Newbie 1859 (Game Over)

[eth0s]

hey, maybe if you hadn't written a super ambiguous but intriguing post and then went MIA for over two days, you wouldn't come back to confusion.

I'm even less confused than I am concerned with you scumreading me. Not re-reading due to confusion, re-reading so that I can gather my thoughts and be productive. I keep having irl shit coming up and keeping me from being able to do what I want to do for this game. If I don't have a chance by tonight to give a worthy post then I'm just gonna replace out.

[ofrhz]

Interesting that you want to narrow the options down to a post on the first page or one of a series of posts you made preceding my post. Why are you trying to control the narrative like that?

lol what. You realize if you came back and simply said you weren’t referring to either of these posts, then my so-called attempt to control the narrative would fall apart instantly right?

Furthermore, your attempt to portray my question as anything other than intended purely for clarification implodes once you realize that I never tried to speculate any further about what you were trying to say. I was patiently waiting for you to come back and explain yourself in whatever way you wish.

Are you interested in answering my question? Or are you just throwing things around to see what sticks?
VOTE: Drixx

I didn't say

If, and ONLY if

which would need to be the situation for what you're pushing here.

Not to be a bother about logic, but your original statement was: if ofrhz = scum, then Oxy = scum. So then, if Oxy =/= scum, then ofrhz =/= scum by invoking the contrapositive.

[ruru]

ofrhz - towny on his own, I don't like his play that much after the scumteam of Oxy/ofrhz has been mentioned, though.

Does Oxy/ofrhz being a meme actually make them more suspicious though? What makes you suspect ofrhz more than before?

Did Drixx's post on Oxy/ofrhz make sense to you?

[Oxy]

hey, maybe if you hadn't written a super ambiguous but intriguing post and then went MIA for over two days, you wouldn't come back to confusion.

I'm even less confused than I am concerned with you scumreading me. Not re-reading due to confusion, re-reading so that I can gather my thoughts and be productive. I keep having irl shit coming up and keeping me from being able to do what I want to do for this game. If I don't have a chance by tonight to give a worthy post then I'm just gonna replace out.

oh, lol. This post was directed at drixx, but I guess it could have been targeted at you, too~~~~~~~

[Oxy]

Okay, team town (Ruru, Ofrhz, Skitter30), I think it would behoove us to coordinate our pressure. My preference for targets would be, in order, Eth0s, Drixx, Sajj, NSG. That's not in order of scumminess, but rather of priority. I would be happy with any of them! Ofrhz seems to prefer drixx. Ruru and I are already on Eth0s.

Plan? I think we should put them at L-1, give them 24 hours to post something that isn't garbage, and then hammer them if they don't. End of day is not really all that far away, and right now I'm worried that we're going to disperse to our own corners and sit on our thumbs.

Thoughts?

P.S. @Pinturicchio I'm not giving you a team jersey yet, but you can drop the hammer if/when it becomes appropriate.

[Oxy]

Not to be a bother about logic, but your original statement was: if ofrhz = scum, then Oxy = scum. So then, if Oxy =/= scum, then ofrhz =/= scum by invoking the contrapositive.

I knew I should have taken a logic course in college. I had to use google to figure out why this is true.

[ruru]

I was thinking about moving my vote after the weekend passed because it was looking like we wouldn't get anything from eth0s either way, but we still have a week so I'm willing to try once more.

About the priority list, I think maybe it should not be decided now. If we decide now, anyone low or absent from the list will not feel any pressure.

Not particularly related to priority order, I would really like to see NSG post reads today.

[Oxy]

Oh, that's MY priority list. Think of it like a suggestion. If two of you are like, Oxy, we'd like to pressure NSG, I'll be there with you in a snap.

[Oxy]

and yeah, my priority list is not set in stone. Everyone on that list is somewhere between light scum read (read: nearly null) and null.

[Oxy]

ebwop: except for Sajj. That girl be scum.

