Mini 1993 - Earthbound Mafia: Giygas' Curse - GAME OVER

[Gamma Emerald]

Votecount 2.4

(5) Almost50: Carrot and Stick, Mathdino, BuJaber, Kthxbye, Momrangal
(2) Carrot and Stick: Not_Mafia, Almost50
(2) Not_Mafia: the worst, Beefster

(2) Not voting: InfernoBrafin, acryon

(expired on 2018-03-18 14:15:00)
With 11 alive it takes 6 to lynch

[the worst]

James

We already have Mastina in perpetual catch-up mode
Why
Just why

[InfernoBrafin]

Brafin:

EWBOP: Please.

Inferno:

Just answer the question please.

[the worst]

Gosh darn Gamma 2gd

[Mathdino]

Also, does everyone generally agree with this information? And would he same associations be available without the coming night?

Brafin:

@Math: Not from A50's first post. He goes after Acryon in literally the first breath he takes, then goes silent. A50 could be, imo, trying to shade Acryon/make him look like a scumbuddy (Assuming that A50!scum)
@All: I know this is kind of sucky, but could we put off the lynch for a few days? I could really use the time to get this flowchart together.

pouncing on your scumbuddy based around a shitty tell is a really nice way to get towncred
like you're assuming 3rd level play when they could literally just be a scumteam

1st level: A50 is scum trying to push town acryon based on shit reasoning.
2nd level: A50 is scum with acryon trying to look like he's pushing town acryon to distance from him.
3rd level: A50 is scum trying to make acryon look like his scumbuddy by acting like scum distancing.

like, okay, great, all of these scenarios are possible
i don't think 3rd level is particularly more likely than anything else
they're definitely a workable scumteam by VCA

[the worst]

Inferno and James I'd encourage you guys to catch up but continually posting as though the last 1500 posts haven't happened is more likely to cause uninformed opinions to be thrown around

Just keep making notes/flowchart it or w/e and share once you've caught up

[Mathdino]

Also, does everyone generally agree with this information? And would he same associations be available without the coming night?

EBWOP: I don't know what you mean by this at all, sorry.

Brafin:

Great. In that case, I'm going to move for a bold action. Please pardon if this comes off a little harsh or arrogant:

Everyone unvote and minimize posting. Now. Right this second.

This prevents A) A quickhammer from stupid town or scum and B) it lowers the incoming posts, making it easier for me to catch up. Previously we had points where we got 3-4 PAGES in an hour, and if I'm going to catch up, that's just not going to work.

A. we lynch scumhammers even if A50 flips scum tbh
hammering your partner is classic

B. i mean sure
i'm still going to respond to things as they come though

i currently need to make sure not_mafia is on board with motion detecting marangal
and that beefster and mastina are good blocking each other

do keep in mind that if someone hammers, you have the entire night to catch up, which one could argue is significantly better
i don't see a world where i push another lynch today, sorry

[Mathdino]

for what it's worth i'm townreading this tryhardness

[the worst]

TBH I really wanna see this flowchart

[acryon]

Inferno and James I'd encourage you guys to catch up but continually posting as though the last 1500 posts haven't happened is more likely to cause uninformed opinions to be thrown around

Just keep making notes/flowchart it or w/e and share once you've caught up

Yeah this is probably best. But I do think we should wait to hear what they have to add, especially since it's a slot not set to be protected.

do keep in mind that if someone hammers, you have the entire night to catch up, which one could argue is significantly better
i don't see a world where i push another lynch today, sorry

Unless they get NK'd.

[InfernoBrafin]

Inferno:

Math, answer my questions.
1) Will this flip allow us to lynch by associative tomorrow, regardless of flip?
2) Will we require the night's actions to make a lynch by association?
3) Does everyone agree with your response on 1) if it is yes?

And I'm asking someone to unvote for just a second, because I'm actually trying to do something here.

