partner. I took a similar approach to townreading him that game in reaction to his push as a bonus.

-midwaybear: Opening was very lackluster to me, eliminating S/S is weak and I don't really get the meta number bit when the answer in question was 9 and one of the last picks. Think the "one of" statements is just a classic scumline and someone (northsidegal?) hit the nail on the head when they called him classically scummy. Want to revisit, I know he was a free read in Xenoblade 2.

-Mare: Very subjective, initial set of reads seemed like a forced push for something she thought she could defend rather than a sincere belief. I think she tends to be more proactive with interjections and reads as scum but honestly I'm bad at reading her in general and have burned what tells I did have a few times over. Think she played up the stubbornness and knows that it is very frustrating for players but winds up netting a townread.

Scum
==========
-flow trap: I did not expect to ever get a real read on this slot but I think that interaction with me regarding my main was egregious. I also did not like the wall on IV, see previous post.

[Faker]

I am tired, a bit under the weather, and I am taking a nap, Yeet, see y'all for round 2 (pages 30-60) later.

[Faker]

cat before I forget this is for you

[Faker]

I felt like my Datisi read was biased and it began to bias other reads because of that (for example: datisi scum -> skitter town).

My point is that "narrative" implies some deeper analysis and, well, narrative arc.

I will leave the bulk of your question to flow trap's question for him, but there is a

world

of difference between being personally affable and being actively diplomatic.

[Faker]

I recall dats, faker, and catboi, and i think there were at least one or two others as well

Nullish
=========
...

-northsidegal: Her first set of catchup posts were fine and she was in Townish. I then ISO'd her to remind myself what they were while typing this. I then said "This is stupid, don't see why she doesn't make these criticisms as scum" and moved her down to Nullish. Then I remembered I liked the Skygazer bit, and moved her back up. Now I'm like "Nah".

FINAL VERDICT: NULLSIDEGAL

[Faker]

Let me rephrase the question to you midwaybear.

You described a narrative you were constructing around Datisi being scum. Your references to him at this point were limited to "1 scum in IV/Datisi" for their reactions, and scum theater around NSG. (Which begs the question, why is their discussion not TvT? Not saying this is you, but people always say shit like "idk it's just weird" and my rule of thumb is if you don't know which one is scum, the read is likely garbage) There was also a bit right at gamestart where you thought you agreed with him but it turns out he was making another point. Unclear where this factors in.

Why did you begin to believe Datisi specifically was scum in these, and why did it strengthen?

[Faker]

I'm up to page 40ish but I need to eat.

Mare/Cakez has Mare still being unreasonably stubborn (esp. w/r/t catboi). Cakez gives tonal/underexplained reads as town, it's why he's always limbait. I don't townread Cakez, though.

I thought about how to put this in a nice way but I am hangry. The Datisi/skitter slapfight was complete garbage and every second I spent parsing would have been better spent playing with a pet rock. End of the day that reaction to NSG was very par for the course for Datisi and it just gets worse from there.

VOTE: SirCakez

Getting the same feelings as I did in Final Fantasy.

I don't feel like him being in catchup mode is remotely AI especially given the speed of the thread. I feel like I

should

be able to actually get a read on him at some point this game but I can't get it the way he is now, just have to Have Patience

kind of a meh vote

I am really struggling to contextualize this in light of Slaughter Hour, where I believe you struggled to get a townread on him and wound up shoving him through? My memory might be failing.

[Faker]

Oh dear god that Datisi/skitter interaction

continues?

[Faker]

I feel like I'm so close to being current.

Simultaneously my brain is fried from the last few days and I would like to spend time with my friends and go snowboarding tomorrow.

[Faker]

I've become increasingly less sold on my Cakez townlean, pretty rote stuff to fake, but we will see. Going out of his way to tell me we matched rubbed me the wrong way as I served not as an adamant defender but a slight one in Warehouse 13. He might be hoping for the same here.

