Sid Meier's Civilization 5 UPick Mafia (GAME OVER)

[Joey_]

@Baju something : How good of a player are you ? Whats your experience in mafia games etc, you look like a very confident slot for being this new to the genre. Could you rate you town and scum play on 10 ?

I have played maybe 2 games of real life mafia. That was something like 6 years ago. It was an introduction to the wonderful world of social deduction games.
I have played forum mafia for around 2-3 years. It was a lot less than on this site. This site is a goddamn heaven for someone like me.

For the past 2-3 years also I have played a looooooooot of other real life social deduction games. Resistance/Avalon, secret hitler, ultimate werewolf, spyfall, etc.

I'd say in forum mafia I'm pretty bad at scum. Haven't rolled it enough to really analyze my play based on results. Probably 4/10.
I like to think I'm a decent town player. Though that's where most strategy conflicts occur lol. I rarely find people who look at things the same way I do. Admittedly I tend to use WIFOM quite a bit but that's because of how I approach scumhunting. Don't want to get into it right now. Anyway maybe 8/10.
I like to analyze. I'm just not always good at getting people to townread me. Not that I should care as town, but it still is a flaw in some games when people don't vote with you because they can't trust you and you all end up losing.

I mean I'm a pretty confident guy but I've recently been telling myself to trust my reads more so there's a bit more confidence in my recent games than in the past. That came about because of a combination of a few games where I was right about my early reads and kind of just dropped them or trusted someone else because I didn't get support, and instances where lack of confidence and flip flopping got me scumread.

i agree somewhat, that the Creature lynch is not as informative as it could be. it's like lynching a cop guilty. i don't think anyone would be arguing for leaving a guilty alive. perhaps it's different for players like Titus who don't want to rely on meta or players who just don't know him.
i am reminded of the "town winrates go down when scum is lynched day 1" theory. it's interesting.

would still rather lynch essentially confirmed scum. seeing a scum role would be useful to tell us about the setup and remove a night factor. i've waited to lynch scum Creature before on the insistence of other players and it didn't really help anything because he doesn't post.
i guess leaving him alive would be fine if a vig shoots him.

I accept that people will disagree with me. What I don't accept is when people think my ideas are wrong but their reasons why aren't convincing or you can obviously tell they don't even read your arguments. Most of the time people just think you're stupid because they are too closed-minded to consider they could be wrong. Especially when they have a few wins to backup their 'strategy', they think that anecdotal evidence proves them right.

Sorry for going off the rails a little bit. I am writing while thinking about a real life friend who drives me nuts with his arguments every time.


-pedit: by all means I'm not going to oppose the town consensus, not when I've never played with the guy, but I'm going to make my objections known , if creature is the way to go, so be it.

ty this help me you read in context

[BuJaber]

i assume that means you can see i read your arguments and/or i am convincing? :>

Yes

[BuJaber]

Funnily enough on a different site I recently lost a scumgame because I was stubbornly sticking to what I honestly thought was the correct play for town and I got mad because in my mind I was 100% convinced I'd have argued the same way as town.

I could just be an idiot though

Anyway..
Any thoughts on Kiana? Anyone played with her before?

[Venmar]

Votecount 1.10

[1]

Varsoon:

Elbirn

[4]

Nero Cain:

BuJaber, Shaziro, Ranmaru, Gamma Emerald

[0] Kiana Kaslana:

[0] brassherald:

[0] Bujaber:

[0] Kokichi Oma:

[5]

creature:

Kokichi Oma, Nero Cain, Almost50, Chara, marshy

[0] Chara:

[0] Elbirn:

[3]

Gamma Emerald:

ActionDan, Creature, Klazam

[4]

Klazam:

pidgey, Varsoon, Titus, Jodaxq

[0] Titus:

[0] Shaziro:

[0] ActionDan:

[1]

Joey_:

Dunkerdoodles

[0] Dunkerdoodles:

[0] pidgey:

[0] jodaxq:

[0] almost50:

[0] marshy:

[0] ranmaru:

NOT VOTING

:

• Kiana Kaslana, Joey_, brassherald

NOTES

:

• With
  [21]
  alive, it takes
  [11]
  votes to lynch.
  
• Deadline is in (expired on 2018-03-16 22:30:00).
  
