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He's just voting some person for no reason and lurking and barely saying anything.In post 43, Alexcellent wrote:
Why?In post 36, Frogsterking wrote:Okay on a skim by the way I scum read Dunnstral.Bruce: Terry. I've been thinking about something you once told me... and you were wrong. It's not Batman that makes you worthwhile; it's the other way around. Never tell yourself anything different.
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In post 54, Dunnstral wrote:Frogsterking, do you think you play differently at the start of a game when you are mafia compared to when you are town?
Dunn if you want me to Town read you then get a real scum read.In post 55, Dunnstral wrote:Frogsterking, do you have any thoughts about the setup? Optimal strategy, any plans for what to do, etc.?Bruce: Terry. I've been thinking about something you once told me... and you were wrong. It's not Batman that makes you worthwhile; it's the other way around. Never tell yourself anything different.
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UNVOTE: Dunnstral
I'm starting to think Dunnstral may be a paranoid Townie and not scum.Bruce: Terry. I've been thinking about something you once told me... and you were wrong. It's not Batman that makes you worthwhile; it's the other way around. Never tell yourself anything different.
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Guilty Lion made a case and I'm going to follow it until I learn otherwise.In post 155, Alexcellent wrote:@Frogster, why Phoenix?Bruce: Terry. I've been thinking about something you once told me... and you were wrong. It's not Batman that makes you worthwhile; it's the other way around. Never tell yourself anything different.
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I think it's probably important.In post 181, Ph0enix wrote:I'm struggling to figure out why Scum chose to kill Galron of all people. I was sure Alex wasn't surviving the night, given that he was basically universally TR-ed and he had a good D1. Furthermore, Galron was on the wagon against me, so leaving him alive would make it easier for me to get eliminated today.Bruce: Terry. I've been thinking about something you once told me... and you were wrong. It's not Batman that makes you worthwhile; it's the other way around. Never tell yourself anything different.
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Nice shootin' TexIn post 188, kutiplz wrote:I shot Sara btw and I was right
Do you have any thoughts on the night kill?Bruce: Terry. I've been thinking about something you once told me... and you were wrong. It's not Batman that makes you worthwhile; it's the other way around. Never tell yourself anything different.
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I mean, Ph0enix are you assessing the night kill to be a bad choice?In post 187, Frogsterking wrote:
I think it's probably important.In post 181, Ph0enix wrote:I'm struggling to figure out why Scum chose to kill Galron of all people. I was sure Alex wasn't surviving the night, given that he was basically universally TR-ed and he had a good D1. Furthermore, Galron was on the wagon against me, so leaving him alive would make it easier for me to get eliminated today.Bruce: Terry. I've been thinking about something you once told me... and you were wrong. It's not Batman that makes you worthwhile; it's the other way around. Never tell yourself anything different.
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So it's unlikely Sara suggested the kill.In post 195, Ph0enix wrote:My point is this kill makes both me and Alex look bad, IMO. That's why I think it's a good kill.Bruce: Terry. I've been thinking about something you once told me... and you were wrong. It's not Batman that makes you worthwhile; it's the other way around. Never tell yourself anything different.
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I'm blanking a little bit.In post 199, Ph0enix wrote:
Given your vote and this post I'm assuming you think Alex had an alternative. Who would that be?Frogsterking wrote:Unless you think Alex didnt have any great alternatives.Bruce: Terry. I've been thinking about something you once told me... and you were wrong. It's not Batman that makes you worthwhile; it's the other way around. Never tell yourself anything different.
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Actually I can't find shit to read for in this game. I need to look at more than just the night killIn post 191, Frogsterking wrote:
I mean, Ph0enix are you assessing the night kill to be a bad choice?In post 187, Frogsterking wrote:
I think it's probably important.In post 181, Ph0enix wrote:I'm struggling to figure out why Scum chose to kill Galron of all people. I was sure Alex wasn't surviving the night, given that he was basically universally TR-ed and he had a good D1. Furthermore, Galron was on the wagon against me, so leaving him alive would make it easier for me to get eliminated today.Bruce: Terry. I've been thinking about something you once told me... and you were wrong. It's not Batman that makes you worthwhile; it's the other way around. Never tell yourself anything different.
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Dunn's meta read is wrong and bad. That's the extent of my thoughts on it. I think they wasted their time I guess.In post 218, Ph0enix wrote:@Frogster: 1. Thoughts on Dunn's meta read on you in 63? 2. Could you walk me through your voting pattern, and more specifically me --> GL --> Alex?
I switched onto Alex instead of GL because I read Alex's D1 iso and realized it's much worse than I expected. I thought you seemed townie in the thread earlier when you were asking me questions so I was deciding between those two.
I don't see my D1 ph0enix vote as having any connection with the GL -> Alex series.Bruce: Terry. I've been thinking about something you once told me... and you were wrong. It's not Batman that makes you worthwhile; it's the other way around. Never tell yourself anything different.