Might need to meta dive for the Pooky stuff for more recent stuff.

[Faker]

And, let me say, once more.

I really don't give a fuck if he's catching up. People do it. I dislike it. Whatever.

I dislike what he's saying.

you're all like blah blah I don't like what Cakez is saying
what am I saying here exactly???

Like you want to be ? but you're sitting here saying that he hasn't done anything AI which is patently false soooo.

VOTE: Skitter30

this feels fake as fuck

mare's push is terribad but this

is it time to restart the animal police department to get some civility back

VOTE: Faker

this is definitely scum and I don't want to move my vote

I thought earlier while reading in the 30s-40s about flipping both Mare/Cakez, decided it was dumb, but this isn't helping.

[Faker]

also faker's towniest post is his first post of the game that's probalby why im currently anchored to faker town

I hate that this comes in a reaction to me but yeah I'm slotting IV in the hard townbin. No reason to bring this up or revisit this at the time. Everyone ignoring my start was criminal and I think cat especially should know that while I can WIFOM that post 100% lines up with how I view scum & town respectively.

I don't fear qualitative play or players at all, I fear mechanical clears and PoE.

[Faker]

I'm done with this, it's getting no where, and this is no fun. so see yall whenever. this entire argument is dumb

Unclear to me why this was contextually; you had just concluded Datisi was scum. I feel like normally that realization creates a spark?

Not really that concerned I'm wrong on you but would rather ask this now than paranoia revisit later.

[Faker]

If it helps Mare I'm probably going to move my vote~

[Faker]

-flow trap: I did not expect to ever get a real read on this slot but I think that interaction with me regarding my main was egregious.

Yeah I knew you would think that

Okay? You didn't really explain the discrepancy in not recognizing me as Prism. Did you just forget, was my guess that you just didn't think about the implications correct, what?

Contextually it seems like your vote came in reaction to this post of mine:

The hilarious part is that the reflective stepback has been a scum staple dating back to my first games on site in 2016

I can let skitter be wrong but you, LMAO

It's unclear to me why this is being overly concerned with my self-image. Two players townread me for something and I went out of my way to highlight it as a scum staple and correct them. It is also

very

difficult to spot the staple in the scumgames in question, which are from 2016/2017, unless you know in advance what you're looking for. It was unlikely to be found via normal meta review.

[Faker]

I would classify that as an epic win.

I was considering moving it to Cakez from you.

Then I remembered I am already on flow trap, not you, so it's already gone!

[Faker]

Okay, I caught up, jesus fucking christ. Really just skimmed the last few pages, outright skipped Datisi/skitter round 30, but we are DONE.

T->S as usual

Town: Andante
Probably town: innocentvillager
Townlean: Something_Smart, Datisi
Null (Going to be real other than NSG at the top and cat at the bottom this ordering is very loose): northsidegal, skitter, midwaybear, Sleepless Assassin, Pooky, catboi
Scumlean: Mare
Scum: SirCakez, flow trap

SirCakez is always fucking limbait but every single post I read from 40 on I thought was some combination of ingratiating or opportunistic and I wanted to flip him.

I have a few projects I want to work on later, not particularly important that I get to all of them but:
-Recent Cakez/Pooky interactions in other games
-midwaybear as a person+his recent responses to me that I was too tired to process
-Review Datisi/skitter independently, skitter had like one point that was okay but the rest was so NAI or +town imo. Part of me wants to try to toneread Datisi based off the reactions, because substantively they're rote softballs, but iuno

[Faker]

Alright and with that I will SEE YOU ALL ON NEW YEAR'S DAY

[Faker]

Earlier in the game, you knew I was Prism. Later, you did not.

It's what happened in the middle that is the issue+question.

[Faker]

Northsidegal is also completely wrong on why Andante is town imo but I don't think it matters too much. She's town anyway at the end of the day.

