Open 721: Pick Your Poison (Game Over)

[Oxy]

oops, didn't mean to quote that - it is the vote count right before SS replaced.

[skitter30]

I actually hadn't fully thought about the implications for his slot of my previous theory being false until now

Which theory are you talking about?

[ruru]

I had a tinfoil hat theory that I didn't post about but I don't think it makes sense anymore and it's probably not super productive to discuss

[skitter30]

Got it. I thought you were talking about some theory that you had posted that I didn't remember.

Kinda waiting for draynth to post.

Also I don't think scioness's rep out is AI.

[AP]

I'm in work at the minute will catch up and post when I get home

Let me think.. yeah .. this makes sense. It's certainly faster to post the above than -say- "I'm a <rolename>. Will post after work". After all, it's damn too hard to think of a good fake claim and one needs time to consider all options.

[northsidegal]

Hmm, what was that quote about paraphrasing a role pm vs fabricating a fakeclaim again?

[brassherald]

Votecount 2.3

Draynth(4)

~ AP(11), Oxy(16), Not_Mafia(1), skitter30(13)

UglyDuck(1)

~ ruru(20)


Not Voting (6): Mathdino(16), Draynth(2), Sunshine13(6), UglyDuck(4), northsidegal(14), pinturicchio(12)

With 11 alive it takes 6 to lynch.

Day 2 deadline is in (expired on 2018-05-13 07:00:00)

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Extremely early VC today since I'll be out tonight.

[Mathdino]

if draynth is scum, scum is bussing him

too many townies offwagon

[northsidegal]

if draynth is scum, scum is bussing him

too many townies offwagon

Who would you put in that "scum bussing him" pool?

I want to say more in response to this, give me ~20 minutes

[Mathdino]

i feel pretty lukewarm about answering that

so i await your response

[northsidegal]

if draynth is scum, scum is bussing him

too many townies offwagon

Alright, so i agree with you in the sense that my current view of who scum are is NM, Draynth and then someone else (who i'm probably leaning towards being uglyduck?), and per those reads NM is voting Draynth right now. When you say this i get the implication that you would think there's more than one scum on draynth right now, which i guess i could see but i don't overly see a particular reason to.

Like, Draynth being basically the only wagon is interesting, but in terms of AI-ness i think it's still consistent with lurker scum who are unable to actually influence the game state.

i guess i thought i had more to say than i actually do.

[Sunshine13]

Other scum on the wagon could be Oxy or skitter, but skitter moves from NM to Draynth, so unless she’s bussing both her teammates...

I mean I alluded earlier about my early-D2-overconfidence scum team, which I will reveal as NM, NSG, and Oxy. I’m not confident on Oxy though.

[UglyDuck]

uglyduck are you playing dumb or what
you were vigged in this game that just ended last week
how do you not remember this

and glad you could come around, ruru

Oh yeah. Was remembering it as if I was NKd mb. Tbf look at the other game I was in at the time - I was more focused there.

But yes - looked it up - I stand corrected. I was vigged.

Now I still don't see why me being vigged as town would have an effect on me potentially choosing it as skum? I mean if anything wouldn't skum!me want it in the game since it obv worked for skum when the vig shot me in the other game?

Also, I would implore you to not waste your time on this too much. As in the end, my thoughts on which PRs would or would not of been chosen do not actually matter in this game.

[Mathdino]

Also, I would implore you to not waste your time on this too much. As in the end, my thoughts on which PRs would or would not of been chosen do not actually matter in this game.

how the fuck does this not matter

scum has choices pre-game

[skitter30]

Other scum on the wagon could be Oxy or skitter, but skitter moves from NM to Draynth, so unless she’s bussing both her teammates...

I mean I alluded earlier about my early-D2-overconfidence scum team, which I will reveal as NM, NSG, and Oxy. I’m not confident on Oxy though.

I don't really think that me voting NM or wanting a pl on him is AI is a reason to not-teamread me with him tbh.

If you think the team's NM/NSG/Oxy, what do you think is going on wrt Draynth?

[Sunshine13]

Well that’s what I mean, Draynth isn’t exactly being town’s best friend right now and I can see why people want him lynched (D1 I could too but I like informative lynches on D1, not lurker policy lynches) he claimed a PR and that he’s not a cop, leaving tracker, vig and jk as the only ones he can choose from. Why he said he wasn’t a cop without saying what he was, though, I’m not sure.

Won’t go into the ins and outs of what he can claim and why, but I’m scum-reading Oxy for personality reasons and I’m aware I could be wrong. Draynth would be be third pick there otherwise.

Also finding it difficult to parse that first paragraph, if you could go over it one more time I’d appreciate that. Long day today, my brain is a bit fried.

[skitter30]

Assuming that tw was the scum kill (ie and not a vig shot that interacted weirdly with the nk and/or theoretical jk), I don't think oxy is scum. A tw kill last night indicates either that scum were jk-hunting, or that they wanted to give the appearance that they were jk hunting, and oxy was hard-reading tw as vt.

The thing with draynth is that like, he could have just claimed when he popped in. At this point it kinda looks like he's being a bit evasive tbh since he knows we want him to claim.

I've indicated I wanted to pl NM in the last three games I've played with him; I was town in all three, and math and tw and nsg I think saw me trying to do that at least once apiece. I imagine that if I were scum here I'd do the same thing, irregardless of what NM's alignment is. So I'm saying that me throwing a vote on him isn't a reason to rule out him/me. (Also I don't think that qualifies as bussing)

[pinturicchio]

@skitter Oxy was hard-reading tw as scum, so don't know what are you talking about

[skitter30]

TW was one of the ones who basically claimed VT, tho. I'm not sure how likely it was to be picked up, tho. Even though I quoted it multiple times.

Although tbf I couldn't find where he had quoted it.

I *think* he was alluding to tw as one of those four people here:

and I'm not one of the, count em, 4 people who have inadvertently claimed VT this game

[pinturicchio]

Someone "claiming" VT =/= Oxy hard-reading that someone as VT. Oxy was scumreading the worst, period. Draynth could be VT "claiming" PR and scum didn't buy it.

[skitter30]

I'm saying that tw's vt claim wasn't obvious (at least, it wasn't to me), and it would be weird for scum!oxy to have noticed that and then kill tw when it looks like scum were pr-hunting.

Like it's weird to kill outside of the ic. To me, that implies scum were jk-hunting (or wanting to give the appearance thereof). If you're tracking the people who claimed vt, it's really weird to kill one of them in that scenario imo.

[UglyDuck]

Also, I would implore you to not waste your time on this too much. As in the end, my thoughts on which PRs would or would not of been chosen do not actually matter in this game.

how the fuck does this not matter

scum has choices pre-game

That was me subtly fucking telling you i wasn’t apart of that pre game choice.

[northsidegal]

do you need to be subtle when you're telling someone that you're town

[Mathdino]

uglyduck you do realise that we can gain information by figuring out what different people would choose as scum

[Mathdino]

has everyone just been completely checked out of this game or what