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This is an issue, do you feel like you have a clear grasp on the concept of deductive reasoning?In post 218, Ph0enix wrote:and I don't even know what 203 is supposed to mean.Bruce: Terry. I've been thinking about something you once told me... and you were wrong. It's not Batman that makes you worthwhile; it's the other way around. Never tell yourself anything different.
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Yeah I can point out a few things I sawIn post 221, Ph0enix wrote:Could you elaborate?Bruce: Terry. I've been thinking about something you once told me... and you were wrong. It's not Batman that makes you worthwhile; it's the other way around. Never tell yourself anything different.
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In post 68, Alexcellent wrote:So I feel pretty good about Dunnstral as town. Will probably wait to see how Frogster reacts though but yeah, those are some good call outs. Idk why scum!Frogster jumps in with that vote though unless he's scum with Bambi, but I don't reeeally like connecting those dots this early.In post 72, Alexcellent wrote:I may not have stuck to my guns on that scum read D1 and ended up paying for it since town lost, so I may have a bit of paranoia there about her play in general. But that Dunnstral vote gives me legit the same vibe I got from the last mini with Elsa/Bambi.
These posts caught my attention by showing Alex fence-sitting and being noncommittal and cagey. Like wtf is he even stating in any of these posts. These posts are a superficial illusion of sharing thoughts.In post 143, Alexcellent wrote:I've read back through the GL/Phoenix stuff a few times and yeah, I dunno. I at least think it's not a Phoenix/GL scum team. And I kinda feel that it's not a GL/Galron scum team either so that's neat. There's stuff in there that I dislike but it's probably more that I disagree with so I'm just going to roll with the idea that it's probably TvT.Bruce: Terry. I've been thinking about something you once told me... and you were wrong. It's not Batman that makes you worthwhile; it's the other way around. Never tell yourself anything different.
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Yeah I was referring to process of eliminationIn post 224, Ph0enix wrote:
Oh, you mean "eliminate" as in by process of elimination, I thought you meant "eliminate" as "vote off".In post 222, Frogsterking wrote:
This is an issue, do you feel like you have a clear grasp on the concept of deductive reasoning?In post 218, Ph0enix wrote:and I don't even know what 203 is supposed to mean.Bruce: Terry. I've been thinking about something you once told me... and you were wrong. It's not Batman that makes you worthwhile; it's the other way around. Never tell yourself anything different.
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Here:In post 221, Ph0enix wrote:Could you elaborate?
In post 226, Frogsterking wrote:In post 68, Alexcellent wrote:So I feel pretty good about Dunnstral as town. Will probably wait to see how Frogster reacts though but yeah, those are some good call outs. Idk why scum!Frogster jumps in with that vote though unless he's scum with Bambi, but I don't reeeally like connecting those dots this early.In post 72, Alexcellent wrote:I may not have stuck to my guns on that scum read D1 and ended up paying for it since town lost, so I may have a bit of paranoia there about her play in general. But that Dunnstral vote gives me legit the same vibe I got from the last mini with Elsa/Bambi.
These posts caught my attention by showing Alex fence-sitting and being noncommittal and cagey. Like wtf is he even stating in any of these posts. These posts are a superficial illusion of sharing thoughts.In post 143, Alexcellent wrote:I've read back through the GL/Phoenix stuff a few times and yeah, I dunno. I at least think it's not a Phoenix/GL scum team. And I kinda feel that it's not a GL/Galron scum team either so that's neat. There's stuff in there that I dislike but it's probably more that I disagree with so I'm just going to roll with the idea that it's probably TvT.Bruce: Terry. I've been thinking about something you once told me... and you were wrong. It's not Batman that makes you worthwhile; it's the other way around. Never tell yourself anything different.
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UNVOTE: alex 232 is bad enough to make me reconsider.Bruce: Terry. I've been thinking about something you once told me... and you were wrong. It's not Batman that makes you worthwhile; it's the other way around. Never tell yourself anything different.
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You're jumping to a lot of conclusions and seem biased against reasons to trust me and vote Alex. For example you're greatly overvaluing Dunn's meta case which doesn't use a sufficiently large sample size to support its conclusion. You also made a couple concrete errors in your assessments of this game. For example you said I implied all Alex has done is fence sit and I think you'll have trouble quoting where I actually implied that.In post 249, GuiltyLion wrote:This is not a useful response, what specifically do you dislike about my post
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Because I'm statistically more likely to be telling you the truth.In post 256, GuiltyLion wrote:a) what are the reasons to trust you? I reread the game and really didn't find anyBruce: Terry. I've been thinking about something you once told me... and you were wrong. It's not Batman that makes you worthwhile; it's the other way around. Never tell yourself anything different.
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The problem is that this observation isn't AI. You're jumping to the conclusion that it must be AI even though you're clearly aware of the dangers of drawing conclusions based off a small sample size.In post 256, GuiltyLion wrote:, it does look like in your most recent town games you had a more broad focus on the entire playerlistBruce: Terry. I've been thinking about something you once told me... and you were wrong. It's not Batman that makes you worthwhile; it's the other way around. Never tell yourself anything different.