• Deadline is on Friday,
  16 March @ 10:30 PM PST
  / Saturday,
  17 March @ 1:30 AM EST
  
  
• brassherald
  is a mod-confirmed

Innocent Child

Kiana Kaslana

is V/LA

[/list]

World Congress

Voting for a Congress Host (Update 1.8)

Spoiler: Delegates Cast (19)

[0] Varsoon:

[0] Nero Cain:

[0] Kiana Kaslana:

[7]

brassherald:

Nero Cain (1), Shaziro (1), Chara (1), Jodaxq (1), Gamma Emerald (1), ranmaru (1), ActionDan (1)

[0] Bujaber:

[3]

Kokichi Oma:

Kokichi Oma (1), Dunkerdoodles (1), Joey_ (1)

[0] creature:

[0] Chara:

[3]

Elbirn:

Elbirn (1), Bujaber (1), Varsoon (1)

[0] Gamma Emerald:

[1]

Klazam:

Klazam (1)

[4]

Titus:

Titus (1), marshy (1), pidgey (1), brassherald (1)

[0] Shaziro:

[0] ActionDan:

[0] Joey_:

[0] Dunkerdoodles:

[0] pidgey:

[0] jodaxq:

[1]

almost50:

almost50 (1)

[0] marshy:

[0] ranmaru:

Spoiler: Delegates Not Yet Cast (2)

Kiana Kaslana (1), Creature (1)

NOTES

:

None as of right now.

[Chara]

Anyway..
Any thoughts on Kiana? Anyone played with her before?

everyone she said hello to in her first post.
why Kiana? she's been V/LA and has not done anything.

[Creature]

Titus. Creature is posting elsewhere.

Pretty sure yesterday I had no internet, so no.

[brassherald]

Anyway..
Any thoughts on Kiana? Anyone played with her before?

everyone she said hello to in her first post.
why Kiana? she's been V/LA and has not done anything.

I think it's just trying to get an idea on a new player. I was also briefly in a Kiana game where both of us have replaced out and is ongoing so I can't say anything about the game itself.

I doubt she really likes me at all, though.

[brassherald]

Titus. Creature is posting elsewhere.

Pretty sure yesterday I had no internet, so no.

Please cast a delegate vote.

[Chara]

alright. it's not just yesterday i'm referring to, but ok. glad you have your internet back.
catch up and/or do something and i'll see you're town, no problem.

pedit: also that.

[Chara]

brass: you shouldn't talk about ongoing games period. i'd rather know why Bujaber is interested in Kiana, not you, though. :>

[Creature]

Titus. Creature is posting elsewhere.

Pretty sure yesterday I had no internet, so no.

Please cast a delegate vote.

Who do you recommend?

[Gamma Emerald]

Titus. Creature is posting elsewhere.

Pretty sure yesterday I had no internet, so no.

Please cast a delegate vote.

Who do you recommend?

Titus

[brassherald]

Titus. Creature is posting elsewhere.

Pretty sure yesterday I had no internet, so no.

Please cast a delegate vote.

Who do you recommend?

Titus

Agreed

[Creature]

Why Titus over brassherald?

[Gamma Emerald]

Why Titus over brassherald?

Because brass is already locked as host, we just need to lock Titus as runner-up, your vote will do it

[brassherald]

Why Titus over brassherald?

A vote for Titus will assure that we have myself as host, Titus as runner up. Then Kiana just needs to use her delegate as soon as she returns to kick it off.

I don't want the last one to possibly tie up the runner up and find out what happens if there are two runnerups.

[Shaziro]

Catching up now after yesterday having been my D&D night. Kokichi isn't getting WC Host, ideally. Not sure how I feel about Titus having it, but it's really a choice between her and Elbirn, soooo. Yeah. No Kokichi pls. I can see Klazam and Almost being scum together, Klazam's post on why he's townreading Almost came off to me as trying to make absolutely sure that the townread on his scum partner was justified in the minds of town, to avoid it biting him in the ass later.

Creature is obviously scum.Creature's scum meta is 100% clear, and this is it. Creature needs to go. Waiting won't give us any associatives, he isn't going to -say- anything or -do- anything. He's just going to sit around and prodge in thread, and then at night if he has a scum PR he'll use it. It is infinitely more beneficial to town to lynch Creature. I'm not sure where the wagons are at for lynch votes or I'd have thrown mine on Creature, but I want to make sure we've got WC sorted before a lynch.

[Creature]

HEAL: Titus

[Creature]

Someone still think yesterday was AI?

[Gamma Emerald]

btw Creature why are you still voting me if you still intend to?

[Creature]

Don't intend to.

UNVOTE:

[Gamma Emerald]

Actually, why were you even voting me in the first place?

[Shaziro]

i agree somewhat, that the Creature lynch is not as informative as it could be. it's like lynching a cop guilty. i don't think anyone would be arguing for leaving a guilty alive. perhaps it's different for players like Titus who don't want to rely on meta or players who just don't know him.
i am reminded of the "town winrates go down when scum is lynched day 1" theory. it's interesting.

would still rather lynch essentially confirmed scum. seeing a scum role would be useful to tell us about the setup and remove a night factor. i've waited to lynch scum Creature before on the insistence of other players and it didn't really help anything because he doesn't post.
i guess leaving him alive would be fine if a vig shoots him.

posts like this are the reason I townread Chara so goddamn hard. We have the -exact- same thought process for this.

[Maestro]

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[Maestro]

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