I wound up hardshoving her in Happy Face after she had a mental breakdown in response to my vote on her

[Faker]

Flow trap you also appear to have missed 75% of that post you quoted from, I would like to hear about the rest of it.

[Faker]

Datisi, I could not remember why I moved you up. I almost forgot to answer, suddenly remembered you asked, then went back and revisited.

I could not reverse engineer myself and realize why I moved you up. Back to null you go!

[Faker]

Oh it was for the posts around sheeping IV.

But now I'm tired, moving you around constantly is a lot of walking and reads are heavy. You can stay in null.

[Faker]

VOTE: Cakez

Not thrilled with that explanation from flow, and think that flow trap has had reads (on IV?) that I thought were arbitrarily strong/working backwards, but right now I'd rather go here. The minute I got the ingratiating feeling from Cakez he nosedived in my mind.

[Faker]

are there specific quotes where you feel like [Cakez] he's trying to pocket/please people?

That feeling started when he posted this as I was catching up:

Faker we agree on most reads

I then really did not like the set of posts described here, where I felt the push on Mare was weird in its strength and the reason for not voting a copout. It made me want to flip both.

Contextually it is important to note that the moment I singled out Cakez as scum in Xenoblade was when he defended my slot for little to no reason. This never really made it into the main thread except in passing, as he had other players tunneling him and I did not publicly post until after the fact (I just told my hydra partner, catboi, about it)

With this in mind, Cakez's attack on Pooky for the read on me made no sense to me and struck a similar chord, because Pooky's vote made

total sense

.

Finally this kind of put me over the edge:

Here I'll sheep IV on this because I do think this is like 99% scum and I'd rather get someone obviously scum out of the game then let them sit around
VOTE: midwaybear

[Faker]

Faker, what did you think of catboi's early read on me.

I have spoken a few times about how I did not really like it. I didn't think your original posts gave much. It's really going to get revisited as part of my meta project on you when I have the time.

[Faker]

I really am not a fan of the current midwaybear vote. I am putting off revisiting the slot and doing the legwork as the catchup already took a lot out of me in conjunction with grad school applications+vacation/travel but I would really prefer Cakez or flow trap at the moment.

[Faker]

I initially bought the chihuahua vs. bear argument with Cakez but given the largely tonal nature of it, and knowing that there is a lot of history since that I am missing, I have grown increasingly skeptical which is why it's on my projects list to review.

[Faker]

I will get around to it when I have time. My projects take much more out of me than real-time interactions.

I would like for you to speak more about your vote on me. I think it is bizarre that you have sat on it without being more aggressive.

[Faker]

I'm not Pooky but I was sad to see the above; I saw that and my first instinct was to just not get in his way. I think it is very obvious contextually that Pooky is trying to sort skitter and pressure her to make strategic errors or spew in the event she is scum.

[Faker]

I strongly believe you should pull up the checklist of behaviors you described and directly compare rather than get hung up on my wording. For example, it might help to know that I misremembered and didn't even actually vote her, but merely suggested her as a third choice.

Fundamentally this is a process debate and nothing very relevant to this game and I am willing to skip the pedantry if it is not of interest.

[Faker]

I'm not used to playing in a position where I do not have a great holistic grasp of the game and several strong leads, and it is very uncomfortable for me to play so passively. It is not just below my standards but completely and disgustingly mediocre. To emphasize, it is very uncomfortable and unnatural for me to play this way.

I am very openly calculating and intentional in my posting when I believe I can draw something, positive or negative, from players. To borrow a phrase, I have two modes of thinking, fast and slow, with very limited in between.

If players are not slow, openly calculating, and deliberate as town, I generally consider this a flaw.

[Faker]

(And to be clear and directly answer your question, Sleepless, the implication is that I have a mile long record of the same exacting, deliberate, targeted interactions I have made here as town)

[Faker]

Datisi. I can confirm that that post is in fact a drunken mess.

[Faker]

Well northsidegal, with 1682 it looks like you won this round!

