Open 721: Pick Your Poison (Game Over)

[Oxy]

god I keep losing ruru (town) and NM (not town)

so not quite over

[Oxy]

huh. I had sunshine pegged as a pr

Why didn't you kill him last night then?

because I am VT boyo

[skitter30]

Not really, cuz I kept forgetting to do one.

-> I realized that one of the reasons I'm scumreading math is not necessarily valid in this specific scenario, so my scumread on him has weakened, but still exists. (I'm not elaborating on this bit right now though)

This was me remembering you tend to scumread PRs. I thought your read on me was bad and I realized it may have been cuz of that.

Also ruru kept on going on about why I didn't want to dictate the vigshot, and it's cuz if there was a vig and we chose scum, it would have basically negated my ability to get anything useful cuz scum if they were smart would have just had the vig-ee do the kill and tracking someone who I knew would get vigshot would be kinda silly.

I was trying to find PR's yesterday to make the pool of people who could perform the nk smaller, but apparently I was bad at it this game. I thought AP may have been one but once you were IC and I thought draynth was a PR he couldn't have been.

[Oxy]

VOTE: UNVOTE

[Mathdino]

that's good enough for me
at least it's approximately equal enough to draynth's breadcrumb that it doesn't outright confirm you

okay so N_M playing his scum meta, if we assume draynth and N_M are scum together, let's find associations

[skitter30]

I think it's just ud tbh

[pinturicchio]

Well Math, if you want to lynch scumpartners, quoting what a great player said on his first post on D2:

Can we lynch UglyDuck now, pretty please?

[Oxy]

Lynch preference - draynth withheld until whenever it's mechanically correct
UglyDuck -> NM/Sunshine -> AP

[pinturicchio]

Sup cunts etc.

Welcome NM, you town?

Sup

Nope, not this time

VOTE: Draynth

Dino how the hell can you say that Not_Mafia is playing his scumgame if he has posted only this on the entire game.

I mean if you want to say that Scioness was scummy ok, but come on.

[skitter30]

VOTE: uglyduck

[Mathdino]

people think not_mafia is unreadable

he is not unreadable

this is not his towngame

[Mathdino]

to be clear, claiming scum, posting a GIF, and posting a naked vote before going totally inactive

are all red flags for him

individually it's just his playstyle but all put together without any other signs that he's town is a red flag

[skitter30]

Tbh the only way the tw kill makes sense to me is if scum knew that the other pr was jk (or that they wanted to give that appearnace), so I started looking for people who would pick jk/tracker/ic, and the pool of people who might do that is pretty small. (and like you need three of them to be scum together too)

So that isn't really valid anymore, but that means we're looking for people who kill vt!tw last night over ic!math in the absence of a jk, which means I guess that they thought tw's reads were more threatening than math's?

I'm basically looking for people who thought that may have been a good idea, or who weren't engaged enough to care otherwise. We'd need like three such people to be scum together, and there's only so many combos of people that work together.

[Oxy]

I'm starting to think TW was killed for the lulz, or with the roll of dice.

Or maybe because there could only be one duck. It's not feeling like strategy, though.

[skitter30]

Or it might literally just be for the WIFOM, but again, I think that there's only so many people who do that in that gamestate, and we'd need 3 of them to be scum together.

[northsidegal]

i'm glad we can finally kill draynth

[northsidegal]

i hope it's draynth/NM/uglyduck so that i was right

maybe it's not uglyduck though, if i'm wrong on one i think it'd be him

[pinturicchio]

ugh. gross kill.

Finding his reads in his ISO is not fun - I stopped. If someone else wants to scrape those up, that would be cool.

Not going to have much time for this until late tonight,

but on first glance, {UD, Skitter, NM, NSG} looks like a good lynch pool

Or maybe because the scumteam thought he was a PR but then had to say it was a bad kill because it was a softclaimed VT

[Mathdino]

i mean like i said, the last time i was an innocent child i pegged the entire scumteam on D1 and scum left me alive to try to dent my confidence

TW could've just been killed for activity. he's a fairly respected player. and if draynth was planning on keeping a JK claim, he would've had to leave me alive or risk getting speedlynched today.

i'm feelin like
Not_Mafia --> UglyDuck --> Sunshine --> Oxy
and then draynth when appropriate

also it occurs to me that if pintu is town, draynth is just going to perform the nightkill every night anyway since it's not like he can be MORE confscum to skitter than he already is

[northsidegal]

why are people saying that we don't lynch draynth today?

[pinturicchio]

i hope it's draynth/NM/uglyduck so that i was right

maybe it's not uglyduck though, if i'm wrong on one i think it'd be him

You were scumreading me too!! Second game you're wrong about me, now you have to tell me that wonderful metaread you have on me! It's a siterule, I read it somewhere

[Mathdino]

NKA on 3 person teams is bad

usually it only takes one person sending in the nightkill or doing the pre-game setup and 2 people just going along with it

we only need 1 scum that would perform the nightkill honestly

[Oxy]

I obv towned D1. I'm not doing another week of defense. It was gross because I had just done a week of being at L-2, and my first reaction was that it was setting me up for more of the same.

[Oxy]

ebwop: I tried* (lol) to obv town

[Mathdino]

hey skitz why not track draynth if you were hunting for PRs?