[pinturicchio]

Here's something funny: the last time I ate pesto I got intoxicated; this was on February of 2017. I said I would never eat pesto again because I started to feel nauseous everytime I smelled it. Today I ate pesto again, and I got intoxicated yet again... Listen to your body, kids.

I'll catch up tomorrow since I'm going to be in bed, but for what I've seen since I conf!towned Oxy:
@Oxy: I don't like too much your team town. I like your case on skitter but I have to make my own read on her to convince myself; ruru is giving me better vibes but that could be coordinated with her partner, sometimes it feels she is being coached; and obviously, I want my jersey please... But I'm with you about ofrhz now, and if I had to build my own dream team right now, even if I'm not fully convinced on skitter, the only change would be ruru for eth0s. I know you will hate me for this, but pleeeeease trust me on this. And about your target's preference: my own target preference now is Drixx and Scioness, in that order. Yesssss I have my new conspiracy theory on the way.

What I'm trying to say is basically my readlist:
Townreads: Oxy and ofrhz
Townlean: skitter30 and eth0s
Null: NSG
Scumlean: ruru
SCUMTEAM: Drixx and Scioness

Won't vote tho, I don't like voting without explaining and as I said, food poisoning will delay this until tomorrow.

[Oxy]

@pinturicchio Ack! Feel better!

I really don't know if I want to hear another conspiracy story unless it's about me. However, the "pleeeeease trust me" pings me super hard as not coming from a scum mindset. That's not necessarily the same thing as coming from a town mindset, but I can't really see scum!pin trying to protect scumpartner!eth0s with a "pleeeeease"

team town is good enough for today, and I'm a firm believer that you go to lynch with the town you have, not the town you might want or wish to have at a later date.

[Oxy]

follow up: Even working under the assumption that I have given scum!ruru a town pass for the day, she is willing to work with me. As the old adage goes, "I won't lynch you until tomorrow if you hammer your partner today."

[skitter30]

Where do you want to get with five people playing the game right now? I feel like I have answered that in 351.

It's not that I particularly want to go somewhere so much as I feel like people are being overly cautious of L-2, and that since wagons are being unvoted kinda prematurely imo, the target might not feel pressured to actually respond to them.

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I did read it, I just didn't enjoy it. I'm confused that you think I could be trying to distract from SS vs. Oxy, but also that I'm playing reactively rather than proactively.

Do you think moving on from SS vs. Oxy is pro-town or anti-town?

I guess it's cuz besides for your eth0s vote, you're mostly just responding to people say about/to you, and you just seem super cautious. Idk. I kinda feel like your eth0s vote was a distraction and that you're playing reactively otherwise. I don't know how to explain it better right now. Like it feels like an empty vote that was kinda irrelevant to the current gamestate, and was kinda a pressure vote, and just kinda felt like you were using it to avoid taking a stance. Idk, that vote gives me bad vibes.

I think scionesss/oxy needs to come to some sort of conclusion cuz otherwise I think we're just going to continue to circle-back to it repeatedly if it doesn't get resolved, as is happening right now.

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Oxy - since I have made my post with reasoning on my townlean he has been proving me wrong. If one is scum so is the other imo.

I still don't really understand the connection between scum!oxy and scum!ofrzh.

Why has oxy no longer been acting townie in your opinion?

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I don’t really understand the eth0s votes, is he more likely to make this game a priority if we wagon him? Also are you guys comfortable with policy lynches?

This basically. If he's busy irl I don't really think wagoning him will make him do much. Like I don't think a vote on him will change his behavior so I don't see the point in voting him. I do think that if he thinks he can't participate he ought to replace out.

I don't really find him scummy right now. Lurk-y, yes, but I don't think that inherently AI for him right now; I think it's just a real-life thing.

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"Drixx has no reason to lurk" is too definite.

It's like she knows that Drixx has no reason to lurk because scum lurks and Drixx isn't scum.