I have to write a bit today but the end of NYE celebrations+school applications means I will have more time the next week.

[Faker]

Cat if you don't carry me and vote scum I am willing to yeet you our the window

[Faker]

northsidegal I think those are supposed to be Yu-Gi-Oh! references or something but I generally only play Bejeweled Twist and when I was a kid that game where someone throws a brick directly up and you all run in a circle and try to dodge without looking so this is all over my head sorry

[Faker]

iirc the name of the game was Seeing Stars? I can't find it on Google but translating the analogy to something I am more familiar with might help

[Faker]

Not really sold on coin flipping with Sleepless; iirc the wall was fine. I realize this is funny coming from someone voting Cakez.

I disagree with virtually every word of Skitter's 1705, concurred that the NSG line was strange but didn't find it AI.

[Faker]

I do unironically want more from cat and am fine voting him if we do not get it.

[Faker]

Can people explain why they are unwilling to vote Cakez?

I saw Midway believed I was focused too much on the shared reads line, but this was a minor ping and only made me reconsider. I thought his posting around Mare was terrible. The only +town point was the Chihuahua argument, rest is almost universally awful imo

[Faker]

I don't think he was ever that strong to begin with; reads were very rote and he's been mostly just touching tonal bases all game long, even in the push on Pooky.

A lot of that is excusable because that sort of flippant and underexplained reads are just playing with Cakez, but I have liked at least one or two posts from every other player. Not true of Cakez.

[Faker]

I don't really enjoy going out of my way to track down your case post, evaluate it, engage with the post directly and explain to you what I didn't like and my reservations on the vote

And have you respond by completely ignoring my own suggested vote and request to speak on it

[Faker]

Perhaps I am overstating the degree of my explanation, but I meant what I said very literally with the opposite remark, and it was intended to be complete.

[Faker]

I will not mald. I will pet my catboi, feel his fur, and be calm. I will feel my blood pressure lower. All is right in the world. There is no need to mald. Tigers are majestic and reasonable creatures worthy of respect and grace. I will not mald.

[Faker]

There is nothing you need do, skitter. It is okay. All is right in the world of mafiascum.net.

[Faker]

The variety of criticisms, encompassing both broad commentary on holistic play and targeted responses to specific posts, signaled by a spread of quotes, post links, and descriptions, are unimportant in the grand scheme of things.

All that matters in life is NASCAR, my happy place.

[Faker]

I picture myself in Daytona. The year is 1981, and I am a young child. I am enjoying the atmosphere: the people, the lightning fast cars, the sweet food, and the great American spirit which binds it all together. Richard Petty's baby blue and red Buick, #43, is a blur every time it comes around the track. I am so enraptured and youthful that the scorching sun does not deter me from jumping with excitement every time it comes around, nor from dreaming that I might be allowed to ride in it...or drive a car of my own one day. I enjoy my vanilla ice cream, and feeling my heart race next to the cars as I watch him cross the finish line.

I am happy. I will not mald. There is no mafia game. Richard Petty is the GOAT.

[Faker]

Do you like race cars, Datisi?

[Faker]

I think contextually it should be very obvious, first given the substance of your post, and second my more direct response of 1777, that I think you have not actually read the posts I made on Cakez whatsoever.

[Faker]

I do not encourage engaging with me now about it, because I actually

will

mald instead of shitposting about it. I much prefer to just accept that you will always do shit like this, preemptively dismiss things without paying them any attention because your own instinct is more important, and just get over it in 10 minutes.

[Faker]

Do you like race cars, Datisi?

uh, they're cool, i guess

Well, I think they're the

coolest!

Aight if anyone needs me I'm gonna be playing Bejeweled Twist

[Faker]

I can definitely elaborate more later, rather than count on players to link descriptors to posts that aren't within 10 pixels of each other, but it will wait.