[Kthxbye]

UNVOTE:

Enjoy the catchup

[Kthxbye]

Wanna see this flow chart as well

[Mathdino]

Math, answer my questions.
1) Will this flip allow us to lynch by associative tomorrow, regardless of flip?
2) Will we require the night's actions to make a lynch by association?
3) Does everyone agree with your response on 1) if it is yes?

what
i already answered all of these, you're just not caught up on the last 10 pages of discussion lol

1. A50 scum likely means scum in {N_M, acryon, Beefster} but it will honestly depend on whether a kill goes through
A50 town means we lynch mastina, and kthx looks significantly worse

2. we have like 7 directable power roles, of course we're going to use those
the primary goal however is stopping the nightkill

3. i haven't seen anyone really disagree with any of this
mastina is obviously not going to agree to being lynched on A50 townflip but whatever

[Mathdino]

Inferno and James I'd encourage you guys to catch up but continually posting as though the last 1500 posts haven't happened is more likely to cause uninformed opinions to be thrown around

Just keep making notes/flowchart it or w/e and share once you've caught up

Yeah this is probably best. But I do think we should wait to hear what they have to add, especially since it's a slot not set to be protected.

do keep in mind that if someone hammers, you have the entire night to catch up, which one could argue is significantly better
i don't see a world where i push another lynch today, sorry

Unless they get NK'd.

COUNTERPOINT: if they get NK'd
1. they don't have to catch up
2. scum has just removed someone from our lynchpool

i'd call it a win-win but it's really just a win for town

[InfernoBrafin]

Inferno:

A) Next question: Is everyone okay with an A50 lynch?
B) You probably won't want us dead after today.

Also, Mathdino, I know I'm being irritating. But humor me. I just want to see all the information before our slot decides to do anything rash.

[Mathdino]

you're not being irritating it's fine
as long as you're not nitpicking my word choice we're good

A. we brought him to L-1, and any of {the worst, IB} is likely available as a hammer (the rest are probably just scum tbh)
B. cool sounds good

[InfernoBrafin]

Inferno:

lol.

Okay, I'm not sure how many days we've got left before we have to lynch, but until then, everyone consider ALL the outcomes of the flip and what they mean, and then partnerhunt based on that information. Just to be extra safe. And explore all our options, not just the ones that MD are giving. I trust them, but I want as much for town to work off of as possible. Reread and gather new info, bounce ideas off each other, whatever. I don't care. Just don't lynch yet.

I claim the right to hammer this wagon, and I will do so with as little time remaining as humanly possible. If ANYONE hammers before this slot does, they are scum as should be lynched tomorrow.

[InfernoBrafin]

EBWOP: Oh, and you can take him back to L-1 now. Just nobody lynch.

[Mathdino]

we have 11 days

please don't stall out the game entirely

catch up asap

the longer we wait, the more likely that

A. people settle on a bad lynch
B. everyone loses interest in the game and D3 becomes a lurkerfest

is 3 days or so reasonable

[InfernoBrafin]

EBWOP on EBWOP: Yeah, we have plenty of time. There is no reason to be lynching for a good while yet.

P-edit: No, to maximize the usefulness of this move, we need to use up as much time as possible and gather as much info as possible. Trust me, it will be worth it. You might have to rethink your gamebreaking plan tho.

[InfernoBrafin]

I'm caught up, it's just James trying to do a reread. But trust me, if we stall out the game today to gather reads, it'll be super helpful to us in the long run.

[Mathdino]

EBWOP on EBWOP: Yeah, we have plenty of time. There is no reason to be lynching for a good while yet.

P-edit: No, to maximize the usefulness of this move, we need to use up as much time as possible and gather as much info as possible. Trust me, it will be worth it. You might have to rethink your gamebreaking plan tho.

if this means you're gonna claim and add to the plan, great

but just remember that longer days and longer deadlines tend to hurt town (this is generally agreed and has been shown)

when i say "we have 11 days" i mean that as a bad thing

games on MS used to not have deadlines at all, but then games stalled out, so mods implemented deadlines as a means of helping town

tl;dr: we're not taking the entire 11 days

[acryon]

EBWOP on EBWOP: Yeah, we have plenty of time. There is no reason to be lynching for a good while yet.

P-edit: No, to maximize the usefulness of this move, we need to use up as much time as possible and gather as much info as possible. Trust me, it will be worth it. You might have to rethink your gamebreaking plan tho.

if this means you're gonna claim and add to the plan, great

but just remember that longer days and longer deadlines tend to hurt town (this is generally agreed and has been shown)

when i say "we have 11 days" i mean that as a bad thing

games on MS used to not have deadlines at all, but then games stalled out, so mods implemented deadlines as a means of helping town

tl;dr: we're not taking the entire 11 days

Echoing this.

Also Mastina missed a whole day, so good luck avoiding a wall-fest in the next 12 hours.

[the worst]

Also Mastina missed a whole day, so good luck avoiding a wall-fest in the next 12 hours.

i just threw up in my mouth a little