On the other hand, "eth0s is inactive in both of his games." f

eels like cornered scum who checked his activity because she's frustrated he isn't here to help.

Again, it could be the opposite. I will say, if Sajj flips scum as I expect her to, her partner is probably in these two. There's also like a 1/100 chance that her partner is Ruru, which is why she might have been overly cautious of that wagon. I don't subscribe to this theory, though. I don't really subscribe to any of these pre-flip.

Idk, both of the bolded feel kinda stretchy/reachy to me; I don't really feel like either of these statements are particularly conclusive tbh.

I am currently enteratining the idea of ruru/scioness, but I'm not putting that much stock in pre-flips cuz I know I if I focus on them too much they can lead me very much astray. I'd rather stick with individual scumminess for today, and work with associatives once we have flips.

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I also called it because I want to swag in post game if I'm right.

I don't really think this post comes from scum.

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Drixx, can you explain the ofrzh scumread? Cuz I really, really don't see it right now.

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I'll do the next page in another post in a bit.

[Oxy]

I don’t really understand the eth0s votes, is he more likely to make this game a priority if we wagon him? Also are you guys comfortable with policy lynches?

I think I missed this question earlier. He posted 23 times in his other game today. I think pressure will result in him posting, him replacing, or him flipping.

[Oxy]

And at some point we may have to lynch someone for lack of activity. Otherwise we're going to sit here for another week waiting for posts that won't come.

[Oxy]

Alternatively, anyone in my town circle could just lead this game to victory and I'll play good soldier. Just don't try to lynch inside the town circle til tomorrow. The time for us to work together is now.

[Assemblerotws]

Vote Count 1.07

Not Voting [3]:

northsidegal, Drixx, pinturicchio

eth0s [2]:

ruru, Oxy

ruru [1]:

skitter30

Scioness Sajj [1]:

eth0s

Oxy [1]:

Scioness Sajj

Drixx [1]:

ofrhz

With

9

alive, it takes

5

to lynch.

Day ends in (expired on 2018-04-03 09:00:00) on

April 3, 2018

.

[Oxy]

Friends, I have just reread ruru because ya'll had me paranoid. She is very likely town this game. Certainly too townie for a D1 lynch.

[ruru]

I am currently enteratining the idea of ruru/scioness, but I'm not putting that much stock in pre-flips cuz I know I if I focus on them too much they can lead me very much astray. I'd rather stick with individual scumminess for today, and work with associatives once we have flips.

This does make more sense to me on why you're sussing me. I still wonder if scum!skitter30 wants town!SS mislynched, but there wasn't enough support, so this would be another reason to want to flip SS on day 2. But that wouldn't really be consistent with your earlier posts where you seemed to indicate that Oxy's case on SS was too weak.

I did read it, I just didn't enjoy it. I'm confused that you think I could be trying to distract from SS vs. Oxy, but also that I'm playing reactively rather than proactively.

Do you think moving on from SS vs. Oxy is pro-town or anti-town?

I guess it's cuz besides for your eth0s vote, you're mostly just responding to people say about/to you, and you just seem super cautious. Idk. I kinda feel like your eth0s vote was a distraction and that you're playing reactively otherwise. I don't know how to explain it better right now. Like it feels like an empty vote that was kinda irrelevant to the current gamestate, and was kinda a pressure vote, and just kinda felt like you were using it to avoid taking a stance. Idk, that vote gives me bad vibes.

I mean the game is hard, I'm not always confident in what I'm doing, I don't know what else to say really

[skitter30]

Why are you trying to control the narrative like that?

Idk if he's exactly trying to control the narrative so much as trying to understand what you're referring to.

Like I'm having a lot of trouble seeing the scum!orfzh -> scum!oxy logic. I think the other way around makes a lot more sense. (Or, at least, scum!oxy make one of {scum!ruru/scum!orgzh} more likely)

Interesting that you want to narrow the options down to a post on the first page or one of a series of posts you made preceding my post.

Also I don't really understand the implication you're making here. Why is this significant?