[Faker]

Spoiler: When skitter doesn't spend an hour on New Year's Day tracking through my disparate phone posts on Cakez

[Faker]

You gave me a reason to make art it's all okay now

[Faker]

Faker, I looked at the quotes from Cakez surrounding Mare and I do agree that him pivoting off of Mare into Pooky so quickly is a little questionable. But his explanation later on that it felt manufactured makes sense, and it also makes sense that he would jump at something smaller given that he just played in a game where Pooky was scum.

I think you're a bit out of order here; Cakez was voting Pooky, went on a posting spree about Mare's push on him being terrible and her feeling fake, and then explained that Pooky was definitely scum for the vote on me and thus he did not want to move his vote. That justification for not voting Mare is what especially stuck out to me and instinctively made me want to flip both Cakez/Mare, though I do not believe in preflips.

I believe someone asked why Pooky's vote made sense, and the answer is that twofold: First, Pooky has legitimately never seen me be so friendly and sociable in a game, and he's seen

plenty

of towngames, and second, in my mind at the time (though Pooky voiced a different opinion recently), Pooky's takeaway from a prior game was that pressuring me yielded a stronger read.

I do not expect Cakez to know the above, but I felt that his vague criticism that the vote felt manufactured did not really resonate with me, and even in a world where I accept that it might look that way, it is unclear why Pooky is "definitely scum" in his eyes and worth more of a vote than Mare who has been shoving him in bad faith, bad votes on Skitter, fake reactions, etc.

[Faker]

I should also reiterate that am I confident? Naw, not really. Cakez is limbait and I've given a lot of slots passes this game.

Do I think he's a good wagon though with what we have on the table? Absolutely.

[Faker]

I think i might be tunneled and annoyed and need to think abt this less
Or differently idk
UNVOTE:

[Faker]

VOTE: catboi

Look if he's town he thinks this game sucks and doesn't want to look at it or can't without malding and this vote won't help

Simultaneously I feel like he's a mature lad who will suppress his seething, feral rage and post a fun emote to try to win even if he hates all of us and hates all of our guts

[Faker]

Look skitter, if you really want to understand me and work cooperatively towards a win, we have to go back to the very beginning, to my childhood, to the first carving of the neural little pathways that hardened with age me into the bitter, pompous, and insufferably closeminded old boomer I am today.

In order to understand me as a mafia player, it is time for you to learn the history of NASCAR.

[Faker]

It's only a 42 minute video, shouldn't take too long

[Faker]

Look I lost all self-respect last night, chugging oatmeal mixed with Red Bull, coffee crystals, and protein soy milk out of a red solo cup, there's nowhere to go but up.

[Faker]

I have a confession

I've never watched a second of NASCAR in my life

[Faker]

r u trying to troll me into scumreading you just so you can be like "lol pooky doesnt have a 100% readrate on me anymore"

I don't understand how this is even a thought that goes through your head but you've said dumber

[Faker]

That was not lost on me, and my opinion did not change.

[Faker]

The underlying assumptions that make the joke "work" were just fucking horrendous.

[Faker]

Alright, personality even vaguely reflective of my actual one goes back in the lockbox, I want to fucking vomit on my computer

[Faker]

VOTE: catboi

[Faker]

FWIW I liked 1871 but that was getting no traction and I'm voting catboi anyway atm

[Faker]

FWIW I liked 1871 but that was getting no traction and I'm voting catboi anyway atm

does this mean you no longer scumread cakez?

I have no idea anymore. I am playing like shit, improvising my vacation schedule completely, and constantly fatigued. My headache says shut up, no one has liked any of your voted anyway, and just let whatever happens happen.

[Faker]

Turns out I'm off work today, so I'll be by in a bit~

[Faker]

This is probably the least aggressive in pushing a vote I've ever seen you Pooky. I'm not even sure who you are on ATM without going back.