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Alex is my best scum read so far by a mile. I also am optimistic because I think there is a lot of AI information being posted. If you can find it in your heart to trust me then I believe my vote is good enough to sheep.In post 262, kutiplz wrote:Uhhhh what am I supposed to doBruce: Terry. I've been thinking about something you once told me... and you were wrong. It's not Batman that makes you worthwhile; it's the other way around. Never tell yourself anything different.
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Parallel communication (information in clumps rather than serialized) and communicating like giving a monologue (instead of having a back and forth) are exactly what I'm accusing Alex of doing D2 by the way.Bruce: Terry. I've been thinking about something you once told me... and you were wrong. It's not Batman that makes you worthwhile; it's the other way around. Never tell yourself anything different.
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I don't see how this could possibly annoy you. Maybe I'm misunderstanding what you wrote.In post 271, ceejayvinoya wrote:It also annoyed me how he only started casing alex after singling him out via process of elimination on 203 and 204.Bruce: Terry. I've been thinking about something you once told me... and you were wrong. It's not Batman that makes you worthwhile; it's the other way around. Never tell yourself anything different.
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And on the same note (the rest of 271), it looks like your reasons for scum reading Alex are based directly on his play, whereas your reasons for scum reading me have more to do with you than they do with my play.In post 272, Frogsterking wrote:
I don't see how this could possibly annoy you. Maybe I'm misunderstanding what you wrote.In post 271, ceejayvinoya wrote:It also annoyed me how he only started casing alex after singling him out via process of elimination on 203 and 204.Bruce: Terry. I've been thinking about something you once told me... and you were wrong. It's not Batman that makes you worthwhile; it's the other way around. Never tell yourself anything different.
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In post 272, Frogsterking wrote:
I don't see how this could possibly annoy you. Maybe I'm misunderstanding what you wrote.In post 271, ceejayvinoya wrote:It also annoyed me how he only started casing alex after singling him out via process of elimination on 203 and 204.
Can you please elaborate on both of these comments, ceejay?In post 274, ceejayvinoya wrote:Arghh this would have been so much easier if you were like this day 1.Bruce: Terry. I've been thinking about something you once told me... and you were wrong. It's not Batman that makes you worthwhile; it's the other way around. Never tell yourself anything different.
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I understand what you're referring to now. No worries, that's not what I'm doing.In post 276, ceejayvinoya wrote: It's just that usually when I roll mafia I look for the lowest hanging fruit/the one who looks town the least and vote there.Bruce: Terry. I've been thinking about something you once told me... and you were wrong. It's not Batman that makes you worthwhile; it's the other way around. Never tell yourself anything different.
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I have no problem getting hammered today..assumimg Alex is the one to do it, of course.Bruce: Terry. I've been thinking about something you once told me... and you were wrong. It's not Batman that makes you worthwhile; it's the other way around. Never tell yourself anything different.
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Dun Dun DunnnnnIn post 283, Alexcellent wrote: I am fine with this.
UNVOTE: Frogster
This smells a lot like desperate last minute scum play so I'm even more confident in a red flip here now. Kuti or Ceejay, you're free to vote and I will hammer.Bruce: Terry. I've been thinking about something you once told me... and you were wrong. It's not Batman that makes you worthwhile; it's the other way around. Never tell yourself anything different.
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In post 286, Alexcellent wrote:Is this a flail? What are you doing?
It's ceejay. We're death tunneling each other because we're both unafraid to post in the game thread. Guilty Lion is spinning their wheels because they lost confidence in their early read on Phoenix.In post 287, Frogsterking wrote:Gamesolving
Ceejay voted Alex to pocket me and because Alex was pretty openly suspicious of Phoenix on D2. Ceejays stuff about my D2 being better than my D1 and the annoyance at me using PoE is just fake angst.Bruce: Terry. I've been thinking about something you once told me... and you were wrong. It's not Batman that makes you worthwhile; it's the other way around. Never tell yourself anything different.
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No, I want you to unvote. I want you to hammer me ceejay.Bruce: Terry. I've been thinking about something you once told me... and you were wrong. It's not Batman that makes you worthwhile; it's the other way around. Never tell yourself anything different.
Terry: ...Thanks.- Frogsterking
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Bruce: Terry. I've been thinking about something you once told me... and you were wrong. It's not Batman that makes you worthwhile; it's the other way around. Never tell yourself anything different.
Terry: ...Thanks.- Frogsterking
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Hey this was a good game everyone, thank you for playing. I'm very glad Town came out ahead on this one. I had a good read on Alex for most of D2 but I was thoroughly thrown off by the strength of their reply after I requested they hammer.Bruce: Terry. I've been thinking about something you once told me... and you were wrong. It's not Batman that makes you worthwhile; it's the other way around. Never tell yourself anything different.
Terry: ...Thanks. - Frogsterking
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