Also I kinda feel like this post is lacking a vote given how you're accusing ofrzh of 'controlling a narrative' and that he/oxy are giving you 'heebie jeebies'.

Now that I think of it ... why haven't you voted at all yet?

I'm starting to get some similar vibes to that newbie we played, specifically the unsubstantiated accusations that don't really make much sense in context. (ie I'm referencing the HS-posting-style thing there; here I'm referring to you accusing ofrzh of 'controlling a narrative' when I don't really see much evidence of that happening.)

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Okay, team town (Ruru, Ofrhz, Skitter30), I think it would behoove us to coordinate our pressure. My preference for targets would be, in order, Eth0s, Drixx, Sajj, NSG. That's not in order of scumminess, but rather of priority. I would be happy with any of them! Ofrhz seems to prefer drixx. Ruru and I are already on Eth0s.

I still don't really feel town!ruru right now, but I'm kinda interested in pressuring drixx atm. He makes a really, really vague post, fails to explain it, and then accuses ofrzh of 'trying to control the narrative' when he tried to get clarification.

VOTE: Drixx

Let's see where this goes

Plan? I think we should put them at L-1, give them 24 hours to post something that isn't garbage, and then hammer them if they don't. End of day is not really all that far away, and right now I'm worried that we're going to disperse to our own corners and sit on our thumbs.

Idk if I want to commit to hammering someone right now.

That reminds me:

@mod:

v/la Friday - Monday

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Here's something funny: the last time I ate pesto I got intoxicated; this was on February of 2017. I said I would never eat pesto again because I started to feel nauseous everytime I smelled it. Today I ate pesto again, and I got intoxicated yet again... Listen to your body, kids.

Feel better

When you're feeling up to it, I would like to hear more about your eth0s read.

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This does make more sense to me on why you're sussing me. I still wonder if scum!skitter30 wants town!SS mislynched, but there wasn't enough support, so this would be another reason to want to flip SS on day 2. But that wouldn't really be consistent with your earlier posts where you seemed to indicate that Oxy's case on SS was too weak.

Yeah, specifically I was wondering if scum!ruru might be trying to avoid the 1v1 cuz your partner was involved and you didn't really know how to react to it, which is why you voted elsewhere; that was the best explanation I came up with for the bad vibes I had from the vote. But yeah as I wrote the bit that you quoted I realized that this logic is pre-flip based which I know isn't such a good thing for me to base reads on day1. I think a lot of the scummy vibes I got from you was cuz that vote. I don't know if I find you scummy independantly of that; I think that some of the things that I'm reading as scummy (the reactiveness) might be a playstyle/personality thing. At the same time, I don't really find you townie either though; I think I need to spend some more time coming to sort you.

I definitely do want to note that if one of {scioness/oxy} flip scum, your eth0s vote was partner-indicative to me.

I don't think that ruru/eth0s is a thing. (I was thinking this earlier at some point but I don't remember if I noted it)

I mean the game is hard, I'm not always confident in what I'm doing, I don't know what else to say really

This kinda pefectly sums up how I feel about mafia in general lol. And somehow I still enjoy it

[Oxy]

ruru + eth0s is not a thing. I also saw this earlier.

VOTE: Drixx Ruru, please join us.

[Oxy]

no wait, it was scionness + ruru i think i noted earlier was very unlikely, not eth0s + ruru. either way, deal with associations later I agreeeeeeeeee

[Oxy]

Idk if I want to commit to hammering someone right now.

I feel like if I were scum this game, and neither my partner nor I were in {Oxy, Ofhrz, Ruru, Skitter30} my game plan would be to stall this day out as long as possible and make town scramble for a good lynch at the deadline. I think the counter play for this is to be just crazy enough to hammer 7 days before the deadline. I think if we're pressuring town!drixx he is experienced enough to find a way to show us town rather than get mislynched for inactivity in his IC game.

[ruru]

VOTE: Drixx