[Faker]

Well, your last posts about me seemed to imply NAI and you were deeply critical of Cakez and had the bit about Skitter with Sleepless

iirc your last two posts on me had one where you said you "don't use pressure to sort players like you", which leaves it very open, and I am skeptical that you actually believe, and second the joke that I was trying to get a scumread by joking around so much wrt NASCAR. Again very open and seems nullish on the scumread spectrum.

Do you actively want me voted at the current time? If so, why?

[Faker]

(When I say the joke seemed nullish on me, the context on the scumread joke was to ruin your 100% read rate or w/e, which is humoring me doing so as town)

[Faker]

I really hate inevitable statements like that. Is that a desirable or undesirable outcome for you?

[Faker]

I 100% believe that cat is having motivation issues this game now, but the issue is that I don't believe it says much and I am not into charity.

I anticipate moving my vote when I get up and moving and my brain kicks into gear but I would not be surprised if I wound up staying put.

[Faker]

The issue skitter is that other people start to believe that statement about inevitability and acquiesce. I find it hard to believe you didn't know that and that it is unintentional.

[Faker]

Alright, time to do morning stuff, will be back and start working more rigorously/researching in a bit

[Faker]

2000 was a post Pooky, if you want me voted why the fuck have you not pushed it at all?

[Faker]

I'm not interested in fighting with you over stupid nonsense and I don't need to push you at this moment to remove your slot if I think you are mafia.

VOTE: Pooky

That is absolutely not the lesson you learned from 3992, and you are not only not pushing me but not pushing

anyone

.

I literally said your opening push on me made sense and grilled Cakez for not buying it, so don't give me nonsense about "but if I do push it then you'll just be stubborn and dismissive!"

[Faker]

in my last town game I shitpushed a town player to death on d1

then i shitpushed another town player to death on d2

then i was the game losing elim on d3.

I'm not here to impose my will on this game.

If only you had a player you had a 100% read rate to regain your confidence in shoving, that would be great

[Faker]

If only you had a player you had a 100% read rate to regain your confidence in shoving, that would be great

so are you scum or what?

Yeah dude, comb through my ISO and start shoving.

[Faker]

So for cat

Cat if you don't carry me and vote scum I am willing to yeet you our the window

why would you

ever

expect me to do that?

I get that this is likely hyperbolic and just trying to kick my butt into action but I read it at the exact wrong time

read the next few pages and had very little I want to talk about. Maybe I'll try again tomorrow. I'm not really in the mood for any more tonight.

I've spent a lot of time chewing on this post and how to respond, with 2011 as the stopgap. I'd like to offer you a verbal hand to stand up again and play some mafia. I think being roundabout is going to backfire, and I don't want any questions of good/bad faith or exploitation.

I'm going to vote you if I think you're the best vote available. I hope you won't be.

[Faker]

Okay

I knew this would be the response and I still hate you for it.

[Faker]

For clarity, what would make me "the best vote available"?

Scumread, default vote in lieu of absence of read (ex. my earlier), compromise vote over TR, etc.

Don't get your confusion here.

[Faker]

God this owns this man is about to take the most direct I can possibly be and go but THAT'S WHY IT'S BAD FAITH and I am so here for it

[Faker]

No, I expect nothing of you you absolute waste of oxygen and perpetual town hammerer, so play with your claws out

[Faker]

K I;m going to go play video games

Look you stupid motherfucker

I'm playing like absolute ass and have no reads and it feels fucking terrible. You don't make suck alone, that's the deal.

We gamethrow together in sickness and in health

[Faker]

If you want to go play video games at least make me a doublevoter so I can throw twice as hard for both of us

[Faker]

Let's fucking try this:

I can't read Datisi, I tried, you give it a shot. I will check your work and mark it up with red pen if it's wrong.

[Faker]

won't vote: dats iv mare faker andante
don't really want to vote: ss, sircakez
will vote if i have to i suppose: pooky catboi midway nsg
want to vote: sa

Think you're missing flow, who is a top choice of mine though I have no clue what to do with it+nobody bit earlier.

[Faker]

I'm working on reading SA at the moment and everyone needs to take a second to appreciate this sequence of posts from Pick Your Poison:

Enchant, is ass really the best way you can think to shorthand my name.

Assass?

Sigh

[Faker]

I'm pretty conflicted after finishing this. A few key points

-Definitely a mixup from Pick Your Poison, both in realtime and in quality of reads. Compare the quality of working through the ISO on DArby in Poison to the IV read here.
-Explanation on me/Mare in readswall feel lacking. I've been all over the place but there are definitely posts where I give a lot of substance, even if I wake up and change my mind the next day. Does the ability to understand Mare's points imply that he doesn't get those of others?
-Feel very much like I don't have a lot of info.

As a response to a point of skitter's, I do think with IV that it is very hard to

NOT

to not pick out small things and ignore the full context unfortunately.

I'm walking out of this okay with voting the slot even if I'm not jazzed.

[Faker]

I have the next hour free-ish while I get ready for work. Anyone here?

After today I'm off the next four days.

Yeah, can you elaborate on why getting Mare's points was so town to you? You've also spent a fair amount of words on my tone/playstyle but very little on the substance.

I would also like more on Cakez/Pooky. Cakez definitely looks similar as town, no doubt, but...he also looks incredibly similar to this as scum, hasn't given a ton of depth, and it's not exactly difficult to figure this out even without first hand experience.

FWIW flow trap definitely does the spam/joke posting a lot as town, though I remember ~50% of it having a purpose that isn't obvious this time around.

[Faker]

I'm going to try to look at midway bear but atm, S->T

flow trap, Pooky, Sleepless, Cakez, Mare, midwaybear, catboi, northsidegal, Datisi, skitter, innocentvillager, Something_Smart, Andante

Mare moves up with the claim I guess, should probably be higher but idk

[Faker]

I've actually liked some pieces of midway's ISO, such as 1150 unaccompanied by another vote (ie. as opposed to just leaving it on Mare and doing nothing), the flow trap read in 1338, along with the really weird line on Andante...and finally, I weirdly feel like midwaybear would have been more thorough in his response.

Lot of weird and kind of irrational things that nudge me in the +town direction. Probably not going to vote here.

[Faker]

finally, I weirdly feel like midwaybear would have been more thorough in his response to me in 1505, wary in the knowledge I was turning a skeptical eye, rather than just a simple oneliner that was destined for further questioning.

EBWOP, didn't finish this sentence.

[Faker]

I'm going to take a break to read and maybe finish my

final fucking essay for application season

, but I will be around to check in+do more. I just don't want to overwhelm the thread atm.

[Faker]

I mean, that's an invitation to go back and look at the substance [in my posts] if you're that unsure on me. If you don't think it will wind up productive, or have other slots in mind, then okay, but right now it doesn't seem like you have any slots you want to deepdive into. I don't see the value much in getting your realtime interactions in other than to avoid a vote; you're the one asking to be questioned rather than questioning others.

Cakez I went 50/50 on recently, always limbait, and Pooky I haven't seen as scum. As a player I'm very dependent on reading people in relation to their reaction to me, and Pooky just had a game with me where he beat himself up for not going directly after me and instead went on a partner goose chase. It's bizarre to me that he just sits, doesn't care to push me, and doesn't even take the time to explain why I'm scum at all after the initial vote. In contrast, multiple posts of his have implied I were town or null.

[Faker]

Mare claimed neighborizer.

[Faker]

I've really got to stop slipping before schadd whacks with me the "do better" bat

The funniest part is I said "I really don't want people to get confused over the negative, I'll capitalize and italicize" only to accidentally leave in the original and make it worse.

"I do think with IV that is is very hard to

NOT

pick out the small things and ignore the full context unfortunately", ie. picking out singular things is the only way to stay sane with IV

[Faker]

Schadd, as a bribe, I do indeed remember the game where I faked a counterpoint to your own post restriction :V

[Faker]

ok thanks .... i thought that's what you meant but there were two nots and then i got confused
if you want to wagon flow i'd be down too tbh
while i do scumread sleepless, part of me does recognize that there might be oog reasons for the things i scumread

I'm going to defer to see what others think and chew on it a bit more, and probably revisit flow trap, but I'm really not opposed to Sleepless either.

flow trap's explanation seemed to be that he knew Prism was in the game but not specifically who. I lean that this is horse hockey, because I'm pretty sure getting snowed in Iceland was deeply scarring and it would be imperative to find out, but he did townread me quite quickly in Open House so who knows?

[Faker]

i kinda do think flow just knew prism was in the game but didn't know it was you

My point here is slightly different, where I assume he is being truthful. "Iceland" in this context refers to my only scumgame of the last 4 years.

[Faker]

Rereading my own sentence, I was not clear and did not finish my point.

I thought that he would find out as town but would not care as much as scum.

[Faker]

I will say again that he did step right into the same pitfall in Open House, townreading me in like 4 pages and fortunately being right, so I'm not personally completely sold on my idea.

[Faker]

I'm pretty willing to wait and see where Sleepless goes with this. If he's not caught up and believes that to be the most important priority, then that's fine with me. I'm just not enthusiastic about emphasizing realtime, wanting to get stronger reads...and then skirting the invitation to evaluate a PoE slot of his completely rather than giving it a shot.

I'd like to see more fleshed out reasoning on slots regardless of whether it comes from a general readthrough, my ISO, or someone else's ISO.

[Faker]

Don't worry, I don't need luck!

because I write like shit regardless

[Faker]

I still don't understand why Harvard Medical School is asking me to provide a two page communist-classist interpretation of & response to Craig Morgan's "Redneck Yacht Club", but I guess they know what makes a good doctor better than I do.

[Faker]

Naming themselves the "Redneck Yacht Club", our average heroes reject the exclusivity & nobility of the modern high life, appropriating the term & dynamic for their own use and classist rebellion with like "Regular joes, rocking the boat-That's us!".

They contend that the finer things in life are not barred to the morally impoverished lower classes, and that it is in fact the opposite that is true: it is the poor with the moral high ground and rich life of mind, and the merely material wealthy will never know the true joys offered by life.

Craig Morgan presents a cohesive, country-oriented philosophy for the 21st century Deep South proletariat.

[Faker]

...You really that eager to listen to country music, Datisi?

Copyright is doing you a massive favor.

[Faker]

You, uh...You need to talk about it, man? Talk about mafia? Would that help?

[Faker]

Let's start with when you were born. Did they give you the green mitten or the red mitten after you punched your way out of the womb?

[Faker]

Good, good Datisi. I think we're getting somewhere.

Now tell me: What do you see?

[Faker]

Just one, Datisi? And are you sure that it's not a tiger chasing a car frantically trying to reverse?

And you, skitter? What do you see?

[Faker]

I also feel obligated to give credit for the tiger graphic.

Once, many years ago, a few friends and I made our completely plastered way over to a house party. With our aesthetic sensibility refined to a sharp edge, tempered by a gratuitous portion of alcohol and a ferociously pounding bassline, we were convinced this song was the greatest artistic creation of mankind since Milton's Paradise Lost, or at least the "Harambe in Upright Respose, c. 2017".



And when we woke up we discovered we weren't even slightly wrong. skitter appears at 1:59.

[Faker]

Someone make me play mafia again

[Faker]

me waiting for catboi to come back

I told you I'd leave a light on
In case you ever wanted to come back home
You smiled and said you appreciate the gesture
I took your every word to heart
'Cause I can't stand us being apart
And just to show how much I really miss ya
Every light in the house is on
The backyard's bright as the crack of dawn
The front walk looks like runway lights
It's kinda like noon in the dead of night
Every light in the house is on
Just in case you ever do get tired of being gone